Morales 2341 Spring 2015 Class MW discussion
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Apr 08, 2015 09:47AM
But sometimes we put to much sympathy because there are children. And the reality is, things like this happen on the daily... Kids don't make the marriage perfect... And I agree, I think he was being a father and sheltering his son, but that doesn't make him the perfect husband in her eyes, and he can continue to be a good father even if they are not together...
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But sometimes we put to much sympathy because there are children. And the reality is, things like this happen on the daily... Kids don't make the marriage perfect... And I agree, I think he was being a father and sheltering his son, but that doesn't make him the perfect husband in her eyes, and he can continue to be a good father even if they are not together...
I see it Calixta's moment of weakness.
Well, women are inherently weak, and she mad a moment of weakness but that doesn't make a her weak person, you know what I mean??
Well, women are inherently weak, and she mad a moment of weakness but that doesn't make a her weak person, you know what I mean??
And it's okay because we all have a weak moment...
And it's okay because we all have a weak moment...
And it's okay because we all have a weak moment...
I see what you aee trying to say, its contradicting.
Yes, we all have moments of weakness but this doesnt make her actions right. we have the power to control our emotion. My beliefs lead me to believe that it was a lack of morality even if having sex with her first love made her happy.
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Suzette, I'm glad you are expanding past your horizons.
It don't think it's a matter of forgiving her or not. Frankly, who am I or any of us to judge others.
The question of immorality is an important one when we think of women being burned at the stake or outcasted from their homes and families, the loss of reputation of self esteem really when we are labeled bad women. Today women are stoned to death for committing adultery in some cultures, women are circumcised so they do not feel sexual desire. It's amazing what women pay for for being sexual creatures.
This discussion is about, for me personally, about accepting the complexities of a woman and not using labels or judgments for certain actions. I don't condone cheating. I think today we are given the choice to marry for love, so choose wisely, and if that love ends or you are not sexually attracted anymore then leave that person before cheating (Oops, just opened a whole new can of worms.). Avoid immorality. I don't like to do things if I will feel bad about it later, and I don't want to do things only because others think it's what's right.
It's complex to be a woman, but it is further complicated by judgements.
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I agree he is not a wimp. He just knows we hate it when our kids get dirty.
Ms. morales, I understand... A lot of things that women do people don't understand why they do them and are very quick to judge, mind you, I have two children, from two different dads, I'm also judged because of that, I think back in the day people might have found that not lady like, BUT there's a say, you know my name, you have heard what I have done, but you don't know what I have been through, so because someone cheats they are labeled as a cheater, a slut etc. but what if Calixta was genuinely unhappy, it doesn't make her dishonesty to her husband right, but what I'm saying is that she may have satisfied a need, a secret passion and a desire that she had longed for, and for Alcee, he was long away from his wife, and there is a saying for that too, Amor de lejos, amor de pendejos.
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On your first point I think there is little evidence or hope really that she is happy, maybe satisfied. I think women should do what makes them happy as long as it does not compromise our morals, but morales should be determined by each individual. My morals are not the same as other women and that's okay I think. I'm not better or right, I'm just different I guess. Maybe that's why my name is Morales. Ooh, epiphany!!
&& in other countries the punishments are worse, there is an actual punishment for adultery, here in us there isn't. But as a human you can control your body and your mind, but as humans its natural to have desires, and I wants, we are free to do anything, not saying that certain things don't have consequences, or because there's an excuse it should be forgiven.
Yvonne wrote: "Of course this affair was completely immoral. There is nothing morally right about an affair. No matter what time you live in or when this story was written adultery is always morally wrong. Chopin..."Yvonne, I couldn't agree with you more. An affair is completely wrong and there is nothing morally right regarding it. No matter when the sin was committed, whether if it was in the past or now, it is inappropriate in regardless. She ultimately broke her commitment that she one day vowed to her husband. She never once stopped to consider his feelings or those of anyone else that might have been affected by this affair.
Kirsten wrote: "How is he a whimp? I didnt see him as a whimp, he was with his son at the store. I saw him as a father."Why is he a whimp? He was buying God knows what with his son and unfortunately the storm trapped them there. All the time, to my understanding, he is concerned, even when they are going back home, he is scare of what she might tell them. He didn't go off with a "lover" to relive or revive some time of flame. Maybe we are a little harsh on woman when it comes to adultery but let's all be real here, when it comes to things about cheating why would a woman even play around like that? I'm not saying she is playing around but that's like someone telling you don't get close to the flames because you can get burn, but you do and then you have to pay the consequences.
I didnt say he was a whimp.
The lack of moral closure is when Calixta falls into tentation and is unfaithful to her husband with her ex husband. The moral issues is that there is lies, people who cannot be trusted alone and unfaithfulness. Calixta is married and there is a storm going on outside, her husband and her child are out somewhere and she is all by her self. When all of a sudden her ex appears and obviously because there is a storm outside she invites him in until the storm passes. Of course being Calixta’s ex he knows her very well and decided to make her remember all the happy times they spent together to get her to fall for him again and she does fall and she is unfaithful to her marriage. Once her husband and child come back she is very happy meaning that she liked everything that happen and was not ashamed. Of course she act normal with her husband and child but she is literally day dreaming about the whole insistent. Chopin’s closing sentence that “everyone was happy” seem immoral because every one was happy the wife of her ex was living a distressful life no worrying about her husband, while Calixta and her ex were having the time of there lives having an affair and at the end Calixta’s husband doesn’t even realize what her wife had done.
Hilda wrote: "In this short story it shows “lack of moral closure" when Calixta and her past lover Alcee commit adultery. Calixta and Alcee both show moral issues and are both equal at fault for what they did. T..."yes i agree with hilda there is a lack of moral closure when calixta and her ex husband have an affair while her real husband and her son are out in the storm
The moral issues raised in this story is the act of adultery committed by Calixta and by Alcee. The story starts out Bobinot and his and Calixta’s son Bibi being stuck in a storm at a store where they are worried about Calixta being at home by herself. She ended up being not as alone as they thought. She ended up having a rendezvous with a man that is not her husband. The act of adultery is frowned upon no matter if it was in present time or her time. Although it is done more often in present time, it still doesn’t make it right. Calixta acting as if all was well and normal makes her actions more despicable. Alcee is no better than her in this situation, they were both involved in the act and committed separate acts of adultery. Women, especially in her time, get most of the heat in these situations. The closing sentence of “everyone is happy” is immoral in the sense that it is misleading since if Bobinot knew of his wife’s betrayal, he would be the furthest thing from happy.
Kirsten wrote: "I believe there was a "lack of moral culture" in the story "The Storm" by Chopin. Calixta was cheating on her husband and showing compassion to another guy that doesn't mean a thing. I see the guy ..."Her confessing to her husband would've made her unmoral act and betrayal on her marriage a tad bit better. She should be honest instead of keeping this secret which makes everything worse.
Pearl wrote: "Its only obvious that this story lacks moral closure. What Alcée and Calixta did is called infidelity because they were both married. After committing such a betrayal, they both carried along with ..."I find it interesting that Pearl says that she led him on by allowing him into the home. Perhaps her intensions were already premeditated. I don't believe a woman wakes up one morning and spontaneously decides, "today is a good day to cheat on my husband".
Rosie wrote: "I sure believe it was immoral because, Calixta was married and she cheated on her husband. They both commit adultery. Their passionate feelings and desire for each other lead them in having sexual ..."Although I do agree with Rosie that the act of adultery is completely immoral, I'm confused by what she says,"Calixta should have respected herself." I've never really understood that. She should have respected her husband and the wife of this man but I believe its your body and you can do with it as you please. But we should always considered jeopardizing the respect for others.
