These Violent Delights
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-Spoilers- If the story is parallel to the chest game, who won?
Francis
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Oct 06, 2022 10:09AM
This is one of my favourite books, but I am still a little confused by the ending. There is so much foreshadowing around someone being manipulated, yet I don’t know who exactly they are talking about because the whole situation is just very fucked. What was the moment of checkmate? Was it when Paul and Julian were at the cliff, or was it the very ending? The sacrifice was Charlie, and it was more Julian’s sacrifice wasn’t it? Or was it Paul’s move? I think the ending meant they were doomed from the start, but could it mean that it was all a game for Julian, or both? Or was the chest game Paul and Julian vs. the police? I honestly have no idea right now, I would love some opinions of people smarter than me.
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I am defintiley not smarter than you in anyway!, just another rookie trying to piece together this story from the ending, cuz oh my fuckin god this book left me in shambles.
in my opinion, since the end was Paul's realisation of their doomed relationship and Julian was dead. Paul won.
Though that aspect of the ending could also be viewed as a 'no one wins' kind of way. Paul never got away with the murder and Julian never was able to 'fix' Paul in the way he wanted to (considering how paul kinda seemed like Julians pet guinea pig project all through the novel - well atleast to me).
With the manipulation overlook, I think that their relationship was just so damn heavy, unhealthy and intoxicating that they were both commiting destruction towards eachother and themselves. IT was almost like an unconcious but concious act of self inflicted harm through pyschlogical torture which slowly morphed into physical. In other words, they wanted that self inflicted pain through the act of hurting eachother but then falling back into that repataive pattern of the inability to leave eachother alone. To answer that, they were both being manipulated while the other thought they were manipulating the other.
The Chess game was there before the Police and the murder so I'm guessing it was just between Paul and Julian. albeit, the whole chess innuendo is difficult to take apart so I'm not too sure. I do believe you were right about the moment of checkmate being when they were on the cliff, the closing in being the lead up to Charlie's murder.
in my opinion, since the end was Paul's realisation of their doomed relationship and Julian was dead. Paul won.
Though that aspect of the ending could also be viewed as a 'no one wins' kind of way. Paul never got away with the murder and Julian never was able to 'fix' Paul in the way he wanted to (considering how paul kinda seemed like Julians pet guinea pig project all through the novel - well atleast to me).
With the manipulation overlook, I think that their relationship was just so damn heavy, unhealthy and intoxicating that they were both commiting destruction towards eachother and themselves. IT was almost like an unconcious but concious act of self inflicted harm through pyschlogical torture which slowly morphed into physical. In other words, they wanted that self inflicted pain through the act of hurting eachother but then falling back into that repataive pattern of the inability to leave eachother alone. To answer that, they were both being manipulated while the other thought they were manipulating the other.
The Chess game was there before the Police and the murder so I'm guessing it was just between Paul and Julian. albeit, the whole chess innuendo is difficult to take apart so I'm not too sure. I do believe you were right about the moment of checkmate being when they were on the cliff, the closing in being the lead up to Charlie's murder.
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