Booktok š discussion
Discussion on ZADE.🤢
Oh God Killian is a fucking monster! And thatās nice. I mean he is depraved but oh my God heās fantastic! But I love dark romance and I love the depraved and messed up crap because I live through some messed up shit but heās not for everybody heās a problem! I mean, Nico he is his own breed of chaos and I am here for it like heās so sweet, but heās so messed up! And I mean thereās Malachi Malachi makes Zade look tame. I mean he makes Zade literally look like heās wearing diapers because of how tame he looks. Zade isnāt the problem here, itās the fact that not everybody understands dark romance, and the fact that youāre only picking out one part of the first book rather than reading both to recognize the messed up crap that goes into dark romance there are so many worst books in dark romance, and this is the book you choose to die on as far as giving dark romance, crap. It just doesnāt make any sense because those books are mild compared to other dark romance I mean, den of vipers is a whole other breed of chaos! I mean the skeleton king. I actually saw in the comment. Itās one of the most depraved books and the worst romance that has ever been written and itās bad. I mean the comments, I read in the spoilers were bad I mean, even as a dark romance lover it was dark and I mean pitch black you know no moonlight nothing dark! So do not compare Zade and haunting and Hunting Adeline to the whole of dark romance if youāve not read all dark romance or a good chunk of it, you canāt compare
Lilly, youāre exactly right they donāt talk about her because sheās not the love interest but thatās besides the points and youāre right itās gonna keep going in circles. Totally understand that I just think that if someoneās gonna start talking crap about Zade, they need to talk about the other characters too, and not just only one part that he did in the first book. And Iām like we do this in class all the time where we have to like have these type of discussions and thatās all I wanted to do was just have a simple discussion about like was it the whole book or was it just him because if itās just him then itās kind of the same thing that happened with Rina Kent. But you know if itās the whole book that makes more sense thatās what all Iām trying to get clarification on but you know Iāve seen so many people give Zade absolute crap but theyāll condone Coleen Hoover. and thatās where Iām like it is just fiction but it still needs to be addressed in that way because it needs to be recognized if itās the whole book thatās one thing and that means youāre just not a dark romance reader but everybody gives us crap and they even given death threats to HD Carlton. Thatās why I feel like I have to say something, especially with the Tori Wood situation happening.
Most people read the gun scene and put it down not reading the second book, therefore they dont understand the book, yk?!?Yess Killian is so fucked up and I love him!!!!
All reviews I saw of zade were good ones surprisingly, and all it took for me to read it was the mint chocolate chip ice cream scene.
But at the end of the day we are gunna gunna have our own personal opinions about book characters. And theres no need to shame or anything about our preference.
Like I love my fucked up in the head book charcters
Exactly! Thereās no shame and you know not liking the character but when youāre gonna vilify for one in particular or two in particular scenes from the first book, then reading both books to get the whole picture and then youāre only gonna say that the books crap because of one character versus the multitude of other messed up characters thatās where itās like OK you need to elaborate because if you didnāt read both books Thereās a disconnect.I mean, I love messed up characters. I think theyāre amazing because they you know get the adrenaline running but at the same time itās like read both books. Donāt just read one. Iām not shaving anybody for hating Zade. You read what you want and thatās the thing thatās the beauty of dark romance versus other romances. You read what you want nobodyās gonna complain but when you start going after people for a certain character because they say oh heās this way and heās that way heās gross, but you have faxed to back it up and you still have that thought process thatās where the issue lies. Itās not the fact that the book you know is the most approved book but itās the fact of you only can do the one or two scenes and talk about them rather than both books in detail. Itās like youāre only focusing on two scenes where you know she explains why and youāre still holding that as if itās like the worst thing in the world. Thatās the only reason that Iām even saying something in this because personally, Iāve got so much other stuff to do that. I donāt have time to like really like argue, but I think itās good to have these type of open discussions to help others understand that if they find this and they want to read, then they are allowed to actually see all perspectives not just one.
YESS!!! I found this about the 50 shades series aswell everyone was hating on Christian for no reason
tbh i read both books and HATE zade w a passion
Arlia. And see I donāt even judge you for that because thatās your opinion you read both books you have known the character and you understand the character and thatās the beauty of it. You read both and you understand and you still donāt like him and thatās justified! It doesnāt mean that you know everybody hates him, but the fact that you do and you know the character cause youāve read both books is perfectly understandable! Iām mainly talking about the people that only go to the comments and read those and just pick out what they hate because usually people that canāt tell like you know both perspectives of the books then I feel like they didnāt really read it to better understand now if youāve read both and you hate the character thatās totally fine and I think thatās great. I mean it doesnāt mean that I hate him, but it means that you know you gave him a shot. And nobody can be angry at you about that, but everybody gets angry and shit on people that read dark romance, even though some of them most of them from what I have seen now I could be wrong have never read the books and thatās where Iām like. OK if youāve not read the books you canāt get mad at us for enjoying these books. It doesnāt mean that you know if you have read them and you still hate the character that you donāt have a right to hate. I mean you are totally justified and why you hate him. Just like Iām justified and I like Zade, but it doesnāt mean that Iām gonna you know say anything terriblebecause itās great that we have different viewpoints.
Urgirl_amara, see now Iām actually someone very different on that perspective because I did not get into Fifty Shades Darker. But at the same time I saw the appeal but it just wasnāt my thing. But at the same time itās like you know he is messed up I mean he is not the nicest guy! I just you know I hate seeing people crap on this character and any character without even reading the books and thatās basically where Iām saying all that Iām saying if you have read the books and you loved the books or hated them, but youāve read them at least then thereās nothing wrong and you were entitled right to your opinion but if you havenāt read the books and are just only saying the two scenes and saying oh heās this way rather than looking at the complexity of the whole character and the other characters around them I feel like then youāre only looking at it from the glass half empty rather than half full youāre just looking at it to basically hate on a character. And nobody likes that. Like we all have our own interest we all have our own likes and dislikes, but donāt hate on a character just to hate on a character. I mean, if you read the books and you understand that you donāt like the character and youāve read them both then thereās nothing wrong. Like I didnāt like Fifty Shades of Grey but you know I did read them. I understand the concept I just didnāt like them just like you know. Arlia didnāt like you know that I mean sheās totally justified because she read both books, but there are people that wonāt and then theyāll just say oh Iāve read the comments. I donāt like this character because of that without reading the whole book.
See I love it so much and the character development is really good. But I love sharing opinions I just hate it when people go off from reviews and think the know the whole story.
All Iām saying is, read the books before you judge. Donāt just go off what comments say or what you see on TikTok. Thatās all Iām saying with this whole discussion is if you have facts to back it up and you recognize these characters whether theyāre good or bad that people like or hate them. That you recognize that theyāre not for you, but somebody else might like them and you donāt judge them. then thereās nothing to complain about and thereās nothing to get upset about. You can have a discussion, but you canāt get mad at somebody for loving what they love as far as character or hating who they hate as a character. Thatās what Iām mainly talking about in this whole forum and I wanted to bring up about the side characters because I never hear crap about them and I donāt think thatās fair because these works are fiction and the thing is in order to hate on one character. You have to hate on the whole of the characters in a way I mean, you can hate one more or less or love one more or less, but each one has a reason for being there. And thatās all Iām saying love the characters you love and hate the characters you hate, but donāt judge people and put them down for enjoying what they love to read. and if youāre gonna discuss characters, donāt just discuss one character if itās one character then it might just be you specifically doesnāt mean that thatās true, but it could be especially if you didnāt read the book but talk about the other characters too. That made you have reason to hate them not just the FMC or the MMC then you need to talk about those other characters because they actually fueled whether you loved or hated them whether you realize it or not. And thatās exactly why I think you know only talking about one specific character rather than other characters and having facts to back it up is kind of why these discussions sometimes go in a circle. it doesnāt mean that you know they didnāt read the book. It just means have more than just one reason of what everybody else says. If you hate the character have other reason besides oh heās this way and he did these things thatās why I hate him. Thereās gotta be more to it than just one simple thing because that was only in the first book
And thatās exactly why Iām still discussing in this thread. Itās not because you know I wanna keep going in a circle rather the opposite. I want people who read this to know that thereās not just one aspect to the character and that they can give the book a chance and if they actually enjoy it, then you know they have a community they can talk to. I hate when people only go off the reviews like yourself and you know they donāt take time to actually read the character. I mean people that have read the book and theyāre like I still donāt like him. Thatās totally fine and I think itās great cause it means weāre human. We all have different perceptions. But it doesnāt mean that we need to put others down for hating on a character and saying oh because heās this way youāre automatically condoning this no, weāre not, but it gives a chance to others who want to read this and may be afraid. Just because we read something for the adrenaline like with me with my heart condition. I canāt drink caffeine and thatās one of the things that helped with my ADHD. These books help with my ADHD in a way that I canāt get with other stimulants. And thatās OK but then I get vilified for basically being an obsession with dark romance. I write it. I donāt have an obsession what I have is something that I feel personally connected to. Doesnāt mean I condone you know rape doesnāt mean I condone violence in real life, but it means you know in a fictional sense. Itās something that is incredibly gratifying. It doesnāt mean that I you know, condone rape in books, but it means that if the character says oh well, you know I have a kink like that. OK then why am I gonna you know say oh it was a rape scene because when I first read it, I thought it was and then I saw that and Iām like oh so itās not itās just she has a king like that and plus Zade has all this technology. It is disposal that he could look all the stuff up about her beforehand. I mean, you can look up her porn history so people saying oh you know it was rape. How do we know that he didnāt look it up and thatās how we found her like kink? So thatās why I say these discussions are beautiful but calling somebody that they condone this type of behavior when in real life they had it happen possibly to them yeah they donāt condo it. They just you know they get a thrill from it same with any horror book same with any psychological thriller we get enjoyment fromthe adrenaline.
Look the simple fact of the matter of this whole conversation and whole discussion is people who havenāt read or have read the books. They will judge people like me and others that read it, but yet we cannot sit here and defend ourselves because they only have the one argument, not everybody, but there are a good portion. So being able to defend ourselves but then people getting upset when we personally do is why this stuff just isnāt OK. I canāt judge you for reading a book like Colleen Hoover has but you can judge me for reading a dark romance book just because it has the word dark or it has taboo subject matter. Thatās where I feel like thereās a problem. I donāt condone what others read because I think the fact that theyāre reading is incredible, but donāt condone me for reading something that I find enjoyment in just because others donāt find enjoyment doesnāt mean that they have the right to sit there and judge what I read. I remember the quote from Bambi if you canāt say something nice donāt say it at all. Well that applies in every situation in life including what somebody reads. Youāre saying that Iām condoning rape because I read a book that actually personally saved me and if you donāt know the context and weāre gonna sit there and judge me doesnāt that make you a bully? Thatās why I literally donāt have time for people that will sit there and judge somebody for reading a book but yet when they get judged for reading what they read, itās a problem. So thatās the only reason I even say stuff on this form right now because you shouldnāt judge somebody Before understand understanding why they read the book yeah if youāre reading it for enjoyment OK thatās great but if youāre reading it and then you verify people because it didnāt fit your prerogative and narrative then youāre a bull bully simple fact. If youāe sat there and just said well because it has this in it. Itās a problem then that makes you a bully in my opinion that makes you perpetrating the very thing that you donāt like happening to you. So if you canāt say something nice just donāt say it like be like I donāt like this book move on if you say it to your friends thatās one thing but to somebody who has been saved by dark romance, who actually has found comfort in it and then saying oh you know well I donāt understand how you could like this this just condone this youāre condoning it when you read this no. The simple fact is Iām not condoning it but itās in a fiction sense. Itās not a realistic person. Thatās where I have an issue. Donāt judge me for what I read and I wonāt literally have to get on these things and just say all of these things. I want you to enjoy reading. I want everyone to enjoy reading, but I want you to enjoy reading what you want to read and just donāt judge me for what I read and I wonāt judge you for what you read I mean itās that simple I mean, where isthe thought process in certain people that think that oh Iām gonna judge you, but you canāt judge me? Itās not simple like just donāt judge me for what I read and I wonāt judge you for what you read, but I think these discussions are good regardless. Thatās just the bottom line.
Alex wrote: "Lilly, youāre exactly right they donāt talk about her because sheās not the love interest but thatās besides the points and youāre right itās gonna keep going in circles. Totally understand that I ..."Alex, I think you're absolutely right when you say that you need to read both books to have a formed opinion, love or hate them. I hate when people rate/post reviews of books they read 10% off. Also, kudos for defending the book you love, we are all entitled to our opinions without labeling each other this or that.
I read both books. I'm in the minority I think, because I think that the first book was less bad than the second one because she did include more gothic elements in the first one and I like that. The second one, I thought it was a bit too exaggerated on the violence for the sake of it, and dfn'd it. Then I took it again later and braved through it to the end. I can say that the focus on hating Zade and not talking about the other bad characters is because, as I said, he's the romantic (anti) hero. In the second book, he was still calling her a little girl (weird, since he saves little girls, so from a psychological pov it doesn't make sense), his little slut, he carved her wounds with a broken mirror to make them his, and beat her legs with a branch until they were bloody. If all of that was done by one of the other characters, it'd make a larger amount of people be fine with it because they're, as I said, villains, not flawed, not nuance, just plain old cartoonish villains in her book. Zade is the romantic hero, so maybe the author would attract less hate if in his redemption arc she made him, let's say, at least by 75% of the book, act a bit less unhinged towards Adeline.
Now, I'm just trying to explain why the hate is aimed towards him. I'm not trying to disrespect who likes the books or him, because you have the right to like and read whatever you want. As long as no one is dreaming of having him as a boyfriend in real life (if you do please please talk to someone, you deserve better!), I do get, as I said, that people like to read dark romance for different reasons, I like them too, just this one wasn't for me.
You are completely justified and yeah actually I forgot about some of that! I did forget about the little girl thing, but I also have done that in real life because sometimes I accidentally let that slip I mean Iām just human. And thatās where I think the second two books that are coming in a series for Zane and Addie are gonna be really powerful because I think itās gonna go to his backstory and Iām hoping because I would really like to see more of his backstory. And yeah, he is the antihero and thatās where Iām like. I do understand people having an issue. I do I just wish they would see more of the good and actually read both books and even giving them a second chance because I get the first time it might be too much but reading them a second time itās like OK you know you didnāt like the book thatās OK and if you didnāt like the character thatās great. It just means you know respect the people that do and if you donāt like it OK then dark romance isnāt your thing or just that book That author. But the fact that sheās gotten death threats is where Iām like. Something needs to be said like to the people that donāt like it and theyāre sending death threats to this person and not reading both books. Yeah thatās a problem and thatās why I defend it. Itās not that Iām defending the character so much. Iām defending the offer and Iām defending The characters that she brought to life because I bring dark characters to life. But that doesnāt excuse the fact that I know theyāre in a fictional sense and you know if somebody hates them OK. But hating a character just to hate them is a massive problem and should not be condemned. I actually forgot he called her a little girl that was like wait a minute where did he do that and I was like oh yeah he did do that. Now that I donāt agree with but their things in the books I didnāt agree with him, but I thought there were things. I also did agree with so Iām kind of like Biased in a way because I saw both perspective like because being a writer of it and being a reader of the genre, I saw both perspectives so itās like I get it but yeah, no I just think the hate speech with this book has gotten out of hand when thereās so many other dark romance books that have way more unhinged characters but if they mainly focus on him and the other ones in dark romance, theyāre the love interest, but why is he getting specifically so much hate where the other ones arenāt. Thatās where Iām trying to figure this out.
nobody criticizes the other characters the way they do zade because he is the love interest who is abusing and raping his girlfriend while killing men who do the same thing to other women. (sibby does not do this) i donāt have a real issue with the book or people who like it, but i think people who dislike it/him are completely justified. obviously liking it in fiction doesnāt mean you condone it in real life, but regardless of if you relate to the themes or not, they are still controversial and toe the line of being problematic; it is important to acknowledge that. and at the same time, i think if the story helps you in your personal healing journey, then thatās amazing and good for you!however, this type of discussion is crucial for understanding other peopleās perspectives as long as it remains civil, so i think these kind of threads are important :)
Chaiseā¦ I think youāre exactly right that these are crucial and very important. And yes, they are healing. Thatās what a lot of dark romance is itās very healing for people like myself. However, I think on the one aspects I think in a way it is extremely problematic because if it was a real life person then yeah it would be totally problematic, but since itās not it kinda allows those perceptions to be you know, drawn out and to see like you know how much somebody can handle because that is a very real thing some people are very desensitized Where others are not in any way! And I think people often like criticize and basically just abusive to people that read this kind of stuff because they donāt understand and I think you know, having an open discussion and having the ability to communicate is critical.That being said, though, I still think the other characters really need to be drawn into question. I get that Zade is the love interest, but the other characters really need to be brought into question too because theyāre way worse and yes, Sibby didnāt do that but I still doesnāt excuse the stuff that she did do and the other characters. I think they are just as important to the conversation as the love interest. It doesnāt negate the fact of things that Zade has done, but I think if weāre only talking about one character, we are losing focus of the entire book. And I think thatās the biggest problem for me. We canāt just you know sit here and talk about only one character when the whole ensemble is problematic and I think thatās the biggest thing is, weāre talking about one character who is being this way but weāre not talking about the other characters who are just as problematic and if this book is problematic, then everybody needs to be brought up because I love interest can be a really dark and deprived person and people fall for that kind of often I mean, look at narcissism and you know abusers like theyāre not immediately one way but if youāre only having a problem with one character then itās almost hard to believe that they do not understand that character and why they were written the way they were. Now Iām not saying that you know itās wrong for them to feel that way because theyāre totally justified. Iāve said it before and Iāll say it again justifiable by every means if you donāt like a character, but just bashing them without reading the story and reading the context of the story itself not from a perception of oh my gosh, you know heās doing this to her but reading everything as a total is exactly why these conversations are important. You canāt have the character without the story and you canāt have the story without the character. Thatās what Iām trying to get out. The other characters need to be brought into question if itās only Zayde, then itās really not about the book itās about just what the idealized version of the person is whereas if itās the book, then it really needs to be brought into question of what is morally acceptable versus what is morally. Unacceptable.
well this discussion in particular was specifically about zade which is why everyone is talking about zade. i read both of the books. a couple ppl in this thread said that they like zade because he doesnāt hide who he is and is honest etc etc. i canāt speak for everyone, but one of my biggest issues with him was how insanely hypocritical he is, and the fact that he is a walking contradiction. he has no reason or motivation to do the things he does, either. heās just objectively not a good character in my opinion. itās just hard to get passed the rape and abuse when he not only doesnāt care about her feelings at all, but manipulates her feelings constantly. i drew the line at the IUD/whipping scene in book 2.
I believe that dark romance without romance is just horror/ phycological thriller. this duet is a perfect example of that. the romance isnāt real, itās Stockholm Syndrome. and Zade is a hypocrite. when it comes to that, the MMC and the romance, talking about background or side characters doesnāt really contribute to any meaningful discussion. i mean, we can talk about sibby and the others, but it truly is not the same thing OR what is asked here to begin with.
i agree about not taking it out on the author, she doesnāt deserve threats over her books.
Here is the thing about Zade. In the first book, (I haven't read the second one yet) at the beginning, I was pretty disgusted by him since what he did with Adeline stands against everything he lives for, but by the end of the book, I kinda started leaning more to the: he is alright, side. In the scene where Adeline gives him a massage, I thought it could be the start to a cute relationship- I was WRONG! But needless to say, their relationship was A LOT better in the last few chapters of the book.
OMG! OKso there are basically these points
1- Why Zade gets the h8 when the other characters are just as bad
2- he gets better so what did at the beginning would be forgiven
3- again the "whataboutism" when you shove CoHo in every argument and trigger warning
so let's discuss
1- Zade is the MAIN FREAKING MALE LEAD. there are MANY books that has š in it done to the FMC but never by the MMC. the MMCs are their to protect, support and be with her healing journey
Zade is the š list. stop seeing him as anything but
I dont even want to mention the fact that he cut off an innocent man's hand
so just this fact
slapping "Non-Con" as a trigger warning is even worse
because Non-Con usually employs kissing without consent or touching
but R@pe is R@pe
you call sh!t by any other name it's still sh!t and smells
comparing him to the bad guys in the book is ridiculous. They are the bad guys , he is supposed to be the protector
I would accept reading R@pe from them but....
2- saying he gets better in the book is exactly the disgusting part because its ROMANTICIZING a š ist!!!!! it's even worse than Stokholm syndrome!!!! seeing so MANY accounts dreaming of Zade and seeing "id let him do anything to me" is what is wrong with this book
so if this is OK to you, then what? you will accept the book that is romanticizing a 30 yr and a 3 yr old??? or let me guess! "I draw the line at animal cruelty"!!!
there are lines that should NEVER be crossed even in Dark Romance
even when you put a 4 page trigger warning
3- TW where not a thing and a demand up until I think 2020. open any dark romance or historical romamce (which have far more worse triggers than DR) written before 2019 and you'll not find any TW. sure few books had them
but it was not the Standards
Now they are a Must
most of CoHo books were in and before 2018
IT ENDS WITH US was published in 2012..a simple flip or Google search will tell you
however, now you can find a bunch of TW of her books on her website
HA came out in 2021..the era of TW
please leave the woman in peace. it's bad enough many have b^ll!ed her so hard into quiting writing (something I hope will happen to HD Carlton)
again, slapping the "its just fiction" and "as long as i don't like this in real life" is a dangerous excuse that is allowing authors who think themselves as gods above retribution and called out to put HIGHLY PROBELATIC and damaging books like HA
and bec other authors wanted the same fame and money that HA brought, they are pushing even more dangerous borders ...recently a š¶ philia book...would you defend that as well?!
@Sue Mozyes my problem too here is that not only do people forget his rapist side bacuse of his good work and all but that there are people out there who if you go under any 'anti zade' reel or media they'd be like, "IDK, id let him do anything to me"....like what?
aslo one point you mentioned that missed is that I would accept reading SA about other bad guys but it's a totally different scenario when the Main MMC which Is also the live intrest does that
@Alexit's not about zade being the bad guy, [yes the others may be10 times worse] it's that people are romanticizing bad guys, and if it's zade or any of the others you mentioned, its reagardless ubnormal and bad. And he gets too much hate because the is the love interest.
@SylvieI wasn't talking about what Zade did in his personal life. I was talking about what the organization did for the victims. It would be nice to know that we had people in higher places that would put that kind of dedication into that. Not just turn the other way. And I think in some of those cases you can't have black and white in how it is dealt with. Every situation is different and needs to be handled accordingly.
@HeatherI am talking about what Zade does in his personal life, and how its not something to romanticize. I cannot ignore the fact that he's a rapist beacuse he also does good work.
i wouldn't call Zade a rapist guys. He does f*ck with Adeline however if Adeline tells him to stop, he stops.And may I point out that if Adeline wanted to stop, she would've considering her rebel personality. But she enjoys the attachment to Zade as much as he does for her.
!it's just my opinion pls don't hate!
honestly the first book wasnāt really for me. some parts i enjoyed and some I didnāt. was it because of zade? some bits yes some bits no. the second book I felt his character got better. the mint chocolate chip ice cream scene was actually heartwarming.
yall hate on zade because of what he did? mind you this is fiction. i think more people would hate on the author because of what she writes about and it is completely her choice to write about him and his character. i send no hate to HD Carlton because i think if she wants to write about this she can and should be left in peace.
getting hate about writing something you want to write is not an authors goal. of course there will be the people who donāt like this book and thatās completely normal. but im saying if she wants to write this LET HER WRIT
@Heatheryour argument is like when you burn cake and you try to hide the burned part and taste with frosting and decoration
in fact
your argument is exactly what we mean by "romamtacizing a š ist" because you're using "he fights bad guys and the organization : to justify what he did
so thank you for proving my point
@AgāØļø
you obviously was so enamored by Zade that you didn't pay attention to the fact that " the first time Addie met Zade IN HER HOUSE he šed her with his gun while she was crying and saying no over and over"
and what is more disgusting is later she justify it by "i liked it" and her friend jokingly calls her sl^t
you know what is this? this is when ppl blame š victims because their body orgasims involuntary during the act
I am really sad that this book ever existed
it opened a can of worms against Dark Romance and gave ammunition to DR h8ers
also allowed other authors to even go further romanticising even more dangerous themes
Sylvie wrote: "@Agthe gun scene had consent?"
yes it did! well partially
@saraNo it did not. she was scared and she was repeatedly begging him to stop, you're delusional.
@sylvie Theres no need to be rude and call her delusional. And at the end of the day people have made their point and are aloud to have opinions.
If you donāt like what others have to say then itās your problem not theres.
At the end of the day some people like him some donāt and theres no need for arguments
@Urgirl_amaraI'm not being rude, tehre was no consent in the gun scene and no zade fan has yet given a valid argument, either they are here for understanding his charachter, of they ignore his rapist side bacsuse of his good deeds or they just outright say that addie liked it, none of it makes sense because this discussion is here for understanding zade fangirls and they themselves can't explain it.
Sylvie wrote: "@saraNo it did not. she was scared and she was repeatedly begging him to stop, you're delusional."
she had duct tape to her mouth so im not sure how she said stop.
Urgirl_amara wrote: "@sylvie Theres no need to be rude and call her delusional. And at the end of the day people have made their point and are aloud to have opinions.
If you donāt like what others have to say then itā..."
thank you! valid point everyone needs to be aware of when talking about a specific topic.
I only say one thing. Those girls who are romanticizing Zade, would they like some stalker to do such things to themselves? Stalking, assaulting, sending weird letters with flowers, breaking into the house, assaulting with a gun š¤¢
Itās fiction!!?? Just because we like it in books doesnt mean we would like it in real life
@Muneebthat's the problem, some zade girlies do romanticize about it.
Oh hey, he duct-taped her mouth before SA her, how nice of him!Let's hope a real-life weirdo stalker doesn't see a girlie saying on tiktok or goodreads that she wouldn't mind if Zade did to her the things he does to Adeline and the real life weirdo doesn't decide to volunteer to be her zade irl š hopefully the psychos out there don't get any ideas
I haven't read all the commens and Iām not trying to be disrespectful or attack anyone who likes Haunting Adeline. Everyone has the right to enjoy whatever books they want. But I think we need to be honest about what this book actually is, itās not a dark romance. Itās horror. Dark romance suggests darker themes and romance mixed with horror but in my opinion it feels like just plain horror.A lot of people defend Zadeās actions by saying theyāre "romantic" rather than just straight-up predatory. But that argument makes no sense. The quote by Kait Rokowski, "All that blood was never once beautiful. It was just red," sums it up perfectly, violence and rape arenāt beautiful, and they sure as heck arenāt romantic.
One of the worst arguments Iāve seen is that Adeline would have told Zade to stop if she really wanted him to, especially since she has a "rebel" personality. Thatās such a messed-up take. In real life, women with strong, outspoken personalities have been raped and werenāt able to speak up because they were scared, frozen, or in shock. The idea that someone has to verbally say "no" for it to count as assault just isnāt how it works. Fear doesnāt always let people react the way you think they should.
And letās talk about the stalking. Zade watches Adeline through her windows, sneaks into her house, and follows her without her knowingāall things that are terrifying and traumatic in real life. But the book frames it as obsessive love rather than the massive red flag it actually is. Thatās a scary message because, in reality, stalking victims donāt get a say in whether their stalker is "hot" or notāitās still a complete violation of autonomy and safety.
Then thereās the whole "she secretly wanted it" excuse. The book plays into the idea that a womanās verbal refusals donāt actually mean no if she internally enjoys something. Thatās literally the same excuse real-world abusers use: "She was playing hard to get," "She didnāt really mean it," "Deep down, she wanted me to keep going." This mindset normalizes coercion and ignores the importance of enthusiastic consent. If someone says no, it shouldnāt matter what theyāre thinkingāit should stop there.
Another issue is how Zade is framed as a "good" predator because he only targets traffickers while simultaneously violating Adeline. The book tries to make it seem like his good deeds cancel out the bad ones, but that logic doesnāt hold up. Being against trafficking doesnāt erase the fact that he repeatedly ignores Adelineās boundaries. You donāt get a free pass to assault someone just because you also take down "worse" criminals. Thatās not how morality works.
At the end of the day, Iām not saying people canāt read or enjoy Haunting Adeline, if you liked this book and found it healing then I'm happy for you. But I just want people to be honest about what they're consuming. And the argument that it is just fiction is not very valid considering that fiction essentially shapes how we view the world and can influence younger minds into thinking that what is happening in this book is normal and or ok. If the book was about pedophilia and rape and somebody used the "it's just fiction" argument, everybody would jump in and comment on how this argument isn't justified. I just would prefer if this book were marked as horror romance instead of dark romance (Even if I feel like romance is a stretch considering what he does to her).
Urgirl_amara wrote: "Itās fiction!!?? Just because we like it in books doesnt mean we would like it in real life"Mind you, but we are not living in the fiction!! I don't understand your reasoning, how can we not like it in real life if we are liking it in the books? If you don't like it in the real life then why are you liking it in the fiction?
Muneeb wrote: "Urgirl_amara wrote: "Itās fiction!!?? Just because we like it in books doesnt mean we would like it in real life"Mind you, but we are not living in the fiction!! I don't understand your reasoning..."
This point of view crashes the whole point of writing ANY fiction books. Also watching any fiction tv shows and movies. I understand you would love to watch your loved ones die in the Hogwarts battle? I sure wouldn't.
Ness wrote: "Muneeb wrote: "Urgirl_amara wrote: "Itās fiction!!?? Just because we like it in books doesnt mean we would like it in real life"Mind you, but we are not living in the fiction!! I don't understand..."
I'm sorry but your example doesn't fit here, loved ones also die in the real life, that's a reality of life and nobody can prevent it. But romantacizing kidnapping, stalking, SA with a gun should not be normalized, I guess you would love to watch all those dirty things in real life? I sure wouldn't.
Muneeb wrote: "Ness wrote: "Muneeb wrote: "Urgirl_amara wrote: "Itās fiction!!?? Just because we like it in books doesnt mean we would like it in real life"Mind you, but we are not living in the fiction!! I don..."
You just agreed with me while clearly trying to undermine my point. Yes, people die in real world. They also get kidnapped, SAd, killed with guns and many many many more. Nobody can prevent it, we try but that's the reality of life.
I would never want to be a part of it, live through war, see people die. Just like I would not want to live in the world of angry greek gods, dragons, dementors and orks.
Liking any genre of books/movies does not categorise a person and their beliefs. My favourite books are crimes yet I hate killing even mosquitos.
@Muneeb@Ness
Even if we separate fiction and realty, I am talking about how such fictional books have an impact on non-fiction minds, if yiu support this and are fine with this in fiction and you are basically promotion the author to create more harmful fictional content, and people will always like to live the good part of fiction, that's normal and acceptable, as i said before, problem comes when people see such fiction books [here, haunting adeline] and they see such stuff being romanticized [by the, book, author, fandom it dosent matter] and they start to fanticise about such stuff irl.
Yess trigger warnings are there for a reason and no one is forcing you to read the book.
Before any book, I read reviews about them and comments to know what Iām getting myself into.
H.d Carlton is releasing another book for Addie and zade and if u didnt enjoy the first two donāt pick up the next one cause it will most probably have some of the same elements!!
Just because you didnāt like a charcter doesnt mean we all have to aswell!