A Court of Thorns and Roses
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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
Whatever Rhysand realized there at the end, it was shocking enough to him to make him drop his always-smiling-super-casual attitude and literally RUN AWAY. I expect it was something that made him feel vulnerable, and his realizing she's having access to his emotions would definitely do it.
@Laura: That might also explain why she didn't catalog those colors around her anymore after her tranformation. If she has starlight powers, her own color is probably way more intense now.
I'm personally just so excited to see her decked out in Night Court clothes. Like it's all going to be black and sparkles and just gorgeous. <3
Her being in the Night Court is going to be so amazing. I'm totally looking forward to Feyre being let loose in there. Also, do you think Rhys will teach her to read?
YES. Ever since he figured out she couldn't, then taunted her, I felt like that was a little bit of foreshadowing.I hate that we have to wait till May 2016. I'm so, so excited to see Night Court business. And just more Rhys in general. He made ACOTAR for me. (And Lucien. Lucien was perfect.)
Well, I hope he gives it more thought and effort than Tamlin who couldn't figure out what that list of words that she jotted down was about.I wish we'd gotten to hear more about the Night Court in ACOTAR so we'd have more grounds for our speculation. I also wish we'd know more about Lucien, but I think that'll come in the next book too :)
Honestly, I thought at first she did some unknowing painful thing to him, but I think he like imprinted on her or something. I don't want them to happen though sorry all you Rhysand shippers, Tamlin is the bae. Tamlin is end game.
Laura wrote: "What do you guys think was the price Rhys payed to be in the Spring Court on Fire Night? I'm very curious about that too. Do you guys think it was the only night Amarantha let him out ever since sh..."Your last couple of theories are AWESOME particulary the one with the lady of the stars !
@Laura, I thought about that but I'm more intrested to know the reason he had to sacrifice something to be there. So I reread the scene when she first met him and honestly, I didn't find any clue.
BUT, back in his room, something cought my attention :
"She let you out for Fire Night. [...]" "She asked me to put this head in the garden. And as for Fire Night..." He looked me up and down . "I had my reasons to be out."
I think that Rhys knew all a long that a human girl was brought into the Spring Court and he wanted to see her from his own eyes. And maybe, that's why he provoked Tamlin when he came to remind him that his dead line is over.
All this seems far-fetched, but what do you think ?
Laura wrote: "What do you guys think was the price Rhys payed to be in the Spring Court on Fire Night? I'm very curious about that too. Do you guys think it was the only night Amarantha let him out ever since sh..."I'm curious too. He mentioned it had cost him to be out.
@ Mirou. I noticed that "he looked me up and down" bit too. I had a wild theory that mates could sense each other somewhat before "imprinting." (I can't think of another term, but you guys know what I mean lol) And Rhysand could sense his mate was there, but couldn't figure out who it was. I always thought it was ironic that he happened to stumble upon Feyre.
I also had a theory that maybe he knew they were mates before that look at the end. I just couldn't figure out why he'd make a deal that meant she would spend (at first) two weeks a month with him FOREVER when he didn't even know her.
At this point, I feel like endgame could go either way. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Feyre and Tamlin end up together. But it wouldn't surprise me if she and Rhysand end up together, either. Maybe Feyre can indeed just have them both, haha.
I'm so glad you mentioned this Laura.Especially this line: "There you are. I've been looking for you."
I mentioned this to my friend when talking about the theory that he was sensing Feyre. It just seemed so ironic when you do consider the bigger picture.
I can't remember...do Lucien and Tamlin know Rhys was there? Or did just Feyre see him? Or do all the high lords participate in fire night? I could have sworn Lucien or Alis said they did, but now I can't remember.
If Rhysand wasn't there to participate with the other high lord's, he was indeed there for something else. If you are right Laura and he only gets one night out, and chose not to go to the night court, it's a huge deal.
Does anyone else think it's interesting the cover shows Feyre dressed in BLACK and with her tattoo? I'm almost surprised they didn't go for something spring-ish. Or some sort of bright colored dress. But instead, she's in black (Darkling feels) and Rhys is the only one who is always wearing black.
Can't remember if I mentioned it, but I also thought maybe the Suriel was talking about Rhysand when it said "Stay with the high lord." Then the bit about "He will shield you from it, so stay close to him."Obviously this could refer to Tamlin, but it could refer to Rhysand since Rhysand is actually the one that shielded/aided Feyre during the trials.
@ Laura. I have a hunch book two will be called "A Court of Night and Starlight" or "A Court of Night and Stars" or something similar. :P So I think she'll be in a glittery silver-ish dress. The cover will be GORGEOUS if it's all black/midnight blue/starry
I think it's also interesting that music has this summoning effect on Feyre. She was pulled toward the drums--then there was that music that pulled her "out of her cell" during the trials to what appeared to be the night court. Also to mirror your scene Laura..
There was a string— a string tied to my gut that pulled me toward those hills, commanding me to go, to hear the faerie drums..."
I was pulled from sleep by something tugging at my middle, a thread deep inside.
Along with I knew who summoned me long before I opened the door..
There's a lot of red string of fate shit going on here lol. These two seem pretty fated to me.
They really are. It feels like we're being hit in the face with all their yin and yang-ness constantly. I'll be astounded if it doesn't amount to anything.I noticed Rhysand always put his wings away when others were around. I wonder if 1) how many have seen him in "beast" form and 2) why he allowed Feyre to see if he shows so few.
Also, do you guys think the bargain is technically void since Feyre died?Rhysand did say..
"Just to say goodbye before your beloved whisks you away forever."
I don't think he would have said that if the bargain was still in tact. Feyre is the one who think it's still on, and he obviously doesn't do anything to correct her.
(My theory is that eventually she'll figure this out, but not right away where she would have been pissed he let her think it was in effect; but rather, later, when she finds herself liking the night court and thus, will go there by her own choice.)
And if this IS the case, then the tattoo is in fact unrelated to the bargain. Because the tattoo remained even after she "died."
I agree. He didn't even know Feyre at the point of making that bargain. I think they had two scenes together before that moment--Fire Night and at Tamlin's estate.At first, I figured it was to further make Tamlin angry--because that was his game plan, for Tamlin to get angry enough to kill Amarantha. But why not make the bargain for a week then? Why make it FOREVER? A week would have pissed Tamlin off enough. But binding Feyre to him forever, essentially, is baffling.
Though, I'm sure he can release her from the bargain any time he chooses. But Tamlin would surely know that.
I just can't figure out why Rhysand would want a human at his court two weeks a month. I had one theory that maybe he needed a wife (relating back to Hades/Persephone) to keep his "throne" or something. But surely he wouldn't need to trick someone into marrying him. lmao I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE.
But seriously, it's very curious. I agree though..he isn't just lonely. There's some ulterior motive there. I just can't figure out why he'd need her for anything.
YOU ARE GENIUSES !I love your suggestions about the title of the next book !
@WinterRose, I don't even want to picture how Feyre is going to react if your theory about the bargain is true! But, I agree, I think she will be confused because she would feel at her ease in the Night Court.
@Laura, oh, but, I asked myself this question over and over.
Which is frustrating is that, when Feyre was in her cell, she actually admited this :
"When you healed my arm... You didn't need to bargain with me. You could have demanded every single week of the year. [...] "Every single week, and I would have said yes." It wasn't entirely a question, but I needed the answer.
A half smile appeared on his sensuous lips. "I know," he said , and vanished.
Another scene :
"- Do you want me to offer another week of my life ?
- Not unless you feel compelled to do so" he said , his eyes like stars.
Rhys obviously don't want her to hate him because he knew that if he forced her to stay with him in the Night Court forever, she will be miserable. He needs her for something.
@WinterRose, you said maybe he needs a queen but she was human when he bargained with her so I don't know if this make sense. Why would he bother himself with a human girl ?
Oh, girls, what if Amarantha cursed somehow Rhys too ? Rhys said that she hated him. It wouldn't surpise me.
I totally agree on Rhysand and Feyre's meeting on Fire Night being anything but a coincidence. At the very least, he was there trying to see if Tamlin had finally found the girl he needed to lift the curse.As for the bargain, I think he asked for something in return so he could pass it off as one of his games in front of Amarantha. If Feyre had just been healed, with no tattoo and bargain, Amarantha would have thrown a fit. This way, she could put it down as part of proving Feyre's inconstancy and Rhys' love for court games.
Laura wrote: "@WinterRose If Rhys was summoning Feyre on Fire Night, if he was looking for her, then it's proof their bond existed before the tattoo."But that doesn't explain why he stumbled in the last scene.
If he saw signs that he is somehow linked to her, it woudn't be such a big surprise if he found out that she is his mate, no ? It would be more a confirmation of his doubts.
It reminds me a quote from SJM's pinterest which matches your theory : https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
I don't even want to picture how Feyre is going to react if your theory about the bargain is true! But, I agree, I think she will be confused because she would feel at her ease in the Night Court.If the bargain wasn't really in tact but Rhysand went along with it anyway, I think Feyre's reaction would depend on when she found out. If she found out early on, before she really got closer to him, then she'd be furious. But if it happened say, after several visits, she might react differently.
Why would he bother himself with a human girl ?
The million dollar question lol. I've also considered he has a curse on him too. I just can't figure out how Feyre would factor into it--unless he too needed a human to love him, lmao. But I don't think Maas would do that.
As for the bargain, I think he asked for something in return so he could pass it off as one of his games in front of Amarantha.
This is also likely. But why make such a permanent bargain? A week every month for the rest of her life is very, very permanent. (Also why I think the bargain might be void. He said "for the rest of her LIFE." Not "for the rest of your existence" or something along those lines)
The other big question is how she was still "alive" in Rhysand. That's either because of whatever bond Rhysand created, or they're soul mates. Maybe both.
If he saw signs that he is somehow linked to her, it woudn't be such a big surprise if he found out that she is his mate, no ?Correct. If this was the case, then the scene he stumbled in would be unrelated to the mate thing.
I had wondered if seeing the other through their eyes was a mate thing, then maybe at the end he either 1) saw himself through Feyre's eyes or 2) saw that SHE had seen herself through his. (If two is the case, then he would have realized she mated with him and I think that would send him stumbling. And if this is the case, I can see him almost avoiding her so he couldn't "seal" the bond or whatever.)
I wish we knew if the mate bond worked simultaneously or not.
Mirou wrote: "It reminds me a quote from SJM's pinterest which matches your theory : https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536..."YESSSS.
A half smile appeared on his sensuous lips. "I know," he said , and vanishedI was thinking this scene showed that he knows he could have demanded two weeks or more because she would have had to agree to it. But he let her have the "last say" so to say and compromised.
I'M DYING TO KNOW HIS TRUE INTENTIONS!
Agreed. Maas mentioned in an interview that Rhys will have to fight to keep his secrets once he calls in on the bargain. It makes me wonder if he'll eventually let Feyre go, for fear what she'll find if she stays. But knowing Feyre, she'll return anyway. lol
I have a feeling she's going to inch her way into his armor and he's not going to like it. :P He strikes me as someone who keeps a high wall up.
Gah. Found some stuff during a re-read of a scene.1. Rhysand IS involved in the Great Rite somehow. I finally found the quote.
"We do this by conducting the Great Rite. Each of the seven High Lords of Prythian performs this every year, since their magic comes from the earth and returns to it at the end."
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2. Stay in your chamber.
But a wild, wicked voice weaving in between the drumbeats whispered otherwise. Go, that voice said. Go see.
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3. "There you are. I've been looking for you."
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4. "The magic will seize control of his mind, his body, his soul, and turn him into the Hunter. It will fill him with his sole purpose: to find the Maiden.
(Assuming if Rhysand is also participating, then he would experience the same as Tamlin. I imagine Rhysand would be far more in control than Tamlin since he's much older.)
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5. In Greek mythology, Persephone (/pərˈsɛfəniː/, per-seh-fə-nee; Greek: Περσεφόνη), also called Kore or Cora (/ˈkɔəriː/; "the maiden"),[n 1]
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BAM. I SMELL ENDGAME.
Laura wrote: "More evidence:There were hundreds of High Fae milling about, but I couldn't dicern any of their features beyond the various masks they wore. Where had they come from -- where did they live, if th..."
Aww. GUYS, I can't wait !
Maybe Rhys realized Feyre was his mate, but he kept away from her so the bond couldn't snatch into place. Then, when she died, he thought her transformation would change her so much she'd not be his mate anymore.But as Feyre points out, her heart is still the same, still human. And then, as he's fading into the shadows, he feels the bond snap into place on his end and he's shocked and runs off.
Laura wrote: "Did any of you guys also feel awkward whenever Feyre was making out with Tamlin after the got that tattoo? Because I did. I had this feeling that they were not alone and that Rhys knew what they we..."It reminds me Rose with Lissa in the Vampire Academy series. Anyway, I don't want it to be like this. So awkward, like you said and also horrible to Rhys.
How do you think Feyre's relationship with Tamlin will evolve ? Do you think Tamlin will notice that something is going on with Rhys ?
I'm pretty sure YES. I'm just afraid it's going to be like Juliette and Adam in Shatter Me
Yes, I agree Laura.My voice was--quiet. Hollow. I should try--try to sound more cheerful, for him, for what had just happened, but...
This jumped out at me when I first read it. She's putting on a smile for him rather than herself, and that's going to backfire. Feyre has a very open reaction with Rhyand--she says what's on her mind--and I'll be curious how she'll be with Tamlin now. Rhysand is the one who asked her about what it was like being a High Fae and that got her to open up about her feelings. Not Tamlin.
I also noticed this:
On and on, until every newly heightened sense was chafing and raw, and Tamlin at last noticed my dull eyes, my silence, and took my arm.
To me this indicates he might not notice her unhappiness. Or at least, he doesn't notice right away. I don't think he'd not be there for her, but he might be blinded by the bliss of them being able to be together to see that what she did still haunts her. He might try to brush it under the rug too. "You did what you had to, you have to forgive yourself." etc. rather than letting her grieve and move on in her own pace. If that makes sense.
I agree. It sort of ends with being happy before facing the consequences of what it took to GET that happily ever after. Feyre is very scarred from what she went through, that much is clear. Tamlin has lived long enough that he's used to those types of horrors. He can move on from it. Feyre will struggle because she's essentially human, years wise. She's only 19, whereas Tamlin is hundreds of years old.The question will be whether Tamlin is able to help Feyre forgive herself and move forward. Rhysand already showed he can keep her from shattering, as she mentioned. Time will tell if Tamlin can be just as helpful to her as Rhysand was, emotionally.
WinterRose wrote: "I agree. It sort of ends with being happy before facing the consequences of what it took to GET that happily ever after. Feyre is very scarred from what she went through, that much is clear. Tamlin..."I agree with laura. I think Tamlin is going to be more the "You did what you had to, you have to forgive yourself" guy. Rhys, on the other hand, is going to confront her, if not accuse her of being a murderer, to get over what she did.
Laura wrote: "@Gabrielle I think in the next book we'll get more insight about the Hybern King, since I think he is the main villain and Rhys gathered some information about him while Under the Mountain. I don't..."I would not be surprised if he did. Remember he has a kind of magic book with powerful spells. It's thanks to this book, that Armanatha was able to control the high fae.
I wonder how they can beat him ..
And I'm pretty sure, he is going to take interest in Feyre, since she is the one who defeated the former queen, don't you think ?
You said that it is because Tamlin is hundreds of years older than Feyre, but then, Rhys is even olden than Tamlin. And he cares, so much that it haunts him.This is true. I just wonder if Rhysand and Tamlin will view it differently in ways they can relate to. Both have experienced battles, bloodshed, and casualties. I think the reason Rhysand appears more haunted is because it wasn't a battle he willingly suited up for. He basically had to sell himself. So did Feyre.
Tamlin didn't have to do that. He had to "give in" to Amarantha for what, a few weeks? Rhysand did it for 50 years. It may not stick with Tamlin as much as it did Rhysand, because he was never trapped under the mountain that long, nor did he have to become a sex slave for all those years.
So I don't think Tamlin will understand the emotional trauma as well as Rhys.
I'm probably not even making sense, haha. Hopefully you get the idea. lol
Do you think that Tamlins heart fo stone will in anyway be symoblic of that
How did I miss the fact that Feyre assumes ALL the high lord's had their hearts turned to stone? ("That was how she controlled him and his magic. How she controlled all the High Lord's, dominating and leashing them just as she kept Jurian's soul tethered to that eye and bone.")
This actually also sounds like what Rhys did--maybe he somehow tethered Feyre's soul to him or him to her with her bone. Remember how she said her bone was sticking out?
Also, then it does sound like Rhys was talking about himself, Tamlin, and the others, to pity those who felt nothing at all. Makes me wonder if Tamlin, Rhys, and the others COULDN'T love. Tamlin could show affection and could fake it if he wanted to, but now I'm just curious if it was possible. If the heart of stone was just physical.
It would make it harder for a human to fall in love with someone who couldn't technically love them or understand the feeling completely while their heart was made of stone.
And maybe now with their hearts back to normal, they can feel/love, and maybe that blocked the mate bond on Rhys's end until the end.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "WinterRose wrote: " You said that it is because Tamlin is hundreds of years older than Feyre, but then, Rhys is even olden than Tamlin. And he cares, so much that it haunts him.This is true. I ju..."
I agree with you about Tamlin. Even during the tasks, under the moutain, he put himself and Feyre at risk during there making-out session and yes, maybe he could have sacrifice himself to save his court.
But I think you are a little too harsh on him. Maybe being with Armantha would have been worse. We talked about it and we think that there is something else why the former queen was so intrested in Tamlin.
Last point about his stone heart. That's funny because I didn't take this as real. I thought it was a methaphor about the fact that he didn't want to show his emotions
Laura wrote: "I bet Tamlin wasn't always a good guy. He is hiding things from Feyre and I think she'll end up finding out from Rhys and that's going to backfire. There is a possibility that Tamlin lied to her so..."I still believe that Tamlin loves Feyre. I somehow understand him, he did awful things in the past but he redeemed himself so he might not see the necessity of telling it to Feyre.
why would she put him in the last task to be stabbed in the heart if it wouldn't workFeyre mentions this when figuring it out, but Amarantha wouldn't risk Tamlin's life. She set the task up because she figured Feyre wouldn't be able to go through with killing him. Amarantha knew Tamlin's heart was of stone, because it was how she controlled him and his magic. (According to Feyre) Feyre also mentions that's how she controls ALL the high lord's. I assumed this meant all their hearts were made of stone; rather than controlling Tamlin's heart meant controlling all of them.
Feyre is able to deduct that her hunch is probably right, that he can't be killed. Otherwise, Amarantha would never risk the chance that he could, because at the end of the day she wanted him alive and hers.
On the whole Tamlin/curse thing. I think he was in a bad position because if he did just go to Amarantha, yes, less of his soldiers would die. BUT she'd also control him, his powers, and his court. Then she'd have all the high lord's in her control. He really had to try to break it, otherwise there was no one who would be able to stop her. That's why Rhysand worked so hard to make sure Feyre passed so Tamlin would be free to kill her. Rhysand and the others couldn't because she held their power.
One problem I did have with Tamlin while reading the book was that he seemed to always try to keep Feyre from the issues.I agree. I will say, Feyre was for most of the book, human, and would not be able to hold her own in most Fae fights. I get that. But I instead of shielding her completely, Tamlin and Lucien should have trained her. With how Fae can manipulate words, swords, daggers, all things that would be helpful against a fight against the Fae. I think Tamlin assumed it would never come down to that because he'd be there, but Feyre could have benefited greatly from being trained. (It also would have made the book not as slow lol)
I'd rather have training sessions than painting sessions. I had an issue with them thinking Feyre should just stay blissfully ignorant in her bubble with her paints. She's no Celaena, but she's not completely helpless and weak.
From the way Rhysand speaks to him, it was as if they were a team and one point. Maybe they did awful thing together.
I think Rhys mentions that he was the one to teach Tamlin the ways of women and something else. So I assumed they had either a big brother/little brother relationship, or mentor/trainee relationship. I think there was probably a time when the night and spring court held an alliance, and Rhysand taught Tamlin many things. But (going back to that line about cruelty) I think Tamlin was soft. Maybe a brutal warrior on the battle field when in kill mode, but soft in heart when it came to making tough decisions or punishments. Tamlin strikes me as someone who would forgive a soldier for deserting; Rhysand strikes me as someone who would send them to the dungeon or kill them. lol
Yeah I'm not a huge fan of Tamlin myself. Well, I don't NOT like him. I do like him. I just don't find him as engaging/interesting as Rhysand or even Lucien. I think his character portrayal (the noble warrior with a heart of gold) is just one that takes me a book or two to grow to love. Sometimes I instantly love those types (like Steve Rogers, my precious Captain) and sometimes it just takes me a while.But I don't find myself drooling over him or being super into that ship. It's nice and sweet, but the "spark" feels more like lust to me. The spark with Rhysand and Feyre is more...emotional? It's not a spark like "oh they're about to rip each other's clothes off" but rather, like Feyre sparks to life around him. I like that.
it just seemed a tad bit silly.
Very. It's why I'm not crazy about her as a villain. I liked her personality as an antagonist, but a villain I should take seriously? Not so much. Though I came across this on wikipedia.
Villeneuve's tale includes several elements that Beaumont's omits. Chiefly, the back-story of both Belle and the Beast is given. The Beast was a prince who lost his father at a young age, and whose mother had to wage war to defend his kingdom. The queen left him in care of an evil fairy, who tried to seduce him when he became an adult; when he refused, she transformed him into a beast.
Belle's story reveals that she is not really a merchant's daughter but the offspring of a king and a good fairy. The wicked fairy had tried to murder Belle so she could marry her father the king, and Belle was put in the place of the merchant's dead daughter to protect her.[3] She also gave the castle elaborate magic, which obscured the more vital pieces of it.[4] Beaumont greatly pared down the cast of characters and simplified the tale to an almost archetypal simplicity.[4]
Sounds like this was also an inspiration for ACOTAR. Maas has mentioned she sort of mashed a lot of tales together for this. It would also explain the inspiration if Feyre turns out to have Fae lineage.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "But the thing is, Armantha could have kept Feyre hostage to further or insurence that Tamlin would stay with her. That way she wouldnt have lost anything.I know the odds where heavily against Fe..."
I steek to the "fun" part. Armantha was too arrogant to think that a powerless human can beat her so she wanted to have some fun by toturing Feyre.
If all the high lords had stone hearts during Armantha reign, well our theory about Rhys discovering that Feyre is his mate takes much better sense!
His last sentence before stumbling was : “Be glad of your human heart, Feyre. Pity those who don’t feel anything at all".
That can't be a coincidence. They are talking about feelings and hearts just before he stumbled. Make me wonder. As if the mating bond became possible now that Armantha is dead and Rhys's heart is normal again. But, the fact that he didn't expected it to happen, shoked him. Do you get my idea ?
Last point, I'm too excited about the training sessions in book 2 [SJM said there will be some] since I'm pretty sure, it's Rhys who is going to teach feyre !
That's why I wondered if the stone heart thing wasn't just like..a physical thing, where their hearts were literally made of stone. But also, if figuratively, their hearts were affected, too. Imagine the complexity if the curse was that Tamlin had to get a human to love him when he couldn't return the love because his heart was stone. (He could fake it, as you can fake feelings you don't have. But still)
What I don't get is why Alis could tell Feyre everything about the curse once it was over, but couldn't mention the stone heart?
And YES. FINALLY some damn training. I have a feeling she's going to inherit his powers. Maybe that's what shocked him. I really don't think Feyre will have all seven special powers, bur rather, she might have one from one court. Which I think will be Rhsysand's.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Oh I think anyone that old can fake emotions quite easily. He's like 500 years old. Thats so old. @Everyone: This is a kind of pet peeve I have with books, when it is always the male love interes..."
Now that you mention that : I don't remember reading any book where the female is actually the old one..
The Cauldron ? Hum, I think it's like the Mortal Cup in the Chadowhunters Series. It's because of it that the fist High Lords were born. I mean, that's what I thought about when I first read about it
@ Laura. It's kind of unclear based on how Lucien words it."We do this by conducting the Great Rite. Each of the seven High Lords of Prythian performs this every year, since their magic comes from the earth and returns to it at the end."
Every year indicates this happens once a year. Here were some ways I took it:
- The High Lord's take turns in who becomes the hunter." This year was Tamlin's turn; thus, Tamlin would be the hunter once every seven years.
- Each High Lord becomes the hunter in their own court on the same night. (Which would mean Rhysand REALLY felt compelled to her, if he'd travel there. He does have that "apparating" ability.)
- Each High Lord becomes the hunter in the SAME court. They just rotate each year. This year happened to be the spring court, so they all traveled there to perform it.
I feel like the second option makes the most sense, that the high lord's perform this in their own court on the same night once a year.
Rhys said he had reasons to be at the spring court and that it cost him. Maybe it cost him because he was supposed to be at his court.
WinterRose wrote: "@ Laura. It's kind of unclear based on how Lucien words it."We do this by conducting the Great Rite. Each of the seven High Lords of Prythian performs this every year, since their magic comes fro..."
It make sense if the next one who is going to be the hunter is Rhys. There is seven courts and the last one on the map is the spring Court (South). If my theory is good, the next court is the Night Court, because it's the first court on the map (North).
- Feyre is going to end up being The Maiden in some Fire Night, no doubt.
I don't know if we will see this in the second book. For now, I don't think she will be willing to offer herself to someone else other than Tamlin, sadly.. But who knows ?
Though, I have two questions :
- If I get it, sex with the Maiden is necessary to complete the ceromony ?
- Lucien said that Tamlin lost all control during the Fire Night. Do you think it will be the same thing with Rhys ?
He seems so much in control of himself that I can't picture him becoming a beast. What if the high lord of the Night has to choose someone to fly with in the sky ? You know like Morpheus and Alyssa in the end. Can you imagine ?
If it's one Fire Night for everyone, then why in the start of Spring? That's what I'm not sure about. I wonder if Sarah would shed some light on this on twitter. Quick, someone ask her! lol
@ Mirou and Laura. I think Rhys will also lose control, but be more in control than Tamlin was. He already admitted he doesn't like to lose himself to his "beast" form entirely. I don't think he likes to be any bit out of control.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "((Can i just excuse myself for my bad spelling in all my previous posts, I read over them and I don't know how i missed some of them.))@Minrou: Oh then if its like the Mortal Cup then it must be ..."
I like the idea of a 8th court, meaning that Feyre got a particular power that doesn't belong to any specific court. Could be possible
Lol I kind of hope that doesn't happen. I need a break from special snowflakes in YA. :P I hope she just gains powers from one court.
Well, I'm not sure how much he actually wanted her to forget her family--and what he said because of the curse. Because of the curse, he WOULD try to get her to forget her family and move on, because he needed her to fall in love with him. He couldn't have her have reasons to return to them, or try to escape, when he needed her there to break the curse.
We'll have to see where he stands now. I think he probably will resent them--and for good reason. No matter what Nesta did, she was still pretty mean to Feyre. I don't think her family is terrible, but they aren't winning family of the year. lol
First off; I love each and every one of you for your genius take on all of this! I've been reading this thread every chance I've gotten just to try to keep up since I've have approximately zero time to respond. :D@Gabrielle your point about Tamlin being a coward is thorough and interesting. I have to say I always got the impression that Tamlin was very much of the attitude that "if it will happen it will happen" and was very passive about his fate. Thus, making it all the worse because he was so passive about taking care of his people/court. I don't think there is necessarily a loss of compassion on his part more so, than just defeatist attitude.
@WinterRose Thank you for sharing that from Wikipedia! It certainly seems to be some influence/inspiration. Can't help but agree with you about Fae lineage though for Feyre if that does come to pass.
While Amarantha as the villian was a little eye-roll worthy; I think she only saw Feyre as nothing more than a mere pawn in her game. Amarantha was cocky; and figured Feyre would be nothing more than another pathetic mortal who had "fallen" for one of the fae. I find Amarantha's character pretty cut and dry and not complex in the slightest sadly. I feel like it would have been wholly more satisfying if there had been depth to her.
Actually, I feel as though Alis's spillage of the curse (what she was able to tell) sort of ruined the adventure of under the mountain and Feyre going through the trials. It just sort of cheapened it for me. If that makes any sense.
@Gabrielle You know I don't think there is any book with the female as the older one. Though that probably feeds into the whole societal ideal we have that women should be young; and wrinkle-free and beautiful. Because wistfulness - and whatever other stupid propaganda the media attempts to shove in our faces. Just go check out all the ads in magazines and so forth. Can't say I'm overly surprised sadly. Perhaps we should write one!
Even with Tamlin wanting her to forget her family (which I agree is wrong...and can I point out a little control-freakish?) That could be the beginning crack that slowly splits them apart. I can't help but feel torn about Tamlin. I didn't overly like him but I sometimes think back and can't help but feel that he was using Feyre. I don't totally buy into their relationship. Also - knowing and calculating that Feyre was the sole income of the house he probably knew that he could weave whatever pretty "truths" he wanted to keep Feyre at the Spring Court.
@Laura I would suspect your right. I also think we will see him err on the side of caution. He won't be the kind of person who wants others to become close to him emotionally, physically. I think we will see that as a stepping stone for the relationship that could potentially blossom between Feyre and Rhysand in the next book. Which honestly I feel is a stronger basis for a relationship than what Tamlin and Feyre have. While I'm all for Feyre and Rhysand becoming a couple in the next book there's too much emotional turmoil and mental turmoil that they have each endured and I believe it will be more about dealing with it and coming to terms with it. Because as you guys have previously mentioned Rhysand is more likely to understand the gravity of the situation Feyre was in.
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Blood sharing happens between Fae in the Throne of Glass books, so maybe there's something similar here too.
That's a good point Felicia. Maybe Rhysand realized Feyre could feel his emotions and she had more power over him than he had intended. Perhaps also, maybe the bond was meant for HIM to have access to her so he could help her--but if they're soul mates, it worked both ways, which he didn't expect to happen.