A Court of Thorns and Roses
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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
Nor has Feyre forgotten her bargain with Rhysand, High Lord of the feared Night Court. As Feyre navigates its dark web of politics, passion, and dazzling power.It's dark web of politics, passion, and dazzling power.
I see you in there, "passion." ;)
YES YES YES YES THE BLURB IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(DONT MIND ME)
!!!! I can't even right now!
Is Feyre an overall "light" character with a hint of darkness in her? Because to me, it's almost like Rhysand has light within his darkness while Feyre has darkness within her light which would balance eachother out perfectly! (Also, very Hades and Persephone like C; haha)The second book seems like it's gonna be awesome *_* "dark web of politics, passion, and dazzling power"?! This book needs to come out faster!
and decide how she wishes to shape her futureSo are we thinking who she will decide to be with?!!! This blurb was carefully worded for sure.
Virginia wrote: "and decide how she wishes to shape her futureSo are we thinking who she will decide to be with?!!! This blurb was carefully worded for sure."
It could also mean she decides to choose no one. I'm never wholly satisfied with that kind of ending but it's a possibility.
Ahhh, guys, this summary! So here my thoughts :"Feyre survived Amarantha's clutches to return to the Spring Court--but at a steep cost. Though she now has the powers of the High Fae, her heart remains human, and it can't forget the terrible deeds she performed to save Tamlin's people."
Everyone has already guessed that. Feyre is going to deal with what she did to the two fae.
I just hope it's not going to be like Juliette in Shatter Me, it was a little bit overwhelming.
"Nor has Feyre forgotten her bargain with Rhysand, High Lord of the feared Night Court. As Feyre navigates its dark web of politics, passion, and dazzling power"
Here, I have a couple of theories I want to share :
- "Feared Night Court" : I'm going to love this. I'm expecting danger and mysteries in the Night Court.
- "Its dark web of politics" : That means that there will probably be assassinations, betrayals and a lot of power.
What if Rhys and Azriel are in competition ? I think we will have a real complex relationship between these bothers (If we assume they are brothers)
- "Passion" :
Oh guys, you lost me here.
I'm thinking about forbidden feelings, sexual tension, flying and hell, a cabin in the mountain.
"A greater evil looms--and she might be key to stopping it."
Everyone is obviously thinking about the king of Hybern. But we knew in the first book that he was already a threat. Maybe it's something else we are missing ?
"But only if she can harness her harrowing gifts"
Harrowing means difficult, right ?
I agree with you about the stars theory, it makes sense but why choosing a word such as "Harrowing" ? What if her magic has a price ?
I read an interesting theory last day about power. What if is like Harry Potter when the hat chooses the perfect house for you ? What if the power of Feyre are exclusively belong to the Night Court and therefor she is somehow linked to it land ?
"Heal her fractured soul, and decide how she wishes to shape her future - and the future of a world cleaved in two."
Choice.
I don't know why I have this feeling that the choice she is going to make at the end will break my heart into pieces.
I'm thinking about forbidden feelings, sexual tension, flying and hell, a cabin in the mountain.I am 10000% here for this.
What if is like Harry Potter when the hat chooses the perfect house for you ? What if the power of Feyre are exclusively belong to the Night Court and therefor she is somehow linked to it land ?
I thought this too. And didn't Lucien say something to Rhysand like "you have no power here" when he was in the spring court? But we know Rhysand has SOME power in other courts, as he used his powers in Spring and under the mountain.
What if Feyre - being a High Fae - can't use her powers entirely unless she's in the court the powers are linked to? So she winds up spending more time in the night court, because that's where she can use them at her fullest? I really, really think she's going to have powers linked to the night court.
I also think there's a link to starlight. Way too many references for there not to be. The question is how can she use stars or starlight. Unless it's like Alina in S&B where she manipulates light? Maybe moon light in particular?
What if Feyre can somehow predict the future? That's a good theory. I had actually wondered if Rhysand could see the future, but predicting the future would be something similar to Rhysand's powers of the mind AKA Night Court powers.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "I thought about that too actually. People used the stars for navigation too. So if she is seeing into the future in dreams, for it to be harrowing she must be seeing some super distressing scenes."
Oh yeees, now the word Harrowing maks sense. Oh no, poor thing, maybe she will see the distruction of Prythian and the human world, visions where Lucien Tam and Rhys are dying ..
EDIT : That can also explain how Nesta is coming back in the story. I think her first vision will be about her sisters dying, or their home burning, Feyre will think it's true so she will go check on them and eventually take them with her to protecte them, what do you think ?
Didn't Feyre also have dreams that were a bit like premonitions when she was staying with Tamlin in the beginning? She kept dreaming about Amarantha and Amarantha was asking her her name, and it was weird because Amarantha didn't even know about Feyre's presence at Tamlin's court yet...
The more you guys comment the more I'm thinking Maas might pull what happened in the Shatter Me series. (view spoiler). Just a thought....
@ Virginia - I'm praying that happens!!! It would make sense though! But it honestly all depends on how Tamlin treats her now that the curse is broken
*light bulb*This is from Heir of Fire:
"The Fae had mates: an unbreakable bond, deeper than marriage, that lasted beyond death."
That lasted beyond death.
I'm about 99% sure now that the reason Feyre was "alive" and seeing things through Rhysand at the end was because of the mate bond between them. Since it lasts beyond death.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "I completely missed that in HoF.I find it strange how two different series are kind of giving hints to each other even when there are in to different worlds."
SJM said that they were in the same mega verse so it would be possible to use wyrdkeys to go to Prythian.
WinterRose wrote: "*light bulb*
This is from Heir of Fire:
"The Fae had mates: an unbreakable bond, deeper than marriage, that lasted beyond death."
That lasted beyond death.
I'm about 99% sure now that the reaso..."
Yes! OMG!! YES!!! It makes sense now!!
Also, kinda to the side but what about Lyria O-O Rowan's mate? Was she not truly his mate then?
@ Vinnie. Maas also said on Twitter you can have more than one mate in your lifetime. So Lyria was Rowan's first mate. But that doesn't mean he won't mate again. ;)@ Laura. That's certainly interesting. But because Maas said you can mate again, I don't know if one soul would stay with their mate until they died. But maybe they stay with that person only a little while after death, before fading away.
Laura wrote: "Just a bit more information on the Hades/Persephone myth. The Hades/Persephone/Demeter thing is the center of the story, but I think it's important to point out that while Persephone is in the Un..."
I know Greek mythology just about backwards and forwards and I don't know that particular bit about the Persephone tale. Despoina (Despina is a moon of Neptune) is a daughter of Demeter and Poseidon but as far as I know that story has nothing to do with Persephone's. Because Greece doesn't have much of a winter (being in the Mediterranean) there's not exactly a god or goddess of winter per se. Boreas is the God of the North Wind and is associated with winter. His daughter Khione is the goddess of snow. Ultimately though, Demeter is held responsible for winter since she won't allow crops and other plants to grow while Persephone remains in the Underworld. What was your source for Despoina's story?
@WinterRose - True! Though I wonder if it's possible to have a stronger mate bond depending on who it's with...Oh! Do you guys think it's possible that what shocked Rhys was him being in Feyre and feeling her power? Like what happened in QoS when Aelin felt like a thread/ wind barrelled into her from Rowan, letting her feel what it would be like to be in his body; she felt how much power and strength he had but also, it was odd for it to happen, even Rowan seemed like he had no clue why it happened.
So, what if while Rhys was leaving, he for a brief moment felt her power barrel into him and he felt what it was like, to be in her body (and probably her power) which shocked him cause it wasn't normal, so he fled.
Vinnie wrote: "@WinterRose - True! Though I wonder if it's possible to have a stronger mate bond depending on who it's with...Oh! Do you guys think it's possible that what shocked Rhys was him being in Feyre an..."
I feel like Maas would do something different than what she's already done in her other series. I know they take place in the same megaverse but it seems a bit like lazy writing if she were to have almost the same incident happen in two different series.
I agree Kristin. I wouldn't want identical situations. But I just think that the mate..."rules" for lack of a better term may be similar in both series. So far, they are described similarly. Both series say the bond is stronger than marriage, for example.It's hard to tell because we haven't been in a POV that features a mate bond yet. (view spoiler)
WinterRose wrote: "I agree Kristin. I wouldn't want identical situations. But I just think that the mate..."rules" for lack of a better term may be similar in both series. So far, they are described similarly. Both s..."I get that the rules would be more or less the same but the situation as it was described would have been much too similar between the two series. That's the point I was trying to drive at.
True, the situations would be rather similar, but what if that's to help us glean the "rules" better? We barely have any information on mates, carranam, or blood oaths so wouldn't it make sense if she's giving us hints in ACOTAR to help us understand the rules in ToG and then hints in there to help us further understand ACOTAR? The worlds are different, but I think the core "rules" are similar in essence(?) sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm writing this at 1:27 AM and am majorly sleep deprived DxThis is my own conjured up conspiracy theory. Please take/ read it with a grain of salt.
Yes, I also think she's not going to give away everything about these things at once. If that line about mates lasting beyond death had been in ACOTAR, than the Rhys/Feyre mate theory REALLY would have felt obvious. And maybe Maas wants to give subtle foreshadowing rather than beat us over the head. :P Which I can't blame her. If they are mates, you do want an element of surprise, but enough subtle foreshadowing that you think "oh yeah that makes sense now!" You know?@ Laura. You're right. It doesn't necessarily have to be romantic. I will be curious if they do turn out to be mates as well. Lol they just need to get married and they'll be about as bonded as you can be.
Since carranum is a play on "soul mate" (Maas confirmed that), then I'm also curious if the powers between carranum are similar to that of mates. Can mates share powers? Can they sense when the other is near/injured/etc.
Courtney A.K.A The Book Addict wrote: "I would love Nesta's pov too. The one thing that bothered me in this book is that it wasnt in third person. Most high fantasy's are in third person. I just really want to see other character's povs..."what is the evidence?????????????
I was a bit disappointed in Feyre's and Tamlin's reunion after all she did for him. He first dealt with the Lords before showing his true love for her. I think that its going to be something that will come up between them. That Prythian will come before her. Thats when I think Rhys will come in...... It makes sense him seeing his true Mate that will be interesting. I like them both in different ways.
WinterRose wrote: "Yes, I also think she's not going to give away everything about these things at once. If that line about mates lasting beyond death had been in ACOTAR, than the Rhys/Feyre mate theory REALLY would ..."Exactly!! It's not her writing style to be so blatant.
Sara wrote: "I was a bit disappointed in Feyre's and Tamlin's reunion after all she did for him. He first dealt with the Lords before showing his true love for her. I think that its going to be something that w..."
I was disappointed too!! I thought he was gonna first deal with how she was fairing after the trials first but instead he dealt with the Lords; I was actually not okay with that :( but pragmatically speaking it makes sense but that scene made me feel so bad for her...she went through so much, she's feeling so broken, yet he puts her aside "for the good of all". Couldn't he have assigned all of that to Lucien?
I can see that happening :( he'll probably spend less and less time with her, especially when she needs him, and that'll be the cause of her strengthening her bond with Rhys and drifting away from him.
I think you guys are onto something. Tam has a lot on his plate and you see how often he had to go off to protect this border or that border and take care of some matter on his lands and I think he won't want Feyre going with him to "protect her" and I think this will push her towards Rhys.
Though if Tamlin has a lot to death with, so will Rhys. He's a High Lord too. Any High Lord, King, General, etc. is not going to be able to put their love life first. Not when they have so much responsibility and lives at stake. The issue will be how said leader handles their love life. Are they the type that - as Laura mentioned - wants their partner to be waiting safely at home? Or will they want them on the battle field with them? You look at Aelin and Rowan and if they end up by some chance marrying, you know they would both be battling together. Aelin isn't the "wait at home while my love fights" type of person. I don't think Feyre is either.
Laura, you are spot on. I also think Feyre was fine to play damsel because she knew so little of what was actually going on. Now she knows the stakes, knows the curse, knows about Hybern, and she's going to learn more at the Night Court. She's going to want to be involved; not sit at home and let the guys handle it. And if Rhys involves her and Tamlin doesn't, there's going to be issues.
I am all for rhysannnnddddd and feyre, they are a perfect match and I liked him since the beginning. there is a REALLY high possibility that he was shocked because tey are mates and I don't think he liked that idea BUT I am SURE that they will both come to the conclusion that they MUST be together... hopefully!!
I agree with you WinterRose. I think that Rhys will treat her as more of an equal and not as some girl that needs protection. I think that will drive a wedge between her and Tam
So I'm thinking Feyre will have wings? Maas has a lot of photos of girls with wings that are marked Feyre. She just posted one of a girl that looks like how she describes Feyre with fledgling wings.
^ There's actually one with wings and labeled as "Feyre" so I definitely think you're right. :DI think Rhys will teach her to fly, and read, so it's going to be some really entertaining scenes.
I'm more excited for her to learn how to read! I can imagine Rhys bringing up the second trial where he had to make her choose the right answer.
Kristin wrote: "I'm more excited for her to learn how to read! I can imagine Rhys bringing up the second trial where he had to make her choose the right answer."OR, he can be mocking as usaul and tell her to read some sentences like : "Rhys is the best High Lord Ever" or "Tamlin is annoying". It would be so funnyy
Haha he probably would do something like that.But seriously, WHERE IS THE TITLE?! Why does Sarah's team wait forever to release these things? Six of Crows just came out and we already know the second book's title.
Mirou wrote: "Kristin wrote: "I'm more excited for her to learn how to read! I can imagine Rhys bringing up the second trial where he had to make her choose the right answer."OR, he can be mocking as usaul and..."
I figured he would bring up the trial in a mocking way, so mocking all around.
I definitely think that Tamlin is missing something.Though him and Feyre make a nice couple, I'm sure that Rhys is a more complex and exciting character, and one that would work better with a complex and often dark character like Feyre.
I first read A Court of Thorns and Roses and later the Throne of glass series and I discovered many similarities between both the stories. I am guessing Rys saw those ancient Wyrd symbol on her face the same as Celeana had got during her fight with Cain in throne of glass....I liked Rys more than Tam but I hope there is no love triangle that would kill me..
On a side note : Cover reveal is coming soon and it's gonna be blue *_*
Ahh how do you know? Did Maas mention when exactly? I bet it's dark blue.
Does anyone think we'll get a halloween special treat in the form of a sneak peek or an excerpt? I'm desperate for even a quote.
WinterRose wrote: "Ahh how do you know? Did Maas mention when exactly? I bet it's dark blue."http://carranam.co.vu/post/1309019833...
This is were I found it!! Also!! On the official Tumblr page, they've announced the title and cover reveal to be the 14th!! We've been given hints to guess A court of M_____ and F____!!!
Magic? Mystery? Fear? Fire? I know those are obvious but not much else is coming to mind.
My guess would be a court of moonlight and fires.
Wait a minute,So the cover reveal will be 14th of October?!!! Yes!!! :)
omgggg!! this is sooo exciting.. cant wait!! goo rhysand!
Man I was so sure stars would be in there!The Rose Society comes out Tuesday...cover reveal Wednesday...this is a good week!
Let's see.
Mountains. There are so many pictures of mountains on the board, and we know the Night Court is surrounded by them.
A Court of Mountains and Forests
A Court of Moonlight and Fire
A Court of Monsters and Fear
A Court of Midnight and Fire
A Court of Magic/Madness and Fate
WinterRose wrote: "Man I was so sure stars would be in there!The Rose Society comes out Tuesday...cover reveal Wednesday...this is a good week!
Let's see.
Mountains. There are so many pictures of mountains on the..."
WELL the cover IS blue AND blue is for stars lol
Originally I had wondered if it would be a really dark, navy blue, like the sky at night. Kind of wish it was a little darker, but ah well.
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Feyre survived Amarantha's clutches to return to the Spring Court--but at a steep cost. Though she now has the powers of the High Fae, her heart remains human, and it can't forget the terrible deeds she performed to save Tamlin's people.
Nor has Feyre forgotten her bargain with Rhysand, High Lord of the feared Night Court. As Feyre navigates its dark web of politics, passion, and dazzling power, a greater evil looms--and she might be key to stopping it. But only if she can harness her harrowing gifts, heal her fractured soul, and decide how she wishes to shape her future--and the future of a world cleaved in two."