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i cant think rn, ill come back when my brain is working T^T
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A point I want to make: EVs aren't climate friendly. They're just as bad as gas-powered cars
The amount of people who have told me "Climate change isn't real!" Tell me that after you figure out a way to reverse the ice-caps melting.
At this rate, we're looking at a remake of maze runner. The moon itself pulls on water, including that inside our bodies. The sun flares are worse and both are messing up the environment because we can't stop using gas (or passing it/jk). But seriously, UV's aren't good for the skin, it gives us cancer (W/ Sai on this).
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Yeah :/
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The amount of people who have told me "Climate change isn't real!" Tell me that after you figure out a way to reverse the ice-caps melting.
At this rate, we're looking at a remake of maze runne..."
In my opinion the people who don't believe in climate change are just scared of an issue they aren't willing to go to lengths to resolve
Exactly. Also, commercial fishing is destroying the ocean, so unless you fish for it yourself, cutting fish out of your diet helps. Also, I can't stress this enough, DON'T THROW AWAY FOOD. NOT ONLY IS IT WASTEFUL AND ADDS TO LANDMINES, SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GOOD FOOD
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SAME. Like being anti-food waste is literally part of my religion
Not the chicken part tho. I live in the city. But my cousins in LA have chickens!!
CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "Yes, Zahra!!! My family NEVER throws away food - we either compost it and use it to grow more food in the garden, or we feed it to our chickens, who provide eggs for us"
Same!
Same!
And we have a pig who eats everything.
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you have a pig????
Santa Might wrote: "The amount of people who have told me "Climate change isn't real!" Tell me that after you figure out a way to reverse the ice-caps melting.
At this rate, we're looking at a remake of maze runne..."
Ok thats fair
im mainly going to comment on the UV rays
UV rays are the primary natural source of vitamin D. They're actually super beneficial to our health. With too much UV rays then it can cause cancer but i feel like unless you're outside all day everyday while the sun is shining then you won't get cancer due to UV rays.
Sai wrote: "Skybird (Nickname Sky) wrote: "And we have a pig who eats everything."
you have a pig????"
Yup. Her name is Pancake. We had another one named Waffle, but he died :(
you have a pig????"
Yup. Her name is Pancake. We had another one named Waffle, but he died :(
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i think this might be the wrong topic to post this (lmao second time), but trump has officially backed out of the green new deal and the paris agreement (correct me if im wrong).
does this not make anybody else want to slap him with an old, dirty sneaker? lmao just kidding but yk what i mean
Sai :) wrote: "guyssssi think this might be the wrong topic to post this (lmao second time), but trump has officially backed out of the green new deal and the paris agreement (correct me if im wrong).
does this..."
he just needs a high five. in his face. with a chair.
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i think this might be the wrong topic to post this (lmao second time), but trump has officially backed out of the green new deal and the paris agreement (correct me if im wro..."
I should not have laughed a this as hard as I did
I'd like to think climate change is very real: let's go on a essay-trip of my thought process. I warn users that I wrote this at two thirty am in the morning.
1) When an icecube melts it gives off cold air and eventually the area turns cold with it before heating up quickly.
2) Now if the ice caps are melting and we take that ice-cube concept and make it bigger, the earth is the glass. The glass will get cold then heat up quickly after, such is the law of the water cycle.
The cold can come in fronts which can bring hurricanes and tropical tornadoes. It can get hot enough that we start seeing fire-whirls, take Los Angeles, California, in example.
Just this last year it was snowing in June. Think about that for a second. It was snowing in June. I haven't seen a proper summer in America in years. Summer is cold like winter, you can barely tell the season change anymore. Right about February you start seeing the flowers rising, popping up like daisies because there's a little something called spring.
The Ozone traps heat. Now if there are 8.025 billion people on this planet respectively, 8.025 billion warm bodies and trillions of dead ones not including animals both living and deceased; You'd like to think it's hot enough to melt something?
That's not accounting fires, nuclear development and pollution levels. Pollution touches 99% of this planet. That means we are all at higher risk for heart disease, heat stroke, other uncommon or unlabeled side-effects. It causes one in eight deaths globally and contributed to 8.1 million deaths just as globally in 2021.
We have all been exposed to radioactive material in very small quantities and we wonder why the life average is lower (77.43 years avg in The US, A little over 70 global avg.) Retrospectively, Not only does burning fossil fuels make it worse for us, it makes the Ozone more likely to trap heat; makes it better at it.
It makes vapor (oxygen-like petrol) which causes humanity heightened emergencies because nowadays everything is more likely to catch fire (even though there was a possibility back in the day.) It has caused wildfire frequencies to raise higher and the season of burning in hell to increase.
The LITERAL COLOR of the SKY has changed, Not drastically but it has changed. Usually it changes more due to aerosol from fumes; I wonder where the aerosol is coming from /sarcasm. The warmer air causes the reflections off of humidity to make the sky more bright, white, pearly, you name it while winter seasons tend to hold a more oceanic blue. That sh-t is about to permanently look like it's summer and winter together / at once. Eventually, There won't be a change anymore.
It has gotten so horribly "sweltering" on our little rock that NASA records are showing loss or the melting of an estimated 150 BILLION TONS A YEAR. That's just the antarctic. Greenland is losing (melting) at a rate of 270 BILLIONS TONS A YEAR. The UN has said that 2020 was the third hottest year ever recorded, 2024 was to be a climate change milestone.
It's 2025. Stay with me now. We've seen changes in rainfall seasons, increased in drought due to the sun and the earth working like an over-oiled machine. Since the 1800s, humanity has tried and tried again to slow pollution levels for Climate sake, for our sake. The ocean is not only rising but warming up. If those caps melt any faster, science may uncover something they never wanted to uncover.
Let me make an example, in 2013 a strain of viruses dug up from thawing Siberian ice caps and you know what they called it? The scientists upstairs boldly proclaimed it "Zombie Viruses". 'Pithovirus sibericum' is a 30,000 year old infection which by the way is still highly contagious; which was identified twelve years ago. Another was found in Russia named "Pandoravirus yedoma". The government has slapped names like "walkers" and "runners" as types on this viral infection. This specific one is 48,500 years old.
Since 2013, Over 4,620 Billion tons of ice (Both Arctic and Greenland) have melted. Since these changes started occuring, it heightened the risk of things like world-wide Malaria 2.0. It causes floods which wipe neighborhoods and cities down quickly.
There is not a question about Climate Change, there is no room for lack of belief because it's no longer about a matter of belief, It's about how much time we have.Bibliography & Citations
*Note ; Listed in order of topic mention. I have stuck with trusted organizations, education sites and government platforms as cited sources. The only exception was "History.com" which is a site meant for history recall.
There are sources from the United Nations (UN), World Health Organization (WHO), Wikipedia, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (healthdata), ClientEarth, World Bank Open Data (datacommons), OurWorldInData, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), UCAR Center for Science Education (Ucar EDU), and the National Library of Medicine (PMC, NCBI, NLM, NIH).
- Water Cycle ; https://www.noaa.gov/education/resour...
- Fire Whirls ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_whirl
- 8.025 Billion+ people ; https://datacommons.org/place/Earth?u...
- 99% Pollution Touching Land ; https://www.who.int/news/item/04-04-2...
- Pollution Contributions to Death ; https://www.healthdata.org/news-event....
- Life Expectancy ; https://ourworldindata.org/life-expec...
- Vapors (Non-O2) and Fire ; https://fire.airnow.gov/#3.64/39.85/-...
- Fuels (Carbon Dioxide) & Climate ; https://www.clientearth.org/latest/ne...
- Fuels (Carbon Dioxide) 2 ; https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicator...
- Sky Color ; https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/...
- Arctic / Greenland Melting Stats ; https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/....
- 2024 - Climate Milestone ; https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/12/...
- Rainfall Changes ; https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicator....
- 1800s Anti-Movements ; https://www.history.com/topics/natura...
- Ocean Risings ; https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/p...
- Pandoravirus / Pithovirus ; https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles....
- Health Risks (Malaria 2.0 thing) ; https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/s...
- Flooding ; https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicator...
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and like i said earlier, we can't rely on the government to save us. we've all seen how that went. we need to start relying on ourselves. independent people like you and I have more power than you think. USE IT.
Yes it is an issue but scientific evidence shows that climate change has been happening since before the jurassic period.Our fossil fuels are not the reason for this and this clean energy thing is a false advertising as to make electricity you make fossil fuels that fill the air.Making semi trucks into all electric is hazardous for the driver and anyone on the road because all of a sudden the semi trucks battery could die or even blow up while on the road due to over heating or some severe defaults in the batteries they put in these trucks.Imagine driving down the highway, in your tesla and you see a semi truck behind you, on a hill and suddenly the truck itself dies?You will most likely be left for dead.
~Elk~ wrote: "Yes it is an issue but scientific evidence shows that climate change has been happening since before the jurassic period.Our fossil fuels are not the reason for this and this clean energy thing is ..."
I'm aware that it's been happening since before the Jurassic period, Human efforts speed up the process. That's what I was saying. Fossil fuels speed up the process, It is not the only effective reason behind climate change. I should've specified that from the start but then again I was up at two thirty in the morning writing a rant on climate.
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yes, it has been happening since before the jurassic. climate change is a natural part of our earth's atmospere. but climate change to the levels we're seeing today are a first-time occurrence in a long, long, long while (I forget how much--I can research an answer if you'd like). I linked an article below; scroll down a bit to the graph and you'll see what I mean. CO2 levels have always been fluctuating, but now we've veered completely off course, and yes, fossil fuels are the reason.
The one point you made that I agree with is the electric cars one. Electric cars aren't even climate-friendly unless you live in a renewable-powered city. And the batteries can be hazardous, though it is rare. However, engineers and scientists have found many different ways to make new batteries (out of crayfish shells, for example) that are less dangerous. My main point here is that if we wanted, we could make a perfectly clean power base for our civilization. Unfortunately, many of us don't want to, not because of costs or harms but because we don't believe it's necessary. Sadly, it is. And we're running out of time.
Remember 2024? I witnessed climate change with my own eyes. I'm a very outdoorsy person, my weekends dictated by the weather, and let me tell I noticed that the highs were in the nineties for most of summer vacation. Usually, we only have a couple of weeks touching the nineties. Summer, which usually lasts from late June to September, lasted from April to October, with March and November having hints of lingering heat. It hit 108 degrees F on Oct 2, in my city. I don't care where you live, October is supposed to be autumn. And right now it's supposed to be winter. So why are the daily highs in the early seventies? I have lived here all my life and know that this should not be happening. It's not a heat wave, because those only last for a week and a half at the very most. This is permanent change, and it is real.
https://iceds.anu.edu.au/news-events/...
Sai :) wrote: "~Elk~ wrote: "Yes it is an issue but scientific evidence shows that climate change has been happening since before the jurassic period.Our fossil fuels are not the reason for this and this clean en..."
I remember a fall where I got burned so bad (sunburns) I was bed-ridden for weeks. That shouldn't be happening in autumn, you're right.
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Sai :) wrote: "And climate change doesn't just bring heat. It brings all sorts of extreme weather. Two years ago, it snowed here. I live in the south bay area, in California. Want to know when it last snowed here..."
I did talk about snowing in June.
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Climate change is definitely a huge issue, and we need to make individual choices, as well as important leaders to make the right choices to help the climate. I just read a book called "Under the Sky We Make," and it was really helpful in teaching more about what is going on and how we can slow down climate change.
It talked about how we need to stop the root problem before doing more, like stopping fossil fuel usage before trying to take carbon out of the air with certain machinery.
The main things the book said that fight this root problem are flying less (this uses a huge amount of carbon - 250 kg), eating less meat (forests are cut down to make space for cattle land, and they emit a large portion of methane), and driving less.
And if we don't reduce our annual carbon usage to around 2 tonnes of carbon per year, we won't be able to reach a chance to bring the global temperature back down to 1.5 degrees celsius by 2030, which at this point, doesn't seem likely to happen, especially with the current government.
Here's a helpful link to calculate your carbon usage: https://pslifestyle-app.net/test
One of the things I found really worrying was that your area could end up feeling like you're around 500 miles below where you currently are, which means much higher temperatures.
Extreme temperatures, natural disasters, pandemics, wildlife going extinct, and more, will all become much more frequent and worse if we don't make big changes now.
Here's the book I referenced: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5...
Hopefully this was helpful :)
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I just read a book called "Under the..."
air conditioning is also a big thing (and like mini said in another topic it's kinda a paradox since acs bring heating, but when it's hot you just turn up your ac even more)
and yeah we actually hit 1.5 in 2024 😭
Yeah air conditioning and energy use are also important to limit. Oh I didn’t realize!! 😭
yes of course climate change is real. but I feel like some people don't understand that the climate is always changing. is it getting worse because of pollution? probably. but people need to realize the climate has been changing since the beginning of the earth. but yes climate change is a real thing. as a person who lives in Arizona, the last few years have had record breaking temperatures in Arizona. last year we experienced 113 days of above 100 degrees. and last year into this year we had 159 days of no rain. this is just in the valley btw, not up north.
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Well, I think we are destroying our planet, that God created for us. But we aren't the solution, like God made everything, he can also stop it. So I think it isn't so bad, because God will make the best for us. But still killing our planet is terrible.
The rise and fall of earth temperature is a circular process. In ancient and medieval times, the temperature was relatively high. But during 16th and 19th century, the little ice age started and the temperature was lowered. In now, the temperature is rising again. The recent phenomenon of global warming is not because of human activity. It is completely normal action of earth.
@이 지호 It is true that natural cycles of temperature change are normal, but global warming right now is not one of those regular events. And we know for a fact that it is being caused by human activity.Here’s why:
1. Current CO2 levels are higher than they have been in at least 800,000 years. Carbon emissions are caused by many human processes, including deforestation, drilling, and most notably, industrialization (electricity, cars, factories). And we know that carbon emissions trap warmth in the atmosphere, which leads to rapid warming, like what is happening right now.
2. And to prove that the carbon is coming from human activity, the chemical signatures of carbon dioxide in the air can be analyzed, and it matches fossil fuel carbon, not natural carbon emitting processes like volcanoes.
3. Also, the rate that the Earth is warming is 10 times faster than natural warming to at happened after ice ages, which proves that the current climate temperature is not following a regular pattern.
₊˚ ⁀➴ kenzie wrote: "@이 지호 It is true that natural cycles of temperature change are normal, but global warming right now is not one of those regular events. And we know for a fact that it is being caused by human activ..."Are you using ChatGPT? I guess you would know, AI is based on existing theses and research results. So it is speaking "mainline" or "government-approved" opinions, not facts.
Anyways, thank you for answering my comment. ^^
@이 지호 These are my sources if you were wondering. They are scientifically-proven facts, where evidence has been gathered and confirmed by certified experts who have spent their careers dedicated to providing accurate research results, not just “government-approved opinions”.The Ups and Downs of CO2 | AMNH
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/clim....
How do we know the build-up of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is caused by humans? | NOAA
Climate.gov
https://www.climate.gov/news-features...
Climate change occurring ten times faster than at any time in past 65 million years | ScienceDaily
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...
₊˚ ⁀➴ kenzie wrote: "@이 지호 These are my sources if you were wondering. They are scientifically-proven facts, where evidence has been gathered and confirmed by certified experts who have spent their careers dedicated to..."But one of your sources are literally climate."gov"
Even though it was published through a government site, the research matches many other reliable sources, which means it is backed-up and proved data. And the data comes from real scientists who collaborate, peer-review, and come to a consensus with their data. For example, the NOAA cites data used from international reports from IPCC, which includes experts from 195 countries. The website is clearly stating their scientific evidence, not opinions.
Also, over 97% of climate scientists agree that humans are causing climate change. Which is not a political stance, it’s a scientific one.
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here are some sources with a bunch of carbon concentration graphs (just keep scrolling) that all basically say the same thing
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth...
https://www.darrinqualman.com/atmosph...-
https://stories.tamu.edu/news/2021/06...
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/...
and even if yall disagree that co2 causes global warming, it's still important that we focus on decreasing it for health reasons:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s4189...
https://ethanolrfa.org/file/348/Modul...
please read the whole first source, it has lots of helpful info
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and this image from the first source shows that it is definitely not normal:
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth...
the data for the ice age cycles and stuff can definitely be trusted, scientists use "ice cores" to measure it which essentially means studying the millenia-old layers of ice in antarctica
Thank you for searching research datas. However, after analyzing the context, it's fair to say that people's recent concern about the climate crisis is “mass hysteria.”We have indoctrinated in school that "polar bears are dying because of melting icebergs", but actually population of polar bears was increased recently.
I think that recent agitation of "climate change" mass panic is led by solar panel companies. In my country, even the government was fallen for that lie and we're wasting our taxes and budget in that.
P.S. I recommend you guys to read these sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-lXV...
https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/...
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We have indoctrina..."
i agree that a lot of suggested changes, at least the mainstream ones, are kind of stupid, because they were clearly thought up by people who didn't do any research. if you really want to help, you have to think beyond just tossing stuff in the recycle bin (fun fact a lot of things meant to be recycled just get thrown away in the end)
i think this topic needs to be renamed, it is a factual, real issue, i just lowkey think it's kind of a stupid name no offense, when literally all argument against it is actual bogus, climate change is how we got from the ice age to the modern age it has always been happening
이 wrote: "Thank you for searching research datas. However, after analyzing the context, it's fair to say that people's recent concern about the climate crisis is “mass hysteria.”We have indoctrinated in sch..."
i havent seen either of your links but i generally dont blindly trust youtube videos and dcinside is an anonymous south korean public forum like 4chan soooo yeah also dont trust that
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Yeah 🥲 this is a really old one
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someone summon some controversy
i need to nerd out
movie about climate change lolwatch the day after tomorrow
