A Court of Thorns and Roses
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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
Well, Aelin had to train with Rowan and we all know where that lead to... ;)Can it be May 3rd yet?
Ah! Cliffhanger! Cliffhanger! The review said Cliffhanger. The last book has me anticipating the next one so much...and that was NOT a cliffhanger. So this one will be and...Gah.
Imagine waiting another year after you finish ACOMAF with a cliffhanger. It's far too painful.
Also, thanks for the review link!
PUBLISHERS WEEKLY ACOMAF REVIEW.http://www.publishersweekly.com/97816...
Here's some Rhys x Feyre scoop. Glad to see its an organic and slow build-up.
Fans may be frustrated by Feyre’s shifting romantic allegiances, but Maas lets the relationship dynamics change organically, and her talent for creating chemistry between her characters (including some fiery sexual encounters) is as strong as ever.
@Sasa- Hot, extreme frustration times that were poignant, making them one of the sexiest couples that still haven't "been" together? Rhys didn't strike me as the same level of gentleman as Rowan. I mean imagine all the innuendo coming from Rhys if Feyre needs him to sleep in the same bed as her like Aelin.@Alyana- Agreed- I love Feyre's proactiveness and that she will want to master her abilities especially if those abilities will help against the ultimate big bad that could pose a threat to the human world (and her family). I look forward to seeing what her ability is and how she will have to achieve it. You also make a great point about Tamlin's inactiveness and it finally hit me why I liked Tamlin best at the festival night, he was active instead of waiting to see (I thought previously the word badass).
I'm kind of surprised about the misogynous culture though because with everyone serving the Queen recently, I would have assumed the faes knew how powerful women could be even if they hate the woman. There's a lot of powerful women in the Hades/Persephone's myth. As you pointed out Persephone and her role in the Underworld (and who seemed to get even Hades to bend the rules every once in awhile); and Demeter herself, who had the ability to wipe out mankind and made Zeus act in the first place when Zeus supported the union and was king of the gods.
Aqsa wrote: "PUBLISHERS WEEKLY ACOMAF REVIEW.http://www.publishersweekly.com/97816...
Here's some Rhys x Feyre scoop. Glad to see its an organic and slow build-up.
Fans may be frustrated by Feyre’s shi..."
HOLY SHIT YES.
Aqsa wrote: "PUBLISHERS WEEKLY ACOMAF REVIEW.http://www.publishersweekly.com/97816...
Here's some Rhys x Feyre scoop. Glad to see its an organic and slow build-up.
Fans may be frustrated by Feyre’s shi..."
That basically confirms everything we have been discussing about guys. Can't hardly wait for this book.
Probably the single greatest thing I've read so far is in the Publishers Weekly review where they talk about Feyre regaining her agency and being an equal to others, and now May can't come soon enough. Also, I want to beg Maas to release the first six chapters ahead of time.
Laura wrote: "I think Tamlin will find out or suspect because of the same reason he hid from his brothers: power shows on your appearance. The more powerful you get, the more difficult to hide."Ohhhh, this is a good point. I think Feyre will try to hide it in the beginning because that's just the way she acts around Tamlin, but eventually he'll notice her becoming stronger and start asking questions. I think this also ties in with the recent review posted from Publishers Weekly where they say at the end that Feyre will prove she stands on equal ground as the High Lords.
Katie wrote: "You also make a great point about Tamlin's inactiveness and it finally hit me why I liked Tamlin best at the festival night, he was active instead of waiting to see (I thought previously the word badass). "
They really aren't compatible! I'll argue with anyone on this. Everything we know about their relationship is from Feyre's point of view, and honestly how can we blame her for thirsting for Tamlin? Of course she will! He's ripped, and probably has an eight pack! But this guy, I really have a bone to pick with him. The EW excerpt showed how he's willing to ignore Feyre's suffering and PW's review said that his overprotectiveness is "stifling". It's his overprotectiveness that eventually led Feyre Under the Mountain in the first place!
I just cannot believe that after consigning his servants to die, a curse placed on all of his people, and the rest of Prythian already lost to Amarantha, he still sent Feyre away. Three days before the deadline. He.......is not a good leader. He may be a good person, and his intention were in the right place, but he barely knew Feyre. He acted so selfish and in the moment, all of Prythian was depending on him to pull through and he completely failed. Just outright gave up. And when he gave up he didn't even attempt to fight Amarantha (this really gets to me too!). He just closed up and basically became a statue.
If he's feeling that guilty at the beginning of ACOMAF, then he absolutely deserves to feel shitty. In my opinion, every proactive thing he did was too little too late.
Tamlin does have a lot of flaws. Inactiveness, overprotectiveness and an intense loyalty to his friends are some of them. And while I do agree with a lot of what is said about Tamlin, I think he was somewhat smart to send her away. She would have been tortured in front of him and, if unlucky, used like Lucien was for Tamlin. Keeping Feyre there would not have done him any good because at that point Feyre was still a little weary of him. She didn't really love him--just was infatuated. Remember, Feyre didn't say 'I love you' until the third trial. It took her three more months to amount to those three words.
Quite honestly, I think he would have kept her longer if it weren't for Rhys's confirmation that she was too stubborn after looking into her mind. And plus, Rhys was a reminder of how easily someone he cared about could get hurt. And so he sent Feyre away because he cared. Keeping her would have doomed them both.
About the ending, I think it should have been Tamlin who should have fought. But one again, he is a protector and follower, not really a fighter.
Also--his desire to protect his friends , he breaks Feyre's door when he comes to retrieve her from her family...because of his intense loyalty to his friends death. If we recall, Amarantha punished him by making him kill off his sentries and then by hurting Lucien. It's his desire to protect his close friends that weakens him. I mean come on, if you want to make a girl fall in love with you--break down her door? Nope, I would sense that Tamlin was very narrow-minded in his approach and only thought about the people he was loyal to.
I can't bring myself to hate him not that I necessary agree with his mannerisms. I think he's a very well-written character, that's for sure.
^It makes you wonder if Rhys had not shown up, if Tamlin would have not sent Feyre away. SO happy by that review. 640 pages is a BIG BOOK and plenty of time for Feyre to shift from Tamlin to Rhysand, especially considering how the time from of under the mountain are affecting them. I personally could see the beginning of the problems at the end of acotar itself.
I have a feeling the cliff hanger will be when Feyre realizes she and Rhys are mates.
I think that she will find out that Rhys and she are mates earlier on. The mate bond is not a big deal to Feyre as it is to the rest of the Fae. But it could happen either way. My guess is that one of them gets captured by the king of hybern or is extremely endangered. It was once said that the third book has hints of war in it. SJM seems to like having wars as her finales for her series (that's where TOG seems to be headed as well).
Or maybe Feyre is pregnant at the end...which would be a great reason for why SJM once said that she couldn't imagine writing more than three three books for a series. It would provide a good incentive for Feyre to be taken to Hybern.
The length of the book is probably perfect for building up numerous other scenarios we haven't thought of.
But overall, the cliffhanger is probably once again Feyre-Rhysand based.
If Feyre is pregnant I may just throw my book across the room. lol Like that can wait until after the training and war and bloodshed, please and thanks. :PBut I heard Sarah say in an interview that some characters go to a prison in book 2. So I think that will probably happen before the end, but maybe it does end with someone being captured. I feel like Feyre being captured is a bit similar to book one, so maybe it's Rhysand. Though with his ability to literally turn to darkness/smoke I find it hard to keep him contained. Unless he willingly went.
If its the king of hyburn, he could probably rob Rhys of those very abilities. My guess is that the prison is in hyburn then. Once we get a peak at the new map, we'll probably be able to figure it out. According to SJM, it's going to be more filled in.
There haven't been any Feyre pics with any indication of a pregnancy. And this is YA/NA...so its very unlikely. But there is a tiny slimmer of chance we'll go Twilight for the last book.
A little off topic, but how often do you think Rhys is spying on Feyre with that Tattoo? And can he sense when Feyre is intimate with someone? That has got to be awkward.
I do not think Feyra is pregnant. I think her vomiting is adjusting to her new body and/or her new powers.I tend to cut Tamlin some slack. Feyra is human in the first book. She knows nothing about this new world she's thrown into. Tamlin knows this and knows human's are fragile compared to fae. He tries to protect her and half the time she doesn't listen. Stay in your room and lock the door on fire night. What does she do? She leaves her room. He is very over protective but for good reason. At some point though he has to let up. She's not human anymore and is learning the ropes. He can't baby her forever which I think will be a big issue in the next book.
Katie wrote: "@Sasa- Hot, extreme frustration times that were poignant, making them one of the sexiest couples that still haven't "been" together? Rhys didn't strike me as the same level of gentleman as Rowan. I..."Exactly those! I also think Rhys is less gentlemanly than Rowan and I like that. Rowan is a little too mannered for my taste, Rhys however is way more fun. I love that he loves to play games!
Virginia, I agree. Tamlin had good reasons to be protective of Feyre when she was human. Though I do think he and Lucien should have taught her at least SOME things, assuming they wouldn't be able to protect her 24/7. But yeah, now that she's more capable, she's going to be very unhappy if he treats her like a china doll.If its the king of hyburn, he could probably rob Rhys of those very abilities. My guess is that the prison is in hyburn then.
Didn't someone say the king could take away abilities? So yeah, maybe he will take all of Rhysand's away. Though I have a feeling Rhys is still pretty badass without them.
But yeah, I think the prison is there. Hybern was described like the pictures labeled "the prison" on Maas's board.
Whoa whoa whoa. Okay this originally said Mor and CASSIAN. Now it says Mor and Azriel?!https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
I'm thinking Mor is with Cassian, but secretly cheating with Azriel or something?!
Also, I think Cassian might be Rhysand's brother. There's pictures of them both young, so they're either long time friends or brothers.
In regards to prison, I think it will probably be a new or background character that gets more time in book two as we have seen the main fae characters and Feyre already in a prison like situation and if it was someone like Rhysand, who already lost his powers except his most basic powers, and spent close to 50 years as a prisoner to the Queen, it would feel too similar. I got the feeling that Mor was going to be Rhysand's mother...
ETA: @Sasa-lol, Rhys is more fun, and I also love the playful side of his personality, though you really should bring your A game to play with him otherwise I have a feeling he gets bored. For some reason, I always picture him as a big cat waiting in the dark at the perfect opportunity to pounce. Poor Feyre, she's going to have one hell off a trainer ;)
http://worldofsarahjmaas.com/post/141..."I closed my eyes at the whisper of a kiss...And all around us, as if the world itself were indeed falling apart, stars rained down."
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOD
I'M DYING PLEASE SEND HELP
because this definitely isn't Feylin.........so.........there's really only one other option.........
Alyana wrote: "http://worldofsarahjmaas.com/post/141..."I closed my eyes at the whisper of a kiss...And all around us, as if the world itself were indeed ..."
YOU JUST MADE MY DAY.
someone get me a fainting couch please thanks
Guys just indulge me for a second but what if Rhys even though he's not a gentleman is soft and loving towards Feyre. Like the whisper of a kiss is because he doesn't want to gulp her down so he's being delicate. Possibly a little nervous because he loves her so much?!
SJM is killing us slowly. So slowly.
TheBookie16 wrote: "Guys just indulge me for a second but what if Rhys even though he's not a gentleman is soft and loving towards Feyre. Like the whisper of a kiss is because he doesn't want to gulp her down so he's ..."I don't think it's BIG love already for him nor nervousness but you know, he is Rhys. I think he likes torturing Feyre instead, you know, give her a tiny hint of what he can do to her and just leave her unsatisfied. Eventually, they will go beyond this little game but I think it's going to be like that at the beginning, much more entertainning ;)
@Mirou I like that what if this scene or something similar happens before Feyre goes back to the spring court. It'll give her even more reasons to come back to the night court as soon as possible. Also can you imagine if this does happen when she goes back she gets a soft kiss then fades into the darkness now Feyre is paranoid someone saw or it's written all over her face. She would be a mess and if Tamlin didn't notice Lucien sure would.
OMG FEYSAND IS REAL *squeals* *fangirls* *faints*
Katie wrote: "In regards to prison, I think it will probably be a new or background character that gets more time in book two as we have seen the main fae characters and Feyre already in a prison like situation ..."Yes, he is the Cheshire Cat personified! I caaaaaan't wait to see what he gets up to!
TheBookie16 wrote: "@Mirou I like that what if this scene or something similar happens before Feyre goes back to the spring court. It'll give her even more reasons to come back to the night court as soon as possible..."
Oh yeees, I can imagine that!
Eeeeeek!! Okay that's definitely Rhysand/Feyre. I love "almost" kiss scenes too. I think there's going to be a lot of teasing and slow building electric scenes between those two. I also think where Tamlin/Feyre is all passionate and rough, Rhys/feyre (at least at first) will be more slow and sensual. Like that scene where he licks her tears.
I just realized that we don't really know how everyone is like when they're not trying to break a 49 year old curse to escape a faerie bitch queen, big deal right?
The tear licking scene was definitely one of my favourite moments between the two. He's trying to bring clarity and cheer her up a bit, while still being his playful dashing self.
I was grossed out the first time I read the tear licking scene but now I think its really funny and cute. He's like a kitty cat who's trying to cheer up his human.
It's all really cute.
I have a feeling the quote is about a dream-like moment like when Feyre was in her cell and she saw the night sky and felt her love was there rather than a real actual moment.Licking thing, always made me think of the movie Cry Baby with Johnny Depp, which is probably why it made me laugh so hard. Also, I kept imagining Feyre's horrified expression and backing the hell away while Rhys being all smug because he got her to stop crying.
Doesn't it seem like the "..." between "the whisper of a kiss" and "And all around us" make it seem like there is more content in between them?
Alyana wrote: "Doesn't it seem like the "..." between "the whisper of a kiss" and "And all around us" make it seem like there is more content in between them?"Ahhh you're right! It might be the case- they deliberately left Rhys' name out and perhaps more details.
Yes I'm sure there's more to it. Usually if there's "..." in there than it's skipping over some parts. :D
I thought the quote was slightly...off but its probably just missing a few parts. That makes so much sense!
CatcherR wrote: "I thought the quote was slightly...off but its probably just missing a few parts. That makes so much sense!"Oh god....now I can't stop imagining what kind of scenario "..." could be (and now I'm entering the realm of headcanons)
Also, we've all assumed Rhysand stumbled at the end because the bond snapped in place, but what if it didn't snap yet but he SAW that it would? If he has the abilities to search memories, maybe he can sometimes catch a person's future? So maybe he saw something in Feyre's future that indicated the bond snapping into place? Or heck maybe he saw the two of them getting married or something.Here's what I'm wondering. If Feyre and Rhysand's mating bond has snapped, then would Tamlin know? Can you sense when someone else is mated? I know in ToG scenting is a thing, so I wonder if say, Rhysand's scent would be on Feyre if they were mated.
We don't know enough about how Maas is going to write mates in this series, obviously. I'm just curious if you can hide being mates with someone, or if there's scents or signs that make it impossible.
This is also curious to me."She would’ve been the one for you, but she is even more stubborn than you.”
Why would Rhysand say this? Because you know he WANTS Feyre to break the curse. It'd be a heck of a lot easier if Feyre just said I love you to Tamlin, right? So why would he say something that would make Tamlin think he's going to fail? That Feyre won't break the curse in time?
Even more so, how does he know this? He turns out to be right. Feyre DOESN'T say she loves Tamlin. But maybe she would have, if Tamlin didn't send her away 3 days early.
It almost sounds like Rhysand said something that would ultimately cause Tamlin to send Feyre away early. And I can't figure out why that'd be in Rhysand's interest.
@WinterRose You asked why would Rhys do that? Well here an excerpt:
“Tamlin’s wrath will be so great that no force in the world will keep him from splattering her on the walls.”
“Why do you think I’m doing this?” He waved a hand to me.
“Because you’re a monster.”
He laughed. “True, but I’m also a pragmatist. Working Tamlin into a senseless fury is the best weapon we have against her.”
If Feyre only broke the curse and Amarantha wasn't killed then she would continue to cause chaos and havoc for the high lords. I don't think this is the sole reason but part of it.
I think Rhys has some power to see the future not well but bits and pieces that's part of why he's so deadly. So maybe he fore-saw Feyre helping defeat Amarantha.
And I love that theory of maybe he saw them as mates. But I don't think Tamlin would really notice if they're were mates anyways. Unless Rhys scent is on her, which I would love to happen like maybe she comes back from the night court and Rhy's scent is entwined with hers.
I think it was more of a Rhys the manipulator at work. After all, he had been with Amarantha for 49 years. Amarantha seems like the type to boast about what she would do to the curse breaker girl. Or people she hates in general.After all he's really good at finding out how to get Feyre to feel better when most people don't seem to get her.
I could see Rhys knowing the future through a fae at night court's abilities. There doesn't seem to be any veiled foreshadowing that he can.
Do you think that the high lords have to pay a price for reviving Feyre?
I think the fury part of the title has to do with the emotion fury. Like maybe the king is furious.
Well, a court of thorns and roses was associated specifically with the spring court. So I think mist and fury will be associated with the night court. My guess on "fury" was that Feyre may be slightly inspired by the furies of Greek mythology. Or Amren, Mor, or some other ladies of the night court will be.As for paying a price, that's a good question. I'm not sure on that one.
If Feyre only broke the curse and Amarantha wasn't killed then she would continue to cause chaos and havoc for the high lords.
True, but remember Rhys seemed pretty angry that Tamlin hadn't been trying (in his mind) to break the curse. So it sounded like he did want Tamlin to break it. If Feyre would have broken the curse, it would have resulted in the same thing that happened when she figured out the riddle. The difference I suppose would be if Tamlin would have come up with a plan of freeing the rest of the high lord's or not.
Remember that part of the curse was that they weren't allowed to reveal to Feyre the nature of the curse and how to break it. Rhys saying what he did was a way to remind Tamlin what he was supposed to be doing IMO and baiting him by pretty much saying that Tamlin couldn't make her fall in love with him. What Rhys said also was a weird statement/his presence that something dangerous was going on but that Feyre and the reader didn't know about and make both us and Feyre wonder what the heck is going on- aka Rhys baiting us as well.
So I was reading something and the Winter Solstice came up in the story. They were hanging mistletoe for the Yuletide and it made me think that maybe the excerpt we got recently might be during the Winter Solstice? Since, you know, it's traditional to kiss under mistletoe. Lol, that would make me squeal so much.But I wonder if Fae celebrate Yuletide along with the Winter Solstice? I mean if they do it'll be a great excuse for all the characters to give gifts to each other.
Alyana wrote: "http://worldofsarahjmaas.com/post/141..."I closed my eyes at the whisper of a kiss...And all around us, as if the world itself were indeed ..."
OMG why am I now seeing this??? OMG..... I know this is Feyre and Rhys!!!!!!! Maas writes like this whenever she is describing their scenes and stars rain down!!! Its the night court! I feel faintish...
@Alyana- I don't see why the Fae couldn't have a winter solstice, and the myth of Persephones was created to explain winter so you may be on to something about the Winter Solstice coming up. I also like the idea that the kiss come from a tradition/harmless requirement where it should mean nothing and be no big deal, only for it to be touching and catching Feyre off guard.
I think Maas said there's some celebration or another for winter solstice in the night court that we may see. Which probably means we WILL see. :)
I'm not sure if everyones seen, but this teaser was released too:"I would have torn apart the world to get you back,"
My first thought was obviously Feyre to Tamlin or vice versa BUT I'm secretly hoping Rhy's says this to Feyre at some point that would be OMFG.
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So there are consequences entailing her transformation into a High Fae, maybe this is why she's vomiting often? I'm also really concerned with the "misogynistic culture" part since stuff like that really gets me boiling, but at least Feyre doesn't take shit. I suspect this will tie in later with the Hades/Persephone mythology, where Hades offers Persephone an equal position as ruler of the Underworld before she leaves to meet her mother, which was a lot considering the culture of old world Greece and that women were basically chattel back then.