A Court of Thorns and Roses
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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
Basically, Ianthe is Petyr Baelish. haha(I always miss everything when I'm at work! I'll be back tomorrow to join the fun.)
But...YES FOR THESE TEASERS THEY GAVE ME LIFE TODAY.
Shush. I was made for Game of Throne references.I think Elaine and Isaac may die eventually.
Oooh, i wonder how Rhys and Tamlin would react to Isaac . . . it's not like they can be defensive when they've had other lovers in the past too.
Rhys is so hot, my guess is feyre is shapeshifting into some creature with wings :/ they sooo belong together! also who thinks Maas based Rhys's character on Johnathan rhys Meyers??
Alyana wrote: "Laura wrote: "And there is something else on my mind. Remember that time SJM said on Twitter that Feyre wouldn't have to choose between Tamlin and Rhys? Well... After reading all the new informatio..."what if she cheats on him with Rhys??
Maybe sarah said that because Feyre isn't going to HAVE to CHOOSE because the mate bond is the only choice there is, tamlin also said that once you find your mate marriage seems insignificant in comparison, what a specific way to describe mating for someone who hasn't mates before. If this isn't foreshadowing then I don't know what is.Also guys remember when feyre was hallucinating before her past trial, hearing the music and seeing this palace where all that was lovely and kind and fantastic dwelled in peace, a palace in the sky where the one she loved was. At first i was like " yeah right whatever, the night court is supposed to be deadly tho" but then in the preview it's different then what we thought the night court, or in this case rhysand's palace, is like. it would go really well with the foresight theory.
Are we going to be moving to a new thread on the page for ACOMAF once it comes out?
THEY R MATES SIMPLE...........................I LOVE TAMLIN BUT WHEN RHYSAND WAS INTRODUCED I DIDNT KNOW WHAT TO DOO.... IN THE MOUNTAIN i loved rhysand because he helped her and in the spring court i loved tamlin... i am in utter confusion ......and in the last scene when they were talking i knew that rheys realized that she is her mate because now she has become a fae she can be her mate and u know that mates can see each other in each other's eyes soo thats what happened he saw her ......but i dont think its going to happen like i am thinking i think she will break rheys heart because he clearly likes her but rheys will help her in the battle but in the end its a happily ever after with TAMLIN.
Some of us on here met from being part of the Grisha fandom, and there's a group we're members of called The Booklings, where we could move the conversation to. We have an ACOTAR thread but I can make an ACOMAF one. :DLaura wrote: "@WinterRose I was going to say here that Ianthe was Varys but thought no one would understand the reference, LOL"
lol I LOOOOOVE Game of Thrones.
Also I saw this on tumblr and thought it was interesting.A Court of Thorns and Roses started out as a Beauty and the Beast retelling… with one notable exception: Feyre can’t read. While Belle doted over books and libraries, Feyre is illiterate and nearly saw it doom her.
We’ve just sort of accepted this as a change Sarah made to the tale.
But what if - what if - the reading hasn’t been omitted, but rather intended as a massive character arc? What if by the end of the trilogy Feyre is every bit as book-crazy as Belle is? What if the reading is supposed to mirror her arc of growth and self-acceptance - so she gradually learns to embrace it?
And what if whoever teaches her to love books is the one who also teaches her to love herself and embrace her own potential?
It seems we were right about the bargain not really being in effect anymore. Because when Feyre asks about it in that excerpt, Rhys keeps quiet. He doesn't say anything about the bargain. And when has he ever been quiet?
My predictions for Book2.1. There is a lot of talk about babies in the preview. I think someone will get pregnant in this book ( or in Book 3)
2. If Ianthe is Tamlin's childhood friend, then she might too know why Rhys' father killed Tamlin's. Maybe Rhys doesn't like her for personal reasons
Tell me how does Rhys trust feyre enough not to spill about his plans to tamlin or Ianthe, i mean feyre could be used against him, and if the mating bond is really canon, and if anyone found out, then he would REALLY be in trouble. I know feyre probably won't spill but I fear for my babies and they need to be protected at all costs so...Also tell me how am I supposed to get acomaf out of my mind at least these 20 days because my exams are coming and I can't even concentrate on studying when all I'm thinking about is this book, it's taking over my life, and it's not healthy. *cries*
We should start a new thread under ACOMAF once acomaf comes out and ppl start wanting to discuss the second book. So let's keep this thread for pre-ACOMAF peeps.
Rhysand probably wants Tamlin's help, too. I mean, he's probably not going to take on hybern alone lol he'll need more court's to help. Feyre is a bridge to that. If she gets on board, Tamlin could as well.I'm going to start a new topic. :D
Post the link when you do @WinterRose ;)True, that's why it said in the summary that Feyre is going to travel through the Courts, Rhys will use her as a symbol of union and strenght.
Oh gosh, guys, I just had two realizations back to back and I am so excited to share!!FIRST, I was just talking to @Aqsa over on Tumblr and we were talking about Feyre and flying lessons and how Rhys may take her to the cabin to see the sky and make her WANT to fly and that it could trigger her wings/beast form. But then it hit me. So, we've been focusing on how awesome it is that Feyre could fly and everything, but I think we also should look at what this MEANS. Because guys, ONLY HIGH LORDS CAN TRANSFORM. But if FEYRE can, that means she's their equal in power - she already HAS the power of a High Lady. She is one in all but name. Normal high fae can't do that - high lord specialty and all! Anyone will FREAK when she suddenly has wings because of what it MEANS. Which would tie in with the theories about what Rhys saw. If he saw her with wings and with powers similar to his own, that is HUGE. And maybe he saw something as well that marked her as High Lady of HIS court, which wold obviously mean she's his mate or something similar.
Ok, and the second thing!
@Laura, I was rereading what you added on to the Ianthe theory while I was also rereading the Reading Lesson preview. So, we've all noticed that Ianthe has a lot of sway with Tamlin already and even Feyre to an extent. And Laura pointed out that once Ianthe starts trying to manipulate Tamlin/seducing him/taking over the Spring Court with her ceremony-empowered magic, Feyre would be playing a dangerous game during the times she came back to the Spring Court. And as was just mentioned above, Ianthe may try to turn Tamlin against his allies and increase his paranoia, to the point where she may even silence Lucien.
And then came that part in the preview when Rhys talks to Feyre about her mind shield: "This is what happens when you leave your mental shields down. Someone with my sort of powers could slip inside, see what they want, and take your mind for themselves." Guys, what if IANTHE has that type of power? What if she is able to manipulate minds, but in a way that's different from Rhys? That is more subtle? Her magic IS different and it relies on the magic gathered from ceremonies, so maybe the effect is weak right now (think of how compliant Tam has been to Ianthe's demands. It COULD be because of the childhood friendship, but maybe it's more sinister than that?), but as she gains more powers from the increased holidays, what if she has more power over Tamlin's mind?
Think about it. Sarah doesn't focus on lessons that don't play a role later on. Rhys isn't going to be the one attacking Feyre's mind, but if Ianthe can manipulate people's thoughts and actions on a subtle level, what if this is the mind game she will have to play at the Spring Court? What if she realizes at some point that Ianthe is playing games with people's minds and is trying to weaken Spring to play into the King's hands??
Thoughts???
@KellyI don't trust Lanthe one bit, she has way to much control over both Feyre and Tamlin. And her having powers to gently persuade will be a tipping scale considering how paranoid and kinda crazy Tamlin is right now.
Also I know we all pretty much agree the Rhys and Feyre are mates. But I just really want to talk about how every.single.time. Feyre an Tamlin are together he's either telling her no to calm down or just flat out ignoring her (as we saw with the nightmares and throwing up) but what really sticks out to me is they have no real substance they're just lust. And I kinda really hate it.
When Rhys was starting to teach Feyre to read she said I'm not stupid, and I just really love that he said I never said it or presumed you were ( I don't remember the exact wording). He's not being rude or all charms and smiles. He's jut being Rhys.
I can't believe though that nobody had talked about how Rhys went on a bit of a tangent when Feyre asked why he wanted her to be able to read. At one point he said ( I'm paraphrasing ) he didn't like the way the spring court people treated her because she couldn't. This excerpt really 100% convinced me they wee mates.
He got upset at the spring court for treating her less because she couldn't read swaddling her. And he did not like it one but when he took Feyre from her wedding because she was wrapped up like a present for him. Emphasis on the word him.
One last thing
So Rhys said no he can finally get a good nights sleep. I think they're dreams do overlap in a way, but he said that she's lucky not to have ran into anyone with his powers before. That means there are fae out there who can do what Rhys does to an extent. Now that she's in the Night court where I bet there are others with a similar power he has to keep a eye out for her. I think it's a mixture of overlapping dreams and making sure nobody messes with his mate that causes him to not sleep well. And I will squeal and flail if he has a room in his chambers or a room connected.
Did anybody else fangirl over all these?
@Laura, I think what I'm trying to say is that it's not so much the fact that she has the wings in general as it is that she might be able to shift into having them. The lesser fae had the wings, but he was born with them and I imagine that he had them all the time. Although we can't be sure, Rhys's mother may have been similar - we can't really know if she transformed to have those wings or if it was something that she had all the time because it was her natural form. (Though I bet that isss where Rhys got his wings). The part about Feyre's wings that is more akin to the High Lords (from what we know anyway) is the fact that it's not the typical wings that a fae would have at all times; it's closer to what the High Lords do in that they are able fully/partially shift into a "beast" form. That's why these wings appearing out of nowhere from a transformation of sorts seems more akin to a High Lord ability to me (and could make sense since the 7 High Lords revived her).As for the process of High Lord heirs, I think their magic starts developing on its own independent of the father's death/crowning ceremony (at least the majority of the powers, if not the special bits). For Tamlin, he said that he had to hide his rapidly strengthening magic from his brothers so they wouldn't find out, right? And his father would have still been alive at that point because his family all got wiped out at the same time (if I'm remembering correctly).
That's an interesting issue, though. Are they blessed with the extra powers and abilities (like shifting) before they ascend to the title? Or does it come after? I'll be interested to see if that comes up at all in the books! And I'm also really interested about what happens with powerful daughters! I imagine they're allowed to develop magic, but the courts won't allow them to ascend to a title because they aren't male....:/ Maybe they usually become High Priestesses? For instance, there is a possibility that Amren could be Rhys's sister (they definitely look alike) and also the High Priestess for the Night Court. High Priestess kind of sounds like the highest position you can get as a female. I'd be really interested if there was ever a daughter of a High Lord who wanted control of the court, though, and how that was handled!
As for the Ianthe theory, Feyre might need to up her scheming game haha. Good thing she has Rhys! Also, I love the potential parallel between Lucien and Nesta! I could see Lucien being too difficult to manipulate - he could pose a real problem for her. Maybe that's why she's trying to go after him early? She wants to spend more time with him to wear him down if she can?
And lol, hoorayyy for plottwists! I really can't wait to see how that plotline develops now! (and also, lol, "yep kids, tell me about it" - so perfect)
Bottom of the line: Ianthe is a spy for the king of Hybern and she is manupulating Tamlin. I have the same thoughts as you guys. And I agree with @Laura about Nesta. I don't know why people hates her, I know she was horrible but I found out that she is a just another complex character meant to develop.
Why do you think Rhys didn't introduce Feyre to the people of the Night Court ? - Feyre said she felt like she was alone.
Guys, I have just started re-reading 'A Court of Thorns and Roses' and I came across this; This is when Feyre and Rhysand were talking to each other.
"Your court fell, too."
Sadness flickered in those violet eyes. I wouldn't have noticed it had I not...felt it-deep inside me.
Omg they have to be mates, right?! I mean she felt what he had felt then. Don't you think that's a clue that they're mates?!!
On Nesta, I hated her more my second read lmao. I don't mind cold characters, but Nesta was too USELESS to me. Amarantha was a bitch and awful, but she got shit done. She tricked the high lord's and made a name for herself. She had ambition. Nesta just had nothing going for her. no ambition, no goals, just wanted everyone to take care of her while doing nothing but whining and complaining and being so mean to Feyre. I just have little patience for that sort of entitled attitude. lol I'd like to see her have a humbling character arc. Where say, she has to actually do some work and survive, if that makes sense, rather than relying on everyone else.
Mirou wrote: "Post the link when you do @WinterRose ;)
True, that's why it said in the summary that Feyre is going to travel through the Courts, Rhys will use her as a symbol of union and strenght."
I just posted it in the discussion here--not in the booklings group. :P So we can see this thread still easily. :D
@ Kelly. Good catch on Ianthe! I've been thinking there's a reason Rhysand is so adamant on teaching Feyre to shield her mind, and if he knows Ianthe has some sort of influence power, he'll want to keep her mind protected from it.
Amren as a high priestess is a very good theory, especially looking at the pics of her on Maas's pinterest. I'm curious how the high lord process works as well. I was under the impress there's no high lady's simply because that sort of magic tends to pass down through the males.
Somebody asked for the link again http://carranamcara.tumblr.com/privat...
And the actual direct quote I was talking about was:
"Maybe I resent the idea of you letting those sycophants and war-mongering fools in the spring court make you feel inadequate"
He goes on a little tangent but that really stuck out to me
So the same blogger who posted the ibooks preview- god bless her- also posted a theory on Ianthe and Amarantha's names meaning something similar.http://carranamcara.tumblr.com/post/1...
IANTHE
Means “violet flower”, derived from Greek ιον (ion) “violet” and ανθος (anthos) “flower”. This was the name of an ocean nymph in Greek mythology.
Who else had another purple flower name?
AMARANTHA
The name of a family of colorful plants and flowers, “Amaranth” derives from Greek ἀμάραντος (amarantos), “unfading,” with the Greek word for “flower,” ἄνθος (anthos). In legend, the amaranth flower is an imaginary flower that never fades and never dies.
This is interesting! As for the parts I bolded: in Ianthe's part, it's interesting that her name means a 'greek ocean nymph', especially since we're veering into a Greek Myth ARC. Also, Maas had tons of pictures of nymphs on her pinterest. Most of them, if I remember correctly, kind of eerie and scary looking. It the myth, Nymphs were Persephone's companions and play-mates, but when Persephone disappears and the Nymphs fail to tell Demeter her location, they are turned into Sirens-- who are basically the ugly counterparts and in some tales, the Sirens were given wings to go off and search for Persephone. When they couldn't find her, they were cursed with a beautiful with deadly singing voice that forever called on to Persephone and that same singing would hypnotize sailors and cause shipwrecks.
The part I bolded in Amarantha's para is because I feel like she's still alive. It does say, "never fades and never dies" and also- Maas had recent pictures of Amarantha when she was putting up pictures of Mor/Cassian/Azriel etc. That makes me think that perhaps Amarantha is still out there. Plus- we don't know what happened with, Jurian's eye, was it? So yeah, she might still be lurking somewhere, just a thought!
Also, this first picture looks like Ianthe's description from the ibooks preview- and the second picture Maas recently updated and captioned as "Ianthe".
I'm now on the fence if I think the mate bond snapped into place. It's hard to imagine Rhys casually saying something along the lines of "where you'll be cloistered and pumping out heirs" or something like that, talking about her life with Tamlin. On the other, it's hard to explain what else Feyre flashing to Rhys's mind, and being in his head when she was "dead" means if not a mate bond.(I still think they are mates, for the record. Regardless of when it happened/happens.)
But maybe he does know, and wishes to keep it a secret from Ianthe. So this is just another reason he wants to teach her how to shield her mind. He obviously is worried about SOMEONE getting into her head.
Wow those teasers! Am I the only one a little disappointed by them? So far this is all on stereotype about how the characters are talking and such. I guess I shouldn't complain because I had these theories but something is lacking. I'll just chalk it up to the teasers being a snippet out a huge book.
^Yeah remember it's like 600+ pages, something crazy like that! So we're just getting a small dose of the start. if this mating bond is for real, do you think Rhys might have told anyone?
I don't know, honestly. Depends how trusting he is of her, sister or not. He wouldn't want to keep it a secret forever. I mean, finding your mate is a blessing, as Tamlin said, and something I assume all Fae want. Though Rhysand's situation is complicated because his mate, if he knows, is about to marry a high lord of another court lol. He interrupts the wedding the first time. What about when Tamlin and Feyre plan for another wedding? What's to stop it from happening then?
And omg though, all this planning going to waste. Ianthe will be so mad, haha.
I don't think neither he is going to tell someone about it.I feel like Feyre will reject Rhys at the end of the book, because she somehow will find out about the mate bond and she would feel like she was betrayed this whle time, like she didn't have any choice in all of this. This is my idea of the Cliffhanger - heartbreaking.
Thanks to @Léna, here is a little interview of SJM :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7Wu...
Ah that would be so horrible. I was hoping the last lines would be something like Rhysand showing up for Feyre either from spring or hybern and being like "she's my mate." Then BAM the end lol.I've been wondering about how rhysand said maybe he would get some sleep if she learns to shield her mind at night. Either it wakes him up, or once he figures out what's happening he extends his shield to her so she can sleep, though it causes him not to sleep as well.
These are the best theories! We have so many talented people coming up with these amazing ideas! I have something that was nagging at me from the previews, I've read ACOTAR like 5+ times but I can't think of what Rhy's is referring to when he says something like, "Did you even tell them what I did to you?"
It sounds like, to me, he's annoyed Feyre didn't stand up for him and tell them that he helped her. What is he saying "he did to her", (like just the tattoo?) that he wanted her to tell them? Could anyone clear that up for me?
Lily-Rose wrote: "These are the best theories! We have so many talented people coming up with these amazing ideas! I have something that was nagging at me from the previews, I've read ACOTAR like 5+ times but I ca..."
I think that he's referring to a conversation that happens before what we see in the preview. I'm guessing that Ianthe and some of Feyre's attendants were bringing up her bargain with Rhys sometime before the wedding and Feyre just side-stepped the questions.
Maybe people assumed that Rhys took advantage of Feyre and Feyre did not say something. It seems as if Rhys is a little sensitive whenever it comes to things he cares about...Night court and now Feyre. And in this case, it seems to be the latter.
If someone mentioned that it was at breakfast, than it's probably someone in Night Court. I wonder who they ate with. Maybe it was Feyre who made that comment.
Why mention Feyre's human family if he wasn't doing that in order to motivate and convince her to fight by his side?I don't think Rhysand is exactly concerned for the human's, but he knows to get Feyre to want to help, all he'd have to say would be that the humans were in danger. I think Hybern will possibly want to take over Prythian, all of it, and that's Rhysand's main concern. I don't think Hybern is planning to just target the humans.
(Not that I think Rhysand is heartless enough to not care about the humans at all, but I don't think that's his main concern. I think he just used that as a means to get Feyre on board.)
What if Tamlin knows Hybern poses a threat but ignores it or is hiding it from Feyre, even knowing that her human family is still out there
I could see Tamlin personally bringing her family to a safe house, so to say. But also keeping Feyre in the dark so she's not aware there's any threats at all. I think he wants to keep her unworried and safe. Based on summaries, it sounds like Feyre only figures out what's really going on at the night court.
I don't think Feyre cares about humans per se, more about her family's life. And her family cannot possibly survive with the High Fae--they would be at risk all the time. Feyre doesn't even want to invite them to the wedding. Feyre herself died and came to close to death on numerous occasions before that. And Feyre's is the most adept one out of the four, she knows that her family won't survive in the brutality of any of the courts. Tamlin seems to want to keep Feyre out of the whole politics business. When Feyre comes back, I have a feeling that she will be kept under tighter conditions...which will drive a deeper wedge between them.
You have to hand it to Rhys, kidnapping Feyre on the day of her wedding is a sure way to set off Tamlin's bad side. Tamlin will probably be ashamed and be even more suffocating than before...while Feyre will probably start liking Rhys more.
Also, did anyone notice how tired Feyre was during her time at night court? Did she have nightmares again or could she not sleep? She talks about how she could take a nap and is completely drained. I wonder what that is about.
CatcherR wrote: "Also, did anyone notice how tired Feyre was during her time at night court? Did she have nightmares again or could she not sleep? She talks about how she could take a nap and is completely drained...."I think she was tired simply because she kept practicing her mental shield over and over. So at the end, it drained her because she focused too much.
WinterRose wrote: "Ah that would be so horrible. I was hoping the last lines would be something like Rhysand showing up for Feyre either from spring or hybern and being like "she's my mate." Then BAM the end lol.I'..."
OMG @WinterRose if that happens i'm gonna like literally scream at the end of the book. "SHE'S MY MATE?" it's not even the real book yet but i'm like ... fangirling now ... imagining about how it's gonna tear me apart having to wait another year for the last book!
Kelly wrote: "Oh gosh, guys, I just had two realizations back to back and I am so excited to share!!FIRST, I was just talking to @Aqsa over on Tumblr and we were talking about Feyre and flying lessons and how ..."
I'm wondering if Feyre is the High Lady of the Human Court. She still has a human heart, making her perfect for the role.
Sasa wrote: "Kelly wrote: "Oh gosh, guys, I just had two realizations back to back and I am so excited to share!!FIRST, I was just talking to @Aqsa over on Tumblr and we were talking about Feyre and flying le..."
I think when she said she had a human heart, it referred to her human emotions. I expect the Fae have grown used to death and murder, especially after wars and Amarantha, but Feyre is still human in the respect that she will be haunted by the lives she took.
On another matter regarding Rhysand, i was reading the character profiles on the ACOTAR wiki pages and i found the following description about Rhys: "His beauty and handsomeness are said to legendary, greater so far than anyone else's in Prythian."
The link can be found here: http://acourtofthornsandroses.wikia.c...
Does anyone know where this had been mentioned: in the book or an interview? Thanks!
Nope. Not in the book at least.
Josa wrote: "My heart will DIE if Rhys ends up with someone else, I WANT HIM"lol
Almost three weeks guys!
*cries*. I'm so excited but worried at the same time. I will just be starting my exams when acomaf comes out. What do you guys do when exams and (extremely addicting) books clash?
CatcherR wrote: "*cries*. I'm so excited but worried at the same time. I will just be starting my exams when acomaf comes out. What do you guys do when exams and (extremely addicting) books clash?"
I give myself challenges like "If I finish this chapter, I would allow myself reading 3 chapters of my book", like a reward haha.
But, truth is, once I started the book, I can't let it down especially if it's a book I want so badly as ACOMAF. I'm a lost cause.
Same for me, I have my exams beginning on May 3rd ( Is it a conspiration against ACOTAR's fan ?) and I know that I won't be able to learn anything as long as I don't finish the book. So I'm like reading it really fast and skipping sleep ^^so I can focus on my exams afterward. And learning lessons is even harder: because you're here with the book next to you and it WATCHES you seeming to say "Lena, Read MEEEEEEE please, I'm so much more interesting than learning law" and eventually it wins....
I have to wait 20 days or more for acomaf to get to me so I'll be forced to focus on my exams, once it's released I'm going to have to avoid tumblr because it'll get hella spoilery. Still tho, it sucks to wait this long.
Beware of Tumblr spoilers guys, FYI.
Yeah, this is going to suck because I lurk on the acomaf tag so much. I 'accidentally' read Frozen Tides when I had a test the next few days. And truthfully, it wasn't as enjoyable as it would have been if I had waited. I felt pressured to read it and really guilty at the same time.
I've found that reading on break, without the exam pressure, is so much more relaxing and nice. So I might just change my shipping or swap it out for a different edition. Even if it means less Rhys in my life for those few days. Gah.
CatcherR wrote: "Yeah, this is going to suck because I lurk on the acomaf tag so much. I 'accidentally' read Frozen Tides when I had a test the next few days. And truthfully, it wasn't as enjoyable as it would ha..."
Thank you for this advice. I have a fluid mechanics final on May 11 so I have to stay strong. I'm planning on giving my boyfriend the unopened shipping box, because if I even hold ACOMAF in my hands I know I'm gonna start reading it.
Lol, I also lurk on the ACOMAF tag on tumblr. Tbh, I spend most of my free time hoping to read more meta.
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Oh my gosh Laura. I mean, I don't like Tamlin but definitely don't want him to die.
Unless he cheats on Feyre of course......