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The Name of the Wind - The Kingkiller Chronicle # 1
Manju wrote: "first of all thank you to everyone whoever has answered my questions.:)Am 61% done with this book and am still not on friendly terms with Kote and his perfection. May be its the effect of reading..."
Abercrombie spoiled us :P
Agree with you, Manju, on all aspects. It is Kvothe who is solely responsible for my 3 star rating [ from the original 5 star I was planning to give ]
Abhay wrote: "@Vimal,Manju : Whats happening in chapter 54, where has Kvothe reached?Are you guys done with the part at The Eoalin? Your thoughts about it??
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am in chapter 61.
I liked the Eolin part. the settings and how the singers were selected. Again I didn't like Kote and Denna, their perfection.:/
Akshay wrote: "Manju wrote: "first of all thank you to everyone whoever has answered my questions.:)Am 61% done with this book and am still not on friendly terms with Kote and his perfection. May be its the eff..."
Absolutely right. Abercrombie, Kay, Butcher and Martin.;)
PSmith wrote: "Agree with you, Manju, on all aspects. It is Kvothe who is solely responsible for my 3 star rating [ from the original 5 star I was planning to give ]"I still why Rothfuss made him this "perfect".
I don't think I will be able to like this character and he is very near to join Jorg, one of my most hated character. ;)
What in the world is similar between kvothe and jorg!!I also dislike kvothe for the same reason. His perfection rises to ridiculous levels in book 2
@Abhay, that's nit what she meant. What we are saying us, kvothe is perfect at every thing. Read book 2 you'll know. Locke through has amazing talent has many short comings. He's next to useless physically. Can't fight at all. He is often arrogant and suffers for it. But kvothe, in his own narration brags way too much about his skills. Take for example Fitz, even though he is the protagonist there are so many things he cannot do.
See Logen, despite his talent he is really bad at some things
Abhay wrote: "@Vimal,Manju : Whats happening in chapter 54, where has Kvothe reached?Are you guys done with the part at The Eoalin? Your thoughts about it??
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Its going good. At about 75 % now.
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@Abhay, That's what I am saying. Even in book 1 he was often too good. That quality only escalates in book 2. Rothfuss has made the character a perfect one. That's why I called him superman.
@Abhay Not exactly. Locke is good at one thing. very good but only in that field. You don't see him suddenly become the greatest flighter or singer. I didn't see your post will check. :)
Read your post. Your post actually proves my point. Despite being one of the best Gentleman in the world Locke is so easily manhandled. He barely makes it alive as u know
Read your post. Your post actually proves my point. Despite being one of the best Gentleman in the world Locke is so easily manhandled. He barely makes it alive as u know
Anirudh wrote: "What in the world is similar between kvothe and jorg!!they are similar because they standing side by side in my most hated category.:P
I also dislike kvothe for the same reason. His perfection rises to ridiculous levels in book 2"
& Kvothe still manages to earn four stars from you.:P
@Abhay: (view spoiler)And I agree with Anirudh about Locke.
Hell none of other fantasy characters are this perfect.
As Anirudh pointed out that Locke is master of only one skill.
Vaelin excels only in one art and in others his friends are better than him.
Harry Dresden is one of the most flawed character I have read.
Crippled Glokta is not perfect.
But to me they all are better than "perfect" Kvothe.
@Manju Glad to see you are reading it, I thought you had abandoned it.
@Abhay Every superman needs a Lex Luthor. That is what lacking in this book, a good Villian.money and Denna doesn't make a good nemesis.
@Abhay yeah, I didn't like the ending. Forget it all, if you like the book and enjoyed reading it then nothing else matters. A lot of people like it too, seeing the ratings.
I was just expecting something else from the book.
'It's our expectations that ruins things for us' read it somewhere.
@Abhay: am so enjoying this discussion. If we all love Kote this discussion would be just plain. but being on opposites sides is what's making this all the more interesting. :)& I don't have any problem with Kote having this many qualities. what I don't like is him being this perfect once he is in University and why not before that.
Locke excels in two things i.e. planning and execution, that's all. he sucks at every other thing.;P & Kote is much more loved character than Locke if you compare the ratings of both books.:P
P.S: Even Kaladin Stormblessed is not this perfect!:P
@Manu, @Vimal...any thoughts outside the "perfection" discussion? Language, pace, setting/world, unfolding of story arc, roles given to secondary chars? Any likes, dislikes? Pls use spoiler tags if you are going into specifics.@Aarush, hi welcome to the discussion. Read your thoughts in Post 731. Did you have a favourite incident or scene in the book? A fave character?
@Zaara: I am liking the writing style more now. I love this kind of writing.world building is good though there are not many cities described. Tarbean is described beautifully. The division of city in lower and higher part, division of society in lower and upper class is admirable.Magic isn't prominent here. I absolutely loved Halikas's story, one of my favourite moments of the book.
I also liked the whole university system, the teachers, the interviews etc.
I don't like Denna.:/
@Zaara, The language in this book has left nothing more to be desired. Rothfuss has been pretty bold with the pace because I find it slow for the greater part of the book. Unfolding is slow but good. There hasn't been a secondary character who hasn't brought something unique into the narrative. Plenty of likes by now and the little dislikes are blurring out. Denna was the only confusing character,but I'm liking the way Rothfuss is letting it unravel in Trebon. Hoping to finish it off tonight.
@Manu...yes the writing is a plus, When I said world, I didn't mean just the cities...but at this point I won't say more cuz of spoilers. We'll talk more about the world when you have finished and (view spoiler)@Aarush, I liked the musical and pastoral scenes best. They seemed to have 'something' more....perhaps more of a soul than the rest of the book. Of course, (view spoiler)
Vimal wrote: "@Zaara, The language in this book has left nothing more to be desired. Rothfuss has been pretty bold with the pace because I find it slow for the greater part of the book. Unfolding is slow but goo..."@Vimal, last lap now. Finish sooooooon :-) and then we can skip around and discuss the book freely. Yea it does get better once he gets out of the Uni mileu, doesn't it?
Zaara wrote: "Vimal wrote: "@Zaara, The language in this book has left nothing more to be desired. Rothfuss has been pretty bold with the pace because I find it slow for the greater part of the book. Unfolding i..."Oh no, I don't want to finish it soon :D This occurs with some books isn't it, especially the lengthy ones.Yeah there had been a lot of chapters in the univ Mileu so a change of scene was welcome.Biometric GPS, organic iron n all. This guy spins it like crazy.
@Uthkarsh, Acutally I think as a mysterious villain the Chandrian are really good. @Abhay, Actually Kvothe uses such skills often if you remember. With the shoe maker, then at the whipping, then at exam. He uses trickery all the time.
It's not that there was no reason or explanation. It's that they just make him sound more supermanish. And no matter how you argue Locke is nothing like this. If you read book 2 you will understand more as to why I am complaining.
Kvothe is a master of ________ you can pretty much fill anything here. That's what irks me.
Locke relies heavily on his team to pull off a job. Whereas Kvothe is a one man army.
Did you read the blog Akshay gave a link to? It sums up the problem with Kvothe very clearly
The narration is very lyrical no doubt. That is why it has such a high rating.
Manju wrote: "@Zaara: I am liking the writing style more now. I love this kind of writing.world building is good though there are not many cities described. Tarbean is described beautifully. The division of city..."I don't like denna either :D
Don't like Denna, don't like young adult Kvothe.[but I liked the child Kvothe and his Kote avatar - or whatever I read in book 1]They suit each other well.
PSmith wrote: "Don't like Denna, don't like young adult Kvothe.[but I liked the child Kvothe and his Kote avatar - or whatever I read in book 1]They suit each other well."
What avatar?
Anirudh wrote: "PSmith wrote: "Don't like Denna, don't like young adult Kvothe.[but I liked the child Kvothe and his Kote avatar - or whatever I read in book 1]They suit each other well."
What avatar?"
The one in which he is a relatively quiet inn keeper
I know he went out at night and battled with Scraels, but at least he didnot boast about it.
That I suppose is the worn down Kvothe, who has had enough and just wants to be left alone. Seeing the self importance he gave in his story, I didn't think it was possible.
Anirudh wrote: "That I suppose is the worn down Kvothe, who has had enough and just wants to be left alone. Seeing the self importance he gave in his story, I didn't think it was possible.":) :) :)
But I like him much better that way.
Gehna wrote: "I also don't like Denna... :/"Okay okay....we know you don't like her. :P
Why you don't like her?
Utkarsh wrote: "@Anirudh well they were but at the same time they weren't. They were the reason kvothe's life changed, not the immediate problem.
The things kvothe had to tackle were different in this book. Mone..."
Yeah that is true. He is very self absorbed :/
Oh he learns quite a few things in book 2. You'll see :D:D
@Utkarsh, are you planning to read Book 2? Considering how much you didn't like this one? And according to @Ani the elements you disliked in Book 1 are much more pronounced in Book 2.
Zaara wrote: "@Utkarsh, are you planning to read Book 2? Considering how much you didn't like this one? And according to @Ani the elements you disliked in Book 1 are much more pronounced in Book 2."Exponentially :D
Yes, exponentially :-p so are you gonna read it?
@Zarra No I am not. are you? Well, you loved the book so I guess you will. @Anirudh No, I don't wanna see. Ignorance is bliss, haven't you heard. :D
@Abhay, He does use it often when it suits him. Neither I or Manju said that he should be conning people. But he certainly transformed almost immediately once he reached the university. It is trickery. He spreads rumors about himself. Tricks the teachers into giving him access to school. Again tricks people by using herbs to not bleed thus building his own image.
I've already read book 2 hence I am discussing it. I have a cleared picture as to where Kvothe is headed because of it.
Not at all. I could tell you what he is a master of but then again you have only read one book and it would be spoiler. Safe to say he is a master of at least 5 to 6 different things.
I didn't say master of his fate anywhere in my argument. And I said he becomes a master. I didn't say he was on at the time of that incident.
You're missing the point. What I mean is Locke relies on others for many things irrespective of whether he is pulling a con or not. But Kvothe is often self sufficient.
Again, you have not at all explained anything of that nature. Yes he was hurt a couple of times. So? There are so many people who would get hurt like that and still struggle on. He does not miraculously become an expert swordsman or master kung fu specialist to fend off his attackers. He just survives them.
He is weak at fighting doesn't mean he will die because someone drowned him for a while.
If there is any inconsistency/repetitiveness and bias it is not from my side.
@Utkarsh.... She is nothing compared to our Kvothe, the genius.... *genius... ummmm... may be)
I would like to direct Abhay, Anirudh and Manju's attention to the fact that we are discussing The Name of the Wind here and not The Gentleman Bastards Series. Further, I would also like to warn them about their discussion on Locke Lamora which is putting out spoilers for people like Gehna, Poulomi and Vimal, who have not read the series. Having said that, I expect their assistance and acceptance over this issue.Thank you for understanding.
I don't understand why people are fighting over Kvothe/Locke. They both are different with different writer and story. It isn't fair on either of them to be compared( I haven't read Locke)Yes, one can say he is self sufficient. What's the big deal in it. That's what this story is all about. A self sufficient man known as Kvothe and his story. I assume when we tell some tale we often tell it from our perspective and we become the focal point. Let us not fight over something as trivial as this. You hated him fine, you loved him fine. There are hell lot of better things to discuss than why he was perfect and why it was not a good thing. We all have our choices and preferences. Let's discuss anything other than his perfection.
@Gehna, It is impossible to have a discussion about something without drawing comparisons to similar things. You can pick any notw discussion and you will find Locke there. Patrick Rothfuss himself has said that there is always comparison between his work and that of LockeAlso, I don't recall giving out any spoilers. Spoiler is something that reveals something of importance. If I or Abhay say Locke got beat up that is not a spoiler since did not say why or by whom. For those who have not read the book that makes no sense anyway as they have no idea what Locke did.
@Gehna Haha....okay. I think Denna was cunning as fox, she said herself she learned the song, the one she sang with kvothe, after hearing it only two times. She might be lying but if she wasn't, then she was also talented.Her actions were unlikable though.
@Anirudh.... You can pick similar things IF ALL the the people participating in the discussion are familiar that thing. I picked a lot od notw discussions, and that's why I finally asked you guys to stop it now... Rothfuss said that, fine. But everyone here have not read Locke and while to are comparing the two things, people are not able to join infor ddiscussion... there are other things to discuss than Kvothe's perfectionAs for the spoiler, exactly, like you said, those who have not read the book that makes no sense anyway as they have no idea what Locke did. ... consider you OWN idea and start the discussion which is suitable for everyone and not just Locke readers.
@Utkarsh... Kvothe's talent are shown throughout the book at different phrases of his life, but we know nothing about Denna, so obviously, we , at least I, will consider her lying and untalented. :-) :P+1 to latter... her actions were indeed unlikable.
@Gehna I just remembered something, how old was Denna? She was older than our genius, right.
Am 61% done with this book and am still not on friendly terms with Kote and his perfection. May be its the effect of reading too much of Grimdark lately but I have read many great characters who are flawed and yet perfect at the same time.
(view spoiler)[Almost everyone who has replied to my question about Kote's memory said that his teacher was good, for once if I try to agree with all of you but am still unable to ignore that huge gap of three years which Kote spent in Tabrean in which he was totally cut off himself from his study.
Abhay said because Kote was eavesdropping on other students interviews so he was able to answer most of the question. Okay I can understand when Kote answered most of the repetitive questions, but what about other logical questions which were never asked before yet he was able to answer them with precision. I think no matter how sharp is the kid he needs to revise now and then.
And don't you all think its a bit over the top that a pick pocket who was living in shadows suddenly was so confident that he perform bindings in front of a full class with perfection, again. (hide spoiler)]