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I must shamefully admit that I won't vote. I couldn't muster the enthusiasm to read enough of the packet to put an informed vote - even with the longer period.
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Novelette:
1. "The Pill" by Meg Elison
2. “Helicopter Story”, Isabel Fal
3. "Two Truths and a Lie", Sarah Pinsker
4. “The Inaccessibility of Heaven”, Aliette de Bodard
5. “Burn, or the Episodic Life of Sam Wells as a Super”, A.T. Greenblatt
6. No Award
7. “Monster”, Naomi Kritzer
Short Story:
1. “Metal Like Blood in the Dark”, T. Kingfisher
2. “The Mermaid Astronaut”, Yoon Ha Lee
3. “A Guide for Working Breeds”, Vina Jie-Min Prasad
4. "Little Free Library", Naomi Kritzer
5. “Open House on Haunted Hill”, John Wiswell
6. No Award
7. “Badass Moms in the Zombie Apocalypse”, Rae Carson
Yeah! I just submitted my ballot a couple days ago!Best Novel
1. Harrow the Ninth
2. Piranesi
3. The City We Became
4. Black Sun
5. Network Effect
6. Relentless Moon
Best Novella
(I didn't love any of these and feel super neutral, especially about my top three.)
1. Empress of Salt and Fortune
2. Ring Shout
3. Come Tumbling Down
4. Upright Women Wanted
5. Finna
6. Riot Baby
Best Novelette
1. The Pill
2. Two Truths and a Lie
3. Burn
4. The Inaccessibility of Heaven
5. Helicopter Story
6. Monster
Best Short Story
1. A Guide for Working Breeds
2. Open House on Haunted Hill
3. Metal Like Blood in the Dark
4. The Mermaid Astronaut
5. Little Free Library
6. Badass Moms in the Zombie Apocapypse
Best Series
1. The Poppy War
2. Murderbot Diaries
3. The Interdependency
4. Daevabad
5.
6.
Related Work
1. FIYAHCon
2. CoNZealand Fringe
3. George R. R. Martin Can F....
4. The Last Bronycon: a Fandom Autopsy
5. A Handful of Earth, A Handful...
6. Beowulf
Best Graphic Story
(This is my husband's ranking as he is more a graphic novel fan than me and I didn't finish reading this category.)
1. Die
2. Parable of the Sower
3. Monstress
4. Invisible Kingdom
No Award
5. Once and Future: King is Undead
6. Ghost Spider
Best Dramatic Presentation, Long Form
1. Palm Springs
2. Birds of Prey
No Award
3.
4.
5.
6.
Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
1. The Good Place
2. She-Ra
3. The Expanse
4. Dr. Who
5.
6.
Best Professional Artist
1. Maurizio Manzieri
2. Galen Dara
3. Tommy Arnold
4. John Picacio
5. Alyssa Winans
6. Rovina Cai
Best Fancast
(secret....because booktube/goodreads friends are nominated, but of the podcasts, I was most impressed with Coode Street and World Building for Masochists)
Best Fan Artist
1. Laya Rose
2. Sara Felix
3. Cyan Daly
4. Grace P. Fong
5. Iain J. Clark
6. Maya Hahto
Best Video Game
1. Hades
2. Spiritfarer
3. Animal Crossing
4.
5.
6.
Astounding Award
1. Micaiah Johnson
2. Simon Jimenez
3. Emily Tesh
4. Jenn Lyons
5. Lindsay Ellis
6.
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Haven't you read shorter works with us a few months back? And I guess you've read at least some novels - so vote for these, you don't have to fill everything. Also check artwork in the package and it takes just minutes and you can choose some.
I highly recommend to vote, at least to use your right to show what you deem the best
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Best Novel
Piranesi, Susanna Clarke (Bloomsbury)
Network Effect, Martha Wells (Tor.com)
Black Sun, Rebecca Roanhorse (Gallery / Saga Press)
The Relentless Moon, Mary Robinette Kowal (Tor Books)
Harrow the Ninth, Tamsyn Muir (Tor.com)
The City We Became, N.K. Jemisin (Orbit)
Best Novella
Ring Shout, P. Djèlí Clark (Tor.com)
The Empress of Salt and Fortune, Nghi Vo (Tor.com)
Riot Baby, Tochi Onyebuchi (Tor.com)
Best Novelette
“Helicopter Story”, Isabel Fall (Clarkesworld, January 2020)
“The Pill”, Meg Elison (from Big Girl (PM Press))
“Two Truths and a Lie”, Sarah Pinsker (Tor.com)
“Burn, or the Episodic Life of Sam Wells as a Super”, A.T. Greenblatt (Uncanny Magazine, May/June 2020)
“Monster”, Naomi Kritzer (Clarkesworld, January 2020)
“The Inaccessibility of Heaven”, Aliette de Bodard (Uncanny Magazine, July/August 2020)
Best Short Story
“Open House on Haunted Hill”, John Wiswell (Diabolical Plots – 2020, ed. David Steffen)
“The Mermaid Astronaut”, Yoon Ha Lee (Beneath Ceaseless Skies, February 2020)
“Metal Like Blood in the Dark”, T. Kingfisher (Uncanny Magazine, September/October 2020)
“A Guide for Working Breeds”, Vina Jie-Min Prasad (Made to Order: Robots and Revolution, ed. Jonathan Strahan (Solaris))
“Little Free Library”, Naomi Kritzer (Tor.com)
“Badass Moms in the Zombie Apocalypse”, Rae Carson (Uncanny Magazine, January/February 2020)
Best Series
The Murderbot Diaries, Martha Wells (Tor.com)
The Poppy War, R.F. Kuang (Harper Voyager)
The Interdependency, John Scalzi (Tor Books)
The Lady Astronaut Universe, Mary Robinette Kowal (Tor Books/Audible/Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction)
Best Related Work
A Handful of Earth, A Handful of Sky: The World of Octavia E. Butler, Lynell George (Angel City Press)
Beowulf: A New Translation, Maria Dahvana Headley (FSG)
No Award
Best Editor, Short Form
Neil Clarke
Jonathan Strahan
Sheila Williams
What is this "no award" Antti and Oleksandr used? Can I signal that I don't see some of the choices award worthy? That's my problem this year. Piranesi, yes, but the rest just isn't something I would like to vote for (okay, Relentless Moon, too).
So if I understand correctly, you can put no award if you feel that there aren’t any good nominations in the category. You can just leave spots blank too. Like, I only thought Palm Springs and Birds of Prey were award worthy in the long form category. So I only voted for those two.
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Exactly that; IIRC you can vote "no award" at any point to vote that you'd rather have no work win this category than to give the award to any lower-ranked works.
Mod
Yes. The famous usage of No Award choice is 2015, when Puppies with their slates had a not of nominated works, see results here: http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-his...
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Best Novel
1. Harrow the Ninth
2. Piranesi - probably
3. Network Effect
4. The City We Became
5. Black Sun
No Award
6. The Relentless Moon
Best Novella
1. Empress of Salt and Fortune
2. Riot Baby
3. Come Tumbling Down
4. Ring Shout
No Award
5. Upright Women Wanted
6. Finna
Best Novelette
1. Helicopter Story
2. Two Truths and a Lie
3. The Pill
4. Burn
5?? The Inaccessibility of Heaven
No Award
6. Monster
Best Short Story
1. A Guide for Working Breeds
2. Metal Like Blood in the Dark
3. Badass Moms in the Zombie Apocalypse
4. Open House on Haunted Hill
5. The Mermaid Astronaut
6. Little Free Library
Best Series
1. The Murderbot Diaries
Best Related Work
1. A Handful of Earth, A Handful...
2. Beowulf
3. The Last Bronycon: a Fandom Autopsy
No Award
4. FIYAHCon
5. CoNZealand Fringe
6. George R. R. Martin Can F....
Best Graphic Story
1. Monstress, vol. 5
2. DIE, vol. 2
3. Parable of the Sower
4. Once and Future: King is Undead
5. Invisible Kingdom
6. Ghost Spider
Best Dramatic Presentation, Long Form
1. Palm Springs
2. Birds of Prey
3. The Old Guard
No Award
4. Eurovision
5. Tenet (this was a truly awful film.)
Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
1. The Good Place: Whenever You're Ready
2. The Expanse: Gaugamela
3. The Mandalorian: The Jedi
4. The Mandalorian: The Rescue
Best Fancast
1. The Coode Street Podcast
Best Video Game
1. Hades
Astounding Award for Best New Writer
1. Emily Tesh
2. Lindsay Ellis
(I wish I'd been able to read the others)
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Typically, from what I understand you are encouraged to leave categories or nominees off your ballot if you didn't have a chance to read/watch/engage them. They basically don't get a vote from you, but it is not a signal that you didn't consider something award-worthy. In order to do that, you have to rank No Award in the relevant category.
For example, in Dramatic Presentation (Long) I didn't watch Soul so I'm leaving it off my ballot. But I did watch Tenet, it was hot garbage, so I am ranking "No Award" above it. Also, I didn't watch Eurovision but I disagree with its inclusion on the ballot so I'm no-awarding that too.
Kalin wrote: "Kristenelle wrote: "So if I understand correctly, you can put no award if you feel that there aren’t any good nominations in the category. You can just leave spots blank too. Like, I only thought P..."Ah, ok. Thanks for explaining that. I didn't understand. I'll edit my ballot/post with the appropriate "no award"s.
I didn't care for Tenet either, but I've heard it improves after watching it multiple times....which I think is the sign of a bad movie. I guess there is good and bad to that. Like, I love Donnie Darko and definitely wanted to watch it repeatedly to try to understand it better, but Tenet was no fun at all. I have absolutely no desire to ever see it again and I don't have faith that there is anything substantial to actually figure out. There are fans though.
Kalin wrote: "I haven't submitted my ballot yet -- I've just started reading Piranesi and I hope to read Inaccessibility of Heaven, but I don't have hope to get through any more unreads from the ballot before th..."The Vanished Birds and The Space Between Worlds are both excellent as audiobooks...if that would you help you get through them! And I think those are the two best in that category.
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yep, exactly, ditto! I will never watch it again -- if only for the reason that the sound mixing was the worst of any big budget movie I've ever seen, it was literally unintelligible, and this was apparently a conscious choice of Nolan's? Ugggggh. No award!
Yes as I understand it no award is to help indicate that whatever is below it you hate/think is pure garbage and would vote against it But I’ve been too lazy to bother trying to vote this year
So is it a vote against? Do you need to list all the things that you don’t think are award worthy? Or is it better/the same to just leave them off the ballot?
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Like Kalin said: if you didn't read it, don't include it; but if you thought it was sh*t, DO include it below No Award.
Mod
When you assign works to your vote, you rank them, 1st, 2nd, etc. If you think that a work don't deserve to be on the list you don't include it, and may (not must) add No Award. If you set No Award e.g. 2nd and then any work 3rd, your vote for the 3rd work still counts
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Best Novel: "Piranesi"
Series: Murderbot
No other opinions
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Kind of but not exactly. Your vote does count in determining the Prospective Winner, but after that they still apply the No Award test.
From the Hugo voting rules:
"The final check before a winner can be determined is known as the No Award Test. The valid ballots are divided into three piles: those in which No Award is ranked higher than the prospective winner (PW), those in which the prospective winner is ranked higher than No Award, and those in which neither No Award nor the prospective winner have preferences listed. Note that a ballot that contains a preference for the prospective winner but does not contain a preference for No Award goes into the “prospective winner higher than no award” pile. This is because lack of preference is, by definition, lower than any preference. Having got the three piles, the votes in the “prospective winner higher than No Award pile” and the votes in the “No Award higher than prospective winner” pile are counted. If the number of votes with the prospective winner placed higher is greater then the result is confirmed. If the pile with No Award placed higher is greater then no award is given in the category that year."
So if you include No Award on your ballot, you have to ask yourself if all the works you listed below it are equally bad. If yes, you can simply leave them off your ballot. If you think they are all bad but some are worse than others, you can rank them below NA, in which case you have voted against the lowest-ranked nominee as strongly as possible.
Well, this sounds kinda mean, so I'm not sure I will do (as always it's my conscience against gut feeling). Otherwise I would go with Piranesi, perhaps The Relentless Moon and then no award. I don't think the rest is crap, but no award material.ETA: but perhaps I'll do it in the novella category, cause there I definitely thought Finna and Upright Girl Wanted were crap.
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