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Ariadne by Jennifer Saint - July 2022 Adult or Non-Fiction BOM (starts 2 July 2022)
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
This is not one I would have chosen, so here for points but really enjoying it so far. It has been a long time since I've really thought about Greek mythology (before this challenge). Some is vaguely familiar.
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
It's an interesting start. I don't have a favorite nor have I chosen based on that, but it can set the tone.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
I think it made all of the characters more real. Asterion may have been a sweet baby and all the relationships were complex.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I do enjoy this. I don't think dialogue is a must for a story to be fast paced. Plenty has been happening and there is still a good sense of who the characters are.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?I have already read this, and loved it, so I am happy to reread, but mainly here for the points. I grew up on the Greek myths, and I have been to Knossos, so I have seen the "labyrinth"
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
My favorite opening line has always been-
"There was a boy called Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it."
For xmas this year I got a mug with opening lines written on it. Several were stumpers for me, or I had forgotten them, but some were so good...
"All this happened, more or less."
"A screaming comes across the sky."
"Mother died today. Or, maybe, yesterday."
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
I do. I very much like Ariadne. She is interesting throughout.
It is fun to see the Minotaur- the early years. When you know what is going to happen, it makes some things poignant, and some things cringe-worthy.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I do like this type of writing in a good author's hand. And, this is a good author. I never feel like I am bored or out of the story.
I love the descriptions of the world and the people in it.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
Ariadne is one of those books that's been sitting on my bookshelf for ages but I've never really gotten around to reading. The points gave me the push to read it now. I'm somewhat familiar with the myth although don't remember the details particularly well. I'm sure Minos and Daedelus popped up in another book but I'm struggling to remember which one, maybe Circe
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
It is a great opening line. I don't think I've ever bought a book based on an opening line, I tend to base my buying decisions on cover and synopsis. For me Liz Nugent is the queen of opening lines. I think my fave from her is "My husband did not mean to kill Annie Doyle but the lying tramp deserved it" (or something like that).
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
I think it definitely showed the strength of her character. She was scared but she felt pity for her brother and wanted to help mother. It was always going to end with minotaur in a maze but I was hoping there would be more to Asterion, that he would have a bit more human in there. It did seem like he had a connection with both his mother and Ariadne.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I have to admit I am not loving the writing style. It's too heavy on the description and narration for me. I tend to find my attention wanders with this kind of writing and I have to reread sections because I've been thinking about something else. I also think by being more tell than show the emotion and connection to the story and characters is lost.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
Points. I'm not a big fan of myth retellings and I wouldn't have chosen this book on my own. I am somewhat familiar with this myth.
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
I can't think of one off the top of my head but a good opening line can really draw you in.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
Definitely. It lets us see that maybe things weren't always so bad or even that things are more complex than we might first imagine.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I do not enjoy this style of writing. It just makes the events seem less important to me if they are just TOLD and not shown. That being said I don't find the pace of this book to be slow.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
I was excited enough about this book to get a print ARC of it mailed to me during an ALA conference, but then my excitement waned as my overall reading free time went down, but eventually my excitement for it grew again!
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
Can’t think of any favorites, but I have definitely bought (or downloaded free for Kindle etc) based on the first line. Sometimes to my great regret if the rest of the book turns out to be bad compared to the opening.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
It was very evocative, and therefore did the trick to help establish character. I did not find the baby and toddler descriptions anywhere close to sweet.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I like it so far. It’s a bit purple but I kind of expected that to be the case. I agree about this method allowing more depth and detail.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
Uhm. Not really excited going into the book tbh, and while I wish I was more familiar with myths in general, the myths are my favourite part of the book so far :)
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
I don't really pay that much attention to opening lines of books, or any media really although this particular one seems to be quite a good one! (although it already sets us up as to how it's going to be narrated which I'm not a huge fan of)
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
I think it sets up the story quite nicely. We get to meet everyone and find out what they're like, Ariadne especially. Was he ever sweet though, I'm not so sure...
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I'm actually surprised by how much I enjoyed this first part as it's not a book I would have sought out myself, but the first person narrative is something I usually quite dislike and needs getting used to. Ariadne reads very young so far, but I'm hoping that will change. (Do I have high hopes though? I don't think so)
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
I have heard of Theseus but I don't remember much of the details about him or his heroic acts. His story sounds pretty similar to the other Greek heroes. I feel his humble and collected demeanour is an act. I don't think he's doing these heroic acts because they're right and he wants to help people, I think he's trying to make a name for himself
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
I'm not sure she actually loves him. She says herself she hasn't been around any men and I think she imagines herself in love as a way to justify her actions and escape marriage to the disgusting letch her father has chosen for her.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
I don't know why Theseus left her, possibly so he wouldn't have to admit that he'd needed her help. Maybe he was using her from the start and needed to keep her onside and quiet long enough to make their escape but as soon as he got the chance he ditched her.
Part of me is frustrated with Ariadne, she seems to be giving up and not even attempting to survive. Even if Theseus didn't return surely someone would have at some point. I guess she's had a very sheltered and privileged life though so probably doesn't know how to do anything.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
I'm certain it was deliberate. When she wasn't in the right place it seemed clear Theseus had given her false directions. I don't think she had any choice but to go back to the Palace and it would have been very suspicious if she hadn't wanted to hear what had happened.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
I guess hubris and nemesis were the cause of Asterion's birth in the first place. I have to admit to hoping the gods will step in and help Ariadne or take vengeance on Theseus.
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
The books The Bull from the Sea and The King Must Die, by Mary Renault, were a couple of my favorite books. They tell the story of Theseus from the hero perspective, and although he is not perfect in those stories, I very much admired him. Less so in this retelling. He starts off well, and I can see how an impressionable, sheltered girl would fall head over heels. I still have a soft spot for all the Greek heroes in my heart, as I loved reading the myths when I was a kid. I think it might be why I like the Marvel universe so much, These new heroes mirror the Greek heroes of old in my mind.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
I remember falling instantly in love with boys, but not so much that I would betray my people and run away with them. I have thought of doing that of course. Knowing that the way the myths were told over the millennia, that strong emotions, either real, or inspired by the mischievous gods, were just the thing, it doesn't really bother me in this story.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
Basically, because he got what he needed out of her, and now he doesn't need to think about her anymore. Prick.
Well, broken heart, plus wishful thinking is driving her at the moment.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
Reread for me, so I won't answer the first part. It probably wasn't wise of her, but what else was she to do? She may be smart, but resourceful?
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
You can follow the progression in both Ariadne's and Theseus' characters so far. I will not say where it strikes next. Spoilers.
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
The name sounds familiar, but I am realizing that I have to brush up on my mythology. As he tells his story, he does seem to fit.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
In this context, I think it worked well. She is sheltered, desperate to get away from an unwanted match, and young. The way it ends is so sad but makes up for this part.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
Because he is a man who uses others for his gain. He may care about his people, but not outside of that. Plus, women are pawns. I think it was his plan to hurt Midos further and possible to keep her as his side woman. Also, he may think like Midos, that she isn't worthy since she would betray family. Her thoughts are interesting and logical (of a sort).
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
I thought they basically told us it was on purpose. I don't think she misunderstood. I think she was wise. I doubt anyone noticed and if she is careful no one will think her suspect. They might if she wasn't there.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
It is definitely there for Ariadne and Theseus. Not sure what will happen.
1. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?I'd picked it up cheap in an audible sale, so was planning to read it regardless. the extra points are a nice bonus :)
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
I have so many favourites, but love the conversational style ones like this, or like "Call me Ishmael" from Moby-Dick for example.
The opening lines of my favourite novels always fill me with joy and anticipation.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
I think it served to show that she was meant to be the only kind, caring person around, but ultimately I think the characterisation on the whole fell a bit flat.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I usually really enjoy descriptive writing, when it is done well. This is ok, but a little flowery for my tastes, or more to the point, flowery for the sake of being flowery, if that makes any sense...
5. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
I definitely know his story already (and he ain't all that humble! lol). I don't think he's as well-known to the general public as the other two.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
It usually really irritates me, but here it fits, as the myths were all a bit like that. And when we're talking teenagers, you bet I think it's realistic! I was once a teenage girl, and I raised one too, and the insta-love thing was definitely a thing.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
He's a love 'em and leave 'em kinda guy...
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
I finished the book already, so know, but I definitely think it was at least very heavily implied it was on purpose. The only way to make it more obvious would have been with a sledgehammer ;)
wise or not, she didn't exactly have any other options.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
I finished the book, so know where, but yes, it's fairly obvious in both Theseus and Ariadne
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
I actually had this one on my TBR for a few months and voted for it! I’m quite familiar with Greek mythology and while I’ve never sought out stories surrounding the Minotaur, they do show up a lot and I’ve got a pretty good grasp on everything.
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
I don’t think about them ever… there are exactly two I know (Pride and Prejudice and Anna Karenina) and I have no desire to retain any others 🙈 I am however really picky about opening lines in fan fiction… if I don’t like it I’m out.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
I’m having a very hard time focusing on this book (see also my answer to the next question). I read this section twice and I’m still okay alright then those were words about it.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
Not gonna lie I’m not loving it… it’s grating on me… the excessive use of whilst at every opportunity… I don’t think I usually mind detailed descriptions but I don’t see pictures in my head while reading anyway so it takes a lot for it to do something for me. Idk if this is mean and maybe I shouldn’t say it but it feels like the author is trying very hard to write beautifully and flowery and to me it just comes across as pretentious and annoying.
Judy wrote: "it feels like the author is trying very hard to write beautifully and flowery and to me it just comes across as pretentious and annoying."I have to agree to an extent. She's trying way too hard. It's hard to pull off that kind of writing and not sound pretentious, and I don't think she manages all that well. It's so frustrating, because there is a really good book buried in there, but between that and the "bitchy feminism" (the kind where the only way the person knows to elevate women is to put down men... gives feminists a bad name, IMO.) I found it a struggle to keep track of that good book. :(
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
▶ Honestly, I'm just here for the points. Back in high school, I was really into Greek mythology so when I saw this book for the BOM, I told myself, why not give it a try. I was not familiar with Ariadne at all but when I started the book, that's where I googled her and found some interesting things about her myth.
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
▶ Hmmm.. I don't think I have a favorite opening line.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
▶ I think the descriptions have really established Ariadne and the other characters in this book.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
▶ I like the writing style so far, it makes it more interesting for the reader to keep going on and I hope it stays that way.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
Really, just started this book for the points. However, as a kid I really liked Greek legends so it's not hardship to read this book.
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
Great opening line. my favourite is from Pride and Prejudice or maybe Little Women. A great opening line can really hook you from the get go. Hope the book lives up to it.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
Definitely, there is compassion and empathy there. I'm a bit hazy on the details of this story but if I remember rightly she aids Theseus to kill her brother. Maybe these early memories are added so the reader can see that Ariadne is conflicted about what will happen later?
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I think this style suits the story of a legend being unfurled. I usually like this style although I got heartily sick of it with Nalini Singh so it's got to be done well or it becomes repetitive.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
Originally just here for the points, I hadn't heard of this book before. I am woefully ignorant on most things mythology. I only know what I have picked up in reading fiction retellings, so there's a lot I'm missing.
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
I don't really have a favorite opening line. For me, the summary is what catches my interest as well as who wrote it. I have not bought a book on the opening line alone but I find the idea charming!
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
Unfortunately, I had no feeling of where this was going, largely due to my lack of knowledge on the subject. I know nothing of Ariadne's character and if this was an apt introduction but it seemed to suit just fine.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I like the pace of the book and I haven't noticed the extreme lack of dialogue. Nothing seems wanting and I am looking forward to the see what happens.
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
I remember the story a little.. Theseus may be a warrior but he isn't what he seems in regards to Ariadne. If my memory serves me right, he dumps her and marries someone else.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
This is often how legends go... love at first sight, then something big happens and often the lovers are torn apart.. So the author is being true to the type of story it is.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
He tricked her and used her. What a creep. I get that Ariadne must be kicking herself but all that self flagellation isn't going to save her. She needs to pull herself together and figure something out. But planning mightn't be her strong point from what we've previously learned of her character.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
Theseus played them both. She's clever to head back to the palace and act innocent. Might as well save herself if she can.. and get revenge later.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
Hopefully Theseus gets what's coming to him. bwahahaha.
DQs Day 3(I am typing this on my phone, so I apologize if there is weirdness. Stupid internet is still down.)
10) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
DQs Day 310) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?
I was surprised. She seems to have been drifting around in a haze for a long time showing barely any emotion. While her reaction was extreme it was good to see her come back to reality.
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
He seems too good to be true in a lot of ways. I don't really blame Ariadne for not entirely trusting him. For a god he does seem very down to earth and it's interesting how relaxed and open Ariadne is with him
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
I keep swinging back and forth on whether I actually like Phaedra. When she was younger she seemed like a bit of a bratt. She lacks Ariadne's kindness and empathy. Now that she's in Athens she comes across more calculating and cold. In some ways I'm liking it, Theseus deserves everything coming to him, but I feel like a fall is coming.
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
For most regular people (i.e. not kings or warriors or whatever) I think it's unlikely they would have attracted the attention of the gods but no doubt they would have felt the fall out from whatever curse or plague that they sent to amuse themselves. I don't think I'd like it
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
I think they have to at some point. I think they'll be reunited but I'm not entirely sure how it will go. I can't imagine Ariadne will be happy Phaedra is married to Theseus.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
Just here for the points. I don't really understand the popularity of these mythology retellings which are not necessarily better than the original stories. Yes, I'm familiar with Greek/Roman mythology, I learnt about it at school during my 2 years of Latin classes.
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
I can't remember a favourite opening line but I agree that there are books with strong opening lines/scenes. I love when I'm immediately captivated.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
I don't feel I got to know her so far, especially the way the story is written. It keeps the reader at a distance. Lots of telling.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I agree with Judy's answer. I'm not liking the writing style (see answer above). I've read better translated mythology stories than this. I zoned out already a couple of times and can do without the metaphors. So far I'm liking the Norse mythology retelling The Witch's Heart better. I think this one is boring and nothing new. Usually I prefer faster paced books.
DQs Day 21. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
▶ I have never heard of Theseus before until I read some about Ariadne. I think I can compare him with Achilles personality wise.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
▶ I don't think she loves him, maybe more of a crush. She has mentioned that she wasn't around with men growing up so probably that's her way to justify her actions and to escape the marriage her father arranged for her.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
▶ I think Theseus left Ariadne on the island because he thought she is more of a liability than of help. He might've thought of that when Ariadne was arguing with him about Phaedra not with them in their ship. I was a little disappointed with Ariadne because it seems like she already gave up that easily, probably one reason is she grew up sheltered and was not prepared in situations like that. But still, she could've at least make an effort to do so.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
▶ I think Phaedra was purposely left behind by Theseus. He intentionally gave her false directions and I don't think she had any choice but to return to the palace.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
▶ It is definitely there for Ariadne and Theseus. I'm not sure yet what will happen next.
DQs Day 310) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?
It must have been difficult to have such a son. A reminder of how you were cursed and a son who couldn't be a normal child.
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
He is an interesting character. I think like him. It is interesting to see how Ariadne has learned to be careful - possibly too careful, with others now.
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
I think she is a great character. She learns how to do her best in the situation she was in. I love how she convinced her husband to travel more so she could enjoy time without him.
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
It sounds horrible. That said, I probably wouldn't be interesting enough to pay attention to.
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
Dionysus had a premonition of Phaedra going to Naxos. I hope that they get to see each other again. I wonder if Phaedra will try to find and bury her sisters remains after Theseus is gone or if there will be another reason.
DQs Day 1 1. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
~ Mostly for points but I had purchased this book on Chirp, so I wanted to listen to it too. I was not too familiar with these specific myths
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
~I don't have a favorite opening lines, but I do agree a good line can pull you into the book!
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
~I'll admit it was a bit confusing for me. But the further I get into the book the clearer the story gets. The beginning was a bit difficult to keep details straight.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
~ I found it a bit difficult to orient myself to the story. But after a few chapters I was re-oriented.
10) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?I think that now matter how your child turns out, be it saint or monster, there's going to be strong emotion if that child passes. In her situation, where the grief was no doubt mingled with a huge sense of relief, i'm actually surprised she didn't start wearing her underpants on her head and running around the palace yelling "wibble, wibble dinosaur!"
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
There was definitely a strong sense of someone who was very sure of himself. Ariadne annoyed me quite a bit though by immediately assuming the worst of him. It made her come across as a bitter old woman.
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
Got to give her props for making the best of her situation. At the initial stage, I thought her showing promise as a clever person who could make great changes for the good if she so wished. shame about where it all went from there...
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
It would be awful. Gods don't generally play nice with humans. I'd consider moving. To Pluto maybe...
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
finished the book, so won't give spoilers ;)
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
Just here for the points, I read it a year ago and it left me wanting
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
I don't usually open up a book to read any of it before buying it. maybe that is weird hahaha. But I do like a good opening linne.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
It was more like a regurgitation of a Wikipedia entry....
4. What do you think of the writing so far?
It is hard to find the legality in a lack of creation of anything new other than a regurgitation of other mythical articles. That was my issue with this entire book
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
Yes, I am a huge world mythology buff. HIs backstory is like a lot of heroes, but he is ane extra tool.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
This actually has zero to do with the author and 100% the way that the myth was depicted. She just used those myths that existed without any additional original addition to it.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
He knew that he could and she would still wait for him.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
Theseus is a waste of space. This was on purpose (as portrayed in the original myths).
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
Again, none of this book adds anything original to the already depicted myths. I could read a Wikipedia article and basically get the exact same details as I got from this book.
10) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?She was extreme, like most women of this time period as depicted in myths, so it was to be expected
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
He came in flying like a typical greek myth man.. And she of course had to fight it initially, because the of Theseus the Tool
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
I always loved Phaedra, but again, nothing original here. Like the rest of the book.
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
What makes you think that we don't? ;)
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
Yeah I already know this myth very well and have studied it extensively. I also have read the book so my answer would be a spoiler
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
~I have not hear of Theseus before, if I did, I didn't remember his story. I think it fits right in with the other mythological stories
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
~ I do feel like it's more lust and not real love. I guess it's possible ,especially back then when you could just get married off to any man.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
~I was not really surprised, it seemed too easy for him to return her love. I would feel the same way she did, shocked and terribly unhappy.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
~I think it was on purpose and wonder if she is actually alive?
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
~With Thesesus, I agree with Lisa (Aussie girl) - he's got it coming!
DQs Day 310) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?
~ As bizarre as the creature was she was still his mother. A mother's love is like no other
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
~At this time I'm optimistic that he will treat Ariadne well enough. But as all of the gods have shown, he can flip for no good reason.
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
~I am so proud of her! Smart smart girl
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
~It would be terrifying! Never knowing when you would enrage a god for no good reason. YIKES!
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
~I think they will eventually find out the truth about each other and I am hoping/predicting that they will forgive any wrongdoings and will join forces to kick some bootie!
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
I had not heard of Theseus before. I don’t truly know the backstories of either Hercules or Achilles so I can't speak to that. Leaving Ariadne on the island does not fit his previous demeanor, but then again, he could be acting.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
I think if this wasn't about myths and magic, the insta love would bother me. But in a world of minatours and flying wings, insta love is plausible, possibly involving fate, prophecies, magic, etc.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
Unfortunately it does look like this was Theseus' plan from the beginning. It's horrible, but I'm sure this is how Ariadne's origin story starts. Her thoughts, feelings and actions appear apt for someone going through such a betrayal.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
Purposefully without a doubt. Why? Possibly because then there would have to have been a 'minder' for her, to distract from their leaving them on the island.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
Atis in Ariadne's and her sister's naivety and trusting in Theseus. Nemesis possibly in both Ariadne's punishment and Theseus'.
DQs day1. #s 1 - 41. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
I had noticed this book a couple of months ago, so when I saw that it was your BOM, it seemed like a good opportunity. I read a lot of Greek mythology when I was a teenager (decades ago) and I have Mary Renault’s books on my shelves still. They were one of the few places where you could find stories about “homosexual” characters - no one was “gay” in those days, gay hadn’t been invented yet.
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
Certainly a good opening line. It recalls the oral tradition of the Greek stories like the Iliad and the Odyssey.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
Ariadne seems to be sweet and caring of her siblings, and horrified by what her brother became.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
Yes, I enjoy the density of the prose. I may have to read a passage a couple of times to get the full effect, but it is so worth it. The author is building an edifice around the reader, the whole palace and society of Crete. This is what makes reading worthwhile.
DQs Day 3(I am typing this on my phone, so I apologize if there is weirdness. Stupid internet is still down.)
10) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?
If this was in another world without myths and magic, I would believe it strange. Her immediate reaction seemed fitting and her almost coming out of a trance made sense to her previous behavior and actions taken upon her by the Gods.
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
I'm very interested to see how their relationship changes. Do they become lovers? Surely she will find someone for a romantic relationship. Perhaps, the sailor originally with Dionysus? Dionysus does seem a better God than others, but I agree the story of him with Midas and the child, does give me pause.
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
I'm not sure I saw her as being smarter and less naive than her sister initially. I saw her as Ariadne saw her, a love sick child. While I love the person she has become, I'm not sure how much it fit her original character.
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
Terrible. But don't we already have that?
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
Oh yes. Eventually they will meet again. And bring hell on Theseus.
Great questions Jenny!
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
The only Theseus I know is Theseus Scamander 🙃 From what I know (which isn't much) it seems like his backstory fits in with other well-known Greek heroes, although we don't actually know how he's defeating all those monsters, do we? I'm not sure if I believe him, although he did prove me wrong when he brought back (parts of???) the Minotaur.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
I hate insta love so much omg!!! Does anyone EVER experience this in real life? I mean, is it possible??? I just, I can't grasp it to be honest. And it makes the MC so annoying too? :(
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
I wasn't actually all that surprised. I mean I was surprised that they just left while she was still asleep, but I didn't trust him and obviously they weren't gonna have their happily ever after... I just thought she would get to Athens first.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
Isn't it obvious that this was done on purpose? I'm actually surprised Ariadne didn't realize they were heading to the west bank instead of east like Theseus had told Phaedra the night before. Where else could she have gone though instead of back to the Palace?? I doubt she'll tell what happened, but I'm worried her father might be suspicious of her knowing more than she's leading on.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
Definitely Theseus, but from what we've been told about the Gods so far I think Ariadne might have it coming too...
DQs Day 310) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?
It was surprising at first, but when you think about it a bit more it makes sense what Phaedra has been told. Even though I don’t think you can ever completely get over something like what the Gods did to Pasiphae, she‘s definitely breathing easier now which I’m sure Minos’s absence plays a big part in too.
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
I’m not sure whether to trust him yet, but I like the both of them opening up to each other, Dionysus in particular. He’s probably a good guy helping Ariadne (and Phaedra) defeat Theseus in the end *shrugs*
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
I preferred her POV over Ariadne’s from the beginning (which is a bad sad tbh since the book is called Ariadne and not Phaedra…) and I can’t wait to see how she’s plotting to overturn Theseus in the future *eyes Emoji*
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
It would be horrible!! They don’t seem to ever have good intentions and I honestly don‘t think the world would be a better place. The only people gaining from their existence would be rich white man, I’m sure.
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
I’m sure they will, but I can’t foresee how yet.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book? I'm somewhat familiar with the myths behind this story. I just picked up the book because of the points, but I'm really enjoying the name dropping of heroes and monsters and how it relates to the TT challenge!
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
What a fun question to think about! My mind immediately went to "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...." which I still really like as an opener. I also like:
"There was a boy called Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it" (Voyage of the Dawn Treader)
And I like from Terry Pratchett (don't remember what book) Everything starts somewhere, although many physicists disagree.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character? It felt very epic to me - yes it was a good establishing "shot"
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction? I generally prefer more dialogue and characterization. This one is so formal. But this writing totally fits the style of the story!
DQs Day 21. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
I may of heard of Theseus at some point, but I sure don't remember him. I can't see a lot of similarity between his story and Hercules and Achilles - but that's because what I know of their stories have a lot more interaction with the gods and Theseus seems to be doing more his own thing.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
I have insta-love too, but I can kind of see it happening here because Ariadne wanted so much to get away, plus he was a lot better looking than her perspective husband.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
I totally think Theseus deserted Ariadne (and I expected him to as soon as they left Phaedra behind). I was surprised that it wasn't her first thought and that it only sunk in once she saw all the food they left. I HATED she still dreamed of his returning/sleeping with him.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
I think it was on purpose and it must be because it would have been harder to sleep with Ariadne if Phaedra was there. And I think she had no choice but to go back to the palace, but she could be in big trouble!
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
I am kind of anxious to see Nemesis hit Theseus, although we shall see. Seems like these stories are always a lot less fair to women. If it does happen, I think it'll take awhile.
DQs Day 4:15. What do you think about Dionysus' encounter with Hades, the god of the Underworld?
16. It seems like Ariadne loves her life in Naxos, what do you think of her relationship with Dionysus?
17. Ariadne is horrified by the bloody rites she witnesses between Dionysus, the maenads, and the resurrected goat. In attempting to understand the maenads’ participation, she reflects: “The ritual gave fearful shape to the anger and the grief that had driven so many of them here in the first place; they screamed and danced in their blood-soaked frenzy by night so that they could live serenely in the sunlight.” Does this explanation make sense to you?
18. Were you more drawn to Ariadne’s or Phaedra’s chapters? Why do you think the author chose to include both of their perspectives?
*some of these questions are inspired from the DQs that I have found online.
DQs Day 3(I am typing this on my phone, so I apologize if there is weirdness. Stupid internet is still down.)
10) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?
I think the old dude explained it pretty well. She'd been holding in all her trauma and the death of her son however monstrous he was was the catalyst for her to release all her pain.
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
I quite like the God of Wine, Women and Song, LOL.. his backstory is interesting. He doesn't seem as much of a w***er as the other male Gods. And he is fairly helpful to Ariadne.
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
She is a survivor and makes the best of the situation. I don't dislike her, actually admire her quite a bit.
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
The Gods are pretty cruel. Life can be difficult with or without Ancient Gods. Isn't this how people justified terrible events like earthquakes, floods and plagues back in the day? It must be the will of the Gods, unseen higher powers over which mankind had no control?
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
Definitely. I'm thinking this will be the denouement of the novel, the sister coming together and getting revenge on Theseus.
DQs Day 310) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?
I thought it was really interesting. I mean, mother of the year she would not be awarded, but she had a pretty good reason for being off. Raped by a bull, married to a tyrant, etc, etc. I think she was genuinely sad about the death of her son, but also her broken mind got to heal a little bit maybe. I do not like how she treated her other children though.
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
I love his character. Gleefully turning bad men into dolphins, taking it in stride that a random princess is stranded on his island. I also like the fact that he was not raised by the Olympians. It makes him happier, I think.
I do wish Ariadne trusted him more, but in her short life, she has not had a lot of good examples of trustworthy people. Except maybe Daedalus, and a servant or two.
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
I think Phaedra is a schemer, but I applaud her trying to make something out of nothing. I like the fact that she does not take Theseus at his word, about the night of the escape, or why Ariadne died the way he told her.
I loved the Athenian festival she organized. I want to go to that.
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
I think it would be horrific. It is bad enough that powerful people can change or ruin the lives of others on a whim. Imagine if those people had superpowers. Yuck. What if Jeff Bezos changed himself into a swan or a bull or something to seduce a pliant young waif. Eww.
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
I predict that the alien spaceship will pick them both up and they will reunite on Neptune. Or, I have finished the book and don't want to give any spoilers.
DQs Day 4:15. What do you think about Dionysus' encounter with Hades, the god of the Underworld?
I enjoyed the story, it showed the more human qualities in each God.
16. It seems like Ariadne loves her life in Naxos, what do you think of her relationship with Dionysus?
She seemed content and happy with it, till her sister came and put doubts in her mind. Begs the question, is ignorance bliss or is truth despite the pain always better?
17. Ariadne is horrified by the bloody rites she witnesses between Dionysus, the maenads, and the resurrected goat. In attempting to understand the maenads’ participation, she reflects: “The ritual gave fearful shape to the anger and the grief that had driven so many of them here in the first place; they screamed and danced in their blood-soaked frenzy by night so that they could live serenely in the sunlight.” Does this explanation make sense to you?
Is it a cathartic experience? Express all their pain and anger so they can go on? I sort of understand what Ariadne is getting at but don't know if I agree with it really.
18. Were you more drawn to Ariadne’s or Phaedra’s chapters? Why do you think the author chose to include both of their perspectives?
I don't prefer one over the other. They balance each other out which I think is the intention of the author.
DQs Day 4:15. What do you think about Dionysus' encounter with Hades, the god of the Underworld?
It seemed very odd to me. I would have liked a bit more Hades, it all seemed to happen very quickly and everything was bit too easy but it is suggested that Hades had his own motivations for letting Dionysus free his mother.
16. It seems like Ariadne loves her life in Naxos, what do you think of her relationship with Dionysus?
I've finished the book so I'm trying not to say too much here but until Phaedra appears and puts doubt in her mind her life seems to work for her. She's always been family orientated and isn't looking for the attention of the gods so this seems like a good life for her.
17. Ariadne is horrified by the bloody rites she witnesses between Dionysus, the maenads, and the resurrected goat. In attempting to understand the maenads’ participation, she reflects: “The ritual gave fearful shape to the anger and the grief that had driven so many of them here in the first place; they screamed and danced in their blood-soaked frenzy by night so that they could live serenely in the sunlight.” Does this explanation make sense to you?
I guess if you're angry and upset it could be an outlet to express your emotions. Not convinced it's a particularly great one and it seemed the Maenads were upset about it after the act so I guess they get to replace their anger with guilt.
18. Were you more drawn to Ariadne’s or Phaedra’s chapters? Why do you think the author chose to include both of their perspectives?
I'm not sure I had a preference or if I did it tended to vary over the course of the book. If I had to choose probably Ariadne but I did think Phaedra was the more interesting character. I guess both were included to show the different paths of both of Minos' daughters plus so we could keep track of what Theseus was up to post Ariadne abandonment.
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
I've heard of Theseus before but his story wasn't my favourite. My favourite hero is Odysseus. However the stories I remember the best and that had the most impact on me as a teenager were the ones about Prometheus, Tantalus, Sisyphus, and King Midas. There are lessons to be learnt there.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
At this point I couldn't care less about this book (it's incredibly boring and just a cheap copy/paste of the original mythology) but yes, indeed I said it before and will say it again: "instant love" should be banned from the literary world. I'm fine with "instant lust" however; I can believe in that.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
Because he got better things to do, like make a name for himself and making sure that Ariadne doesn't get the credit of defeating the Minotaur. She goes through all the stages of denial. I'm glad she alone on the island so she can calmly process it.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
It was on purpose. She had no other choice - unless she has a ship she's stuck on Crete.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
I think all our main characters may expect a visit of the gods; Theseus, Ariadne, and Phaedra.
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DQs Day 310) What did you think of Pasiphae’s response to the death of her son, the Minotaur?
Understandable, he was still her son and she's still recovering from the gods 'bewitching' her. The old advisor with the long name explained it well in my opinion.
11) Dionysus makes quite the entrance, doesn’t he? What are your thoughts on him and the interaction between him and Ariadne?
He seems an interesting character. Looking forward to learn more about him. It looks like he has good intentions towards Ariadne.
12) Phaedra comes into her own in Athens. What do you think of her in her new life?
She's taking it well so far. I enjoy Phaedra's POV (more than Ariadne's). I wonder when she will find out about Theseus and her sister and what she will do about it.
13) We see many examples of the gods playing with mortals in this story; Pasiphae with the bull. King Midas and his golden touch, Hera causing Semele to burn. what do you think it would be like to live in a world where gods existed and interacted with humans?
I think it's better it never happens - it's a recipe for disaster. Makes me think of the TV show The Boys.
14) Do you think the sisters will find out the truth about one another? If so, any predictions on what will happen?
They will but don't know how at this point.
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
I have heard of Theseus from his time in the labyrinth and his ship. I think the other Greek heroes are probably known more. I kind of knew his humble demeanor was all a ruse. There is no way a Greek hero is going to be anything but a self-serving jerk.
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
I don't know about "realistic" but I can see if someone is very sheltered and in a bad home situation falling for the first person who is nice to her. He's a hero, he's good-looking, it isn't that hard to believe.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
I think it is a case of "he's not that into her." He used her to get what he wanted and then didn't need her anymore. I think in the Greek myth he left her because she was claimed by Dionysus. I can see someone deciding not to battle a God for someone.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace? Yes, I think it was on purpose but I don't know why. Once again, I think in the original myth she wasn't left behind. I would be curious how the book is going to change the lore further. I think she didn't have a choice but to return and also I don't think anyone knew about her involvement.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next? I didn't notice this but yeah I think Nemesis could completely happen to Theseus. I know the basics of his myths but I don't remember how it all ends.
DQs Day 11. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
I got this book from Book of the Month back in May 2021, so I'm definitely excited to read it! Though I'm a bit shame-faced that it took me so long, haha. I am familiar with the myth of Theseus and the part Ariadne played. I'm excited to see how the author plays around with the myth!
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
I'm notorious for being a cover-buyer, so I usually don't even open the book to read the opening line 😂 I did love the opening line in this, though, and agree it was a great way to start the story. Especially since it's a Greek myth retelling and it harkens back to oral storytelling, to me.
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
I think it served to show that the gods are kind of awful. That they were curse this innocent to become a monster just cause they don't like Minos. I also think it helped to establish the type of woman Ariadne would become.
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?
I'm really enjoying the writing, so far. It invokes mythology in my mind because of how, like you said, it's Ariadne telling us a story. I don't mind that's not particularly dialogue-heavy because I feel like we're getting very in tune with Ariadne as a character. And, since the book is about her part in this myth, I'm happy about that.
DQs Day 415. What do you think about Dionysus' encounter with Hades, the god of the Underworld?
I actually zoned out here, oops.
16. It seems like Ariadne loves her life in Naxos, what do you think of her relationship with Dionysus?
Their relationship feels way too dreamy for me; I fear it's not as good as it sounds...
17. Ariadne is horrified by the bloody rites she witnesses between Dionysus, the maenads, and the resurrected goat. In attempting to understand the maenads’ participation, she reflects: “The ritual gave fearful shape to the anger and the grief that had driven so many of them here in the first place; they screamed and danced in their blood-soaked frenzy by night so that they could live serenely in the sunlight.” Does this explanation make sense to you?
It's what Ariadne wants to believe, and it does make sense to her at least, but I honestly don't think I agree.
18. Were you more drawn to Ariadne’s or Phaedra’s chapters? Why do you think the author chose to include both of their perspectives?
As I've mentioned before, I've always preferred Phaedra's. Even though Ariadne is the elder sister, she's been naive and "innocent" for lack of a better word which made her annoying to me. Her life on Naxos also isn't really all that interesting to me.
DQs Day 25. Have you heard of Theseus before? What do you think of his backstory, does it compare with other well-known Greek heroes like Hercules and Achilles? Do you think it fits his humble and collected demeanor in the previous chapter?
I know a little of Theseus, though not as much as I know about the other heroes you mentioned. Theseus in this book came across as super full of himself to me 😂 I did enjoy hearing his story, though. He's a good storyteller!
6. I don’t know about you, but “insta-love” stories royally annoy me. Ariadne spends a significant part of these chapters reveling in her undying and world-changing love and devotion to someone she just met. Do you think this is realistic, or just a cheap plot ploy from the author?
Typically, I also hate insta-love. But when I consider the source material... it tracks. It doesn't make a lick of sense, but it tracks. That didn't stop me from rolling my eyes so hard I gave myself a headache, though. Like, Ariadne, girl... get it together.
7. Why do you think Theseus left Ariadne on the island with no heads up whatsoever? How do you feel about her thoughts and actions, as she processes this new reality?
I have to admit, I don't remember this part of the Greek myth, so I have no idea. I'm currently leaning towards "Because he's a giant #$@hole". I feel like she's reacting exactly as a princess who betrayed her people and abandoned her home because she thought she would be safe with this man who then abandoned her would react. In other words, not very rationally, though I am proud of her for having the presence of mind to ration the supplies left to her.
8. During the "great escape", Phaedra is left behind - do you think it was by accident, or purposefully (and if so, why)? Do you think it was wise of her to return to the Palace?
Oh, Theseus most definitely did that on purpose. He was already planning on leaving Ariadne stranded on a deserted island... I'm sure that would have been much harder to do if Phaedra had tagged along. I think Phaedra could have played it off like she wasn't a part of the escape, but I'm glad there was the distraction of Daedalus' escape to help make sure no one even noticed she was gone.
9. A common theme in Greek mythology is the linear progression of Fate - from Hubris (thinking and acting as if one is a God), to Atis (blindness of one’s puny nature, leading the mortal to commit an unforgivable or insulting act), to Nemesis (the anger and revenge of the Gods), and finally Tisis (the mortal’s punishment). Where have you noticed this process so far? Where do you think Nemesis will strike next?
I dunno, maybe Hubris will come for Theseus. He certainly thinks highly of himself and I can only imagine it'll get worse after this. But Ariadne might be caught in the crossfire since she is currently hiding in a possible god's secret island getaway. What if said god comes back? I can't imagine that would go well so maybe that's where Nemesis will come into play.
DQs Day 4:15. What do you think about Dionysus' encounter with Hades, the god of the Underworld?
I actually don't remember this scene at all? And it appears most others flew by this part, too. Someone mentioned he was able to free his mother while there and while it does sound vaguely familiar, it was also utterly forgettable.
16. It seems like Ariadne loves her life in Naxos, what do you think of her relationship with Dionysus?
At the time I was satisfied with it. Not happy that he constantly kept leaving (reminded me of Angrboda and Loki!) but I accepted it. I also think we saw the relationship through Ariadne's own veil and if she was happy with it the reader would struggle to see many negatives.
17. Ariadne is horrified by the bloody rites she witnesses between Dionysus, the maenads, and the resurrected goat. In attempting to understand the maenads’ participation, she reflects: “The ritual gave fearful shape to the anger and the grief that had driven so many of them here in the first place; they screamed and danced in their blood-soaked frenzy by night so that they could live serenely in the sunlight.” Does this explanation make sense to you?
Not so much. As others mentioned, I think the author tried to make the writing a bit too flowery and I see that here.
18. Were you more drawn to Ariadne’s or Phaedra’s chapters? Why do you think the author chose to include both of their perspectives?
I didn't have a strong feeling either way to be honest. I saw myself in both characters and liked each equally, if for different reasons.
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1. Excited about the book, or just here for the points? Were you familiar with the myths behind the story before starting this book?
2. "Let me tell you a story..." I don't know about you, but I love opening lines like that. Do you have a favourite opening line? Have you ever bought a book on the strength of the opening line alone? (I have!)
3. Asterion: The early years. I bet no-one was fooled by the few paragraphs of almost sweet baby and toddler descriptions: This was always going to end with a monster in a maze of course.
But do you think it served well as a way to establish Ariadne's character?
4. What do you think of the writing so far? There's a lot of description and narration and very little dialogue, which tries in with the idea that Ariadne is telling the story to the reader. It allows for a lot more depth and detail than more dialogue-heavy storytelling does. Is that a style you enjoy, or do you prefer the faster pace of a book that is more about character interaction?