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Betsy | 3479 comments 'The Sea Shall Not Have Them' is one of my all-time favorites. Reminds me I need to watch it again soon.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Jill wrote: "Betsy wrote: "I like that about the 'Single Indemnity' name!"

This film follows almost exactly Double Indemnity even to the end when Fred MacMurray is shot and dictating his confession, except tha..."


Hilarious!


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Laura | 588 comments I have a couple weeks off (but some of that I will be in california for a cousins' reunion. Funny thing is none of us are FROM California actually...just one of my cousins lives there....so there you have it.)


However, I'm hoping to have some time to watch some movies and catch up on some classics....so I may start filling the timeline up HA. I have had hardly anytime to watch anything lately....


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Jill H. (bucs1960) | 3893 comments Have a great couple of week, Laura!!


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
Rene Clement's controversial, "Forbidden Games". Long heard about, finally need to view.

"Billy Liar" by John Schlesinger. Always eager to see Tom Courtenay perform.


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Jill H. (bucs1960) | 3893 comments Last month, we talked about L'Atalante and I stated that I was not overly impressed with it and would watch it again as recommended by Magnus.

I did and must say that I liked it a bit more than on initial viewing. It may have been the photography that caught my eye this time but it still seemed very long and rather dull. I have a feeling that it is a film that one either really likes or thinks is boring. But I wanted to give it a second chance since we often enjoy a film better on second viewing. I did but still am rather puzzled as to it's "classic" reputation.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
Aye. I've dismissed it from my TBD list as just not worth the effort. It has too many of the flaws which are off-putting to me, about silents.

Where exactly is this eloquent visual poetry everyone claims? Maybe in his other three flicks? Huh.

I might revisit sometime only to view Michel Simon's scenes. But the whole focus of the tale --a woman leaving her loving husband 'because she is bored' --just doesn't sit well with me.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments It's summer so I'm mining New Hollywood for forgotten gems and unabashed nostalgia as I always do at this time of the year. And I'm still digging up the goods (and a few duds too).
I've never seen any of the following:
'Oklahoma Crude' with Faye Dunaway and George C. Scott. I'm keenly aware of the former's frail mental health which gives her best performances a vulnerability to counter her stunning looks. Both are certainly on display in this one. (I'm no fan of C. Scott's but his unloved overacting style is thankfully kept in check in this one). Overall I thought it's one of Kramer's better films (which isn't saying too much).
'Heroes' - Henry Winkelman and Sally Field play on odd couple, he a damaged Vietnam vet, she the gal who falls for him despite his quirks. It's an unsual mix of rom com and issue film with enough charm to make it quite likeable.
'Macon County Line' - half retro exploitation flick, half fact-based social drama, this was another film that was a huge success at the time on a tiny budget (the sequel starred Don Johnson and Nick Nolte) and which has become forgotten over time. I thought it was going to be some sort of chase movie but was positively surprised to find it's closer to 'In Cold Blood' and 'Two Lane Blacktop'. Well worth a look.

I was less impressed by my re-watch of Michael Crichton's 'Terminal Man' with George Segal and Jill Clayburgh. Great cast but definitely a letdown.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
H'mmm! Yes these are interesting selections. I'm familiar with all of them; and I agree with your reactions.

They are all rather 'marred' by one thing or another yet they all somehow still exude a low-key, effective charm.

'Macon County Line' is an obscure gem for hot-rod fans. Gobs of sex appeal and excellent period-piece production values. It's elegiac in a way. As I recall don't they wind up on foot at the end? The actress went on to further fame in 'General Hospital'. Really only Nolte went on to become a superstar.

George C. Scott & Dunaway achieve a memorable chemistry; with Scott keeping soft-spoken and Dunaway spitting nails at him. It all winds up being okay because what could be more hilarious than George C. Scott urinating on the villain, Jack Palance?

'Terminal Man' by Michael Crichton is another fine paperback thriller from him but the movie turns into just another tale of a man running amok. Totally wasted opportunity to state something valid about cybernetics.

'Heroes' is a sleepy little feel-good flick with Henry Winkler who wound up going nowhere with his movie career; this was rather his last grab at big-screen chops. The truth is he just wasn't physically "big enough" for the big time. He was rather frail and spindly in frame and build. This flick confirms that he had basic acting competence. The story is almost stolen away by his sidekick in the story, Harrison Ford; who plays a country bumpkin/hellraiser.

I commend you for seeking out all these dark horses.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
Zachary Scott in 'Guilty Bystander' (1950) looks good


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments More New Hollywood for me, some good, some rubbish.
Let's start with the latter. I didn't finish 'Vigilante Force' (1975) despite the presence of Kris Kristofferson. It was just too crudly made for my liking, not B, but F-material.
Likewise, 'Lifeguard' (1976) did nothing for me. Sam Elliott played the title role at a time when he hadn't yet developed his gravitas. The film is really just some macho wish fulfillment. All the gorgeous gals fall for him head over heals, and he just takes whatever comes his way, underage or not. Perhaps it looked cool at the time but it has aged very badly. Life is too short for bad films.
A very nice surprise however was 'Lolly-Madonna XXX' (1974). It's based on a novel by Sue Grafton and stars Robert Ryan, Rod Steiger, Jeff Bridges, Scott Wilson, Ed Lauter Randy Quaid and Gary Busy. The story deals with two feuding families in Tennessee, a futile fight that turns very ugly very soon (the triple 'X' from the title are kisses btw). Great performances all around, even Rod Steiger is underacting for a change and all the better for it.
The film also reminded me of how much I like Jeff Bridges. I've already lined up other titles with him so watch this space.


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Betsy | 3479 comments Have to admit I rarely watch 'New Hollywood' since there are so many of the classics that I still haven't seen. Between those and the books I'm trying to read for the Reading Challenge, I haven't much time. Hope you're having a good summer, Magnus.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
'Lolly Madonna XXX'
'Lifeguard',
'Vigilante Force'

I'm a fan of all three. You've never seen them before?

I'd re-watch any of these, anytime, with great pleasure.

Another one similar, would be 'Big Wednesday'.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Betsy wrote: "Have to admit I rarely watch 'New Hollywood' since there are so many of the classics that I still haven't seen. Hope you're having a good summer, Magnus."

Thank you, Betsy. It's been stifling hot here, but that's the way it's going to be increasingly, isn't it? I do like the summer though. Hope you're having a nice one too :)

I get what you say about lack of time. I also watch a few tv series (after a TV hiatus of several years). But in my case the result is I rarely watch films from the 'classic' period anymore, and never in summer...


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Feliks wrote: "'Lolly Madonna XXX'
'Lifeguard',
'Vigilante Force'

I'm a fan of all three. You've never seen them before?

I'd re-watch any of these, anytime, with great pleasure."


Nope, I hadn't seen them before - and as I said, it's highly unlikely I ever watch two of them again. Different strokes, and all that ;)


message 166: by Betsy (last edited Jul 07, 2025 07:22AM) (new)

Betsy | 3479 comments Big night on TCM for me with 3 favorites: His Girl Friday, Lawrence of Arabia, Seven Samurai, and Yojimbo which I've never seen! By tomorrow, I'll be out on my feet.


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Jill H. (bucs1960) | 3893 comments His Girl Friday has to be the fastest talking film in history. I watched it again to pick up all the innuendo. Great film!!!


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Laura | 588 comments Jill wrote: "His Girl Friday has to be the fastest talking film in history. I watched it again to pick up all the innuendo. Great film!!!"

It's one of my favorites!


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Betsy | 3479 comments We know the 'fast talk' was deliberate, except for a few scenes which were slowed down like the 'production for use' discussion. Terrific movie with all the actors adding to it.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments For what it's worth, more Jeff Bridges. The next one I tried wasn't very good, despite the excellent cast. 'Kiss Me Goodbye' (1982) stars Sally Field, James Caan, Bridges and Claire Trevor in her last screen appearance. Alas, it's just not funny enough to work.
Much better were 'The Last American Hero' (1973) with Bridges as a moonshiner-turned-NASCAR racer, and he's excellent.
He's equally good in 'Bad Company' (1972), Robert Benton's debut as a film director after co-writing 'Bonnie and Clyde' and 'What's Up Doc?'. The film is absolutely brilliant, a story that could easily be a Bob Dylan or Townes Van Zandt ballad. I'd seen it before and liked it even better this time.
Sad aside - Bridges co-star Barry Brown committed suicide a few years after this.
Also in the cast are Ed Lauter, Geoffrey Lewis and David Huddlenson who'd become the other 'Lebowski' in the Coen classic.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
Interesting. I believe I'm familiar with director Robert Benton, who has done several films I admire.

I don't usually expend much thought on Jeff Bridges. I'm sure he's done more films in his early career than I'm aware of. 'Bad Company' --that's exactly what has happened here. Looks quite good; but it just never registered on me. He's got a couple other obscure ones.

I've seen him do some decent stuff, but it's usually a struggle to stick with him. He too often strikes me as simply a California beach boy. The glib charm wears off quickly.

Arguably Redford started out that way too; and so did Eastwood. But they seem to soar to great heights; whereas Jeff Bridges always seems to stay just ...Jeff Bridges.

Another similar: Jan-Michael Vincent. Jan-Michael Vincent always seems to stay just ...Jan-Michael Vincent.

Bridges' puppy-dog-capering works well in 'Thunderbolt & Lightfoot', but if I had to pick just one title which features him predominantly? It'd probably be Lolly Madonna.


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Magnus wrote: "Kiss Me Goodbye' ..."

Reportedly, Caan had harsh words for Mulligan after that flop. I know Caan was always headstrong but it seems to me a little raw to go so far as to bash the director of, 'To Kill a Mockingbird'


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Feliks wrote: "Interesting. I believe I'm familiar with director Robert Benton, who has done several films I admire.

I don't usually expend much thought on Jeff Bridges. I'm sure he's done more films in his earl..."


I know what you mean about Bridges. That is, I never noticed him until my second watch of Lebowski. It's become an all-time favourite although a lot of his other career choices have left me cold. But going back to his early films I'm very much amazed. He makes it look so simple, almost like Mitchum. And yet if you compare closely his performances in 'Last Picture Show', 'Last American Hero', 'Lolly-Madonna XXX' and 'Bad Company', they are very different, but in a non-showy way, the way I like it.

Re. Caan, wasn't he supposed to have been a bit of a blow-hard? I mean most stars are 'difficult' (demanding etc), and they get away with it as long as they delivery 'the work'. When they're on their way down, long suffering colleagues somestime open up. I think I read something about Caan being... somewhat hard to get along with.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
Caan yes probably too often got out-of-hand. He seemed to feel he was a force in the industry "who never got the recognition he really deserved".

Big-headed, hot-headed. Can't be denied.

In his defense, he did turn in a long string of fascinating performances.

And I don't recall that he typically gave his directors trouble; but that he liked doing his scenes in an intuitive manner (less rehearsing) and that this grated on some of the method-acting types who shared the scene with him.

He had good chemistry with Alan Arkin, who adhered to his 'loose' format.

And he fit in well with the rest of the cast of 'Godfather'. Horsing around, pranking.

For more Jeff Bridges, find him in a version of 'The IceMan Cometh'. There's two --one by Lumet and one by ...Frankenheimer. I forget which one it is but it gives him plenty of room to show his stuff.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Feliks wrote: "Caan had good chemistry with Alan Arkin, who adhered to his 'loose' format.
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For more Jeff Bridges, find him in a version of 'The IceMan Cometh'."


Oh, you mean 'Freddie and Bean' (or something like that) - and I agree. They make a hilarious, foul-mouthed pair, very funny.

Re. Iceman, I'm circling that one very carefully. It has good ratings on imdb and a great cast. But it's presumably filmed theatre, and it runs something like 4 hours. That's the kind of thing I usually avoid at all cost. I appreciate that O'Neil is a biggie but I've never really got him much (as I do go Tennessee Williams, for instance). I actually saw a production of the play with Kevin Spacey when he ran the Old Vic theatre (in London) but it didn't leave too much of an impression on me. Dunno. Brigdes, March, Ryan... It is a great cast. I might start watching. I can always turn it off...


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
If you've never seen 'Iceman' or if you are unfamiliar with O'Neill in general, both the Frankenheimer and the Lumet version are each fascinating.

Either would make an excellent introduction to O'Neill. I found Lee Marvin's interpretation equal to Jason Robards', & vice-versa. So --removing that from the equation entirely, the adaptation I would prefer to view again is whatever one has Frederick March as Harry Hope. I actually forget who played Harry Hope in whatever version March did not star in. March really shines with O'Neill's material.

Bridges vs Redford, no lack in either. And I would take Robert Ryan over Myron McCormack.

Yes, you can still enjoy either version even if you turn the player off, take timed breaks, and ingest it at intervals.

Even proceeding cautiously in such manner --I still say you should go for it.

From the caliber of your random comments in this group I know you are more than up to it.

Specifically regarding the Iceman's storyline --no, I wouldn't label it O'Neil's very best. Only because it is rather sprawling, and not as focused as some of his other stuff.

But is certainly snappy, and unforgettable. Crackles like a bonfire.

Yes, there's good reason it's never been anything more than a filmed stage-play. It's simply the kind of extraordinary animal that it is. It's theater; not cinema.

But do not worry that it will be claustrophobic --like for instance, 'Twelve Angry Men'. The reason it is not suffocating is simple: the size of the cast.

So as an example of what he can do, it is blazing and fiery. Might even be a revelation to you --if you've yet to ever explore this realm. You might find yourself immediately, 'hooked'.

It's a tremendously rewarding/enriching journey to embark upon.

Even more so than Tennessee Williams, O'Neil is just thundering, powerfully compelling.

As much as I enjoy Williams there's no doubt in my mind that O'Neill is the leading playwright we've ever produced.

I myself started reading his works first and then accidentally discovering the film versions. "Long Day's Journey Into Night", (probably what he is foremost known for, adapted for Kate Hepburn) then "The Long Voyage Home" filmed with John Wayne...then all his marvelous One-Act plays ..then, "Anna Christie" (filmed with Garbo) ..."Emperor Jones" ...there's just no end to his creativity.

And even then, I hadn't even discovered juggernauts like "Strange Interlude" (a play in nine acts,) or The Orestes Trilogy which is three separate plays.

O'Neill is simply a world of his own, which stands off to one side of everything else we're familiar with. It's the big league.

Give any of the titles above, a fair chance -- and I'm sure you won't regret it.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
This must be the most difficult comedy to track down, ever

Title:

"Phffft!"

But whatta cast: Jack Lemmon, Judy Holliday, Jack Carson, Kim Novak


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Jill H. (bucs1960) | 3893 comments I have heard about that film but have never seen it.


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the plot sounds like my favorite light/comedy romance of all time.

The Brit pic, 'Perfect Strangers' with Deb Kerr & Robert Donat

No flick is sweeter or more gentle, towards poor distraught married people


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments I agree with your take on 'Perfect Strangers' btw. It's lovely.

This week I've been on a New Hollywood, pre-Star Wars Scifi trip. It all started with 'THX 1138'. I hadn't seen it in over 25 years. In fact, 20 years ago George Lucas produced a director's cut which I'd therefore never seen but it's easily the best film of his career. And it's really quite wonderful, a grown-up film, a lot closer in tone to Kubrick's '2001' than Lucas' own 'Star Wars'. It's still somewhat uncomfortable to start with. He uses a myriad of distancing techniques that you have to overcome but if/when you do it becomes a magnificient, suprisingly funny and sad film that is never less than visually stunning. And the soundscape Lucas and Walter Murch created is amazing.

My appetite for the genre thusly whetted, the next couple of movies were letdowns. 'A Boy And His Dog' (1975) stars Don Johnson and Jason Roberts and tells the gruesome postapocalyptic tale of a telepathic, talking dog that sniffs out girls for his human master. If that sounds strange, the film is worse than it sounds. I didn't finish it.

Somewhat better was 'Dark Star' (1974), John Carpenter's student film. A lot of it is played for laughs and some of the jokes are funny. Many of them aren't. Unlike Lucas, Carpenter went on to produce much better work over the next 10 years or so.

Last night I rewatched 'Logan's Run' (1976), a real camp classic. I suppose when American hear posh English actors (like Michael York and Jenny Agutter in this case), it creates a sense of otherwordliness which must have been the intention of casting them here. The effect on viewers in the UK couldn't be any more different, but apart from that there is still some fun to be had with this, a guilty pleasure, I suppose. The special effects are pretty bad, the sets look like they come from some 30's Buck Rogers serial but it runs along at a nice little clip, and when we finally get to see Peter Ustinov (doing an American accent) it's all be somewhat worthwhile.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
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Interesting!

SF is my least favorite genre; but I too admire THX 1138. There's much in it which startles. I wouldn't heap any paeans on it but I agree it is a neglected milestone.

Others in the list: I certainly dig the direction of LQ Jones and the presence of Don Johnson. 'A Boy and His Dog' is Harlan Ellison source material after all. I can't say I would watch it more than once but I was satisfied by it. Got a kick out of it.

"Logan's Run" ...well ...could've been a lot better than it turned out. A good try.

Dark Star: fun/forgettable.

Titles I might add to this compendium? Pickings are slim.

Maybe 'The Hellstrom Chronicle' ...or ...'The Tenth Man' (starring Mastroanni/Andress) ... 'Barbarella' ..'Silent Running' ...absolutely include: "Rollerball which is probably best-of-breed in this field.

Meanwhile, 'Demon Seed is SF+horror. Worth a look.

And --although it's my least fave genre --certainly "La Jetee'" is one of my Top 25 films of all time. It's also my favorite short film.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Feliks wrote: "re: msg #180
Interesting!

SF is my least favorite genre; but I too admire THX 1138."


Thanks for your input. SF isn't my favourite genre either - far from it. Thanks also for your suggestions. I have seen all of them but Hellstrom Chronicle. In fact, that one I haven't even heard of. I just looked it up and find it's a documentary - is that the one you mean?

I may have to re-watch 'Westworld' and 'The Andromeda Strain'. Both are the work of Michael Crighton which brings me to 'Coma' That's another one I may have to dig out again.
In the meantime I watched Brian de Palma's 'Phantom of the Paradise'. I'd tried before and didn't get very far. This time I finished it but I didn't like the music so it was a bit of a chore, not an experience I'm likely to repeat. They can't all be good...


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Yep, the documentary. But it's really a mockumentary. A pioneer in the form.

Ehh. Otherwise ..in general, that early '70s stuff is a murky swamp to wade through. Never know what you'll find.

"Phase IV" --I liked. Sleeper from outta nowhere. Similar to "Hellstrom Chronicle" except deadly serious.

"The Lathe of Heaven" --taken from a classic SF novella --I found unbearably dull.

"The Terminal Man" --a fine Crichton novel; but tepid on-screen.

"Westworld" --another Crichton but of course, a stunner. We all know that.

"Charley" is arguably, SF. Speaks for itself.

"Damnation Alley" --again based on Dean Koontz? Just awful. Avoid at all costs. He also did "Demon Seed" for Camell, listed above.

I suppose what I'm suggesting is that quality varies so widely in indie, low-budget SF. More than any other genre, maybe.

Whereas just a few years earlier, the studios were still churning out pretty decent big budget stuff.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
p.s. due to this past few series of posts I went looking for the 'Andromeda Strain' screenplay. My collection has long lacked this piece.

It's out there --and in good condition.

But so far I've only located it on Scribd. And to nab it from Scribd, I hadda sign up for a free 7 day trial (which I immediately cancelled moments later).


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Spencer Rich | 1147 comments I didn't know The Lathe of Heaven was made into a film. Good piece by Ursula LeGuin. I guess I should try and find the film and see if I agree with your judgement.


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By all means. If you find some merit in it I myself would give it another try. Source material is first-rate. Of course not every novel successfully translates very well to the screen.

Bruce Davison is a low-key actor but he always seemed earnestly trying to elevate his game. I like that quality; and he's surprisingly good in certain obscure roles, such as 'The Wave'. Chilling.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments I've tracked down two more Jeff Bridges titles, namely 'Hearts of the West' (1975) and 'Somebody Murdered Her Husband' (1978). I'll start with the latter. The ludicrous title and it's 4.9 rating on imbd set the bar low for my expecatation which might have been a good thing. I ended up enjoying it. Farrah Fawcett and Bridges' goofy on-screen chemistry almost works, and the script sends them to enough would-be Hitchcockian complications to make it worth the ride. Not exactly memorable but good fun.

'Hearts of the West' co-stars Blythe Danner (Gwenyth Paltrow's mum), Andy Griffith, Alan Arkin and Marie Windsor among many others. It's a gentle comedy set in the early 30s so it fits right into New Hollywood's nostalgia cycle (Bonnie and Clyde, Godfather, Chinatown, The Way We Were, The Sting, They Only Shoot Horses, The Day of the Locaust, etc) when the 30s were about as far back as the 1980s are now. The setting is a B-Western outfit that Bridges happens upon and gets engaged as an actor although he would much rather become a Western author. Again, the movie is very enjoyable without being cynical, cruel or extreme enough to make much of a dent in the box office back then.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
"Somebody Killed Her Husband" and the Dino De Laurentis "King Kong" greatly helped steer me to my general apathy for Jeff Bridges ...


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
p.s. what film buff on earth does not immediately recognize the illustrious name of, Blythe Danner? Never heard of any other individual with that surname. Same as Louise Fletcher or Ellen Burstyn. All in the same top tier talent; it's elite company no one can enter by mere nepotism.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Feliks wrote: "p.s. what film buff on earth does not immediately recognize the illustrious name of, Blythe Danner? Never heard of any other individual with that surname. Same as Louise Fletcher or Ellen Burstyn. ..."

That's funny though I hasten to add I haven't met many people called 'Blythe' either. I must move in the wrong social stratosphere ;)

Btw I only just found out that 'Hearts of the West' is the upteenth remake of 'Merton of the Movies' which started as a play in 1922 and was filmed in 1924, 1932 (as 'Make Me A Star' with Joan Blondell) and in 1947 (with Red Skelton). The 70s version is obviously quite different, and Bridges' character never wants to become an actor per se but a writer so the focus has shifted greatly.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
Magnus wrote: "Merton of the Movies ..."

Unacknowledged remakes happen at a much more rapid rate now; as genuinely fresh writing gets rarer and rarer. Creative staleness itself may be due to individual experiences decreasing and homogenous lifestyles expanding [gentrification, consumerism, materialism, conformity].


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments I've very nearly reached the end of my Jeff Bridges cycle. Last night I rewatched John Huston's 'Fat City' (1972) which is simply terrific. Bridges and Stacy Keach play very likable losers who try (and fail) to get ahead as boxers. Both deliver great performances as does Susan Tyrell. There's very little story and heaps of atmosphere. I struggle to reconcile the director of classic Hollywood classics (Maltese Falcon, Treasure in Sierra Madre, Asphalt Jungle, Misfits, Heaven Knows, Mr Allison, Night of the Iguana) with the director of 'Fat City' but when Huston was good (between the duds), he was very good.
While my Bridges season is winding down, I've started a Robert Duvall one without really noticing. So far I've seen 'THX 1138' and 'Tomorrow' (1973), the latter being a heartbreakingly tragic and austere story that should be better known. It's an adaptation by Horton Foote of a William Faulkner short story. Foote and Duvall often worked together. I rewatched their first collaboration the other day and loved it (at a previous watch I found the kids annoying but this time I was fine with them). I'm talking about 'To Kill a Mockingbird', of course, Gregory Peck's arguably finest hour but also the feature debut of Duvall.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
These are distinguished movies.

I've seen Faulkner's rural gut-buster, "Tomorrow" and valued the introduction to his style; though my appetite was not whetted for more. Too gloomy. Poor whites during the Reconstruction just doesn't intrigue me; I've never gotten into Faulkner's massive output. Not sure why; 'specially since I follow plenty of that era's music. Just never had time for him. I've read practically every other notable Southern novelist except he and Willa Cather. There must be some destiny in this.

Meanwhile "Fat City" is highly regarded by just about anyone who's ever seen it. Usually ranked among everyone's top 4-5 boxing movies. Was that Susan Tyrell co-starring? She always catches my eye, similar to Ronee Blakely. Anyway I'm always pleased to see Stacy Keach receive a juicy plum assignment like that. As with Caan, he just never received the recognition he strove for.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments I get what you say about 'Tomorrow'. It is gloomy and depressing, a concept what puts me off sitting through that 4-hour adaptation of O'Neill's work we've discussed some time ago. The idea of listening to drunk guys rambing on and on, filmed theatre, just isn't for me. Having said that, I found 'Tomorrow' ultimately very moving (and I didn't feel that way when I saw O'Neill at the Old Vic).


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Betsy | 3479 comments Magnus, did you see 'Green Grow the Rushes' when you were doing your British films? It kind of reminded me of 'Passport to Pimlico'.


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Feliks (dzerzhinsky) | 3641 comments Mod
Magnus wrote: "I get what you say about 'Tomorrow'. It is gloomy and depressing, a concept what puts me off sitting through that 4-hour adaptation of O'Neill's work we've discussed some time ago. The idea of list..."

But "Iceman" is much different than "Tomorrow". "Iceman" is a study of dreams than misery. The 'ole gang in Harry Hope's saloon are united by their dreams. They sentimentally lean on each other while they wait for Hickey to arrive. It's "wistful" rather than viscerally sad. Only Ryan's character --the ex socialist --is truly bitter, but his tale is a sub-plot. "Wallowing-in-the-past" is not the main theme of the play.

Instead, there's huge tension in that they're all waiting for Hickey to show up for his usual drunken orgy the way he always does when he returns from his sales territory. When he arrives, a sprawling philosophical battle ensues; but the story ends upbeat.

Whereas Faulkner, delivers genuinely raw unadorned doom upon Tom (I believe that is Duvall's character name)


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Betsy wrote: "Magnus, did you see 'Green Grow the Rushes' when you were doing your British films? It kind of reminded me of 'Passport to Pimlico'."

Hello Betsy. No. In fact, I'd never heard of 'Green Grow the Rushes'. I just looked it up and it sounds great. I'm pretty sure I'll go back to UK films this winter. Is it any good, should I put it on my list?


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Feliks wrote: "...but the story ends upbeat.
Whereas Faulkner, delivers genuinely raw unadorned doom upon Tom (I believe that is Duvall's character name)"


I do get it. I think if I'd only seen a clip of 'Tomorrow', I wouldn't have followed through. Luckily I went in knowning nothing about it. Still, half an hour in I was close to switching it off. Duvall's accent reminded me of Billy Bob Thornton in 'Switch Blade' (which I've never seen in its enterity). I mean, I didn't know enough about US accents to say whether those kinds really exist in real life or are made up (a little bit of online research tells me they do exist but are pretty rare). But like I said, at the films end I was totally moved.


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Betsy | 3479 comments Magnus wrote: "Betsy wrote: "Magnus, did you see 'Green Grow the Rushes' when you were doing your British films? It kind of reminded me of 'Passport to Pimlico'."

Hello Betsy. No. In fact, I'd never heard of 'Gr..."


It's subtley funny. Its no 'Pimlico' but worth watching if you have the time. Just thought about you when I saw it because of the British humor.


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Magnus Stanke (magnus_stanke) | 1010 comments Betsy wrote: "It's subtley funny. Its no 'Pimlico' but worth watching if you have the time. Just thought about you when I saw it because of the British humor."

:) Thanks for the tip. I have added it to my winter watch list. The synopsis made me think of 'Whisky Galore' too. I look forward to it.


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