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•✩• What does Racism Mean, and Can Anyone Be Racist?
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Uhh public schools in my area do not teach that... they teach about actual often-white colonizers and that many of them WERE bad, that's just a fact though and we're not taught to hate ALL white people because of that.
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the Oxford Dictionary definition of racism is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in..."
POC means People of Color right?
Barnette wrote: "ashes and diamonds wrote: "the Oxford Dictionary definition of racism is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the ba..."
yeah!
I mean my school taught that white people are oppressors. Like i said different places and different standards
Austin wrote: "So like another thing is i am in a mixed race relationship. If we were to have kids they were mixed race. Am i to tell my kids that daddy’s people oppressed mommy’s people so daddy is always wrong?..."You oppressed me
ashes and diamonds wrote: "anyway these are just based on my experiences and learning 😊 i absolutely make racist jokes and comments all the time, and every minor inconvenience i have (bumping into a wall, dropping my pencil,..."NO SAME I DO THAT TOO LOL
ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "As a person of colour because brown is a colour unlike black or white :PI think I can be just as racist as a white person i just have common sense and am a nice person so..."
😂😂😂 tis true
MidnightButterfly wrote: "Austin wrote: "So like another thing is i am in a mixed race relationship. If we were to have kids they were mixed race. Am i to tell my kids that daddy’s people oppressed mommy’s people so daddy i..."I mean like...you can respect each other's culture while also informing your kids that hey history happened and it wasn't cool.
ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Austin wrote: "So like another thing is i am in a mixed race relationship. If we were to have kids they were mixed race. Am i to tell my kids that daddy’s people oppressed..."I mean sure you can say well yes india was colonised but that wasnt austin or his family or ancestors or have anything to do with him at all. Just because he has light skin. So no blame whatsoever should be pinned on him or...anyone now really
MidnightButterfly wrote: "ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Austin wrote: "So like another thing is i am in a mixed race relationship. If we were to have kids they were mixed race. Am i to tell my kids th..."that's actually exactly what i wrote post 64
ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Austin wrote: "So like another thing is i am in a mixed race relationship. If we were to have kids they were mixed rac..."Yeah i know you did and i totally agree.
But the point is that t is due to these historical things that it is said white people cant experience racism, so the past is still very much used against the innocent white people today
MidnightButterfly wrote: "ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Austin wrote: "So like another thing is i am in a mixed race relationship. If we were to ha..."That's true and I completely agree, however ignoring history and not talking about will not help at all. History forgotten is history repeated, right?
Like i am mostly sweadish and german and there was no colonial empire. But people dont see it that way they see white and assume oppressor
Interesting article written by a black south african activist about why black people can not be racist and never are:https://www.pambazuka.org/black-peopl...
I disagree with most of the points but make of it what you will
ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "ashes and diamonds wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Austin wrote: "So like another thing is i am in a mixed race rela..."Of course not, histroy should not be forgotten, yet a lot of history is. A lot of histroy is twisted, in both sides of the political spectrum.
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Yeah, most of my ancestors were German but should I be blamed for what happened during World War II (which I do not agree with AT ALL)??
Barnette wrote: "Austin wrote: "Like i am mostly sweadish and german and there was no colonial empire. But people dont see it that way they see white and assume oppressor"Yeah, most of my ancestors were German bu..."
Or world war 1
And the upcoming ww3 will be germans too defo defo XD /j
Austin wrote: "Like i am mostly sweadish and german and there was no colonial empire. But people dont see it that way they see white and assume oppressor"And dk not understand that "white" encompasses multiple identities just as "black" and "brown" and "yellow" do
Well according to inter-sectionalism yes even german Americans to fought with america during ww2 were at fault for ww2
Lol i was taught that intersectionalism just means that we arent defined by one thing but defined by multiple things because each persons identity is complex
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Yeah, most of my ancesto..."
Yeah
How dare you insult me youre racist lolI dont actually mean it buutt
😂😂😭😭 no same in one friend group i legit have one friend who is straight and shes like dangit gays
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I'm cinvinced that the potato must be an alt account or something because cmon
I just hate when people are not white and say they cant be racist.
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ooh ok so i didnt realize this was a topic but fun! lmao. imo, everyone can be biased or prejudiced or colorist etc but a lot of POC genuinely do not have the power to be racist, by definition (at least in america). i can try to find a video on it but black people do not have the power in america to be racist. they can be prejudiced and biased against white people, but they cant be racist because of the power dynamics.
Okay so power dynamicsPower dynamics...shift? Is racism insitutional? Is it on a person to person?
Can a rich black person be racist to a poor white person?
MidnightButterfly wrote: "Okay so power dynamicsPower dynamics...shift? Is racism insitutional? Is it on a person to person?
Can a rich black person be racist to a poor white person?"
ooh im talking about overall dynamics in america, meaning that most government officials are white or even just looking at the history of america and the large amounts of racism that existed. in my opinion, its similar to the idea that
misogyny is focused on women
misandry is focused on men
you cant be misogynistic to a man but you can be misandrystic to a man, if that makes sense, because misandry is rooted in a feeling of revenge that is formed because of past (or existing) misogyny, while misogyny existed first.
in a similar vein,
racism is focused (mostly) on people of color
while prejudice (i cant think of a better word, would 'xenophobia' be accurate or no?) is focused on white people,
because that prejudice is mainly a result of past (or existing) racism
does that make sense?
like the feelings are the same but racism is rooted in something different
ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "vyn ೃ࿐ wrote: "ooh ok so i didnt realize this was a topic but fun! lmao. imo, everyone can be biased or prejudiced or colorist etc but a lot of POC genuinely do not have the power to be racist, by ..."woah ok i definitely did NOT mean to insinuate that, i should have been clearer, black people can't be racist to *white people*, but they can definitely be racist to other black people or those of other races. my apologies, i did not mean to insinuate that
ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "vyn ೃ࿐ wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Okay so power dynamicsPower dynamics...shift? Is racism insitutional? Is it on a person to person?
Can a rich black person be racist to a poor white pers..."
can I ask why? /gen.
it was my impression that anyone can be xenophobic to anyone, it's defined as being fearful or angry to anything 'foreign' to them, but i could be wrong! sorry if its worse :)
ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "vyn ೃ࿐ wrote: "ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "vyn ೃ࿐ wrote: "MidnightButterfly wrote: "Okay so power dynamicsPower dynamics...shift? Is racism insitutional? Is it on a person to perso..."
oh, ok gotcha! im sorry, i didn't know the insinuations, thats my bad! ill definitely think more about that in the future
ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "vyn ೃ࿐ wrote: "ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "vyn ೃ࿐ wrote: "ooh ok so i didnt realize this was a topic but fun! lmao. imo, everyone can be biased or prejudiced or colorist etc but a l..."oh i definitely dont agree with that idea, im super sorry if it came off that way. i genuinely think we both agree but the word racism is pretty hot. i definitely get what you're saying and i agree, i just think i might not have phrased it the best way, if that makes sense?
this discussion is super nuanced, i probably shouldn't have come in so hot, haha, thats my bad. what i was trying to say is that in certain situations, its hard for black people to be racist towards white people in particular solely because of america's dynamic, but that black people can definitely be prejudiced and treat white people badly. i think i got caught up in terms, but when it comes down to it, we're saying the same thing i also definitely agree that POC can be racist towards each other, i didnt mean to have people interpret my words as that i didnt think that, sorry about that haha
ray ੈ✩‧₊˚ (semi-hiatus till summer) wrote: "it’s fine lol this is a debate group so I wasn’t offended I was just trying to start a deeper conversation"okok just making sure haha
White people can't be racist because they are all good people
YourLocalPoliticsPotato wrote: "White people can't be racist because they are all good people"I missed this guy
The term "racism" is a buzzword that some dumb leftists use when they're describing their political opponents. Liberals call anyone who is more politically right wing than them as racist even they aren't.Though I am strongly against racial discrimination, but the word "racism" has lost all meaning in nowadays.
Crazy liberals call Trump racist when employment rate of minorities were highest in Trump's regime.
I agree
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honestly yeah trump is not heavily racist
though he does use scapegoating and people's racism to his advantage
he uses a lot of immoral things in my opinion to advance his popularity and isn't really "conservative" in the traditional sense. that's part of the reason why i think he's worse than many other repulicans but no i wouldn't call him a racist. most of his comments that are called racist are just sucking up to his voters (ex the haitians in springfield thing)
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You're generalizing, and being rude by calling leftists "dumb" and "crazy". Please be respectful and read the rules.
I wouldn’t label Trump as racist, however i don't know if he is doing this on purpose or not, but he usually brings it up in a negative way. Like when he was running against Harris he was making some…questionable comments about her race that in my opinion dont really matter. It seemed like he was trying to be racist in a passive aggressive way if that makes sense? He kept saying that Kamala was lying about her race, but she wasnt, in fact she hadn’t really mentioned it because she thought it didnt matter. I personally dont think it matters in this case ether, but lmk what you think.
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In my opinion as a white person everyone can be racists, as it is showing prejudiced to a certain race, but white people cannot experience SYSTEMATIC racism.
rini wrote: "I wouldn’t label Trump as racist, however i don't know if he is doing this on purpose or not, but he usually brings it up in a negative way. Like when he was running against Harris he was making so..."I would! He legalized segregation, so a company could practice it, and it be legal.
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anyway these are just based on my experiences and learning 😊 i absolutely make racist jokes and comments all the time, and every minor inconvenience i have (bumping into a wall, dropping my pencil, my computer dying) is always countered with "this is racism" so i'm not exactly the most fair person but those are just jokes.