Is Mormonism a form of Christianity?

[Lisa]

the full name for the mormon church is the church of jesus christ of ladder day saints . the answer is yes mormonism is a form of christianity because it is christian .

[[deleted user]]

Muslims recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet and savior. They must be Christians as well.

[Lisa]

no muslims are of the jewish faith

[[deleted user]]

So are Christians. Both faiths come from Judaism.

[Benjamin]

Muslims recognize Christ as a prophet of God, not a savior nor divine, they think that they are the Jews are impostors, corrupting the teachings of Abraham and the prophets, so they cannot be considered Jews or Christians. Christians believe that Christ fulfilled the teachings of Judaism, rather than restored them, so Christians aren't Jews either.

[Benjamin]

Christianity isn't as simple as believing what Christ taught. Because many disagree what Christ taught, Muslims think that Christ merely taught monotheism and obedience to Allah, Mormons believe Christ is a sort of demi-god the first being created by the father and predestined savior of the world. If we were to define Christianity as being the teachings of Christ, virtually everyone would be a Christian. Christianity means following the doctrines, traditions, and teachings of the Bible and the church, this includes the Trinity, divinity of Christ, monotheism, the infallibility of the bible etc... Mormonism rejects many of these doctrines, and thus cannot be considered Christian, its as simple as that. Whether Mormons themselves are Christian, however, is a more complicated question.

[[deleted user]]

It has been awhile since I have come on this thread, and I have learned a lot of things since then. I just have to say that fighting Monkey, Paul, Benjamin, etc. will do NOTHING to get them to change their mind, go away, or go away because they've changed their minds.

You people who fight against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints need to know one thing. We don't want to hear it. And you don't need to say it? Why come on here at all? It does no good to try to convince someone to change their mind when you don't have a reason. You just want to cause trouble. You anti-Mormons are all the same: you use our texts, which you do not understand to any degree, and try to point out inconsistencies.

Oh, and Monkey, when you say we're offended, it's not because we don't want to admit we're wrong. It's because we hold it so dear to our hearts, and you don't care. All you're doing is playing the bully on the playground who feels so bad about himself that he doesn't know how to do anything else but tear other people down. If you would read our Book of Mormon with the same mindset we have, that it is the true word of God, you will understand that we aren't just blind believers.

I know, without any doubt, that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the result of the gospel of Jesus Christ being restored on the earth. I know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that He suffered for us to allow us to be cleansed of our sins. And, because we believe that and follow Christ, that makes us Christian. We are dedicated to lives of service. The anti-Mormons posting here are dedicated to lives of destroying.

I have felt the love of God in my life. It is the most wonderful feeling in the world. You can go ahead and argue particulars for all I care, but you cannot convince me that my feelings were false.

I hope you will recognize that your criticism is unwarranted and supported by hatred. Regardless of the truth, we are all happy. Stop trying to take that from us.

[Lisa]

Taylor Mefford

you said that perfectly and i'm proud of what you said i couldn't of said it any better.

[Emily]

Okay, you guys, I read the first 3-4 pages of this thread and nearly died from information overload. I am Mormon so I do take some offensive to some of these comments because just as Taylor said, its very dear and sacred to me, and it makes me very sad to see people defile and disrespect the information on here.

As for the sciencey proof stuff...

You won’t find faith or hope down a telescope
You won’t find heart and soul in the stars
You can break everything down to chemicals
But you can’t explain a love (or faith) like ours
-Science and Faith by The Script (my favorite song as of yesturday) ;)

To you guys who are hating on Mormons (or LDS)... Why? You obviously aren't atually asking to be informed because you've obviously been studying it from the anti-Mormon veiw for quite some time. And you are either entirely atheist (Monkey) or Christian who has been preached at that We are of the devil. (Benjamin) so why are you asking these questions at all? You've already formed your opinions. Let us keep ours. We aren't wanting a fight. We've never done anything AS A CONGREGATION that was ever hurtful to anyone. Any offense is from individuals.
You are only posting to bait us and to try and convince us that we are either insane or completely wrong for believing something. If anything, your arguments are wrong because their trying to strip us of our first ammendment right to religion.

If you're here to argue and pick a fight and haven't even read the BOM (considering this is a reading site) be on your way. Nothing could sway me. I have fallen away from the church before because of people like you and nothing I experienced in that time made me feel the way I do now. I have a testimony of God our Father and of Jesus christ and I KNOW he lives and loves me as his daughter.

You can NOT sway me again, and from experience I know that you should not be trying to sway any of the others. They live beautiful and joy filled lives because of this church. We've done nothing against you as a faith. We just want to live our lives in peace.

[Debbie]

Mormons belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We believe in Jesus Christ and that He is leading His church through our modern day prophet, Thomas S. Monson. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are indeed Christians.

[[deleted user]]

Debbie wrote: "We believe in Jesus Christ and that He is leading His church through our modern day prophet, Thomas S. Monson. "

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." Matthew 7:15

[[deleted user]]

I know Thomas S. Monson does not say or do anything that would make him a "ferocious wolf." There are people out there who come, pretending to be Christ, and then begin to open fire on innocent people. Thomas S. Monson has never done that. Give me one quote where Thomas S. Monson, or any other prophet or apostle, tells us to do such a thing or be un-Christlike in any manner. I think you'll find that we're not as horrible as you may believe.

[Benjamin]

Taylor, Debbie, Lisa and Emily, I am sorry that I obviously offended you. But I am also sorry that you can't distinguish between someone bashing your viewpoint and sincerely disagreeing with you. Not once have I said that Mormonism is stupid or insulted Mormons in any way (At least I don't recall doing so if I did then I sincerely apologize for doing so). All I am pointing out is my position and my reasons for holding my position. You can disagree with me, but don't accuse me of looking for a fight, I am looking to discuss, and your angry tyraids don't do much to help your cause, if you don't want to discuss Mormonism with me, then don't accuse me of being anti-mormon and a hateful person, If you want to ignore the facts thats one thing, but telling me that what I am doing is wrong is quite another. I am only claiming that mormonism is not Christian, so what? Atheists say my beliefs are false all the time, so I listen to their arguments and evaluate them, and most of the time they are pretty weak, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists etc... all claim I am wrong in my beliefs, Mormons do to. Why can't we disagree with each other and openly discuss our thoughts without being accused of hating each other?

[Emily]

Thanks for the apology. And I'm sorry for getting so upset. It just irritates me when people try to tell me what I believe.
But I still cannot stress enough though that I do consider myself a Christian who deeply loves her Savior. I think that's the difference between being Christian and other religions. Accepting Jesus Christ as the Son of God and our Redeemer. I'm okay with if you feel differently, but that is my postition.

[[deleted user]]

I apologize for coming across as offended. Thank you for being civilized, unlike some certain monkeys on this forum.

I am not offended by your arguments. I'm just trying to counter them with information that the reader and writer may not have. Besides, what do you believe? Perhaps if I can understand what your beliefs are, we can find some common ground here. Maybe then can you realize that our beliefs aren't so bad. Deal?

[Isaiah]

Bigcuppa wrote: "Isaiah wrote: "Christianity is believing in Christ. Mormons believe in Christ. Mormons are a type of Christian."

So if I believe that I am Christ, then I'm a christian? I'm believing in christ, w..."
Yes Christ is the ultimate Christian. But it is not too hard to believe in yourself and follow yourself.

[Jeniel]

Thanks for pointing out that it is important to distinguish false prophets Paul. This verse in Matthew teaches us that there will be false prophets or even people who will claim to be the Christ. He is however is not teaching us that prophets are bad, but rather that they need to be distinguished from false prophets. He teaches this in the verse following:
"Ye shall know them by their fruits." and in the next verse "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." (Matthew 7:16&17)
So Christ teaches us that we must individually decide for ourselves. Its a very personal decision. Fruits could be considered the own persons life, but as a prophet even more importantly would be the word of God. Joseph Smith brought forth the Book of Mormon, a translated ancient record of ancient prophets. That fruit has been you could say "delicious" to me. President Monson is our living prophet today and continues to guide God's kingdom on the earth.
Clearly I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints. I have made my decision and it guides my daily life. All others are invited to taste of the fruit and decide for themselves. I've been a nurse for 7 years and am currently in the NICU and studying to be a nurse practitioner. The church has been a strength and God has helped me know what to do in various settings whether it is the hospital, school, or home. When everything around me seems to be going wrong I have found great peace, strength, and answers to prayers.
I could not have done or become who I am without my Savior: Jesus Christ. Honestly, I would have never had the courage to make the decision in the first place or to persist to the end. I turn to Him the ultimate healer as my teacher. I also felt of his healing.
I guess I mention this not to show how great my life is. I mention this to say I have seen the fruit in my own life. By living the teachings of our living Prophet as well as ancient prophets in the Bible and Book of Mormon, I have seen some of the fruit that has blossomed in my own life.
I cannot say if you or anyone will open their heart or mind enough to let the ground the fruit is planted it to actually grow. But there is no question it has blessed my life.

[Dramazing]

"So Spider-man teaches us that we must individually decide for ourselves. Its a very personal decision. Fruits could be considered the own persons life, but as a Superhero even more importantly would be the word of Stan Lee. Stan Lee brought forth the “Amazing Spider Man”, a translated ancient record of ancient Superheros. That fruit has been you could say "delicious" to me. Professor Xavier is our living Superhero today and continues to guide Stan Lee's kingdom on the earth.
Clearly I am a member of the comic book of Peter Parker Spider-man. I have made my decision and it guides my daily life. All others are invited to taste of the fruit and decide for themselves. I've been a nurse for 7 years and am currently in the NICU and studying to be a nurse practitioner. The comic book has been a strength and Stan Lee has helped me know what to do in various settings whether it is the hospital, school, or home. When everything around me seems to be going wrong I have found great peace, strength, and answers to prayers.
I could not have done or become who I am without my Savior: Peter Parker Spider-man. Honestly, I would have never had the courage to make the decision in the first place or to persist to the end. I turn to Him the ultimate healer as my teacher. I also felt of his webs.
I guess I mention this not to show how great my life is. I mention this to say I have seen the fruit in my own life. By living the teachings of our living Superhero as well as ancient Superheros in the Marval Universe and “Amazing Spider Man”, I have seen some of the fruit that has blossomed in my own life.
I cannot say if you or anyone will open their heart or mind enough to let the ground the fruit is planted it to actually grow. But there is no question it has blessed my life."

[Jeniel]

haha kind of funny even though you are totally making fun of me, but its very twisted. I was using the analogy from the Bible. Both the Bible and Book of Mormon are beyond books as they are teachings of God. Given to us by prophets. The Bible has been handed down through the ages with many men sacrificing to preserve what we have. The Book of Mormon was translated by Joseph Smith and he went through sacrifices to make it available for us today. It is only through applying these teachings from God that we can have salvation and eternal life.

[Emily]

Dramazing wrote: ""So Spider-man teaches us that we must individually decide for ourselves. Its a very personal decision. Fruits could be considered the own persons life, but as a Superhero even more importantly wou..."

Way to be mature... that's just disrespectful. At least respect their opinion, don't make it look stupid.

[Dramazing]

Why does the LDS church want to look Christian? A "Christian church" is an apostate church

It has become somewhat of a commonplace to observe that modern Mormonism tends to reduce itself to another Protestant sect, another Christian heresy, while the religion of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Parley and Orson Pratt and other leading early Mormons was a far more radical swerve away from Protestant tradition. (The Annual David P. Gardner Lecture, Kingsbury Hall, University of Utah, November 15, 1990) "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167)

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255).

"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 10:230). "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24);

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:199);

After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (George Q. Cannon , Gospel Truth, p.324).

"the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (President Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196). that era." (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

[Emily]

okay. big bite to swallow. well, have you ever played the game telephone? These are the same principal. After going through so many hands and people with differing opinions, the Church became just a little too twisted and began to support the "eat drink and be marry" sort of idea. Or the idea that you can do what ever you want on earth and God will beat us with a few strips then let us live with him. Which is not accurate.
A lot, meaning most, of your quotes are taken out of context, or out of the journal of discourses. Which I can not stress enough IS NOT church docterine and may be inaccurate. When these quotes talk about the Christian Church in these senses they mean the average church. Not the idea of christianity. The ninteenth century was the period of time when christianity was in it's most confusing and inaccurate time. That is why John Taylor said what he did.

[Pastoryoghurt]

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[Sonora]

I like Alyssa's comment as well. And yes, those belonging to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (that's its official title--being called a "Mormon" means you are calling us by our nickname, which isn't necessarily a bad thing) are Christian. The definition of Christian is one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ. We do believe in Jesus Christ, so yes, we are Christian. We don't worship Joseph Smith--we sustain him as a prophet. We worship Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. And, to those few who might be wondering, trust me--we don't have horns. :P

[Sonora]

I have a question for those following this discussion--why do so many people try to find fault with our religion? I'm not being vehement or demanding in my question, just simply asking.

[Emily]

yeaaah, like I get being curious and all, but why look at the little details that really have nothing to do with our core beliefs or you?

[Tom]

LDS to Christianity is like Christianity to Judaism.

[Emily]

Ok I get the reasoning... except Jewish tradition is that yes, there is a messiah, its just not Jesus. While LDS members do infact accept Jesus christ as our savior and exemplar as well as the Son of God. But yeah, I get the reasoning of, us being very similar in someways but very different in others. Like I'm offened if people say I'm not chirstian but I'm also not comfortable if people say I'm just another form of prodestant.

[Tom]

With each transition, there is "extra value added" that the previous set do not accept as valid.

My understanding is that The Reorganized Church of LDS, in Missouri, is now accepted as a Christian and Protestant denomination after a long period (ten years?) of Reorg C of LDS group discernment, by the National Council of Churches. Don't know what they decided or what moves the group made theologically to become considered Christian, as opposed to other.

I'm not that up on LDS (Salt Lake City) theology or beliefs, but have worked with a number of Mormon folks over the years and have liked all. One was a child psychologist and at the time was president of his (fairly large) congregation. Got to know and respect him a great deal as we were working with a group of children who had been abused and were quite traumatized.

Just to let you know, I'm an ordained United Methodist minister, went to Duke Divinity School in Durham, NC for theological training. On a personal level I tend to be quite accepting of other people's religious experience(s), some United Methodists are not so tolerant.

The issue(s) at each transition point usually revolve(s) around what is understood as revelation (the extra value added) from God/Holy Spirit/The Force. Judaism does not accept the revelation of God through Jesus Christ, just as mainstream Christianity does not accept the revelation of Joseph Smith as being valid revelation. Same issue with Judaism & Christianity in relation to Islam - revelation to humanity by God through Mohammed is not accepted as valid revelation.

Emily: I don't think you should get upset with folks who say that you are not this or that, if your personal faith sustains you. They may be technical correct about the 'not' part, but they may ALSO be so theologically intolerant/tight that they reject your faith as being valid for you.

If your life is filled with forgiveness and compassion, more power to you.

Hope my blurb here was helpful.

[Tiffany]

To answer simply, yes "Mormons" are Christians the actual name of our religion is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So the fact that Jesus Christ is in the official title of our church says that yes we are Christians and DO believe in Christ! In fact we have something called The Articles of Faith there are 13 of them and the first one says "We believe in God the Eternal Father and in his son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost" which I do believe all Christian religions believe that too!

[Emily]

yes, I shouldn't get upset at being called un-christian , but I'm only human and it's something I care about. But thanks for being understanding I guess.

[Tom]

One thing you could do is look at the National Council of Churches' web site and see if there is a list of things Christians believe, AND/OR, do not believe, then compare that list of beliefs to that of the LDS. I'm sort of lazy, so I haven't found it for you. If the two lists are different, then you'll know where the difference of opinions come in.

The reason for looking at the NCC site first is that group would tend to be the most tolerant of divergence as most Protestant churches/denominatioins in the U.S. are members.

[Jennifer]

Truths I have learned
(1) Never tell a Mormon they are not a Christian because well they are technically. If you are a traditional Christian and follow

(i.e. Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodoxy, Church of the East, Protestantism, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Reformed Churches, Presbyterianism, Anabaptists, Brethren, Methodists, Pietists and Holiness Churches, Baptists, Apostolic Churches, Pentecostalism, Charismatics, African Initiated Churches, United and uniting churches, Quakers, Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement, Southcottites, Millerites, British-Israelism, Oneness Pentecostalism, Unitarianism and Universalism, Swedenborgianism, Messianic Judaism / Jewish Christians, Esoteric Christianity and the like).

We think of these off chutes of Christianity as being one and the same when in all honesty they are as different as LDS and FLDS both are to Christianity.

And you do not believe in the LDS then you can learn more at Concerned Christians(http://www.concernedchristians.com/)

I am a Christian who is not really concerned but, I do like to research FLDS (LDS) is kinda boring.

(2) I will say that most people are not familiar with any of the beliefs of LDS or FLDS because they probably haven't cared and have not taken the time to understand it. LDS are typically upper middle class, white people with a good work ethic and large family. They are not in your face they will however send out missionaries who are young men on bicycles. This is a truly American religion as everything they preach of the One True Church and Zion is a rebuilding of Christianity in the new world or good ole US of A.

(3) Polygamy is only practiced by the FLDS and LDS actually turn their nose up at the practice. It is called living by the principal and actually as religions go it is a pretty normal idea.

Religions who practice it;
Pagan, Old School Christian (only in the new testament was it frowned upon), Hindu, Islam, and Judaism.

Not saying all still practice it but, at times it was not a novel concept it was their lifestyle and the norm. Culturally speaking a new religion which LDS and FLDS both are can gain favor by being polygamists. If you have a handful of followers and you wish to marry within your religion it starts to make sense. If you expand on that and want to add as many people to your religion as possible to gain momentum and a large congregation then having many many children starts to make sense and how might a man spread his seed. Marry more than one wife and that way you can have many more babies in a smaller time frame.

I am not an expert that is just my two cents.

[Benjamin]

Tom wrote: "LDS to Christianity is like Christianity to Judaism."

Kind of, Mormonism is a restorationist movement, so technically from Mormonism's perspective Christianity is a heresy, a break away from the truth. In contrast, Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism, of the law. So from Christianities perspective the teachings of Judaism have been added to, the Old Testament law is put into proper perspective.

[Benjamin]

Emily wrote: "Thanks for the apology. And I'm sorry for getting so upset. It just irritates me when people try to tell me what I believe.
But I still cannot stress enough though that I do consider myself a Chri..."

I'm not telling you what you believe, I'm just pointing out what Mormonism has taught traditionally, you may believe something completely different, and just consider yourself Mormon, but notice saying that what I describe is not what Mormonism teaches, is precisely what I am saying about Christianity. Christianity is not merely having a relationship with Jesus Christ, its believing that Jesus is God, that God died in our place, redeemed those who chose to follow Him, is sanctifying those followers, and will glorify them in the life to come. If you believe that, then I don't see why you consider yourself a Mormon.

[Emily]

I do believe that, but the difference is also in the way we live our lives and the standerds we set for ourselves as well as much of our docterine. Example: I don't believe Jesus is God. I believe he is the Son of God as a seperate person.

[[deleted user]]

Emily, I don't mean to make things confusing, but here's a little something you may be interested in.

When the scriptures (mostly the Bible, I think) refer to God speaking, it is almost always Jesus Christ. He is not Heavenly Father, the being we call God, but He is the God they refer to in scripture. Heavenly Father only appears a handful of times, in which he announces His Son. For example, the First Vision. Heavenly Father and Jesus were both present.

I don't mean to make it confusing. I'm sorry if I did do a poor job at explaining what I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around. But there you have it. If you indeed ARE confused, let me know. I'll revise my statements when my migraine from finals ends...

[Emily]

Oh I knew that, but that seemed really confusing to say cause it's like he's the Son of God, but he was God... Yeah. Anyway I understood. But I usually try to put things in the simplest terms. Yes, Jesus is the God of the Old Testiment, but he's not the Father of our spirits.
By the way, sorry you have a migraine. Those and mosquitoes are the most pointless and irritating things ever in my opinion.

[Denise]

Not going to read through the hundred plus comments, so forgive me if I'm repeating information.

Mormons are Christian more closely than Christians are Jewish. It is permissible to call Mormons Christian even though their added book differs significantly. Those who keep Jewish laws, like Jesus did, could possibly consider themselves Jewish. In each case it is Christian with an asterisk.

For comparison, Islam is neither Christian nor Jewish even though it borrows heavily. The reason being, the Koran does not identify Jesus as a savior and argues against the Jews being the chosen people.

On matters of faith/theism/whatever, OT/NT Christians will argue that adding a book excludes the Mormons in much the same way the Jewish view the addition of Jesus to be in error. And of course Muslims think all three are wrong. There can be only one, heads will roll, blood will flow, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

[[deleted user]]

Emily, that's the best way to put it. Thanks.

Denise, what do you mean that the Book of Mormon "differs significantly?" Have you actually read both the Book of Mormon and the Bible. You'll find that they both teach the same thing. That Jesus is the Christ and He came to make it possible for us to return to live with our Heavenly Father again.

That is the whole purpose of both books. If the whole purpose is one and the same, then how do they differ significantly?

[[deleted user]]

Taylor Mefford wrote: "That is the whole purpose of both books. If the whole purpose is one and the same, then how do they differ significantly?"

See, this is why no one takes you seriously. You cannot be 100% truthful when speaking about your faith.

You are talking out of your mouth sideways here, and you know it.

First and foremost, there's that pesky 1st commandment, "thou shalt not have any gods before me" that the BoM clearly violates by Joseph Smith putting himself on the same level as Christ.

You cannot claim to be a Christian, openly break a commandment and deny the fact that you did when your entire religion is based on breaking that said commandment.

Can we please cut the shit now?

[Kaylee]

I can't believe how many people have commented on this! It just proves how much faith there is in the church! I don't know who you are Sara but whatever research you've been doing isn't true or accurate. To get information about what our church truly believes i suggest you visit mormon.org instead of anti mormon literature and sites.

[Denise]

Taylor, sorry you misunderstood my comment. Yes I read both and although the teachings amongst different Christian groups have a common theme and savior, the book of Mormon occurs at a different time, different location, with different characters.

In contrast the Catholic and Protestant Bibles differ in apocrypha but otherwise time, place, and people stay the same. The Jehovah's Witnesses have a translation variation of the Protestant Bible -but then there are several translations and the significance of that is not relevant here.

For simplicity, Mormons have more stories.

As for traditions about heaven, hell, sabbath, etc. it was not my intention to get into that. I'm merely commenting on "Is Mormonism a form of Christianity?" Of which my answer, long-windedly, is yes.

[[deleted user]]

Paul, if you really want to "cut the shit," it might be best for you to leave. Go mow your lawn or something.

The comment about Joseph Smith regarding himself as a god is a joke, right? He did no such thing. Show me one verse that says "Thou shalt worship Joseph Smith." Please, do. When you do, I'll embrace your arguments. Unfortunately, the subtitle for the book is "Another Testament of Jesus Christ." It appears that you misunderstood something somewhere. I apologize for that.

So, we're still worshiping the Godhead, and only the Godhead. I think, with that in mind, we've solved our disagreement. Thanks.

[Cheer]

Not very Christian-like to bash a wonderful religion.

[[deleted user]]

Taylor Mefford wrote: "Paul, if you really want to "cut the shit," it might be best for you to leave.

Clearly your prophets believe other wise...

"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are... [Joseph Smith] reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim—"Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!" But it is true." -Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289-91
George Q. Cannon

"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by Joseph Smith; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him." -1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142, Apostle George Q. Cannon
Orson Hyde

"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again." -Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
Joseph Fielding Smith

"NO SALVATION WITHOUT ACCEPTING JOSEPH SMITH. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth when he said that he stood in the presence of angels sent from the Lord, and obtained keys of authority, and the commandment to organize the Church of Jesus Christ once again on the earth, then this knowledge is of the most vital importance to the entire world. No man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God." - Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

[Emily]

Oh gosh. Notice a lot of this is from the Journal of Discourses. Inaccurate, made and promoted by anti-mormons. I do not worship Joseph Smith. Never have, never will. Can someone please set that in stone? Because I feel like I have to explain that too often.

[Cheer]

Benjamin wrote: "Taylor, Debbie, Lisa and Emily, I am sorry that I obviously offended you. But I am also sorry that you can't distinguish between someone bashing your viewpoint and sincerely disagreeing with you. N..."

...too bad you don't have accurate information.

[Lady Turtles]

Monkey wrote: "Your responses raise several more questions:

I went and asked several people I know, (a Catholic priest, a conservative Jewish person and a co-worker, who has an M.A. in Christian Education from a..."

That's not entirely true about monotheism and Judaism. It started out as a henotheistic religion, not a monotheistic one. That means that they believed in many gods, or accepted that existence of many gods, but worshipped only one god.

[Beth A.]

It doesn't matter,except for clarifying I suppose. He was gone a year ago I think. This thread has been going on sporadically since 2010. Just wanted to argue I think because it got kept up with him in it for a year or so.

I was going to say...seriously? I deleted my post because I didn't notice
Zombish thread finally stopped in feb this year,revived in April.

No I won't answer further question if he's still lurking. You've got enough,it all comes down to testimony really. Fair enough,if you don't have one.