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Look we know fox and sony need to give up all rights to Marvel but it won't happen look at the absolute clustermuck they are making of the new F4...its about easy cash after the nightmare that was Ghostrider, and the first wolverine and what is happening to F4 the courts should give all property back to marvel on the grounds of misuse.
Wolverine never seemed right as an Avenger to me and he is a relatively recent addition to the team in the comics. In the MCU I could see him more in one-on-one team-ups.Now the Beast is another matter...
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Wolverine's been in one of the Avengers teams, but he is not historically an Avenger.Fox has made relatively small-scale exploitation films with the X-Men and Wolverine. They've done fairly well. Fox is the studio best known for cost containment and is not given to grandiose series' like the current MCU. Their lack of vision can be seen in the terrible Fantastic Four movies they've made. Or the climactic scene of the first X-Men movie, filmed in a gift shop. I can't see Fox executives having the vision or the courage to join forces with Disney on this. Rather, they will choose to continue to rule their own roost, however small it is.
Also, Jackman wants to exit the role. Would anyone care about a non-Jackman Wolverine? And if they could get him, and other X-Men for a crossover, what of the ungodly amount paid to salaries for the movie? There is a reason the latest Wolverine movie had Jackman and a cast of unknowns.
I just don't see it happening. Enjoy it in the comics, don't expect him elsewhere.
I'm against it. I'm also against Spider-man showing up in the MCU, and I say that as a lifelong Spidey fan. (The first comic I ever bought was an Amazing Spider-man in 1972.)When they do bring Spidey in, I hope it's Miles Morales. Peter Parker has had his chance in 5 lame movies already.
I was hoping that the mcu would stay with the characters they already had by the first avengers film. I felt the characters really gelled together and wish they would avoid trying to jam as many comic book heroes together as possible. It seems like it won't be possible to give each character near enough screen time if they keep adding and adding. I don't mind the independent story lines films, but the avengers story line should stay with the ones they already have.
Rob wrote: "I'm pretty tired of Wolverine myself."Cinematically, I know what you mean. But there are areas of the character in the comics that the producers of the movies in which he has appeared have not even touched upon. (I am so tired of the whole love-sick-over-Jean Grey Wolverine, which I am hopeful we are done with after the events of DOFP.) I am more hopeful that a Marvel Studios production will handle the character much better than Fox has done the last 15 years.
Joel wrote: "I was hoping that the mcu would stay with the characters they already had by the first avengers film."By the time Infinity Wars comes around (in 2018), you just might see some changes to the Avengers lineup. So, be warned.
Joel wrote: "the avengers story line should stay with the ones they already have. "
I think it is unlikely to keep the whole team the same over such a long period of time, what with actor fatigue from playing the same character multiple times/contract negotiations, and what-not. Bringing in new characters/actors into the phase-ending Avengers films seems like the best way to keep the whole universe fresh and entertaining. New dynamics between characters is what makes these team ups fun and entertaining.
John (Taloni) wrote: "Also, Jackman wants to exit the role. "He's since revised his opinion about playing Wolverine. Saying he would be down to play the role for as long as he is physically able to, sparking all the hype around a possible Old Man Logan adaptation.
Jackman really seems to love the character. Too bad they've never been able to make a decent solo movie.
Yea I would love for Marvel to get all their properties back. BUT I do have to say at least FOX seems to be on the right trail with their recent X-Men movies. They somewhat redeemed themselves with the new The Wolverine and X-Men: Days of Future Past was pretty good.That said I would still like to see Marvel get complete control. It has always felt to me like the Marvel films are broken up into several different universes.. Avengers aside.
It's obvious that Marvel is not happy with Fantastic Four. They don't even have a Fantastic Four book out right now as I understand it. That's a pretty big statement if you ask me. Just give Marvel their toys back and let them do what everyone wants to see.. One giant Marvel cinematic universe.
Luke wrote: "Just give Marvel their toys back and let them do what everyone wants to see.. One giant Marvel cinematic universe. "I don't know about that.
The whole reason the MCU movies are so good is because they couldn't simply rely on their marquee names. They had to dig deep and really make something good because they were relying on B-list characters. (And D-list, with Guardians.)
As we've seen with DC, they can crap out any old Superman or Batman movie and people will line up, simply because it's Superman and Batman. Marvel has had to work harder to earn their fanbase.
Also, and this can't be overstated, there wouldn't even BE a Marvel, nevermind a Marvel Cinematic Universe, if they hadn't sold off the movie rights of their most valuable properties when they went bankrupt. Selling the licenses for X-Men, FF and Spider-man saved the company.
So it's not like the other companies should feel compelled to just "give them back." What the other companies should do is what Disney did with Big Hero 6: find the core of the story that's most appealing and make a really good movie around that. Big Hero 6 is now the 3rd-highest grossing film for Disney animation, and these are Marvel characters no one had even *heard* of before.
I know I won't get my way with keeping the movies' cast small like in the first avengers. I just thought it worked so well with what they had, I am afraid that adding more characters will mess things up. If they phase out the current characters and create new story lines with new characters with new team up movies, now that is something that I can get into. I just have a hard time visualizing Antman as an avenger.
As far as the x-men go, I have lost interest. I liked the x-men movies back in high school, but now I simply can't get into them.
Trike wrote: "The whole reason the MCU movies are so good is because they couldn't simply rely on their marquee names. They had to dig deep and really make something good because they were relying on B-list characters."Well I do have to give it to you there. Upon further consideration it might be a better idea if they are a little spread out.
I do think however that it doesn't really matter whether or not there would be MCU if it wasn't for them selling the rights to their characters to other studios. At this point it's kind of an irrelevant point. True, but, as Drake would say.. "We started from the bottom, now we're here."
I don't think DC is really a fair comparison. I mean ALL they make are Batman and Superman movies. Watchmen and V for Vendetta aside, DC has never even tried to mine their library for potential.
What Marvel does that makes them so great is that they attach extremely talented people to their projects. I knew Guardians would be good because they attached James Gunn. He wrote the Dawn of the Dead remake, directed both Slither and Super. I just knew it would be a good fit for his personality.
Marvel knows what they are doing. Let them take advantage of their own characters.
Trike wrote: "Luke wrote: "Just give Marvel their toys back and let them do what everyone wants to see.. One giant Marvel cinematic universe. "I don't know about that.
The whole reason the MCU movies are so g..."
Iron Man and Captain America are not B-list. Guardians are doing very well in the comics so while it was a bit surprising to see it so soon, it was only a matter of time.
Aaron wrote: "Iron Man and Captain America are not B-list. Guardians are doing very well in the comics so while it was a bit surprising to see it so soon, it was only a matter of time. "Sorry, this is inaccurate.
Iron Man and Cap were absolutely B-list. Their books weren't even selling in the top 20 at the time of those films. Iron Man had peaked at #31. That's not a hit. After the movies they were in the top 5 consistently.
Which is the reason why everyone who wasn't a comic book reader went, "Iron Who?" when the movie was announced. And then that one unbelievably great trailer debuted and people's brains exploded.
Guardians of the Galaxy was barely on the radar even for comic book fans. When they rebooted the book in 2008 people were so excited that it debuted at #61. And then dropped with every issue until it was canceled two years later.
Selling 25k copies of a comic means the publisher earns their money back, but it's not something that makes a big splash even inside fandom.
Which is why everyone was asking "Who of the what?" when that movie was announced. And then audiences got to see the talking raccoon shooting a gun from atop a walking tree with Chris Pratt being both funny and beefcakey and boom, hit movie with massive awareness of the property.
Now the comic book, which is not exactly great, is consistently in the top 20 in sales. But that original trailer was constructed specifically to introduce them to audiences via an infodump, with shots filmed only for the trailer so they could get the message across. And that's because almost no one knew who they were.
"Which is the reason why everyone who wasn't a comic book reader went, "Iron Who?" when the movie was announced. And then that one unbelievably great trailer debuted and people's brains exploded."Not entirely true. I was never a superhero comic reader* , but I watched most of the 90's superhero cartoons and I definitely knew Iron Man from there. As far as I knew he was even one of the biggest, most well known heroes. The comics were never that big here, but the cartoons did a lot to bring the characters to people's awareness. At least within a certain age bracket. This also means that every Marvel and DC character who didn't show up in the cartoons, was even less known here than in the US.
*(Being from Belgium, I read a lot of Franco-Belgian BD's of the 70's and 80's though. My dad had a sizable collection that I kinda appropriated.)
I didn't watch any superhero cartoons, didn't read any superhero comics (I only started reading comics with Gaiman's Sandman when I was about to graduate college), and I think I only had a vague hint about Iron Man/Tony Stark when the Civil War was a big thing.Even then I probably didn't connect the dots till years later, and I actually had my PARENTS tell me to go see the Iron Man movie. I certainly like the movie version of him, but I don't really know anything about him otherwise.
Trike is definitely right on the GotG front; there were tons of articles explaining the different incarnations of the GotG to wider audiences (which acknowledge that it wasn't really much of a thing). I just thought it looked awesome from the trailers.
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I'd guess for some of those of us who grew up in the early 90s the Marvel cartoons on Fox (Spider-Man and X-Men) and ABC (Iron Man and Fantastic Four) likely did more for exposing us to marvel than their comics did. That's certainly why I knew who Iron Man was.
My love for those shows are what got me buying Spider-Man and X-men comics, figures and trading cards. But that didn't last long for me.
I had never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy before the movie though. A good trailer coupled with Marvel's past movies that I enjoyed are what got me to go see that opening weekend.
I still have little interest in reading the comics though. I am interested in the new GotG show though.
When you take away the charcters Marvel had already sold the movie rights to, F4, X-men, the Hulk, and Spider-Man, I'd say Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man are the biggest properties they had left. But with the exception of Spider-Man, before the first movies came out in the 90's, I don't think any Marval charcters had the world wide recognition of the DC trio of Superman, Batman, and Wonderwoman. So, in one way, almost all of the Marvel charcters were "B" level. If the movies had sucked, they would still be there, but they didn't so they have moved up in the world. The GOTG were more like "D" or "E" level charcters, much more obscure, although there had been a bit of geek love for the absurdity of Rocket Racoon and Groot. It would be like DC making a Jack Knight Starman movie.
I think it's also important to keep in mind that having seen the Marvel cartoons and being a reader of SF & F (or just being a reader at all) still means that someone is in a tiny minority, even among their peers.That's why most reviews of Iron Man felt the need to explain who he was. Such as this review from the New York Times where he writes, "Iron Man (a Marvel property not to be confused with the Man of Steel, who belongs to DC and who’s taking a break this year)". He doesn't feel the need to explain that the Man of Steel is Superman. That's the relative level of awareness we were talking about back in 2008.
It feels almost preposterous now that someone would be unaware of Iron Man, but that's how it was 7 years ago. Robert Downey Jr. was seen as a risky choice, and he wasn't even the highest-paid cast member.
Big Hero 6 is another excellent example. Even I, a longtime comic book reader whose friends are likewise comic book aficionados, had never heard of them. Yet Disney took an obscure Marvel property and turned it into the biggest animated movie of the year, as well as one of the biggest movies period.
I imagine that's how most people felt about Iron Man and GOTG: something they were completely oblivious to until the movie showed up.
As a long-time comics reader I can confirm that both Iron Man and Captain America were both secondary comics, well below X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, the Avengers and the like. The Thing even had his own comic, Marvel Team-Up. Guardians of the Galaxy would be lucky to be considered C level. I don't know that I read more than a handful even in my most rabid Marvel phase.
For those who are interested, here's a listing of the Top 100 comics sales (pre-orders, really) from Diamond Comics Distributors for Feb. 2015:http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1...
Please, Hollywood gods, let the man known as Logan join the Avengers. Also, I just thoroughly enjoy the Wolverine/Spider-Man dynamic. Something I never thought I'd ever witness on the big screen until the Marvel/Sony deal.
Come on Fox, Free Wolverine.
The Sony-Marvel deal has proven that anything is possible. Here are five reasons why Wolverine needs to join his fellow Avengers on the big screen.
5 Reasons Wolverine Needs to Join Marvel's Cinematic Universe [via CBR]