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Grammatical Errors
I admit I loved Twilight when I read it, including the other 2 books after. Breaking Dawn was a train wreck.If the grammar and sentene structure, including the flow is cringeworthy, how is this series loved my millions? This baffles me.
And I'd assume Meyer's editor and a copy editor would have caught these mistakes. What gives?
Admitted, "twilight" is not about the act of sex, but subtext was quickly becoming text with Meyer. She wrote after all a romance novel.Gerd wrote: "However, not sure about "twilight" but he does treat her like a thing in the later books."
Kristen wrote: "How?"
For example when he confronts Jacob and tells him, over Bella’s head, to "never bring her home damaged again!"
I found Meyer's "heroes" to be too much shaped after typical alpha-males to honestly care for anybody besides themselves and thus to be even remotely likeable. But that's a preference thing, given.
I enjoyed reading the first book a lot, its characters are just far from what I would like to see my daughter taking on as role models. And personally I thought that the sequels dragged down "twilight" considerably.
Katie(babs) wrote: "If the grammar and sentence structure, including the flow is cringe worthy, how is this series loved my millions? This baffles me...."
Because most people don't give that much on grammar and sentence structure, they just look for a bit of diversion. Good storytelling always wins in the end over good writing.
And if we went with such a fine comb over every book, more would fail the test. It’s only twilight’s huge popularity that has people suddenly in arms over it.
It is a long time since I read the book, so I can't remember what grammatical errors it had. However, it is my experience that most books have some errors. Much as they irritate me, I have learned to overlook them. If I enjoy the plot, the errors in grammar seem insignificant.
Gerd wrote: "Admitted, "twilight" is not about the act of sex, but subtext was quickly becoming text with Meyer. She wrote after all a romance novel."I really think that's all in the interpretation. Because I didn't get that from it at all.
Yes, it's a romance, but a very tame one. And sure, that is the obvious place that most romances are heading. But that doesn't mean all romantic relationships are all about sex.
But remember you're talking about teenagers, too. (yes, i know technically Edward is 110, but he's frozen as a teenager), and teenagers think about sex and get carried away sometimes.
I thought the message was definitely not all about sex.
And if you're talking about role models for kids, generally they're not going to look at the deeper meaning in something like this. They're going to see what the characters did. Which was abstain until marriage.
Oh, I agree, I don't think Bella is an ideal role model for teenage girls. Her behavior was self destructive. After Edward told her she shouldn't be with him b/c he could kill her just by accident, she says she doesn't care.
So, yeah, not a great role model. But I don't think she was supposed to be.
"For example when he confronts Jacob and tells him, over Bella’s head, to "never bring her home damaged again!"
He wasn't treating her like a thing. He was already scared to death that she was so fragile and he already hated the idea of her being around Jacob b/c he was a young werewolf and unstable. He freaked out. He was probably exercising alot of self control just not killing him right there.
So, sure, maybe he sounded pretty possessive at times, but it wasn't him just saying 'don't you damage my property', he was horrified that she was hurt and he was taking out his anger on Jacob.
I liked New Moon and Eclipse, but not Breaking Dawn so much. It could have been much better. Also I feel like it was a big let down after the others and all the hype about how great it should have been.
lolx seriously the book was good but seriously she asked for it and this book has become all about sex now
hahaha it amuses me greatly to read other peoples arguments. but seriously, whether it was good or bad, thats just an opinion. if you didn't like it, you didn't like it. your allowed to disagree. but that doesn't mean the people who do like it are wrong. they can enjoy it if they like. sure, alot of people go a bit far, but their having fun with it. personally, i liked most of it. their were parts that i didn't care for but it was fairly evened out. wasn't this supposed to be about particular errors in her writing anyways? bit off topic aren't we?
its a good book thats my opinion
N3v3rsl3epanim0re wrote: "lolx seriously the book was good but seriously she asked for it and this book has become all about sex now"yeah to tell the truth it was alright i mean i have read a lot of books thatt have been centered around vampires a lot better than her but it was something i got pretty hooked on ... and tree it s really fun lolx
N3v3rsl3epanim0re wrote: "lolx seriously the book was good but seriously she asked for it and this book has become all about sex now"yea tooootttllay off topic what made you think we would stay on topic
Do these things ever stay on topic??? lol
Amina wrote: "I agree with Antoinette. Meyer raped the poor thesaurus, neglected the dictionary, and failed to perform the task at hand: a productive plot. Obviously, it was the pleasantries that kept adolescent..."I do agree that this novel contained quite a bit of grammatical errors. However, my problem is the way they (referring to whoever made the article) ripped her apart. It just felt a little unnecessary to me.
sure people keep on the much this book gets critics and causes polemics the more popular will be. I love it!
People she went to collage!!! for english.
I know, isn't that almost sad?
oh wow nd yeah this is just how these things work they will never stay on topic because eventually the topic dies because it will suck
Ok, maybe her grammar is bad, but who cares. I have a learning disability and my dream is to be an author someday. I wouldn't like people to talk bad about me just because of my grammar. The point is that she had and idea and she went with it. Many people read the book she has to be doing something good. If not why the hell did they make a movie about her books. Again sorry about my spelling and grammar. I just didnt understand grammar when I was a child. =(
i feel ya sister. Some ppl dont like my wrk (Its posted on my profile) because it has a ton of errors.
Okay, sometimes I think that some people complain about some things because they're angry, or maybe even a little jealous because someone else made millions off of something that they don't like.Like several people in this thread have said. You find grammatical errors in all kinds of books, childrens, adult, young readers, heck, I bet there's even errors in braile books!! Also, sometimes writers DO use bad grammar on purpose. Some people, it seems to be highly educated people, don't like that. But it's true. We are all human, authors, editors, publishers, teachers, actors, athelets, politicians, EVERYONE!!!!!
Let he who has not sinned, cast the first stone.
Do you ALWAYS write, talk, or even think in correct grammar. I know I don't.
I don't read books, looking for perfection. I read them to be entertained.
WARNINGOh NO! I didn't see that that PAUL guy is involved in this one too. Watch out guys, he really hates Twilight and anyone who loves it. I think he seeks out these feeds to intentionally hurt people. I know he has me. He will use foul language, and will never think you are right. Paul, I think that you need some help if all that you have to do is pick on people who love Twilight.
Prediction: He will respond to my comment in some way that will belittle me. And I will never post on this feed again. Whatever I did to you Paul, I am sorry.
Մենք մենակ wrote: "I don't think there were that many grammatical errors, in fact the biggest problem I had with the books was how it flowed. Honestly, it didn't really have any kind of flow, this book was really cho..."that was harsh! Lol. I don't agree with your notion that the story didn't have flow even though the part of teenagers wanting something to full the void is true. In all I think that it might not be everyone cup of tea but that you should also give credit where it is due and ask yourself if you'd have been able to come up with something better. *think about it*
Gerchia wrote: "Մենք մենակ wrote: "I don't think there were that many grammatical errors, in fact the biggest problem I had with the books was how it flowed. Honestly, it didn't really have any kind of flow, this ..."lol i agree. so many people think twilight was bad but can they write better then stephanie? i dont think so!
Ohh, i know. It didn't really flow. Which really annoyed me. But it did have heaps of grammatical errors, and they drove me absouletely insane. All in all the book was pretty bad, though i'm not a twilight fan so my opinion is probaly biased. I guess not every book can be completely awesome.
Gerchia wrote: "Մենք մենակ wrote: "I don't think there were that many grammatical errors, in fact the biggest problem I had with the books was how it flowed. Honestly, it didn't really have any kind of flow, this ..."I would like to tell you I did think about what you said.
Honestly though I am not going to be a writer, I plan on doing other things with my life. So when you said could I write anything better ( Maybe if I tried) it didn't matter. Now if I planned on being an author and publishing my books I might wonder, but seeing that I am not I only wonder how she got her book published? As for the sentences not flowing and some words she happened to make up along the way I am sure I could write better then that, simply by having someone other then myself read it. More like five or six people I could trust not one person who's key purpose is to make money. As I said the first book was enjoyable, had a purpose and a good idea to write about. So I am giving credit were it is due. She had a good first book but in my views wrote the others to make more millions of dollars. Which no offense to anyone, didn't show up in the movies.
Tamara wrote: "Gerchia wrote: "Մենք մենակ wrote: "I don't think there were that many grammatical errors, in fact the biggest problem I had with the books was how it flowed. Honestly, it didn't really have any kin..."I am sure there are people out there that can write better then Stephanie. Simply by getting rid of all the errors and making their sentences flow. That alone would be an improvement right? So really every person on here that can do that, is a better writer then Stephanie Meyer. Yourself included.
Whether you want to be a writer or not, you should be able to structure a basic sentence that flows and spell properly. And i guess, maybe everyone can't be perfect. But seriously, how did the book get puplished like that? Wouldn't it have been read and reread to get rid of any mistakes?
I like the books, grammar be damned LOL but for those people who are offended by her bad grammar, my apologies.
CD wrote: "Their are to many errors in book like this sort of.
( :large silly grin: )
This was the best bad grammar I could generate this morning. Yikes, there I go again."
lol. that was great.
( :large silly grin: )
This was the best bad grammar I could generate this morning. Yikes, there I go again."
lol. that was great.
All the people who complain about her and her novel are deeply disturbed. If you really have nothing better to do than complain about you probably have not read then perhaps you should try going outside. It's a magical and mystical world out there, maybe you should go have a look ;)
I find it interesting how the people who love Twilight are so defensive about it when others don't like it.
Shari Blue wrote: "I find it interesting how the people who love Twilight are so defensive about it when others don't like it."I find it funny how vitriolic some people can be about the series whose only complaint is the grammar when in fact the more relevant and legitimate criticism might be the portrayal of female characters in the book. :)
But I still like them.
For the people who do not like criticizing Meyer, this post was about that. You have to expect it. I happened to like her books. I enjoyed the characters and the development of the story. But, she is God awful. Fun but awful and entertaining. It's alright! She succeeded when most of us are still struggling. :)
But she does have editors. She is NOT an Indie writer. She is with one of the big houses. They did not seem to think it mattered. LMAO!
Ruth wrote: "So true!Why does everybody read these books when there are better ones just dying to be read!"Quality being a relative term when it comes to novels, I'll just agree and say, well, maybe those "better" books (<- damn those books that go round feeling so high 'n' mighty about themselves) are not as entertaining to read.
I also agree that the book has many grammatical errors, I think Stephanie Meyer edited the first book herself. Also she has a tendency of overusing adjectives.I agree with Stephen King that Meyer is a poor author.
Kristen wrote: "Hylian Princess wrote: "I find grammatical errors in many books I read; I find typos too. We're all human and it just..."Yep.
Has anyone seen this?
"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uine..."
That is so weird! I didn't even notice the letters were mixed up for the first few words!
Kristen wrote: "Paul wrote: "So, a girl who is emotionally enslaved by a man who puts her at risk at every turn while treating her like a "thing" is wholesome entertainment?"hahaha!
Sorry I found that really fu..."
Who cares. Kids have to grow up sometime. I think parents need to realize that. If a 13 year old reads a book with sex and swear words in it, well they have to learn sometime, and the school system certainly isn't helping them out with ridiculous 'abstinence only' sex ed. Doesn't ANYONE remember being a teenager?! Sex was very important back then!
Claire wrote: "Doesn't ANYONE remember being a teenager?! Sex was very important back then! ..."
We must have had very different childhoods. :D
I find it funny how quickly a discussion can turn ugly and turn into something other than the topic at hand. Everyone has their own opinions and instead of telling someone they are wrong,(which, btw, opinion can't be wrong), why not just voice your own opinion without the hate behind it? And now, in reference to the topic at hand:I believe that what makes a story, isn't the grammar, editing, or cover illustrations, it's the story. As long as it's legible, it's enjoyable. I understand if you are obsessive compulsive with things of that sort, but if you are truly wanting to just read a good story, then, in the end, all that matters is how the author told it. I don't know about everyone else, but I enjoy stories, no matter how cliche', grammatically incorrect, childish, sec-religious, you see them. That's what a book is all about. :)
Wow! Now, I'm definitely not a fan of Stephanie Meyer, but I'm on her side with this. I know a couple of authors and they put hundreds of hours into writing, revising, and editing a book. Even then, they can't spot all of the grammatical errors. They work so hard on their books and stress over the process of writing them and getting them out there. I think you guys should give all authors a break! Geeeesh! Why don't YOU try writing a perfect book with absolutely no grammatical errors. THEN you have every right to criticize!
Very well said, Racheal and Lilliana! I agree with you both!
Liliana wrote: "Wow! Now, I'm definitely not a fan of Stephanie Meyer, but I'm on her side with this. I know a couple of authors and they put hundreds of hours into writing, revising, and editing a book. Even then..."Very well put!
Julia wrote: "No. Meyer uses bad grammar because she doesn't know better and confusing grammatically structure because she thinks is sounds pretty. Also EVERYONE studies English. Get off your high horse. http..."
You must be a teenager. LOL!
Kristen wrote: "Meenakshi wrote: "and I thought we were discussing Meyer's grammatical skills.Maybe I was wrong. "
Yes, but when you criticize someone else for bad grammar, you should use correct grammar yoursel..."
LOVE IT!
Oh yes! I vividly remember the times when I would wonder if it was just me or if it was just really wrong grammar. I guess it's a good sign for us who noticed this but considering that most of the readers of this book series are teenagers, I find it a bit disconcerting. I usually don't have perfect grammar myself but there are millions of copies of this book and several people worked on it.
Amanda wrote: "Joshua wrote: "I think it should be the law to pass fourth grade English before you write a book. Seriously, she has more grammatical errors then my dog would have writing a book. I don't know if s..."I think the main point here is that Stephanie Meyer became famous because her subject matter is trendy. By no means is she a good writer. She's naive, and her plot line is obvious and cliche. The only reason Twilight is as famous as it is, is because every teenage girl goes through an angst-y vampire phase. Meyer uses this to her advantage and creates the mecca of all vampire novels ever. The tragic story of Romeo and Juliet with a vampire twist. Girls in the age group she's targeting dream about having a relationship with a sexy-broody-intelligent vampire. But the fact of the matter is, Bella is the worst character of all time. And Stephanie Meyer is just lucky.
Come on guys. You are just jealous. I would have to admit there are a few errors, but most of America is not interested in grammar. They want a good story, and she delivered to a specific audience.
If you sell 35 million copies of your book, then let's allow the critisim to roll.
what is the point of discussing a character in a book's grammatical errors???? I mean really!!!! Get a life people!!!!!!!!But yeah she does have some grammar issues
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She's virtually down on her knees and begging him for it, how's that _not_ about sex? "
I didn't get that from the book. She thought he was hot, sure, but she wasn't trying to sleep with him right away.
The only time she's "begging him for it" is, as I said before, almost at the end of Eclipse.
And so what? Isn't it pretty common for guys to pressure girls into sex? It was just reversed b/c they were together so long and she felt like there wasn't a point to waiting. And the way he thought went against that idea.
Still, not all about sex. The fact that they wait until they're married says 'abstinence'. So what if they were tempted to(that just meant they're normal)? The important thing is what they actually did.
One small section(about a chapter, actually) in the entire series (and very late in the series) does not justify saying that the whole thing is centered around sex. It's addressed, that's all. It'd be sort of strange if it wasn't.
"However, not sure about "twilight" but he does treat her like a thing in the later books."
How?