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Want to talk about the 2024 election? Possible candidates? Platforms? Predictions?
I agree, Barbara, "People get fed up - they want solutions, not sermons." And Biden has given us no solutions, just problems.
Ian, the current situation is not "out of anyone's control." Biden could do something if he would. He could promote oil production in the US instead of stifling it and going begging to the Saudis for oil. Read that again and take note. Biden could begin to reverse things tomorrow if he had the good sense to do so.
If he promotes oil production he is reversing his policy to do something about climate change, and that dooms everyone in a hundred years. If you want to save the land we have, oil prices MUST increase in real terms. But there is more. As I posted somewhere, wheat prices have gone from $450/t to about $650/t. That hurts food production. Here, anyway, manufacturing production is way down because too many people have Covid. Another reason is that raw materials and general supplies have erratic delivery. If the same happens there, there is nothing Trump could do about that.
Tulsi Gabbard seems to be keeping herself in the game, though I'm not sure on which team.https://youtube.com/shorts/mmNKeHbz9A...
Notwithstanding which side, she seems to make a valid point to me.Maybe she is aiming at the centre, and hoping a party will suddenly decide they need a centrist candidate?
Ian, do you think that increases in oil prices have nothing to do with increases in farm prices, with increases in prices for everything that is transported via trucks?
Yes, it does. But if we want to stop sea level rise, we have to do something and that means increased transport costs. The whole point is nothing is cheaper to move stuff than oil, but the price to be paid is deferred. If you think food prices are bad now, think of what they will be like when something like a third of the best farm land is lost around the world. Yes, there is much more farm land than will be lost, but the best tends to be on river flood plains
FBI stormed Mar-a-Lago with allegations that sound similar to those relating to Hillary at the time (improper handling of confidential materials): https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...
It will be interesting to see if the FBI found anything. If Trump really took off with classified stuff that should not have left the White House, the law has to be followed. But it won't look good if they find nothing.Interestingly, according to https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/10/po... Trump has invoked the 5th amendment rights regarding his and the Trump organization's financial dealings during depositions with the New York Attorney-General. Irrespective of what actually happened, immediate resort to the 5th amendment is at lest suggestive of some truth in the allegations, which would make him a target of accusations during any electoral campaign. His keen follow4rs might buy into harassment, but the middle swing voter may jot be so keen. Would that make him an overall liability?
Trump currently seems the clear favorite in a presidential race, so I guess powerful opponents would really want him derailed. However being a paranoid, doesn’t mean one isn’t followed. Those allegations may well be real.Don’t know how accurate, but our tv 📺 reported he was asked to return and did return 15 boxes of confidential materials to the White House some times ago. However, going through the returned stuff it became apparent that things were missing and now FBI extracted 12 more boxes of doc-s
Tulsi Gabbard chimed in on the raid.https://youtu.be/DmPh0eqEjLM
Personally, I wish that Trump had stood in his driveway and announced his 2024 candidacy while the FBI was ransacking his house.
Ian wrote: "It will be interesting to see if the FBI found anything. If Trump really took off with classified stuff that should not have left the White House, the law has to be followed. But it won't look good..."I have heard a lot of prominent lawyers say you always expect a trap and always invoke the 5th. You do not say anything to the police or in a courtroom except on the advice of your lawyer.
Look what happened to people like Michael Flynn. It was all "we're just having a conversation here" and he loses everything. I'm sure Trump is taking the advice of his legal team who probably told him not to offer anything. If people don't understand the presumption of innocence, go back to civics class.
Barbara, my point was not whether Trump was following a sensible legal process, and in fairness I don't understand that part of the US process because it makes no sense to have it if the accused merely says he will use the fifth and then say nothing. However, my point was not about the legal position but what will be made on the campaign. Think about all the fuss made about Trump's tax returns. As I understand it, the US is similar to here - you have a legal right to keep your tax returns confidential. If so, Trump was perfectly within his rights to keep them so, but with all the fuss made by the Dems you would think he was a secret Al Capone. I was just thinking that this New York proceedings will lead to a lot of heat and not much light if Trump is the candidate.
A sitting president who says he intends to run in 2024 sics the FBI on a possible future opponent. He says he didn't, but we know he lies. Democrats have now resorted to using government agencies to do their dirty work and destroy rivals. I no longer recognize this country I live in, and I fear what the Democrats will do next in their hunger for power. Is martial law next?
According to a comment on our radio, the search warrant had to be signed by a Federal judge. Accordingly, there must have been a case. Further, Trump admitted taking boxes of documents that were classified, but apparently Trump claims he declassified them, but the White House staff never got around to doing the paperwork. Further, Trump was the one who made the issue a felony in a law he got passed to send Hillary to jail (which never eventuated.) If Trump broke the law, and he admitted [ublicly doing something that should be illegal, then shouldn't the law take its course? Or should Trump be above the law? Which maybe he was if he declassified them for personal reasons.
The search warrant was signed by a magistrate judge, not a federal judge. A lowly judge easily manipulated by the FBI. What do you say now?
I can only go by what our radio said. This evening the TV news said he took files on classified nuclear weapons technology. If that is true, why did he need that?
Do you want the FBI to come into your home on the say of a magistrate judge who is the puppet of your future political opponent? Is it okay to have your home invaded by the FBI on the say of someone who wants to eliminate you as a political opponent? It's the principle of the thing.
Back to what I said in the previous post. Assuming it is true, Trump stated he took files with him from the White House, including some on nuclear technology. If doing that is illegal shouldn't the Justice Department do something about it? You say it was a magistrate that signed the warrant; our radio had a statement from I think, the Florida Attorney general who said it was a Federal judge. We obviously need to see who, if either of us, were right.
I would be interested in knowing the name of the radio commentator that Ian refers to. Of the ones I hear on radio and see on TV, the ones who seem to have the best grasp of the law and the best ability to clearly explain it are Gregg Jarrett, Andy McCarthy, Alan Dershowitz, Harmeet Dhillon
Sorry, I can't remember. Names tend to be given before the comment for comments taken from elsewhere, and I tend to only half listen until I find the nature of the comment.
One of the first bits which I heard about the raid was that the FBI had ransacked the former First Lady's closet. My thought upon hearing that was, "J. Edgar Hoover cast quite a shadow." He's been dead for fifty years now and g-men are still curious about women's clothing.
It worries me that the FBI can be weaponized to destroy a political opponent. The Democrats have been using devious means to destroy Trump, beginning with the Russia investigations, which came to nothing and have been proved to be false. Let's face it, they've never found anything, even after two impeachments, to prove Trump to have done wrong. This is just another fishing expedition to try to destroy him. I'd ask why? Why are they so intent on destroying him? Maybe because he didn't go along with their Washington BS and actually tried to do right by this country, put it first. What's wrong with that? Don't we all put our own interests first in our personal lives?
The FBI claim they have recovered documents with the highest security classification, even higher than "Top Secret". These are claimed to be important for national security, and Trump's mansion is nowhere near as secure as those documents require. Surely you don't want places like Iran to get hold of the US's most secret nuclear knowledge? Whether they actually found this remains to be seen, but if they did I think the raid was fully justified and Trump was putting his own interests ahead of the Nation's
If he's guilty of a crime, then he should be brought to justice.Of course, this is far from the first time that the talking heads have proclaimed victory over the evil orange man, so we shall see.
I think they should release the affidavit.I think everyone should listen to Tucker Carlson's opening monologue of last night 8/15.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhpco...
I would also add Mark Levin to my list of good lawyer commentators. Levin is an expert on Constitutional issues and had been chief of staff to Reagan's AG after holding a few other federal offices.
Yesterday, two thirds of the Republicans in Wyoming told Liz Cheney to take a hike. So of course she wants to run for President.Cheney ponders 2024 bid after losing Wyoming GOP primary
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midte...
On a hilarious note, when asked what he thought about Liz Cheney running in 2024, Ted Cruz asked if she'd be running as a Democrat.
And the nominated replacement apparently believes Trump had the election stolen from him. It appears that honest acceptance of facts is not running strong in the GOP
Personally, I find it hilarious that the daughter of Dick Cheney is complaining about people lying.
Trump meddling in NY elections, Democratic candidate for NY-10 says after endorsementhttps://www.rochesterfirst.com/state-...
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Thanks, J., for the smile provided by your Liz Cheney post :-)If Trump is proved to have done wrong, it will come out, but I'll remind you that FBI agents went into his home with backpacks, and his lawyers were not allowed to be present during the search. Why not be transparent? The broad warrant was issued by a lowly and easily manipulated Magistrate Judge, and it was issued to reclaim items for the National Archives. Just curious if you guys think this is the proper way to treat a former president. All former presidents have taken classified documents with them, and none of their homes have been searched. And don't get me started on Hillary and her deleted emails. I believe that this was a politically motivated move by an administration that wants to destroy Trump.
A redacted copy of the affidavit has been released.Mar-a-Lago Affidavit Says FBI Search of Trump Home Prompted by Prior Discovery of Top-Secret Documents
https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-...
They believed that they had to carry out a raid to seize the documents because Trump had already handed over documents to them. In short: He's cooperating; send in the troops!
The scuttlebutt in conservative circles is that they were rushing to secure documents which could have been injurious to the Dems during the election.
If he had handed them over, why were they still at Mar-a-Lago?
So, some suspect that FBI works for dems and Supreme Court for reps? Is Pentagon at least neutral at the moment?
As far as I can tell, the Pentagon is neutral at the moment, although it is partly to blame for the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan. Of course, the buck stops with the president, right? Couldn't have been done without his approval. Many people won't forget that.
California Governor Gavin Newsome has been actively attacking Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.https://youtu.be/ZJcCu0VWHQg
Guess what we recently discovered.
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Obviously not fans, and they know him personally :-) I watched clips again the other day of Newsom's visit to the White House when Biden was away in Israel. What's your take on him?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNjGE...
It looks like Chicago will be burning during the 2024 election.On the Illinois Safe-T Act
https://youtu.be/5QLHxQK3BT4
J., thanks for that video about the SAFE-T bill. I just don't understand how anyone can think the provisions here are good for the citizens -- instead, it provides safety for the criminals. When is common sense going to take precedent over illogical ideas like these?
Tulsi Gabbard announces she is leaving Democratic Party, calling it an 'elitist cabal of warmongers'https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tulsi...
I saw that. She gave a perfect description of this crazy Democratic party. And coming from an insider, it's especially meaningful. I really like her. I have hope that they won't be in power forever.
Although it's not about 2024, but for a more imminent perspective after the midterms, which are likely to increase rep standing in the Congress: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10... , still wanted to ask how it looks locally: whether the reps would rather sacrifice Ukraine to putler or not? What do you think?
I know it sounds cold, but I don't think most people in the States are thinking about Ukraine. When most people vote, they care more about domestic issues than foreign policy. Inflation/gas prices/the weak economy are influencing the votes this year. Democrats have been trying to use Ukraine to distract from the economy. They've been trying to pump up the repeal of Roe v Wade to distract from the economy. They've been crying about racism. They've been crying about the Right being a "threat to democracy." But the more they avoid the economic issues, the more they alienate voters.As far as the Ukraine aid, I'll be honest. A lot of Americans are look at the billions and billions of dollars going to Ukraine to fund a war we're not involved in, and they're wondering why that money isn't being used to fix problems here at home. And we're wondering how much our taxes are going to go up to pay for that while we're watching our purchasing power disappear because of rising gas prices, rising food prices, rising rent or mortgage rates, etc.
J. wrote: "Tulsi Gabbard seems to be keeping herself in the game, though I'm not sure on which team.https://youtube.com/shorts/mmNKeHbz9A..."
I suspect she is going to get involved with the talking head game.
Scout wrote: "Thanks, J., for the smile provided by your Liz Cheney post :-)If Trump is proved to have done wrong, it will come out, but I'll remind you that FBI agents went into his home with backpacks, and h..."
I am willing to bet after the election, much of this goes away. Trump is fading as a force. However, Hunter Biden is going to be a problem for a while. I also expect to see a few new Congressional committees looking into a few interesting subjects. I would not be surprised if the Republicans run their own version of Jan 6.
BTW, the subpoena for Trump goes nowhere. It is a Hail Mary that will not work.
Scout wrote: "As far as I can tell, the Pentagon is neutral at the moment, although it is partly to blame for the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan. Of course, the buck stops with the president, right? Couldn'..."It is a talking point, but I think much of the effect is already gone.
J.J. wrote: "I know it sounds cold, but I don't think most people in the States are thinking about Ukraine. When most people vote, they care more about domestic issues than foreign policy. Inflation/gas prices/..."You're selling Democratic bootstrapping short.
https://youtu.be/UpwAN8n2wLk
That's right, the way to fight inflation is abortion!
J. wrote: "J.J. wrote: "I know it sounds cold, but I don't think most people in the States are thinking about Ukraine. When most people vote, they care more about domestic issues than foreign policy. Inflatio..."My prediction is the abortion will become bigger later, but not this election. This is going to be about economics and crime. Democrats lose on both big.
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In my opinion, the best move for the Dems is to nominate a different candidate NOW, and give him/her the public opportunity to gain traction. But whoever gets in in 2024 will have a nasty economic problem because the right wing idea of cutting taxes won't work with the amount of public debt that will be inherited.