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anyone having problems with Echo?
a lot of people have had a hard time with Echo seems like she just haphazardly put the book together between trips to Scotland and promotions and so on...to bad she's such a great writer, wish she would sit still and do her job!!! I really hope the G word hasn't taken over.
Annie wrote: "It took me months to finish EITB. I read less than 1/4 of it and just couldn't keep reading, so I bought it on aubidle and listened to it while I worked out, painted walls, etc. Way too much ..."
I'm not having a problem at all. My hardest book was Fiery Cross. I'm actually enjoying reading about Willie and LJG. Willie is as much Jamie's son as Bree is his daughter, and I want a chance to get to know him as a reader. I'm hoping for the day where Willie knows who his father really is. I'm about 200 pages into Echo now.
Whether you agree with the way DG chooses to write her story or not, no one writes like she does. And, I just encourage those disappointed or in complete diagreement to read Echo again and perhaps listen to it. It is worthwhile in it's own merit. I still find it always interesting and amazing. I really like it. It grows on you the more you read it. It will be be fun to see how it all gets tied together and resolved.
Mary wrote: "Whether you agree with the way DG chooses to write her story or not, no one writes like she does. And, I just encourage those disappointed or in complete diagreement to read Echo again and perhaps ..."I have vowed to never read it again. Once was enough. Hopefully we'll actually get Jamie and Claire in the next book, which I am not purchasing new this time. I'll wait for a sale somewhere. Money's tight these days and spending cash on a new hardcover edition only to get too much LJ was a lesson. Once burned...
That's too bad, but, of course, your choice.
I found Echo much harder to get through than Fiery Cross.
I am draaaaaging my way through this one - because it's the last one, not because I am not enjoying it. Although the lack of J & C is wearing on me...I've had enought of William for awhile. The part I'm in now (right after William separates from the Quakers) is in the middle of a Jamie drought, and I'm starting to have withdrawal for that man!!!! I hope DG brings on the Jamie in the next hundred pages or so!!!
I just started this one I got a little bit of J&C then R&B now I'm on William sooo funny he gets seasick like his father
New to the forum, and glad I found it! I first read 'Cross Stitch' (Outlander here in the US) in the UK when I was there in '95 and immediately re-read it. Still my favorite of the series. However, when I first read the books after Voyager, I thought they were all too cumbersome and hard to follow. I recently re-read the entire series (temporarily unemployed) and found that I loved the later books as the whole story was a continuum. It was easier to follow all the characters, and as I read some of the 'earlier' books, I was able to see more of the clues, such as the Bugs, and the pieces fell into place easier.
I could not put the book down! My only problem was finishing! because I knew once I was done I was done now I have to wait..I don't know what is going to happen with my sanity now
I just have to say again that I loved it. The LJ parts were too political and my least favorite, but I don't mind the changing of the points of view. I enjoy finding out what the other is thinking. Honestly, would Claire's night with LJG have been so crazy if we hadn't heard his thoughts on it, or how he was feeling when finding out Jamie was alive.It just made the story richer for me.
I'm still debating if I want to read this last one yet. i was planning to wait until #8 comes out, but I don't know if I can wait that long. WHAT SHOULD I DO?
Read it and then re read the whole series! that way it will be fresh in your mind for when 8 comes out!
Thanks LydiaI'm gonna read it and give myself a little break from Outlander series. I think all that heart break is getting to me and I need to read something else, but I know that I'll go back to rereading it, cause I can't stay away from Jamie LOL!
You can't really stay away. I've been reading different series in between. But found myself checking on our group to get some Jamie fix everyday (more than once a day). It is an addiction.
Wan wrote: "You can't really stay away. I've been reading different series in between. But found myself checking on our group to get some Jamie fix everyday (more than once a day). It is an addiction."I am on doa and can't wait to finish the series so I can re read it. reading all of these posts makes me realize I have missed some stuff!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!S P O I L E R S!!!!!!!!!I'm going to re-read too. Were you guys as mad as me when Claire did the nasties whit LJG? It is the nasties unless it is with Jamie. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT MY SELF. I understand she was soooo sad and felt soooo lonely and it was a way to be closer to Jamie (which I don't understand how) But any way. I just can't stop thinking: Where is Roger! I Jemmy going to get out before Brianna and Rob get back? Do Jem and Mandy have powers? iS Jamie going to Kill LJG?
Ledda wrote: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!S P O I L E R S!!!!!!!!!I'm going to re-read too. Were you guys as mad as me when Claire did the nasties whit LJG? It is the nasties unless it is with Jamie. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT..."
I wasn't TOO mad at Claire because she wasn't really making love with LJG and he wasn't really making love to her. They were both making love to "Jamie" or at least their memory of him. That's the way I saw it. Claire has to physically deal with grief, and she does that with sex (most specifically with Jamie).
Claire thought Jamie was dead and she was grieving. It's hard to understand but it's not the same thing as an affair.
Ledda wrote: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!S P O I L E R S!!!!!!!!!I'm going to re-read too. Were you guys as mad as me when Claire did the nasties whit LJG? It is the nasties unless it is with Jamie. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT..."
In the most recent excerpt, LJG was confronting Jamie. He indicated to Jamie that -- both he and Claire were making love to Jamie not to each other. (So technically, they really didn't do the nasties, I guess.) Jamie told him he wanted to know everything play-by-play. -- & so do I. LoL
I understand the whole grieving thing but still...I would not want to "share" whatever I had left of Jamie with anyone. Is not that I don't like LJG, I acutally like him a lot, I just could not have done it with anyone. Claire is such a teenager! lolWan: do you have the link to the excerpt?
Did they do it more than once? I read that last book so fast and now I'm wondering. Remember the part when he came in to her bedroom and said "you are so lonely, would you want me to comfort you? I know how you know. and then it says something like he move his finger over her privates.....It was not my book so I had to return it and now that is killing me!
Shannon wrote: "SpoilersDue to life circumstances (meetings, illness), it took me nearly 3 weeks to finish it last night...the other devoured in a couple of days. Did anyone find it amazingly coincidental tha..."
OMG Shannon I felt the same way, everything was sooo hurried, she just acepted that he was dead never once thought of maybe he didn't get on the ship and then the mourning seem very superficial...Maybe that is why I'm having such a huge problem with her sleeping with LJG. Just doesn't seem like her.
I thought she was going to go into a deep depression, I mean she is all alone there now, I really thought she was going to get on the first ship back to Scotland ,thru France, to get back to the stones and then would Find out that he didn't get on the ship. Mean while Jamie is looking for her thinking that she went back to the stones. I thought about this becuase Roger left after Jemmy and if he made it thru the stones he and Claire would find each other in Inverness she'll tell him about Jamie and he would say NO he is alive because we have your letters than take off back to the Americas to find Jamie so they can find Jemmy Rob Cameron and the Spaniard
wow my head hurts
Ledda wrote: "I understand the whole grieving thing but still...I would not want to "share" whatever I had left of Jamie with anyone. Is not that I don't like LJG, I acutally like him a lot, I just could not ha..."Here is the link to the excerpt I mentioned.
http://voyagesoftheartemis.blogspot.c...
They only slept together once, she told him no.
Ledda wrote: "Thank you Wan! OMG that is awesome!"You're very welcome.
They only slept together once, but Clarie did additional stuff to LJG once!! I didn't mind the sex (or could understand it at least) but I don't know why she did the other... it seemed pointless and unnecessary.
I thought Ian left just after Emily gave birth to a stillborn baby girl. How could Emily's little boy belong to Ian??? Did I miss something?
I don't think he actually belonged to Ian, but I think Ian felt he was part of him which is why he chose to name him instead of the daughter.
Moni wrote: "Big problem with Echo, her writing style (with her admission) has changed. she said that she changed her writing style for the last 2 books! I don't know who she is listening to for advise, i wish ..."Moni, that's a shock to me! Which last 2 books were ment? I thought Echo were written by another person yet, and Exile was the next disappointment. Would be ok with me, if DG changed back to her style of the previous boooks for the (2) remaining ones of the series. Otherwise this does not sound like a promise, but like a dangerous threat!
I personally loved Echo. When your career is based on a fanbase you generally have to learn that you can't make everyone happy all the time. We have too many differing opinions.
Jessica wrote: "They only slept together once, but Clarie did additional stuff to LJG once!! I didn't mind the sex (or could understand it at least) but I don't know why she did the other... it seemed pointless an..."What??? what she do? I don't have the book anymore please refresh my memory. I read so fast I missed that! UGH
Karen wrote: "I thought Ian left just after Emily gave birth to a stillborn baby girl. How could Emily's little boy belong to Ian??? Did I miss something?"Jessica Wrote I don't think he actually belonged to Ian, but I think Ian felt he was part of him which is why he chose to name him instead of the daughter.
I'm confused about that too. what the little boy said grandma had said, can't remember the exact words but something like don't tell your dad Sun Elk but you are wolf brothe's spirit son. Mowhak are not ver literal in their speech and Ian having left after the daugther died confuses me UNLESS Drum roll please.. Emely had twins and they made Ian leave cause they thought he would die too if Ian stayed. I mean the grandma pretty much just packed him up and walked him out of the tribe, didn't she? Maybe DG wanted a way to bring Ian back to Fraser's ridge and this was a way to do it, Ian would never leave his children behind and Emely would never leave her tribe.
Moni wrote: "Big problem with Echo, her writing style (with her admission) has changed. she said that she changed her writing style for the last 2 books! I don't know who she is listening to for advise, i wish ..."I loved ECHO! I liked how she kept switching from character to Character and all the stories going at the same time it kept my mind literally going back and foward in time
Ledda wrote: "Moni wrote: "Big problem with Echo, her writing style (with her admission) has changed. she said that she changed her writing style for the last 2 books! I don't know who she is listening to for ad..."I loved Echo too! It was up there in my top 3 favorites.
Karen wrote: "I thought Ian left just after Emily gave birth to a stillborn baby girl. How could Emily's little boy belong to Ian??? Did I miss something?"In ABOSAA, in chapter 70, when Ian tells Bree about the stillborn, and tells of several miscarriages afterward he says that they tried a bit longer but her heart wasn't in it and that Sun Elk was looking at her and she was looking back. Apparently it was not long after that the Grandmother sent Ian away. So it is possible that the boy was Ian's son.
April wrote: "Karen wrote: "I thought Ian left just after Emily gave birth to a stillborn baby girl. How could Emily's little boy belong to Ian??? Did I miss something?"In ABOSAA, in chapter 70, when Ian tel..."
Thanks April! I thought I missed some detail that explained it. So many details to keep track of. I loved the books so much I read as fast as I could just to see what would happen. Now I plan to start at the beginning and get all the details and nuances I missed the first time. Appreciate the input!
Hello! I joined this group a couple of months ago, but didn't read or post anything on it because I didn't want any plot spoilers. Well, I finally finished Echo in the Bone yesterday (I started the series in beginning of June and had the first 4 books read by the beginning of july). I LOVE the series, but i too had a bit of trouble getting into Echo at first, but finally hit a good rhythm about halfway through...by the end I was biting my nails. My husband thought I was crazy when I yelled out "OMG, Claire and Lord John just got married!!" and then "WTH, Claire and Lord John just consummated the marriage!!" Anyway, just thought I would introduce myself and join in the discussions. :-)
Welcome! It was probably wise to hold off, we try to not give away spoilers but it definitely happens as conversations get heated.
I haven't read any of the comments above - too scared of spoilers! Just wanted to say that I am draaaging the reading of this book out in an attempt to make it last. I read about 3 pages a day lol.
OMG, you have such a self-control. I was greedily devoured them....and then, re-read.
and I really wasn't thrilled at all with the whole Rob Cameron storyline with Bree. I liked Buccleigh showing up and interacting with the kids and Rodger having to take care of him, and the story could have gone a much better way following that line, but adding Rob? He should have just faded into the shadow as Bree's creepy, sexist co-worker. Now I just have to wait for the next book, uuggh 3yrs!! *slams head*
I guess I am in the minority...I LOVED Echo. In fact, it's my favorite book in the series. I thoroughly enjoyed the development of William's character. Didn't think the LJ/Claire marriage was outrageous...made delicious sense to me. And I think the Rob Cameron twist is very suspenseful.I also enjoyed the writing style much more. Echo reads wittier, more insightful and the characters are all very lifelike and mostly intriguing. I could barely finish TFC and ABOSAS and almost did not begin Echo. After the first 50 pages or so of Outlander, I gave up trying to read the print version of the books...eye strain. But, I generally try to finish what I start and I was committed to the series. Then, I found myself downloading Echo one day. Began reading it in bed that night and didn't put it down for five days. I savored the reading of it. Echo sets up the storylines for book 8 wonderfully. I can hardly wait for the next novel.
I'm glad to see you here. I,also,loved Echo. I agree with your review. You put it very well; thank you, for doing that so well.
I loved it too, ad I agree with everything you say. i thought the political parts of the Lord John Gray story arch was dry at times, but overall it's in my top 3 favorites of the series.
Angela wrote: " I am on my 2nd read of Echo and I admit I didn't like it the first time, but It does have several story lines I'm interested in following...The short mention of Rogers's father maybe having go..."
I agree. The first time through was a real slog. I have read it again and the second time through was much better since I understood where it was going and could more easily focus on what was important.
I will say the more times I have read it, the more I'm impressed with it. It makes me sad to think of those who just read it once and won't re-read. I really believe you can't take it all in after just one reading. Listening to the audiobook is also awesome.
Mary G. wrote: "I will say the more times I have read it, the more I'm impressed with it. It makes me sad to think of those who just read it once and won't re-read. I really believe you can't take it all in after..."I think that's the case with all the books. The more you read them, the more you get out of them. I'm hoping to re-read Echo this year. The first time, I read half and listed to half--my first listening of any of the books. Very good.
Way too much ..."
My friend, who I got hooked on these books, thinks it should have been touted as a LJ book.
Hmm, it could be good for listening to while watching paint dry. :)