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message 1: by Hugh (last edited Nov 10, 2022 06:06AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Hugh (bodachliath) | 316 comments Mod
This section covers the three chapters of the Second scene, which covers Magdalen's adventures in York.

Chapter summaries (beware spoilers):
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message 2: by Brian E (last edited Nov 18, 2022 04:42PM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Brian E Reynolds | 148 comments I somewhat liked yet somewhat disliked the developments during this section.

1. Initially, I very much enjoyed Captain Wagge’s reentry into the storyline along with Mrs. Wagge. They seem to me the most Dickensian of any of Collins’ characters I’ve run into and getting to know the Mrs. and Captain better was fun.
2. However, by the end of this section’s reading, I was beginning to tire of both characters. Although I generally prefer Collins’ writing to Dickens’ when Dickens has these over the top, creepy but entertaining characters, he usually has sufficient other characters and plotlines to minimize the tendency of these types of characters to grow tiresome. Collins seems to use less characters and plotlines in his 800-page novels so we have 70 pages straight of the Wagge’s which resulted in them becoming tiresome. By the end of this section, I was hoping Wagge’s role would become more limited than it appears it will become.
3. Part of my being tired of Wagge may also be the result of my dislike of the plot development of Magdalen’s complete overreliance upon Wagge. From the story events so far, everyone knows she should stay completely away from Wagge. Absent that, though, I can understand her agreeing to use Wagge’s services in return for having him help look for her Uncle. Wagge, if scummy, will still serve a useful purpose for Magdalen and do a job she really had no other candidates for. But I saw no sufficient reason to hire him on his terms as an acting coach. That choice just helped Wagge get his claws into her without a compensating return. The deal for his assistance to look for the Uncle had already been made. Magdalen’s choice to hire Wagge as her ‘coach’ bothered me as a choice not consistent with Magdalen’s personality and was a gratuitous and unrealistic event that was intended to increase the melodrama. On reflection, It is silly for this plot choice to bother me as it is typical of sensation novels, and this is a sensation novel.


Linda | 1425 comments I agree with Brian - there were parts that I liked and disliked about this section.

I am interested in seeing what happens when Wragge and Magdalen find out about Michael Vanstone's living situation, and what Magdalen will do in order to extract her inheritance from him. I do think that Wragge and Magdalen suit each other well in their way of manipulation and being able to act their part, so it'll be interesting to see how they play off of one another. However, I also did a double-take when Wragge asked to be Magdalen's acting coach in return for half of her acting proceeds. My first thought was to wonder what he knew of acting in the first place, what credentials did he have? So on that same note, it seemed to me that Magdalen would have thought the same thing and would have been more cautious than to have joined up with him in that regard so suddenly. Perhaps she was caught up in the emotion of someone, once again, laying on thick praise for her acting abilities so that she was a bit flattered into accepting.

I also immediately thought of Dickens' larger than life comic characters when Wragge and Mrs Wragge entered the picture. I got the same feeling as Brian, though, in that if they are too much dominant in the book, it might well prove to be a detriment overall. It was for this reason I lowered my rating for David Copperfield, because the character Mr Micawbre took up too many pages in the book and I started to cringe every time he appears.


Dianne I enjoyed this section and I'm beginning to like the book a lot more now that the story has evolved beyond just privileged children with an idyllic lifestyle. I really wish we would have seen Magdalen try to solve her own problems rather than observe the almost preposterously unlikely event of Wragge just sweeping in and offering to solve all of her problems. He certainly seems to come across as less of a scoundrel than I had anticipated so it will be interesting to see if he does have her interests at heart at all. I agree that the Wragges certainly seem to be rather one dimensional. I also agree that the offer of serving as acting coach was just preposterous! I could Wragge helping out in other ways but did he really have experience in acting? I doubt it. I found it amusing that Magdalen acted like she had complete control of the situation and her decisions but if it weren't for Wragge, she would be returned already. Of course, she did have some level of awareness that her star had fallen so it will be interesting to see if her personality evolves.


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