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message 1551: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Ah, NO!


message 1552: by Melissa (new)

Melissa Teenager's are an entirely new kind of fun!

My son has been a very interesting teen, but I do dread my 10 year old daughter becoming a teen.


message 1553: by Sandra (new)

Sandra Hoover (sandrahoover) | 499 comments I think during that time, my son disappeared into his room finally emerging a few years later.


message 1554: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments I already know I'm gonna need lots and lots of prayer!


message 1555: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Imagine yourself in a room of twenty plus of them.


message 1556: by Sandra (new)

Sandra Hoover (sandrahoover) | 499 comments Patience...Choose your battles carefully. Some things aren't worth the argument, some things are.


message 1557: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Oh, I learned that long ago lol Patience I have plenty of.


message 1558: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Patience? what's that? lol


message 1559: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Well, some people consider it a virtue.

The dictionary says patience is "The capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset."

I can't remember the last time I was really upset by a student, or was really angry with them. I MUST be patient lol But that doesn't mean I don't get tired out by them. Or that they don't give me headaches ;)


message 1560: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments We did foster care for a while an I had teenage girls. They came with a lot of baggage so it was a chore to stay patient.


message 1561: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Oh yeah. Plus, kids are different at school than they are at home. It's a whole different kind of relationship. It's always interesting to see how they change from teacher to teacher too.


message 1562: by Sandra (new)

Sandra Hoover (sandrahoover) | 499 comments Kids are a challenge, always...so are spouses and pets! But ALL of them are worth the effort it takes to nurture and guide them in the right direction. Then...ultimately, the choice is theirs.


message 1563: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Agreed. They are very worth the time and effort.


message 1564: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments I know I must let her make her own choices but I don't wanna! WAAHHHH! My baby is growing up **sob**


message 1565: by Sandra (new)

Sandra Hoover (sandrahoover) | 499 comments That's where you pick & choose your battles, Pamela. You do have to let her make her own choices...it's part of growing up. You just gently nudge/guide her - Unless it's a hard limit for you...then you draw the line! If you tell her everything to do, she'll resent you for it. I believe teenagers (and kids of all ages) want & need to know what the limits, expectations, and boundaries are and that you love them enough to enforce them. Sometimes they'll hate you but most of the time they'll love you for it. Parenting is one of life's greatest challenges and rewards!


message 1566: by Sunny☼ (last edited May 25, 2013 09:09AM) (new)

Sunny☼ (sunny2) | 643 comments Love that age and hate that age...Their view of the world changes daily and it is so interesting to see it through their eyes. Their observations always shatter your preconceptions..

Mine, for some reason developed a very stubborn streak which was the beginning of wing testing..It had to be broken for their own good a painful but necessary step.


message 1567: by Sandra (new)

Sandra Hoover (sandrahoover) | 499 comments So true, Sunny. My son pushed me almost daily during that time but he never went to bed without telling me (and I him) that he loved me. Limits - pushing, bending, standing strong - that's what it's all about. You just have to "be" there for them and let them know it. They won't always like you but they'll always love you for it.


message 1568: by Abigail (new)

Abigail Sharpe (abigailsharpe) | 2010 comments Sometimes my son stomps off because I'm SO UNFAIR but comes out at bedtime and asks to cuddle with me. <3


message 1569: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments LOL they're very forgiving. You poor parents. I hate watching my students grow up in some ways, so I get you to a certain degree. Here's the thing though. I'm a child without children of my own. My parents still see me as a baby (how they do this when I'm 32 I'll never understand until I'm parent myself) and I think the most frustrating thing from a child's point of view is that we need to be own person, and feeling that a parent doesn't accept who that person is, or is disappointed in some way is really heart breaking. And that feeling can start young. Parents are our safe haven. Let them test the waters a little, let them know you're a life line without tugging constantly at that line. They'll respect you more for it in the end I think. They'll know where to go if they're really hurt or in trouble.


message 1570: by Melissa (new)

Melissa It's not easy Pamela, you've spent all this time keeping them safe and taking care of everything and now you're supposed to give them freedom to grow? Kind of a contradiction to what your used to I know. It took a while for my son and I to find the right balance, and we are still working on it and probably always will be. He's my firstborn and will always be MY baby boy.


message 1571: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments My biggest problem is that she thinks she is already an adult and needs NO guidance from us adults at all. And its not always her I don't trust. There are a lot of sick people out there in the world. Maybe I'm too protective but the thought of her getting out there and driving and dating and all that terrifies me.


message 1572: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Well, every teenager thinks they know EVERYTHING. That's pretty normal I think. I think maybe you have to be like an elastic--stretch a little at times, then snap back at others. Driving isn't too a huge deal I don't think. As long as there are boundaries with the car for her, and rules for her to follow when others are driving. Like, absolutely NO driving with anyone that is impaired. Or might be impaired. Snap the rubber band on that one.

Dating...parents always freak out about dating. My parents made up this rule where I wasn't allowed to date till I was 16. So stupid. I had a boyfriend when I was 15. You think they'd have wanted to know? All that rule did was make me lie. Not that we dated for long, anyway. But the thing is, I dated a guy I didn't like for a bit simply because I wasn't allowed to. If I'd been allowed to date, I probably would have pointed out the curve for him first thing cuz he was a skeeve. Now, my sister in law's parents were smarter. When their 15 old daughter had a boyfriend, they were really uncomfortable. But they didn't want to her to sneak around so they made her introduce him to them and that way they at least who he was, something about his family, etc. She's married to him now, with two kids.

Act cool. Even if you don't feel it. Ask yourself the question, what would I have wanted when I was that age? Put yourself in her shoes. And don't be too hard on yourself, it's your job to want to keep her safe.


message 1573: by Sandra (new)

Sandra Hoover (sandrahoover) | 499 comments Another thing I made sure of was that I knew who my son's friends were. I opened our home to all of them and gave them their space when they came over. If they feel comfortable at your home, they'll spend a lot more time there and then...in turn, you know what your child is doing and who he/she is doing it with! Yeah, it costs a few snacks or dinner once in awhile, but it is so worth it.


message 1574: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Sounds smart to me.


message 1575: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments Yes, smart but I'm in a rural area and not easy for her friends to visit. I do allow her to have friends overnight and try to let her have a friend over when we do certain things. I'll even go get her friends and take them to the movies occasionally.


message 1576: by Lisa Kay, Tinker Bell (new)

Lisa Kay (lisakayalicemaria) | 21897 comments Pamela(AllHoney) wrote: "My biggest problem is that she thinks she is already an adult and needs NO guidance from us adults at all."

I remember feeling that way as a teen. It is part of the job requirement. ☺


message 1577: by Sandra (new)

Sandra Hoover (sandrahoover) | 499 comments It sounds like you are doing everything right, Pamela. Relax and enjoy the ride...it is so worth it. And, although it doesn't feel like it at the time, it is over so bloomin' fast. You turn around and boom...they are graduating high school!


message 1578: by Lisa Kay, Tinker Bell (new)

Lisa Kay (lisakayalicemaria) | 21897 comments Giulia~Bubbles wrote: "My parents made up this rule where I wasn't allowed to date till I was 16. So stupid."

My parents wouldn't let me date until I was 16, either. I wasn't much on lying, but man-oh-man could I get around things. I just went to the my church and joined in the activities there with the youth group. Let me tell you, some of those young men did NOT wear halos.


message 1579: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments I first date was when I was 18 and getting ready to graduate high school. My senior prom. lol


message 1580: by Leslie (new)

Leslie (chibilee02) I don't consider myself a teenager that caused grief for my parents. Even if I wanted to, I was too damn scared of them. They are traditional and very strict. They won't take any crap from a teenager who thinks she knows more than them.

So I went out of my way to stay out of trouble and all that jazz. Actually worked out for me because I didn't have to deal with so much drama like some of my peers.


message 1581: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Leslie, I always followed all my parents rules too. Aside from dating that one guy for a bit, I was also too afraid of breaking the rules. And I thought if I showed them I was level headed and responsible they'd ease up on me. Didn't work. I was never cut any slack, even at prom. To this day my friends comment on how strict my parents were. To be honest, I resent my parents for it because I missed out on a lot of life experience--high school dances, camping for a weekend with friends, house parties, dating, and because it took me a lot longer to learn to make my own decisions, and not ones that I knew my parents would approve of or be happy with. I'm 32and I still resent them for how they treated me in high school. They're great parents, the best in a lot of ways, but I do wish they hadn't been so terrified of the world and had let me live a little.


message 1582: by Pamela(AllHoney), Fairy Godmother (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) (pamelap) | 14528 comments I was a reader so when I was a teen I really did stay out of trouble. But my darling daughter is nothing like me. She will make a great lawyer someday. She can argue with a rock.


message 1583: by Lisa Kay, Tinker Bell (new)

Lisa Kay (lisakayalicemaria) | 21897 comments I was a "good girl." Of course, my mother would disagree with about two or three of those teenage years. And she, unfortunately, was going through menopause at the time. Not a good combination. My poor, suffering father! LOL! Two hormonal women.


message 1584: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Do tell Lisa Kay, what naughty things did you do? ;)


message 1585: by Leslie (new)

Leslie (chibilee02) Giulia you and I should get together to expound on the resentment we harbor for our loving, but strict parents. Lol You basically summarized my teen years, hell even my early 20s lol

They were so worried about me being like the other girls here, they monitored what I did and wore. And they always would give the reason that this isn't like how it is back in the Philippines when they grew up. They were always worried about something happening to me. I understand, but their overuse of that reason/excuse just got to me. Had to work hard to keep from rolling my eyes in their presence.


message 1586: by Lisa Kay, Tinker Bell (new)

Lisa Kay (lisakayalicemaria) | 21897 comments My lips, unlike they were then, are sealed.


message 1587: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Leslie wrote: "Giulia you and I should get together to expound on the resentment we harbor for our loving, but strict parents. Lol You basically summarized my teen years, hell even my early 20s lol

They were so ..."


We should get together as it continued into my 20s as well! Same reason too, in Italy nice girls didn't behave like this blah blah blah.


message 1588: by Sunny☼ (new)

Sunny☼ (sunny2) | 643 comments My parents never gave me rules for dating. On my 13th birthday my dad installed a huge floodlight that shone on the driveway near the entrance door.

I didn't think a thing about it for a almost a year, then I understood. My parents told me that they would always wait up for me when I was out because they loved me and worried about my safety.

As soon as the date drove into the driveway that floodlight went on. That told me that my parents were indeed up and waiting and secondly, if he kissed me goodnight they would see.

This went on for years and years until once or twice that light did not go on. This told me that my parents approved the time I was getting back and they approved the boy I was with...silent communication works best sometimes.


message 1589: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments I agree sunny. They were keeping on eye on you, but not smothering you with rules and expectations. And I think it shows that they willing to trust in your judgement. I wish my parents had demonstrated that.


message 1590: by Melissa (new)

Melissa My parents were pretty laid back, we had rules but we were allowed to spread our wings a bit. I think because we did have a bit more leniency that we weren't wild and crazy like some of our friends who's parents were stricter.


message 1591: by Abigail (new)

Abigail Sharpe (abigailsharpe) | 2010 comments I tried being honest with my parents, but when that didn't work...


message 1592: by Leslie (new)

Leslie (chibilee02) You were lucky Sunny. Like Giulia said they looked out for you, but didn't smother you. They actually showed some trust in you.

Any of your parents used the oldie, but goodie line: I trust you, it's them I don't trust....or some variation of it?


message 1593: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments Mine did, all the time. Still upsets me to think about it. I didn't feel trusted at all. I felt like I had no say in anything at all. That what I wanted didn't matter. It was just small stuff. My mother wouldn't let me go to my friend's sweet sixteen because it was at Kelsey's, a restaurant that served alcohol. I still think that was over the top.


message 1594: by Leslie (new)

Leslie (chibilee02) Yea lol They were always worried something was going to happen. But fortunately they did back off a little come my senior year. And it was definitely bad before I hit 8th grade. Before then, nada!

Ok maybe I should stop venting about my folks here. Lol


message 1595: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments My parents remained strict all throughout high school. I just hope if I have kids I can find a happy balance of watching out for them without making them feeling like they aren't trusted or smothered.


message 1596: by Leslie (new)

Leslie (chibilee02) Lol funny, but one of the reasons I don't want to have kids is because I'm afraid that I'll become my parents. And I don't want to do that to them.


message 1597: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments LMBO

No, I think what we went through might make us better listeners for our kids. Part my frustration was that my mom never explained her reasoning outside of that we don't trust other people thing. She came up with silly excuses for me not to do things. Like the restaurant serving liquor. I never bought that reasoning lol I think if she had a legitimate reason, then maybe now I wouldn't resent some of that stuff still. I'm not saying parents have to explain all their reasons and thinking to their kids. Sometimes no is just no. But sometimes communication might be useful. Even that silent communication like sunny's parents. Again, happy balance.


message 1598: by Leslie (new)

Leslie (chibilee02) Maybe, maybe not. Either way, I'm in no hurry to pop a kid out anytime soon. Lol


message 1599: by Giulia (new)

Giulia | 1756 comments LOL You have no idea how much that made me laugh.


message 1600: by Leslie (new)

Leslie (chibilee02) Lol glad it made you laugh ^_^


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