A Court of Thorns and Roses
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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
That's a really interesting theory! And it makes sense if it based off the myth, but what would the mist in the title be about? That's another thing I've been wondering...
Lily-Rose wrote: "GUYS! I found this really interesting theory by tumblr user, (cinderashryver.tumblr.com), about Feyre being a FURY...this is what she said and it makes a lot of sense:"Okay, so first of all let m..."
Oh my god
Mind = blown
That is actually a really good theory, that would be so cool ahhhh that's exciting :))))))
We speculated that too! About Feyre being a fury- except personally, the idea doesn't sit well in my head.The Furies were "harbingers of justice, doom and vengeance" and they lived in the underworld and would avenge people's death etc. I don't feel like Feyre is going to embody that.. I don't know- she might, but at the moment I would rule it out.
The Furies have almost always been depicted as three women in most literature. (This could be interpreted as Feyre and her sisters but I highly doubt it is.. I don't see Elain and Nesta playing those roles either... considering Nesta is in one or two pictures on Maas's pinterest, and Elain isn't there at all.)
Maybe the "Fury" in the title of the book does refer to the furies, or more likely, to an underworld of sorts? Not sure on that..
Maas also has the "Fates" on her pinterest- who I remember are different from the Furies. the Fates actually controlled the threads of Fate. Like, they would cut someone's thread if that person was going to die and then go to the underworld.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
Also, one of the strongest reasons why I would rule the 'Feyre is a Fury' theory out, is because ACOMAF will follow the Hades x Persephone storyline- and I just feel like it's inevitable that Feyre will embody Persephone (not character wise, but maybe storyline wise!) And I say that because on pinterest, Maas has pictures of Persephone and she tagged them as "Feyre". And then of course Rhys as Hades.
As for the wings- we've been thinking that Feyre is going to also have a beast of sorts and it will be something akin to Rhysand's beast form. Having wings and what not! Like a Valkyrie.
This is just my input! But great theories. :) Thanks for sharing!
@Laura I agree with that too- she was revived and received power, so her becoming another being wouldn't be as surprising... I still think the mate theory is what left him speechless and shocked. Just knowing what that bond does to two people..
I'd say that had him reeling and running for the hills.
Good theories!Laura, I also wonder how the king of hybern plays into this. I feel like there might be a connection there between him, the night court, and the spring court. (And summer, which I think will play a big role soon too.)
I personally think that Tamlin and Rhysand's relationship is tainted by their fathers' relationship. If Rhys and Tam were ever friends, I think that means that at some point night and spring were allied courts. But something happened to pin the two courts against each other. This is when I'm wondering if the king of hybern comes into play. Maybe the night court DIDN'T want to ally with him and Tam's father did. Amarantha (Hybern's henchman) seemed to have targeted the night court first, too. We also don't know when Rhys became High Lord.
As far as the fury thing, I was wondering if maybe Rhys's mother was a fury - or rather was inspired by the furies. She too has wings in many of the pictures on pinterest.
This is interesting - and something Aqsa mentioned about valkyries.
"In Norse mythology, Mist (Old Norse "cloud"[1] or mist) is a valkyrie. Mist appears in valkyrie list in the Poetic Edda poem Grímnismál and both of the Nafnaþulur valkyrie lists. No further information is provided about her. Rudolf Simek says that her name, Mist, is likely related to Old Norse mistr, meaning "cloud, mist," and that this "reminds us of the way in which valkyries can ride through the air and over water."
There are pictures of Feyre on that pinterest where she looks like she's riding through the air AKA flying. And pictures of valkyrie's too.
Then there's this:
A valkyrie s one of a host of female figures who choose those who may die in battle and those who may live.
If Feyre's powers aren't inspired by a valkyrie, I'm betting Amren's will be. Many of her pictures have ravens.
"Valkyries also appear as lovers of heroes and other mortals, where they are sometimes described as the daughters of royalty, sometimes accompanied by ravens and sometimes connected to swans or horses."
I hope Amren and Feyre become besties and train together and just slay everyone on the battlefield. lol
I'm going to get back to you guys on all those points once I'm back from uni!But agree on the crow thing- it definitely is a highlight in the story!
Maas just posted this too- haha https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
Yes, I think the summer court will be inspired by those Egyptian images.Laura, I think Mor and Cassian are a thing. Maybe Mor and Amren are related to the valkyrie's. Or maybe Cassian is Rhys's brother. There's images of young Rhys and Cassian, so they've known each other since they were teens. They're either old friends or brothers.
My hunch was that Cassian was ruling in Rhys's absence, maybe his second in command. But that could very well be Azriel, too. I'm excited to meet these new delicious night court men.
I think Rhysland 'imprinted' on Fayre! (or whatever they call it in this series haha)Which will certainly make things interesting in the next book....
Doesn't anyone think it's unfair how Tamlin pretty much HAD to fall in love with Feyre to break the curse?
What are the chances someone finally fits the requirements and ALSO falls in love with you?
It seems a bit forced, maybe this will create problems between them later in the series or maybe there's more to it.... ??
Technically I don't think Tamlin had to fall in love with her. He needed a human to fall in love WITH HIM. :P I agree, it felt a bit convenient, though we don't know how many (or do we?) killed one of his friends but never ended up loving him in return, and thus didn't break the curse.
I think the problem with Tamlin and Feyre's relationship was that it happened too fast. He was out all day trying to keep Amarantha's monsters at bay, so Feyre spent all of her days walking around and trying to find a way to get back to her old life, then we hit almost half of the book and bam! He was showing her his paintings and clushing and they went out swimming. It wasn't the smoothest transition ever.
Tam wouldn't go as far a try to own Feyre or keep her from doing stuff, but I think the marriage is a way to get her out of her deal with Rhysand. He was desperate to do so and maybe he thinks that by marrying her he won't have a claim on her?
About Feyre being a celebrity, I thought so too! Though I'm not sure what they'll make of her, considering how she used to be human?
Tam wouldn't go as far a try to own Feyre or keep her from doing stuff, but I think the marriage is a way to get her out of her deal with Rhysand. He was desperate to do so and maybe he thinks that by marrying her he won't have a claim on her?
About Feyre being a celebrity, I thought so too! Though I'm not sure what they'll make of her, considering how she used to be human?
Rhysand = Ian Somerhalder ....dark and dreamy:)
Laura wrote: "I honestly have no idea how they're going to treat her now. She saved them all from Amarantha so maybe she'll be like a legend but then she used to be human. And there is also the fact she sold her..."That's a really good point. I sense some political overtones in the next book.
Laura wrote: "Also, I don't think Lucien's brothers will suddenly forget about all that dirty dancing they watched and start to treat her like a heroine. It seems to me that Feyre was very beautiful as a human, ..."Tamlin will be there to protect her then. So as Rhysand, but then Feyre is quite a strong, independant woman who can take care of herself especially now that she has powers, no one will dare mess with her. I hope....
Do you think the marriage is more of a protection of the spring court thing, or because he is genuinely fond?I'm not sure. Instinct tells me he does love her, but it's so hard to really know because of the curse situation. He HAD to show affection toward her in order for her own affection for him to grow. But he did send Feyre away before the curse was up and my question is why? It was after Rhys showed up that he sent her away. Why not wait until those three days were up?
Yielding his power to Amarantha made her nearly unstoppable with power--she then had all the high lord's under her control. Perhaps Tamlin's plan at that point was just to give himself up and find a way to take her down from the inside. But then Feyre showed up to save the day.
I don't think Lucien's brothers will suddenly forget about all that dirty dancing they watched and start to treat her like a heroine.
I don't think Lucien's brothers are meant to be in any shape or form good people--and we know they hate Lucien. So even if Feyre didn't do the dancing if she's associating with Lucien, they won't like her.
I'm curious what Rhys will use as the reason Feyre being there to his court. What will he tell Cassian and the others? "This is Feyre, the one who freed our courts. She's going to marry Tamlin, High Lord of Spring, but come here once a week every month. Be nice?" lol Like there's no reasoning there--what's the point of her going to the night court every month?
At this point he's either doing it 1) to spite Tamlin, 2) he enjoys Feyre's company or 3) he needs her something. Perhaps a combo of some of these things of course, too.
Whatever is true motive, I'm curious what motive he'll give other members of his court.
Have we discussed what her name could mean in all this? When she meets Amarantha, she said Feyre's name was ancient fae but we never learned the meaning. Could this have something to do with who/what she is or will be?Also, another thing that ties with that is in the beginning of the book when Tamlin asks her if her mother ever "tell you about us"? With her sister Nesta's ability to block the magic of Tamlin, and Elain's ability to grow and nurture plant life, could this be a clue of maybe their hereditary status? Maybe there is some fae/magic blood in there?
We also don't know what happened to the bone and eye trinkets. Maybe Rhys has it, and somehow it can communicate with the holder? Or maybe his captured essence was released and when Feyre was made immortal their essences combined? Could explain his freak out at the end?
I honestly just hope there's not a love triangle or Rhys/Feyre bond hahaha <3
idk if this is an unpopular opinion but i'm gonna go ahead and say it- I wasn't a fan of Tamlin. I preferred Rhysand. Rhys FTW.
Am I the only one who wants the books to have a love triangle? or....
I want a love triangle too...where Rhys gets the girl ;)
Vinnie wrote: "I want a love triangle too...where Rhys gets the girl ;)"Yassssss
Lauren wrote: "Have we discussed what her name could mean in all this? When she meets Amarantha, she said Feyre's name was ancient fae but we never learned the meaning. Could this have something to do with who/wh..."On the subject of her name, I want to say that it means "beauty" if only because this is a retelling of Beauty and the Beast. "Fey" is also a another way of saying "fae" which are sometimes referred to as the Fair Folk. In short, the fae are considered beautiful and referred to as such so it would not surprise me if "feyre" was and ancient way of saying beauty or beautiful.
I just finished this book today and wrote my review... Mating bond all the way. It would be a beautiful way to complicate things :) :) :)The mention of the mating bond at the beginning of the book is an example of foreshadowing. It's called Chekhov's gun. It wouldn't be there if the author didn't intend to shoot it later on in the book.
It could turn out to be some sort of catalyst, maybe determine who will end up standing at Feyre's side to protect the human realm and who will go over to join the King of Hybern in bitterness, maybe?
Kyndal wrote: "I really liked Rhysand. But him with Feyre? Nooooo. He needs someone more badass :D"Trueeeeee
@Gabrielle - I believe he was alluded to in the "...a greater evil looms" part of the US summary.
@Gabrielle - Same!! I think he probably will take action, not directly show himself though, he might send one of his generals to wreak havoc and get revenge for Amarantha.
In the ending of the book (which i loved) i think that Rhys might have scented her as his true mate. Many of people are saying that but other people are saying everything else with Tamlin would be a waste if she went to Rhys instead. However i think that Feyre will change ALOT as a high fae. I don't want to make any analogies that might anger people but i have an example. Maybe it will be like in The Vampire Diaries Tv show. When Elena became a Vampire she started loving the other brother because her personality and beliefs changed, she really changed as a person. Maybe what Sarah was trying to do was show us the change in Feyre from human to high Fae. Trying to show the readers why humans fear them as we watch Feyre react to becoming Fae, watching her transform into something complete different from what she has always known. Just a thought but feel free to comment.
Yes, and I think we already see Feyre is changed by the end of the book. She's more distant and closed off, and you can see that she's struggling to cope with everything that's happened.I know a lot of people think Feyre wouldn't leave Tamlin because of everything that's happened, but I personally think it's BECAUSE of those things that she may not end up with him. If she had never gone under the mountain, she wouldn't have bonded with Rhys the way she did--physically and emotionally/mentally.
Everything that happened under the mountain will likely affect Feyre more than everything that happened at Tamlin's estate. And therefore, IMO, will hold more weight going into the next story.
I think Feyre is going to put up a wall as she struggles to move on, a wall that only Rhys will manage to break through. I may be wrong, but the end of ACOTAR already showed Feyre opening up to Rhys when she shut Tamlin down. (Talking about the past events, that is. She talked to Rhys; she silenced Tamlin.)
Reading all these comments and feeling like....***For God's sake just gimme the second book already!!!***
I thought you'd all be interested in my review for this book... I'll leave the link in case any of you are! :3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyB5q...
It's too long of a wait! Here's what I think:
1) Mate Bond
I didn't actually know what to think of it the first time I read the book. But, the second time around, I saw a lot of foreshadowing. Plus, look at the way they describe Rhysand in the two summaries we have so far. Maybe is not a mate bond, but there will probably be a triangle.
2) Feyre's Powers
Okay, this is the part that I'm really excited about. The UK summary, which is a lot more straightforward, says that she must 'embrace her powers'. The normal summary says "harness her harrowing gifts"
Why would she not want to embrace them? And harness them? I think that means they might be a little out of her control.
Saying that the Mate theory is true. She is supposedly the "equal, match in every way" of whomever is her mate. So if it is Rhysand (like I think it is), this would mean she has powers that rival his mind control. Personally, if I were an author, I would make these powers super dramatic and foreshadow her allegiance with night court. I think the powers will bring Rhys and Feyre together.
Here are some theories of what power might be:
-Weird star-related powers. I saw a couple of pins with light in someones hand. This might be Feyre. I'm just going to call them 'star powers' because I have no idea what they could mean. I mean stars are basically light. But that would be something more common in day court or dawn court. Besides, star powers don't seem that interesting. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of this theory. However, there are plenty of mentions about stars and Feyre in the book but it doesn't make any sense to me. But,How would that be a 'harrowing'? And why would she have to 'harness' it? They don't seem that 'evil'. I'm hoping that her powers are 'evil'. Besides, I've never heard of a character with astral powers in a book before!
-Ability to see the past. We see a lot of younger versions of Night Court members on pinterest so maybe Feyre has the power to see the past. It would be a good plot device since the book is written in first person. It would make sense why we see a lot of Rhysand's past on the board. Also, she might hate spring court because of all the slaves that were once there and being forced to see all that would be awful. Thus, making her drawn to night court.
-Illusions. Like that girl from 'The Young Elites'. Feyre is an artist and can probably manipulate light and darkness to her advantage.
-Make people go insane. Why if when she is mad, she can make people lose their mind? This would explain the 'fury' part of the title. People at spring court would be less accepting then those of night court. I'm currently writing a book about a girl with similar powers so I'm a big fan of this theory.
I'm super curious to know what type of powers she has. What do you think her powers are?
Awesome theories!I've been wondering about the star pinterest images too. Light was the only thing I could think of, the ability to manipulate light. But that's not really "harrowing." The stars could just be symbolism for Feyre feeling as though she belongs in the night court.
Consider Rhys can see the past through memories, what if Feyre can see the future? That'd be a very powerful power that I could see many courts wanting her to use.
I'll be back with more thoughts later. :D
Hmm, i just realized, if Rhys is the Night Court High Lord, doesn't that mean he has starry powers too. Prob he doesn't display them much cos darkness is more masculine than glittery stars. Hmm, possible power theory: based on Ruin and Rising, since a star is a sun and is hence a flaming ball of gas, maybe Rhys can harness the power of stars to become a burning light. Though this is unlikely and is prob a day court power.
Yeah, I agree. Light powers don't seem to belong. Love the theories! Oh, I totally forgot about the future-seeing powers! That would be a good compliment to the other powers we have seen.
-Astral Projection: She can spy on the other courts! Move through the court systems and find out what the king is plotting. I can totally see Rhysand using Feyre for this. Maybe it even allows you to time travel. Like I mentioned earlier, time travel would be very useful in this type of book. Especially due to the fact that the our male characters are great at keeping secrets. Feyre will probably have to break so many walls.
Or maybe it will be good old fashioned oracle sight seeing. Maybe she can read the stars or something. Personally, I think that would be a stupid catch to the power. Another thing about reading the future is how much of it will she see and what exactly. If it tells us the really important parts. Foresight is a somewhat hard power to write. I'm not sure I'm a big fan of it.
On some websites it said the Persephone could see into a persons desires. That would be interesting...
In Throne of Glass, we see a different set up. However, the characters Celaena and Feyre are actually very similar. The only difference is that we see all the insecurities in Feyre amplified because of the first person. They have the same personality type.
In Throne of Glass, Celaena's fiery personality is matched by her powers. Also, she did not accept her fae form for a really long time. Also, she has cool fighting powers. She has weird emotional related outbursts too.
So from my experience with the author...I think those ideas will be repeated. Feyre will probably have a power that allows her to fight and be very reluctant to accept them. Since the other fae have grown up with their powers, it will be interesting to see her get them all at once.
Very intriguing theories guysIn order to revive feyre, each of the high lords bestowed a piece of their essence ,or whatever that sparkly thing was ,upon her. I think feyre's power might be a bit of all the high lords' powers combined.
Like Tamlin's shapeshifting, rhysand's mind reading/control thing and so on, whether it be slightly diluted or in a different manner with similar potency. I dunno. Just my guess. Though this would make feyre very very powerful.
Or maybe she just received minor powers from all the lords, but when she mashes them together, it becomes a unique powerful force together.
I personally feel like there just isn't enough time for her to master that many powers, if say she got abilities from each court--making that SEVEN abilities. :/ My hunch was that instead, she'd affiliate with one court and seem to take on powers from such court. Whether because it was random, or because her personality best matched that court. If my theory was correct, I'm definitely thinking it will be the night court she affiliates with.
When rhysand looked at feyre and stumbled i thought that he had seen someone else in in her face. Someone like amarantha. Because she could have possibly used some magic and hopped bodies when tamlin had gone after her and that body was feyre and she could just be sitting there holed up plotting her revenge and when feyre and rhysand were talking she had let herself be seen to keep rhysand in line possibly?
I think the foresight theory is correct. In ACOTAR, she has a dream about Amarantha and can see night court in a musical vision. Foreshadowing! Foresight! Rhysand's powers to read minds would come in handy if she wants to share the confusing visions with someone else. Anyway, I like the idea of powers with visions and driving people mad. Sarah tends to go deep in mythology so maybe that will be it. I hope that she does not make Feyre a sitting duck. Having the power to see the future seems boring in comparison. Personally, I would find it really boring if there was no action-aspect of her powers. Am I the only one bored by foresight powers with no offensive aspect to them?
In regards to the personality thing, they are different characters. Aelin is more prone to violence and has a looser moral code. But here are a few (okay, a lot of) reasons why I think they alike...
It's their method of thinking. Feyre looses her temper a lot often with people she is comfortable with (Tamlin and Rhysand) a lot. Yes, Celaena is more open with her emotions, but that is because she is usually the most powerful one in the room. Celaena can get away with it without any fear.
I see a lot of parallels as a big fan of the myer-briggs test. Aelin is an INTJ while Feyre is an INFJ/INTJ. Sarah J. Maas is an INFJ so it would make sense for her to write her characters with similar personalities (especially in first person). The point of view (third person v. first person) highlights their differences. Feyre comes off more emotionally raw than Aelin. I don't want to spoil the series for anyone, but Aelin does undergo a very tough period when she has to contemplate her role as a leader. We only get a few scenes of that. If it were written in first person, we would see the internal conflict. So it may come off to people that they are quite different, but instead it is the point of view that obscures their similarities.
I would say that first person is used commonly to develop and grow the main character. Characters with internal struggles like 'light vs. dark' or a coming of age story. The characters in the Throne of Glass series are more distant to the reader and more 'solid' in a sense. To me, the main differences is their motivations, desires and views on life. However, their thinking and logical skills are very similar.
I seem some similarities in many of the characters, not just Feyre and Aelin. But what's interesting to me is that Maas sorted her characters into Hogwarts houses. Aelin was Gryffindor and to my surprise, she placed Feyre (And Rhys, not a surprise) in Slytherin. I think Feyre is going to wind up a bit darker than she started out.About foresight. I feel like this can be a difficult power to write about. There's also the factor of choice. Is the future vision set in stone, or is a product of a set of decisions that must go exactly one way to achieve that vision? As in, how set are these visions and can they change?
But it is certainly interesting that Feyre seemed to almost have some sort of foresight BEFORE she was turned into a high fae. She painted those doors, which could reflect where her and her sisters will end up. She saw Amarantha, and she had that vision in her cells of what I assume is the night court, where "the one she loved" was there.
I think she will turn a lot darker. Maas mentioned that Aelin has quite a bit of Slytherin in her. However, I think that as of the current books, she is Gryffindor. Yeah, we never see too many characters with foresight. Actually, I don't think I have ever read a book where the main character has that ability. I think it will be a more solid yet all consuming thing. Its very interesting to see how she will do it. I wonder how far ahead she will be able to see. Will she be able to see years ahead or just a few days? Can she control what she sees? I think she will have to learn to fight her overwhelming emotions (or reactions) to these visions to be able to control them. That is where her time at night court may come in. We have seen that Rhys can effectively keep Feyre from breaking. All of that emotion she will have to deal with might make her darker than she already is.
As a character, Feyre is quite perceptive and able to see how things will come into play. I think the powers would actually work with her character quite well. And since she is a painter, she may be able to draw her visions. Battlefields and important people, maybe?
Yeah, Maas debated a little on Aelin's house, but Feyre was an instant Slytherin. (She was asked this question verbally so I heard her response) It surprises me there was no hesitation on Feyre, but again she knows Feyre beyond ACOTAR (which is all we know so far, is what we see of her in book one.)I haven't read too much with foresight. Alice Cullen comes to mind, though she wasn't a main character. According to Meyer, "As characters make choices, they're narrowing down which visions can actually happen. Alice sees flashes of the future possibilities coming from the choices they've made. But if they make different choices, it becomes a whole new future." Which I think is a good take on foresight, so it's not always set in stone. But maybe Maas's take will be different and Feyre's visions are the final product of a set of choices. Or maybe she just doesn't see them that far in advance.
Lol watch us be wrong and this whole discussion is void. :P
I think having her draw her visions makes a lot of sense. Maybe she can even create the future by painting them. Which is both really powerful and very dangerous.
Yeah. I really hope she turns a little more...evil. Evil is fun. I'm so sick of all the selfless goody-two-shoe main characters. I think it will be a little different. Her gifts are probably a little bit different from the usual stories. The whole series is about fairy tale interpretations so her power is probably based on one that we have never heard of.
So yeah, there is a HIGH chance that we are completely and utterly wrong...sigh.
Haha. Anyway, I'm a little curious about how the faerie world works and what everyone will end up doing.
I don't think that Rhys will tell Feyre that they are mated. She's probably going to have to figure it out on her own.
Though I have to say I am curious about what Tamlin and Lucien think about Rhys. While he is redeemed in Feyre's eyes, I wonder if they still hate him. In that dining room scene, they absolutely hated him. Also, the whole dancing with Feyre did not help. Do they know he was doing all that for his land? If so, do they still hate him for it?
The whole bride-stealing thing probably won't win him any favors.
I don't know!! The ending had me very surprised and confused.I think it's either he smelt something on her that had to with her background/power or something personal (like maybe mate?). All I know is I want to know!! Its killing me. But I love Rhysand anyways.
So I just finished the book and I have a lot of thoughts and feelings percolating in my mind. I'm sorry for the repeats and jumbled thoughts that will follow!The relationship of Tamlin and Feyre consisted of the fact that he gave her everything she wanted, and she fell for it because she never had anyone take care of her. Shelter, food, painting? You got it! I noticed also that at times she felt uncomfortable telling him something dark because she thought he would judge her. I'm not even talking about towards the end. Tamlin has this slight holier than thou attitude, even though I think he has a lot of skeletons in the closet. She only became more comfortable around him when he rescued her that first time after her Suriel capture. I like Tamlin. But he just doesn't work with Feyre. Not to mention how reckless he can be with Feyre and his people. It's not that he doesn't do anything. It's just that he doesn't consider others at times and can also be quite selfish and temperamental. And considering that he is supposed to love Feyre, her well being should come first. And here's the thing: Feyre didn't need anyone to take care of her. She needed someone to SEE her.
On the other hand we have Rhysand. I immediately noticed what was repeated several times throughout the book was that Feyre could talk to him openly. She couldn't help it and didn't care much either. It was repeated to the point where I think it's significant, considering she couldn't do that with Tamlin, but with Lucien it was easier. She doesn't hide who she is and she's more comfortable with him. I also think that lever scene was a big foreshadowing to a third love interest. Just the way that it was written. Also note the sparks and chemistry she has with him, but it's not the same case with Tamlin. I don't want to talk about him saving her and such because those were his own ambitions. But sometimes it was because Tamlin was just too selfish and lacked perception. I think the bigger things to compare will come with the next book.
So for the next book: Concerning her gifts, something to do with telling the future perhaps? Her dream was very prophetic and also repeated throughout the book. But I don't think she will become evil. Darker? Yes, But not necessarily in a full blown evil way. Not all Slytherins are bad and I think she may go into ambiguous territory. I also think that she will retreat within herself to cope with what she did and also her new powers that will be hard to control. I think she will realize that try as she might, she does have ghosts and demons and that it's part of who she is. She will not discuss this with Tamlin, but use sex as a diversion. Particularly because she feels she can't tell him or he'll look at her differently or not understand. The night court will be a blessed retreat, but I think it'll be the cause of a lot of political turmoil. As for that ending... I do think he saw her as a mate in that moment most likely. And either he sees glimpses of the future or he is very perceptive because Rhysand seemed to know about Feyre before Tamlin. But back to that ending. It is something that has to REALLY shake Rhysand. Seeing her with glorious powers? Not enough. Evil? Nope. Mate? Considering his history, that would shock him. And it makes sense for him to avoid her until he can face it. Which is why there was a synopsis that he will come to claim her for a week on her wedding day? Apropos lol. But I agree with others that he won't tell her. I think they will both cope with their past in the next book. Last thing to point out is that Sarah made the riddle blindingly obvious to readers but not the narrator. I think this is the same thing. We will see and realize something before Feyre particularly because she didn't have a normal life and doesn't process emotions the same. She avoids them. Hence, so many foreshadowing.
Laura wrote: "Olya wrote: "So I just finished the book and I have a lot of thoughts and feelings percolating in my mind. I'm sorry for the repeats and jumbled thoughts that will follow!The relationship of Taml..."
Your first point is a very good one. I forgot to look outside her POV on Tamlin more. But I think regarding Rhysand it started from the beginning. Yes, she was poor and illiterate when she came to Tamlin's castle. But they actually never had a real conversation worth having. She was always careful around him and of what to say. And while he might not outright judge her, I trust her feeling. Why? When she first met Rhysand, despite him scaring the crap out of her, she still couldn't help but ask him questions. He saved her life for a moment. Tamlin gave her food and shelter and saved her. So why is she still comfortable with Rhysand without even knowing the guy? And she thought he was the most beautiful man she ever saw. Wouldn't that make her awkward? Maybe there was already some connection or something in place. It's always repeated how she can't help herself around him, even from the start. Or maybe he brings it out of her because of his powers. Like Tamlin has brute strength and so maybe she sensed that and kept quiet? She seems to see the future and I bet that will be one of her gifts.
And that's another thing. Lucien hated her guts. Why did she bond with him better? The more I think on it, I think she senses who people are. She knew what the attor looked like before she saw it. And I agree about the bonding between Rhysand and Feyre. I like that it's not insta-love and that they actually became friends in a way in the end.
The synopsis for next book is that she'll be in the night court and she is also going to be attempting to harness her powers. I bet anything that Rhysand will help her. I think she'll either have something from each court, or something similar to his.
What I think is that he used to be a bad person but has now changed.Maybe not even bad per say, but a skilled soldier who has a high body count from his war days. Rhys refers to Tamlin as once being a "brutal war-band leader."
And what's interesting is the next line is "Lucien INTERRUPTED." When you interrupt someone, it's so they stop talking. So this comes across almost like Lucien stopped Rhys from saying more things that Feyre ultimately would not be happy to hear.
We know Amarantha was friends and allies with Tamlin's father--so if Tam was part of the war, then unless he was fighting against his father (which he wasn't) then he was fighting with his father. What if Tamlin has a past that includes slaughtering humans? That indeed would put a wedge between Feyre and Tam. Even if he's changed, she might struggle to trust him depending on his past.
Considering the first part of his insult was "he would sooner take a human to his bed, sooner marry a human, than ever touch her." And if Tam hated humans, then it's a very deep insult to Amarantha.
Because Lucien is her friend. Rhys is somewhat of a confidant/ally. But Tamlin is simply her lover.Agreed 100%.
And Rhys scared the shit out of her, but he was also charming and alluring at the same time. Tamlin not only scared her, but pissed her off from the start. Rhys didn't really piss her off then. And he didn't have her family's fate resting on him--Tamlin told Feyre if she left, her family wouldn't be cared for. That's enough right there for her to tiptoe around him so he doesn't throw her out and thus, leave her family without care.
But yes, something about Rhys even from the start made Feyre comfortable enough to speak her mind. And she's been that way around him ever since.
I bet anything that Rhysand will help her. I think she'll either have something from each court, or something similar to his
I'm leaning toward it associating with the Night Court. Ironically, Feyre mentions the Night Court is known as the court of darkness and starlight. There's an awful lot of pictures of a girl playing with stars/being surrounded by stars on Sarah's pinterest. If Rhys represents darkness, maybe Feyre represents the starlight.
New Feyre theoryWe're all assuming Feyre can see the future, but what if she can see the past? I was thinking how Dumbledore's plan to stop Voldemort began with him looking into the past.
Maybe the key to beating Hybern is the same, and requires Feyre to look into the past. Rhys can do that too, but it seems he has to be in the persons's presence to get into their head. Maybe Feyre has some ability that allows her to see anyone's past--maybe she needs an object of theirs or something idk lol.
Heck maybe she can see both.
But it might explain why there's pictures of young Rhys and Cassian on Sarah's board. Maybe it's just a reference, or maybe their past is mentioned verbally. But maybe Feyre actually SEES that past.
The thing is, this can go in either way depending on Tamlin's relationship with his father at the time. Feyre stated that she felt a connection to Tamlin because they both do what needs to be done (funny enough it's actually Rhysand that does). So when she finds out, she will ask why and how. After all, she killed animals and faeries because she had to. And she felt really awful about Andras to the point where she couldn't apologize to him for a while. And even then, she couldn't do it enough. I just don't remember what he said about his father, but I think this context will be really important. Also because Feyre actually mentions that as a reason for not being able to open up to him. She sees him as this person who grew so much and that her thoughts are too dark. It will be interesting to see how that changes. It'll either be positive or negative and Sarah likes to keep things interesting.I think the Night court definitely isn't just darkness. Her dream/vision is proof of that (if indeed it really is the NC). I think there are different aspects just like in any other court,
WinterRose wrote: "New Feyre theoryWe're all assuming Feyre can see the future, but what if she can see the past? I was thinking how Dumbledore's plan to stop Voldemort began with him looking into the past.
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This is what's used in the synopsis: "But only if she can harness her harrowing gifts". Notice: harrowing. So something very disturbing or distressing. And gifts. More than one. So we have high fae powers, and then these gifts. Mutual or exclusive can't say for sure. But the way it's worded seems like this is extra and a doozy. So what can cause her big distress? Mind reading and seeing the future is definitely my top choice. Both would require ability to control it or you can go crazy. Mind reading especially. But seeing the past too. Maybe if she concentrates on someone and that's how she would see their past. I don't know. There are so many options. She saw something resembling Amarantha in her dreams, and guessed the attor's appearance correctly. Pretty big coincidences.
And another thing to note: It has to be big enough to rival King Hybern in some way. Something that could stop him.
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"Okay, so first of all let me explain that Furies are winged humanoid (fairy like) creatures from Greek mythology that were servants of Hades and Persephone and always strongly linked to them in legends, (The myth of Hades and Persephone is the fable that ACOMAF is based on).
Secondly, Sarah J Maas said there was a hidden meaning behind the ACOMAF title that she couldn’t tell us about. ‘A court of mist and fury’. Fury is literally in the title of the book.
Next, Sarah J Maas has been posting a lot of photos of Feyre with wings on her pintrest. In all Fury mythology, Furies have wings. And we already know Rhys has wings.
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So, what I’m thinking is that at the end of ACOTAR when Rhys looked over at Feyre, he saw something. Something that couldn’t be seen when she was human, but now it could be seen. Maybe when he looked at her, he saw a fury. And maybe no one else can see it because they’re not from the Night court and they don’t have the same abilities Rhysand has, since he is after all, a high lord."
The mate theory is still my personal fave, but this would also make a lot of sense?