Morales 2341 Spring 2015 Class MW discussion
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Adultery and Immorality - The Storm
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She had no loyalty towards her husband. i would say that yes, it was immoral, It was not right for Calixta to do what she did by any means, She was married, she had a sexual encounter during a storm while her husband and son were else where during the storm, it makes me think Calixta was a sly woman.it deffinetely does make me question her morals as a woman,How can she behave so casual after her husband came home, how can she just brush off her guilt if she felt any at all. because a woman cheating on her husband sounds worse, or it sounds more uncommon than vise versa. as For Alcee, he was married but because he wife seemed as though she was okay he was away for long, it seemed like he was longing for love. I think that when The Storm passed it also meant causing a storm on her marriage as well. I think the moral issues that are raised are, how does a woman commit adulty in such a time, obviously she had a history with Alcee, but the feelings were still there, and maybe after they had their sexual encounter the feelings were left for closure. The issue here was Calixta committing adulty and being able to on about her day as if nothing happened. She was not loyal to her husband, or to her family, she found an opportunity and cheated on her husband.
Of course there is controversy on the lack of moral closure. I believe that the worst kind of betrayal is the unfaithful kind, it breaks the connection that bond that you create with your partner. If one cannot be keep that very sacred part of marriage why marry? If you can’t be loyal to your partner, how can you be loyal to anyone? The lack of moral character for just a few moments of pleasure should not be forgiven or forgotten. The controversial issues with the end come from people that felt betrayed and hurt by the story. How the husband who is obviously in love with his wife can does not know what happened, everyone happy? He will be lied to until the end of days. I feel that if the story were to continue the end of the story would be that Calixta’s confesses to the infidelity before she dies and the husband now would be losing his wife and his peace of mind knowing he lived with a woman that lied to him and to their children. I think that in her time of in our present time faithfulness should not change ever since loyalty and honesty should prevail in our pursuit of happiness.
Why is it so bad when woman do it but when man do it is normal? Where are her moralities? Her shame? "A passionate creature whose very defenselfness had made her defense" which helps me understand that the body is weak and temptation has won. A woman who has sex with another man while he is out grocery shopping iwth their son. The closing sentence definately seems inmoral because it leaves the reader with the doubt of what really happens next. The storm is what Alcee and Calixta created because they are both commiting adultary and the rain is just a metaphor to their actions.
We we take vows in marriage they are sacred so yes Calixta's is wrong to have cheated on her husband. This is a moral issue and more than anything she will lie to her husband and her children for as long as she can to get by with it. While I know she had history with the other man but she chose to marry another man and have children with him. In the last line "everyone was happy" my question would be Calixta's would not be if he knew she had slept with another man. The Storm is representing to me what she feels about her marriage and the other man she longs for. In reality she does get what she wants in a way to be with the man she loved so many years ago and the stability of her husband and her children. In my opinion it is wrong morally and she should not have caved into her desires.
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are women's morals different than men? How so?
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It's funny that we are hard on Calixta, but not many mention Alcee. He is married too. Why is this?
I think for me I always take the woman's side and what she should do. The old saying boys will be boys for me. I know this is wrong but being from the south this is what I was taught. I guess not high expectations from my point of view.
Lillian wrote: "Suzette wrote: "She had no loyalty towards her husband. i would say that yes, it was immoral, It was not right for Calixta to do what she did by any means, She was married, she had a sexual encount..."Mrs. Morales, i want to say that both women and men have sexual fantasies, and women do fantasize about being with other men, but women are more reserved, or at least they should be, because society portrays woman who cheat in a bad way, Like oh my god she cheated, when a man cheats, its not to say that its expected BUT its like his respoisibilties are nothing like a mother, plus she seemed like a real floozy though towards they end, AS a married woman, i would think she would hold herself up better, by not cheating, maybe thinking about her son and husband if she were to of been caught, she would be frowned upon, Now as for Alcee, he was far away from his wife so it was like he longed for having sex for the sake of him being a man... he was away from his wife and wanted some sex.
Suzette wrote: "Lillian wrote: "Suzette wrote: "She had no loyalty towards her husband. i would say that yes, it was immoral, It was not right for Calixta to do what she did by any means, She was married, she had ..." shes a women with little to no dignity, a women with little worthy.
I sure believe it was immoral because, Calixta was married and she cheated on her husband. They both commit adultery. Their passionate feelings and desire for each other lead them in having sexual encounters. Calixta should have respected herself. But in no need they never showed remorse or guilt. They both were satisfied of the moment and did not bother in thinking about their families. The storm can be symbolize as something that comes and goes and in and out that just passes by. Just leaving destruction, and that's what they left even though their families did not find out. She and Alcee could have dealt things differently. But there pre-spark was not finished and they had to experience it once again. Her decision was a wrongful choice. If she committed adultery with Alcee, what makes us believe that she probably will never be faithful to her husband. Or even Alcee they both went on with their lives like anything had happen. Regarding, about their loyalty and trust it meant anything to them their desire was much stronger.
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Suzette wrote: "Lillian wrote: "Suzette wrote: "She had no loyalty towards her husband. i would say that yes, it was immoral, It was not right for Calixta to do what she did by any means, She was married, she had ..."
So we forgive him because he had a situation of distance and she did not?
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I read an article once claiming that women have written a script for men that says it's okay to be an absent father and/or a cheating man. We make it acceptable b going with the boys will be boys mentality or thinking we don't need them to raise children. We are better off without them. I fins it all so interesting.
No, they are both wrong... But she acted so casual about it after... She expressed no guilt... Shame on her that shameless lady!
The line “So the storm passed and everyone was happy” does show that there is no moral closure. An immoral act has occurred and it is never dealt with. Calixta and Alcee committed adultery and go on their merry way with no remorse. After the adulterous act, Alcee writes to his wife Clarisse and tells her to stay in Biloxi for another month. Rather than wishing she was at home, Clarisse is happy to be away and “their intimate conjugal life was something which she was more than willing to forego for a while”. When Calixta’s husband Bobinot, arrives at his home he is worried about what his wife will say when she sees her son’s pants are muddy. It seems that no one is happy being married. Adultery is an act can destroy a marriage if their spouses ever found out. The phrase “ignorance is bliss” seems to apply in this story. Does immorality in marriage still apply today as it did in the late 1800s? Yes it does. In other societies, marriage is seen as being more for convenience rather than love, in the US marriage is still seen as sacred. In society today, a person is still frowned upon whenever they stray from the moral path.
I can understand the controversial issues in this story of its “lack of moral closure.” During the time and even now for a woman to cheat on her husband is considered horrible compared to how it would be the other way around and a man were to cheat on his wife. But the lack of morality in this story I think is the fact that she can honestly go on in life like her cheating never happened and not feeling one bit sad that she cheated on her family. The fact that during a storm while worrying about her husband and son she has an affair with an old fling and while his family is out of town. Although you may say the reason why in the end its says that everyone is happy because like they say "What they don't know doesn't hurt them" so basically because no one knows therefore no one is hurt. In general cheating is frowned upon but thing is a woman cheating looks worse for her than a man cheating because thats just how society is and has always been and frankly it is just not right.
I believe there was a "lack of moral culture" in the story "The Storm" by Chopin. Calixta was cheating on her husband and showing compassion to another guy that doesn't mean a thing. I see the guy as devious for even trying to get close to her knowing that she was married; the story states "The contact of her warm palpitating body when he had unthinkingly drawn her into his arms had aroused all the old-time infatuation and desire for her flesh." Calixa shouldn't have even let the man in his house, she is married and there is no reason for another man to enter the house without her husband there. Also, the ending just puts a shame to everything. The statement "So the storm passed and everyone was happy," during the storm she was worried about her kid, she completely forgot about her child once she was seduced. It was a storm for a reason. Calixta should have confessed to her husband that would have been a moral thing to do after her actions.
In this short story it shows “lack of moral closure" when Calixta and her past lover Alcee commit adultery. Calixta and Alcee both show moral issues and are both equal at fault for what they did. The relationship between Calixta and Alcee holds a passion from their past. When Alcee holds her when the lightning hits the Chinaberry tree, they both are reminded of the love they once had for each other. “Alcee clasped her shoulders and looked into her face. The contact of her warm, palpitating body when he had unthinkingly drawn her into his arms, had aroused all the old-time infatuation and desire for her flesh.” When Chopin states that “everyone was happy” at the end does seem immoral for her time and in present time as well because they both were unfaithful in their marriage and felt no guilt. A marriage is suppose to be a bond between only two people and Calixta and Alcee broke that. I believe Chopin was trying to say with her closing sentence was that everyone was happy because no one else knew about Calixta and Alcee's moment of affair. But then how can they act like if nothing happened? Calixta was just laughing with her family during supper. “...the three seated themselves at table they laughed much and so loud that anyone might have heard them ...” I believe that Calixta wanted one last moment with Alcee and she had that opportunity. She seemed so happy that she finally got that moment with her love. “Calixta, on the gallery, watched Alce ride away. He turned and smiled at her with a beaming face; and she lifted her pretty chin in the air and laughed aloud.”
Its only obvious that this story lacks moral closure. What Alcée and Calixta did is called infidelity because they were both married. After committing such a betrayal, they both carried along with their lives as if nothing had ever happened. Its prominent that morals should go both ways for men and women, equally, but I think that it must have a greater impact on a woman. From a woman’s perspective, I would assume that it would most likely be harder to have to live and deal with such a guilt as to this betrayal. I don’t understand how Calixta and Alcée could possibly act so casual and easygoing with her spouses after committing adultery. Chopin’s closing sentence, that “everyone was happy” is definitely immoral in her time and in present time. It is absolutely not okay to cheat on a spouse back then and much the less now. I feel that being unloyal and unfaithful to the one you one day vowed to is the worst kind of betrayal one can commit. If one cannot be loyal to their life partner then he/she cannot be loyal to anyone because it proves a lot about an individual. They both committed such an unethical act that they both decided to ignore and act like nothing ever happened. Regardless of one’s emotions or feelings at any given moment, they should always put their morals ahead and above all. The woman is the one who always hold the control when it comes to intimacy so I believe that by her allowing him into her house she lead him on.“So the storm passed and everyone was happy”. -The Storm by Kate Chopin
Of course this affair was completely immoral. There is nothing morally right about an affair. No matter what time you live in or when this story was written adultery is always morally wrong. Chopin’s closing sentence, that “everyone was happy” is most definitely immoral no matter what year you live in. This closing sentence shows lack sympathy. I can go on and on in naming all the moral values that are shattered by adultery. It shows lack of commitment. She broke her commitment to her husband by betraying him in a spontaneous act of lust. Adultery lacks consideration. She did not stop to consider her husband’s feelings. The act of adultery lacks self-control. She became so consumed with lust for this man that she had no self-control. A person who commits an affair lacks: honesty, integrity, love, respect for their spouse and themselves, fidelity, empathy, and fairness. What makes this story so sad and the affair so upsetting is that the husband was so worried about being presentable for his wife so he brushed the mud of his and his son’s clothes. He was so afraid that his wife would be upset about their dirty clothes while not knowing that his wife did something far worse than dirtying clothing. There is no self-justification in committing adultery. “Then, prepared for the worst the meeting with an over-scrupulous housewife, they entered cautiously at the back door.” The Storm by Kate Chopin
Victoria wrote: "I can understand the controversial issues in this story of its “lack of moral closure.” During the time and even now for a woman to cheat on her husband is considered horrible compared to how it wo..."That is the difference between men and women. That woman are discrete while men get caught and are easily identified. Guilt does not consists with Calixta since she shows no sign of remorse of what she has done to her husband and family.
Suzette wrote: "She had no loyalty towards her husband. i would say that yes, it was immoral, It was not right for Calixta to do what she did by any means, She was married, she had a sexual encounter during a stor..."I agree (along with the rest of society) that cheating on your spouse is wrong. At the same time she is sexually repressed and the first opportunity she had she slept with the first man she came across. Does this justify adultery? No, there is nothing to justify that. Is she solely at fault? No she is not, Alcee also cheated on his spouse. It also seem that Alcee will continue to pursue Calixta again in the near future.
Rosie wrote: "I sure believe it was immoral because, Calixta was married and she cheated on her husband. They both commit adultery. Their passionate feelings and desire for each other lead them in having sexual ..."I agree that Calixta's loyalty to her not only her husband, but her family is compromised. There is an old saying "once a cheater always a cheater" and I think this applies to Calixta. Alcee is also just as guilty, and by telling his wife to stay away for an extra month means he will continue to pursue Calixta.
Luis wrote: "The line “So the storm passed and everyone was happy” does show that there is no moral closure. An immoral act has occurred and it is never dealt with. Calixta and Alcee committed adultery and ..."I too agree that there is no moral closure after such an immoral act was committed. Calixta and Alcée both carry along with their lives as if nothing ever happened. Neither seem to show any sort of remorse or guilt for the immorality which they both committed together. I am also a firm believer that marriage is sacred and immorality continues to apply in marriages today as it did back then.
Yvonne wrote: "Of course this affair was completely immoral. There is nothing morally right about an affair. No matter what time you live in or when this story was written adultery is always morally wrong. Chopin..."I agree with you but we are harder on the woman in our society today. The only thing to question is if you had to marry someone you did not love and marry the other. Your one true love is Alcee is that fair. I do think marriage is sacred but I also believe in love. I would hate to think I would have to live in a loveless marriage. When my passion and love was with this other man. In those times you had to marry in your class and stay married so what would I have done. It is sad to me to think that you love someone you cannot be with.
Hilda wrote: "In this short story it shows “lack of moral closure" when Calixta and her past lover Alcee commit adultery. Calixta and Alcee both show moral issues and are both equal at fault for what they did. W..."I do think they both committed adultery but I think they didn't feel remorse because they didn't have any for they had loved each other in the past. They were married to people they didn't truly love so when the opportunity presented itself they took it. While I do not think it is right I can have some compassion for the two. I am in no shape to judge someone else's actions for I am just a human being too.
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My rational is, if I as a woman can control my body's natural ability and inclinations to make a baby by any of the available methods because in my mind I understand the difficulties of raising a child and the consequences of it if not mentally or emotionally ready, then why can I not do the same with my body's natural sexual desires.
Although there are many behaviors and emotions natural to the body, the repression of them can not always have a negative effect. If this were true, I would have at least 10 children by now for Naturalism implies my body is stronger than my mind, perhaps smarter, and there would be one on the way. Yikes!!
Rosie wrote: "I sure believe it was immoral because, Calixta was married and she cheated on her husband. They both commit adultery. Their passionate feelings and desire for each other lead them in having sexual ..."It was immoral, they both were married but had a history together. Their feelings from their past took over which made them not feel any guilt. When you stated "The storm can be symbolize as something that comes and goes and in and out that just passes by.", it shows how Calixta and Alcee had a one time affair and moved on like if nothing happened.
I am with you Naturalism is not a thing I believe either. We have certain control over everything we do. Most of us make a choice to have children and as you said if we believe in Naturalism then it would control this. While we all have desires and urges we do repress them and let our mind control for the most part our actions. I am with you because if this was not the case there would be some chaos in this society and I do believe we have enough as it is.
Pearl wrote: "Its only obvious that this story lacks moral closure. What Alcée and Calixta did is called infidelity because they were both married. After committing such a betrayal, they both carried along with ..."Calixta and Alcee both committed adultery and the story shows that Calixta acted normal about it. It seemed like she already knew since she let him into her house. I believe that she wanted that one last time with her past lover that's why at the end "everyone was happy."
Yvonne wrote: "Of course this affair was completely immoral. There is nothing morally right about an affair. No matter what time you live in or when this story was written adultery is always morally wrong. Chopin..."I agree with you when you say that no matter when the story took place or if it was today, being unfaithful is completely immoral and should not be taken lightly. To me there is no greater sin. Losing someones trust and fidelity can be a great burden to the person who has been cheated on.
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Luis wrote: "The line “So the storm passed and everyone was happy” does show that there is no moral closure. An immoral act has occurred and it is never dealt with. Calixta and Alcee committed adultery and ..."Victoria wrote: "I can understand the controversial issues in this story of its “lack of moral closure.” During the time and even now for a woman to cheat on her husband is considered horrible compared to how it wo..."
I so agree with you that it was an immoral act committed by both. they both committed adultery and felt no remorse at all. They both continue with their lives like nothing happen.
In the short story “The Storm” by Kate Chopin, Calixta’s actions were immoral, as well as Alcee’s’ actions because both were married and committed adultery. When we commit to a person in marriage or in a relationship, we are to respect them. Both of them acted like if nothing had happened. After Bobinot and Bibi arrived, she seemed that she was worried because they were out in the storm but I guess she forgot to be worried while having sex with Alcee. “Oh! Bobinot! You back! My! But I was uneasy.” And as for Alcee, he wrote a letter to his wife that same day. I do believe that Chopin’s closing sentence, “So the storm passed and everyone was happy,” is an immoral sentence because we as human beings, we are not thought to lie or cheat to our love ones. The storm passed which meant their sexual desire was satisfied and now everyone is happy because their love ones have no idea of their husband/wife adultery. There is a saying I have heard, “Ojos que no veen, Corazon que no siente.” But in there is no lie that will be hidden forever, lying to themselves would be worse than lying to their partners. their actions were immoral back then and those actions are still immoral at this present time. “Shrimps! Oh, Bobinot! You too good fo’ anything!”- Kate Chopin
Victoria wrote: "I can understand the controversial issues in this story of its “lack of moral closure.” During the time and even now for a woman to cheat on her husband is considered horrible compared to how it wo..." I agree with you, cheating is cheating no matter what and it is an immoral action. We as women tend to worry for our kids and Calixta did not worry about her son being out in that storm because she was enjoying herself with another man.
Suzette wrote: "She had no loyalty towards her husband. i would say that yes, it was immoral, It was not right for Calixta to do what she did by any means, She was married, she had a sexual encounter during a stor..."Some people don't know the meaning of loyalty. I also believe that marriage is sacred as long as their is trust and respect. I Calixta did not care about her marriage and family.
In “The Storm” by Kate Chopin, we read about a women and an old boyfriend having a one-time affair while there is a storm in town. Instead of Calixta worrying about her husband and son, she conveniently has an affair with an old boyfriend Alcée. We read that she even forgets abou the fact that there is a storm going on. After the storm passes Bobinôt and Bibi come back home safe yet Calixta seems not to be bothered with the fact that while they were out in the storm, she was at home having sex with Alcée, who by the way was not her husband. “Bobinôt explanations and apologies which he had been composing all along the way, died on his lips as Calixta felt him to see if he were dry, and seemed to express nothing but satisfaction at their safe return.” You can say two things about Calixta either she doesn’t care about her relationship and she is a hypocrite, or she is ashamed that she is trying to make it up to her husband and son. I would go with she didn’t care about the fact that she was married and decided to have an affair during the absence of her husband at home. A moral issue in this story can be that neither Calixta or Alcèe tell their significant others that they had an affair. They just basically go on with their lives “ So the storm passed and everyone was happy.” They decide not to tell anyone because in other words everyone was happy like that. I believe that they did it for their own matter of preference; because even though they could of hurt people “they love” they were doing it for themselves. And of course the fact that this story ended with the last sentence “So the storm passed and everyone was happy” is beyond immoral, unethical, and dishonest. No matter the situation you are in, I think everyone that is in a relationship needs to respect his or her significant other in every way. A person that has an affair and has the ability to not even think it was corrupted, has definitely done is before and it goes to show that many rather keep it on the low and go with it than face the consequences.
Kirsten wrote: "I believe there was a "lack of moral culture" in the story "The Storm" by Chopin. Calixta was cheating on her husband and showing compassion to another guy that doesn't mean a thing. I see the guy ..."I agree with you Kirsten, there was no reason for her to even let Alcèe into her home knowing that something could have happen. I don't believe that just because her husband wasn't there, she wouldn't let a man come into her home because obviously there was a storm going on outside. I also believe that even though for him it was basically just sex, she should have known better.
Shanda wrote: "We we take vows in marriage they are sacred so yes Calixta's is wrong to have cheated on her husband. This is a moral issue and more than anything she will lie to her husband and her children for a..."Definitely with you on this one Shanda, I believe if you marry a person is because you are going to be loyal to that individual. If she wanted to be wondering around then why did she get married. The fact that she wants to go with a lie just because "everyone will be happy" goes to show how imprudent she it. I strongly believe if you want to be with a man that badly and it's not your husband, than I think the quesiotn is should she be married?.
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Leslie wrote: "In “The Storm” by Kate Chopin, we read about a women and an old boyfriend having a one-time affair while there is a storm in town. Instead of Calixta worrying about her husband and son, she conveni..."I agree woth you Lesley. She was wrong in so many ways. She shouldnt had feed into the temptation. During the times this story was written women didnt have the choice to marry the man they wanted, even if women would get stuck with somone they didn't love it was still wrong for them to cheat because it says it in the bible. No one shal not commit adultery. This is why i believe it was immoral.
Alicia wrote: "In the short story “The Storm” by Kate Chopin, Calixta’s actions were immoral, as well as Alcee’s’ actions because both were married and committed adultery. When we commit to a person in marriage ..."True, Calixta commited adultry which made her actions immoral. No matter what situation she was in with her husband, she was completely wrong. There should be no excuse for someone to cheat on their husband.
I'm starting to think, what she did was okay within reason, because it was back in the day and she wasn't happy in her marriage.. Her cheating was inevitable. She had to get her rocks off, and it wasn't too bad because it was with a man she had a history with, no just with a random man... She's a female and just like males, everyone gets in the mood, so she did it, a lot of people do it.. Oh well... She didn't have feelings of regret after and she seemed really happy.. More power to her.. Let's hope she didn't do it again.
Suzette wrote: "I'm starting to think, what she did was okay within reason, because it was back in the day and she wasn't happy in her marriage.. Her cheating was inevitable. She had to get her rocks off, and it w..."Suzette is on the dark side now I love it. No I do feel as women we have desires and she did love this man from her past so what was wrong with it men do it for sex she at least had a emotional as well as a sexual connection with this man.
Shanda wrote: "Suzette wrote: "I'm starting to think, what she did was okay within reason, because it was back in the day and she wasn't happy in her marriage.. Her cheating was inevitable. She had to get her roc..."I still disagree. She made women look Bad. What if her husband really loved her?? her act can be seen as selfish.
Who are we to judge, she did what she did because she may of had heavy feelings for him, she may have loved him, he could have been her true love.. She did what her heart desires, I'm not saying what she did was right by any means, but it doesn't entirely make her a slut either... It wasn't just a random man... It was a former lover, her lover... The lover...
She didnt even bother to confess. Why wouldnt she confess? Its immoral.
She didn't confess because her husband is a complete whimp and she knew he wouldn't leave her...
How is he a whimp? I didnt see him as a whimp, he was with his son at the store. I saw him as a father.
