doesn't anyone else hate this book?

[Scott]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "I mentioned the term "widely accepted fairytale" just because some kid believes in fairies that doesn't make them "possible to exist" but Christianity is a religion, not mythology and many people b..."

So...the number of people who believe makes it real?

[Zachary]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "Zachary wrote: "Anamika wrote: "Claire wrote: "Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "It's expressing his opinions using fantasy WITHOUT making it clea..."

Why should he have made it clear? Or rather, he did make it clear. Clear enough that millions of readers understood it, anyways, while a small % of religious individuals crucified these books (pun semi-intended) without reading or paying close enough attention.

If you don't enjoy the books I'm not trying to make you, they are purely for entertainment. It's just frustrating how many religious folk rail so hard against a book that is only trying to knowledge the DANGERS of religion. Shouldn't religious people want to also acknowledge and therefore avoid repeating such dangers? That's clearly why so many religious groups mobilized against the book/movie; they don't want to lose power.

[Scott]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "Many kids believe in Santa Claus. Is he real? No. Is he worshipped? No. Not a religion, so it's not wrong to write a book about him!"

So worshipping something makes it real?

[Jo]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "I mentioned the term "widely accepted fairytale" just because some kid believes in fairies that doesn't make them "possible to exist" but Christianity is a religion, not mythology and many people b..."

At one point, people really believed fairies existed tho.

[Scott]

Mimi wrote: "People who believe in thoughtforms might believe this. Not sure if Babafaba does though. But It's an interesting belief, that human faith and..."

Thanks for your serious response to my leg-pulling post. I have seen this concept in fiction but did not know it was a serious belief in reality. Interesting.

[Scott]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "Oh, Scott, if you prefer to isolate small parts of my posts and read only them, of course they will sound illogical. I've already explained what you asked me but you don't seem able to read whole p..."

Your entire posts are illogical; I merely cut to the heart of the illogicality.

[Nyanka]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "but Christianity is a religion, not mythology and many people b..."

Mythology are the stories that come with the religion. Christianity has its own mythology just every other religion, the stories of Abel&Cain, Noah, and Eden are the Christian Mythology.
Side Note: The Christian Mythology takes many of its roots from the Roman Mythology which in turn took its mythology from the Greeks. PLAGIARISM!!! :D You've got to love the zealots.

[Scott]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "That gives me more proof that you think you're flawless and above the others. Instead of considering my thoughts, you merely regard them as illogical because you liked the book. Oh, by the way, I'm..."

No, I regard your thoughts as illogical because they are illogical. We are barely discussing the book, if at all.

[Nyanka]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "Rachael wrote: "Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "but Christianity is a religion, not mythology and many people b..."

Mythology are the stories t..."


Yeah they are, The Scottish, Irish, Norse, Wiccan and many others believe heavily in faeries and incorporate them in their religion's mythology.
WTF, don't be close minded about other peoples religions and beliefs, there are millions of religions out there and you think that not a one of them have faeries in them? Go back to your hole.

[Scott]

[Nyanka]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "You think you know it all, don't you? Well, maybe you think that the Greeks believe in the 12 Olympian gods too. I AM greek and we are Christians. Big shock for you, wasn't it? I'm surprised you kn..."

That's the stupidest thing to come out of your mouth yet, and also very presumptuous of you to think that I would think that.
The leading religion in the world is Christianity and Catholicism meaning that the majority of the world believes in God and Jesus.

However, being the type of person that I am, which is free-thinking and open-minded I do not for one second doubt that some people still follow those ancient religions, and in fact call it that instead of mythologies. The world is a big place and you can't say anything is for certain.
And again I will repeat: Go back to your hole.

[Laurent]

Many people dislike it because it ridicules the church and thus they think it is satanic, which it isn't. Apart from that, there are not really any disadvantages of the book: it is well written, the story is interesting and the plot is well crafted.

[Laurent]

I'm not judging the book. It's on of my favourite series!

[Claire]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "Mimi, I didn't even know what Hypnopompic hallucinations were(I read that blog and now I know). And okay, I'll try to read His Dark Materials to see for myself how he presents the "killing of God"."

Are you SERIOUSLY telling us that you people are tearing this book to shreds (figuratively!) and branding it inappropriate for its CONTENT and half of you haven't actually even read it? Do the words primary sources mean anything to anyone?! *headdesk*

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "Rachael wrote: "Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: "You think you know it all, don't you? Well, maybe you think that the Greeks believe in the 12 Ol..."

I fail to see how it matters how many followers a belief has. There is no solid proof that any God was ever present on Earth. On mt Olympus or anywhere else. There is no actual solid proof that the crucifixion of Jesus ever happened. Why, when there is no proof of either should anyone insist that anyone else is a fool for believing something and they themselves are not. Personally I think everyone who believes that anyone who doesnt pray is going to hell is a psycho but meh... Their lives.

[Nyanka]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore)))

So, to some people what you call mythology is their religion doesn't matter what you think of them. Everyone is allowed to their own opinion.
I personally dislike Christianity, I think it has too bloody of a history, it advocates discrimination between people, has repressed other religions, and its mythology was plagiarized from the Romans. Not the type of religion I'd like to follow, doesn't mean I'm going to start calling all Christians and bible toters "psycho" like you so rudely did to other people.

BTW there are more than twelve olympian gods.

[Scott]

Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore))) wrote: " I've climbed mt. Olympus and guess what? No gods up there!"

None up in the heavens, either.

[Claire]

This is just getting ridiculous. There's just no reasoning with some people. They can dish it out (Your beliefs are wrong because they are different from mine.) but they can't take it (Oh noes! How dare you call my beliefs wrong!!!).

[Claire]

Rachael wrote: "Babafaba(Hypnos)((Awesome Bob))(((Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore)))

So, to some people what you call mythology is their religion doesn't matter what you think of them. Everyone is allowed to their own opinion.
I personally dislike Christianity, I think it has too bloody of a history, it advocates discrimination between people, has repressed other religions, and its mythology was plagiarized from the Romans. Not the type of religion I'd like to follow, doesn't mean I'm going to start calling all Christians and bible toters "psycho" like you so rudely did to other people."

And this is my point exactly. THANK you Rachael for injecting some sense.

Cool, there's two Claires here. This could get nicely confusing :P

[Nyanka]

Did you know that Atheists have churches. I once saw a commercial advertising it on the tv. A friend of mine, who is an atheist, even finds this weird. What are they doing in there? :D

[Scott]

Probably more like a community room.

[Elaine]

I had no interest in reading these books until I heard they were banned. As usual the books did not live up to the hype. They are not in any way anti-religious, they are merely secular. But the same folks that think Harry Potter and The Lord of the Rings are anti-religious hate this one too. I don't care about the authors beliefs or lack thereof or what they (foolishly) said in one interview. Banning books is BAD no matter what the justification. If you don't want to read it than don't but don't try to prevent others from reading it.

[Nyanka]

What did you guys think of the daemons and how they contributed to the overall story?
I feel like the daemons were the only thing that set this book apart from others and the idea sounds so intriguing and original, to be born with a creature that knows everything about you and is essentially an extension of your soul. I wonder what shape my daemon would be.

[Christopher]

Yes. I hate it.

Christopher Patterson

[L.S.]

Well, I write sci-fi / dark fantasy that falls under the christian umbrella - as CS Lewis. So... Yeah... I can't stand works whose "[goal] is killing God" (quoting the author).