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What are we reading? 26th July 2021
Hushpuppy wrote: "you might like these two Frankenstein-related tweets, which I caught via Cardellina's twitter account:"Ha, that's very funny - the misapplication with regard to this book continues! (The true monster is Frankenstein, but the monster isn't called Frankenstein... as I know you know).
The term "doublons" is interesting - we call them "Dublette", which I learnt from my sister, the librarian - French-sounding, but incorrect, then.
Ha, for me it was Poland and vodka, too! And only ever almost-drunk, as you say.
The thing is, many of the wild parties (including puking... sigh) took place in 'my' (small) house, which had been my grandmother's and which I was left to occupy after my siblings had left (I missed them lots, so had to throw parties!). My mother lived right next to this house and the two houses are connected by a balcony, but enough space to go a bit wild. I never felt I could go off the rails under the circumstances, and that feeling has not changed even under different circumstances... I do like having fun, though!
Mr B, who is now only drunk every couple of years, would take drinking to and over his limit in his youth.
Here's my almost Gallon Drunk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon_...) story, set in Poland and featuring vodka:
We, that is my still-closest friend and I, were doing a study tour with a socialist youth club (!) and had been spending the day in Auschwitz-Birkenau. Another good friend decided we all needed a drink and brought me a harmless-looking coke & vodka, or rather, vodka and coke. My legs were jelly, but the embarrassing part is that I would tell everyone of our party, all the time, how much I liked them, and I would cuddle my closest friend quite persistently. She says she felt like a teddy bear with me clinging to her... ah well, it could be worse. The story still amuses her, though. And she got me to the youth hostel safely, despite jelly-legs.
I encountered the pressure to drink in Britain as well, but I think I was given up for a bad job (teehee), and really, nobody should mind as long as you buy your turn of the rounds. Hope they will give up on you, too!
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Thanks, glad, it was a good good-bye, as far as possible, though he died much too young (he had hereditary Alzheimer, don't need to tell you how bad this is). His widow and the children proved very strong these last years and yesterday. I think they will be o.k. as far as that is possible. And there are people who will do their all to make sure of that, too.
For me, it is a strange, lovely time for reconnections just now. In front of the chapel, I met a former very good friend who I had lost touch with, she ran to me and embraced me (I should say we all got tested tested before the ceremony), and we re-clicked immediately and helped make the experience bearable to each other. Our mutual friend would have loved that. I am grateful for this gift.
I learnt about his death shortly before I left for my longer stay back home (one reason why I felt a bit overwhelmed by it all beforehand).
The rediscovered friend and I have been messaging photos from our twenties and thirties and, not least, of our friend today. (Which is why I am remiss with my replies to "moving books" posts.) He absolutely threw himself into life and was a very joyful person, maybe because he knew his father's disease might get him, too.
I am so glad to have these memories. It's how he wanted to be remembered.
For Frankenstein fans: Offered for your consideration: Mikhail Bulgakov's The Heart of a Dog (several translations, including, amazingly, a late Soviet one). The Frankenstein story, with a mad scientist who makes time to attend Aida, and a strong Russian accent.
Machenbach wrote: "No reading today, but I have been flicking through the few photobooks that I've picked up over the last few months. The most recent of these - and most appropriate to this forum - is [book:Voyagers..."those sound interesting, my photobooks so far in 2021 were Koudelka's majestic "Gypsies" and Lange's "Words and Pictures"
Regarding illustrations/ comic books: When I first opened Lost Girls by Alan Moore and Melinda Gebbbie (illustrated by Melinda Gebbie), which I had bought unseen, I was taken aback by the aesthetics. I had expected something along the lines of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Vol. 1 (that one I'd still recommend to anyone interested in 19th-century novels and popular culture!), and this was very different. I think the illustrations and different styles work in the context of the book, but, being too finicky, probably, I would not say it looks great. Lljones wrote: "In my college and post-college days I moved something like 57 times. I had already acquired more books than a person without a permanent address should have. And my bookshelves were made of planks and concrete blocks! My poor friends...
...some of whom will be helping me with the next move. I have no idea how many books (or what sort of boxes) are in Storage Unit A, but the one's I've acquired in recent years, including my brother's, are packed in sturdy, small banker's boxes with built-in handles. And the bricks are long gone. Hopefully I won't send anyone to the hospital on moving day!."
Ha, thanks for this! I think that's unbeatable. Your friends seem well up to it - can't be too bad, then! As long as you know not to pack banana boxes full of books... which I take you do! (This is in memory of various "ouch" moves.) This reminds me that I used to have a shelf loosely constructed of birch wood planks and white/ grey bricks. Loved that one, but it was impractical as regards storage, as too low. Now, one of my favourite shelves solves the permanent problem of turning various ways in reading book titles printed in the British as opposed to the other (Continental?) way round... Same direction like this book stack:
https://cleanmama.com/wp-content/uplo...
Fuzzywuzz wrote: "I had a 'cull' of other books, some of which I had agonised over giving away and later regretted. However, the transit van Mr Fuzzywuzz and I hired to move our stuff (very little furniture) was full, so in hindsight it was good I had a clearout beforehand.
I bought some of the books (again) that I regretted giving away."
Sounds like a good solution, all in all! I think we are almost all hoarders here... Mr B, of course, would be the great exception, ha. (But he is not here.)
Robert wrote: "I gave some 20 years accumulation of books to the San Francisco Friends of the Library when I moved up here. There were a surprising number of boxes, even after I sold a few books. I've had to move several times since, and the pile isn't too big... which reminds me, I'd planned to go to the library...."
That is impressive! And probably a good way to handle it. Our local library is a bit small; now I have to commute to work again more often, I might as well make use, once more, of the excellent library in the city I work in.
AB wrote: "I guess e-readers don't have that issue but i just don't like the e-reader idea and never have.... "
Neither do I, AB. I can see why it makes sense, but I still prefer the haptics of reading books. Late in the evening, I often switch to reading etexts on my phone (with filtered light) so as not to disturb Mr B's sleep, but I can't say I like it.
scarletnoir wrote: "I moved 17 times in 17 years, which I considered a bit of an ordeal"
Phew, that's a lot. I think I may have moved 17 times in 32 years (too tired for a recount just now) - I used to move on average once a year, too, for quite a number of years, but I did not own so very many books then.
Not counting some flats which I rented during working weeks when I worked too far away from here to make it back home every night... those were definitely not the days!
Machenbach wrote: "I also browsed through Alys Tomlinson's latest - a series of portraits of young Londoners who'd missed their proms (since when do we have proms?) because of the pandemic. Some of these were in The Guardian recently. I've been following Tomlinson's career for a while now and she's a very fine portraitist. It reminded me a little of Judith Joy Ross's Portraits of the Hazleton Public Schools, which I also took the opportunity to browse through again."Hazleton, Pennsylvania is not too far from where I grew up. One could probably compile a Diane Arbus-like portfolio from photographing the locals, but it doesn't look like that's what Ross was after.
As far as proms in London, even on this side of the Atlantic, as far back as I can remember, I've heard about "The Last Night of the Proms".
@Mach - wrt your comments at 347...When reading (or other wise engrossed, but especially when reading) I become deaf to all intents and purposes... this, of course, irritates my wife, who finds herself obliged to repeat her questions or instructions too often for her liking! I wonder if anyone else 'out there' enters the alternate state in the same way...
As for photography... there is an excellent annual exhibition held outdoors in the village of La Gacilly, Brittany, with large blown-up photos displayed on the walls of buildings, and even in a thicket of trees. Usually, there is a theme and works by a number of different artists:
https://uk.france.fr/en/happening-now...
It's highly recommended, though I don't know if it's been paused due to COVID.
At this festival one year, we were entranced by the works of Franco Fontana, whose landscapes and cityscapes resemble abstract art rather than any realist tradition:https://www.google.com/search?q=franc...
Machenbach wrote: "No reading today, but I have been flicking through the few photobooks that I've picked up over the last few months. The most recent of these - and most appropriate to this forum - is Voyagers, a compilation (by Melissa Catanese) of vernacular photography from the collection of Peter J. Cohen which concentrates solely on pictures of people (mostly women) in the act of reading. The best of them capture the subject unawares in that strange existence of there-but-not-there that we all know. Very few of them are as good as those taken by the great André Kertész in On Reading, and none of them are as funny as Robert Frank's pictures in Robert Frank: Zero Mostel Reads a Book, but some of them are very good and they take on a collective power that forces the viewer to reacquaint themselves with the sheer strangeness of the reading state."[...]Wonderful post, thanks! So much to discover.
Regarding paintings, here's, once more, the lovely blog on reading and art found by nosuchzone last year:
https://readingandart.blogspot.com/
And here the Gwen Johns which were of interest when we disussed the subject on TL&S:
https://readingandart.blogspot.com/20...
We will be visiting friends for a special occasion today, spending, all in all, about six hours on busy motorways (not my favourite pastime, https://discussion.theguardian.com/co...), so I am not only taking Before the Feast, but also other enforcements to keep me distracted during the drive. There is a stack which I still need to reduce a bit:
(a mystery novel), a new Harz travel guide, and a study of the ideological uses, since the early 20th century, of an impressive medieval sculpture, https://www.naumburger-dom.de/wp-cont... (that would be Uta) in Naumburger Dom/ Naumburg Cathedral, https://www.naumburger-dom.de/en/, which is worth repeated visits. The book is called Uta von Naumburg : eine deutsche Ikone (A German icon)Have a good, well-tempered day, or at least enough cooling devices, everyone.
Mary Renault's The King Must Die is being broadcast at 3pm today on Radio 4. There is also an article about her writing in today's Sunday Telegraph.
scarletnoir wrote: "MK wrote: "I'm jealous as I haven't figured out a way to see this - Write Around the World with Richard E Granthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09p...
Of course it may be old news to you 'stif..."
Opera browser has a free VPN. Don't know if you could get it through that.
Mach @347You may be interested to know that the photo that I used for my Shadows poem yesterday on Photos is taken from one of my daughter’s solar prints. I don’t know the technique involved. The print hangs on my wall - it is in palish browns but I photographed it and converted to b/w to get the shadow effect.
I remembered that you liked her abstract of the world with time flying on TL&S
https://postimg.cc/QFCDnH6q
My next classic novel, now i have finished the excellent Middleton novel is a Palestinian classic from 1970Jabra Ibrahim Jabra is a Palestinian christian author who wrote a number of brilliant novels from the 1950s to the late 1970s, usually set outside Palestine and dealing with the inevitable situation of exile.
The Ship (1970)
has been on my pile for a while, a Lynne Renier edition and i am looking foward to starting it.For anyone interested in classic Palestinian fiction, i have three other authors to recommend:
Ghassan Khanafani can be seen as the enfant terrible of the trio, assassinated by the Israelis in the 1970s, he wrote sharp, bitter short stories, i recommend Men In The Sun.
Emile Habiby like Jabra was a christian palestinian, his Saaed the Pessoptimist is worth a read
Lastly there is Sahar Kalifeh, a female palestinian writer, still living and writing, i recommend Wild Thorns from 1976
Machenbach wrote: "No reading today, but I have been flicking through the few photobooks that I've picked up over the last few months. The most recent of these - and most appropriate to this forum - is [book:Voyagers..."It was at least a decade ago when an English member of my film society told me that a younger relative was attending a high school prom-- in England. "We have proms now."
Invented words....Middletons otherwise excellent prose was a little cheapened by his usage of the term "birofied"...in reference to postcard writing old folk on the promenadeanyone else have a favourite invented word from a novel they read?
AB76 wrote: "anyone else have a favourite invented word from a novel they read?"Dogmerd and derivatives. Anthony Burgess used this in all the novels I read from him.
Machenbach wrote: "AB76 wrote: "anyone else have a favourite invented word from a novel they read?"scrotumtightening"
More graphic example than Alex Ferguson's "squeaky bum time?"
Machenbach wrote: "CCCubbon wrote: "You may be interested to know that the photo that I used for my Shadows poem yesterday on Photos is taken from one of my daughter’s solar prints. I don’t know the technique involve..."I know that she takes a photo and then does something to the negative in a reverse way. She prints in several colour ways. There are several that depictCambridge scenes that are in the main gallery as prints or cards - sell to the tourists!. The sell out and she is always printing more
This is my favourite which I have as a print and use as wallpaper on my laptop, taken somewhere in central Cambridge.
https://postimg.cc/TL0qTKW0
CCCubbon wrote: "You may be interested to know that the photo that I used for my Shadows poem yesterday on Photos is taken from one of my daughter’s solar prints."Ah, when I saw that yesterday, I was wondering if it was one of your daughter's. I like it very much!
Shelflife_wasBooklooker wrote: "I do like having fun, though!"Oh, no need to convince me! I don't think that there is any correlation between having fun and getting drunk. In fact, I have a friend who's a teetotaller, and she's got more energy at parties than all of the ones who drink combined, and always the last one up (perhaps not surprising, ah!). As you say, as long as you buy the rounds, and have fun, that shouldn't be a problem, but it seems some feel uncomfortable for some reasons with people not drinking (much). Says more about them than us!
I am so sorry to hear of the reasons your friend has died. Dementia is so tragic in itself, but when it comes to younger people, it can be incomprehensible. The hereditary component makes its own stamp on how people choose to live their lives too, of course. He'd enjoy the idea of bringing you guys together again, after all this time.
My favourite made up word? Tucholsky's "denkeln".
"Denken" (thinking) is often a focussed process, starting with a question/problem, ending, ideally, with an answer/solution.
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"Denkeln" is, by its nature, completely different. It is what you do while weeding, or doing the dishes, or the ironing... It starts with a random thought, that leads to another, that leads to another...
"Denken" is what you do to cover some ground.
"Denkeln" is dangling your legs, going nowhere and enjoying it.
In today's NY Times For thousands of years cultures around the world have “implicitly understood that the sober, rational, calculating individual mind is a barrier to social trust,” Edward Slingerland writes in Drunk: How We Sipped, Danced, and Stumbled Our Way to Civilization, an effervescent new study that’s equal parts anthropology, psychology and evolutionary biology. Drawing on recent experiments, Neolithic burials, eclectic myths and global literature, Slingerland teases out the evolutionary advantages and enduring benefits of getting blitzed. It’s a rowdy banquet of a book in which the ancient Roman historian Tacitus, Lord Byron, Timothy Leary, George Washington, the Chinese poet Tao Yuanming and many others toast the merits of drowning Apollonian reason in Dionysian abandon. We visit wine-soaked temple orgies in ancient Egypt, the chicha-brewing capital of the Inca Empire, Fijian villages, Irish pubs and the official “whiskey room” at a Google campus, knocking back bits of evidence from Burning Man and “Beowulf” along the way.
some great made up words guys and gals!i think scrotumtightening wins as it made me wince!
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It would be equally unlike me to keep schtum about my love for her cat drawings, as I'm sure I mentioned the last time we talked about her.
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Interesting article, MK - ta!
Am searching for some interesting Revolutionary American texts 1770s-1790s, does anyone have anything to recommend?I have read Federalist Papers and am 3/4 of the way through Jeffersons "Notes on Virginia".
On order is the LOA compilation of the pamphlet debate and i have Franklins autobiog on my list, plus maybe John Adams writings from LOA.
Whats annoying is how expensive the LOA books are, though i managed to order one second hand for about £12, rather than £30!
Shelflife_wasBooklooker wrote: "Regarding illustrations/ comic books: When I first opened Lost Girls by Alan Moore and Melinda Gebbbie (illustrated by Melinda Gebbie), which I had bought unseen, ..."I haven't read Lost Girls - the premise and Gebbie's style of art don't attract me - but the best review of it I've seen came from the Canada Border Services Agency (Canada Customs), as quoted by publisher Top Shelf:
In a thoughtful letter from the agency, dated 27 October 2006, the CBSA stated that the "depictions and descriptions are integral to the development of an intricate, imaginative, and artfully rendered storyline," and that "the portrayal of sex is necessary to a wider artistic and literary purpose." They concluded with "Its importation into Canada is therefore allowed."
If I ever do decide to give it a try, it'll be mostly because I've found Moore's stuff to be pretty consistently worth a look, but this bureaucratic assessment by Canadian border control authorities will probably have played a small part too.
Bill wrote: "In today's NY Times For thousands of years cultures around the world have “implicitly understood that the sober, rational, calculating individual mind is a barrier to social trust,” Edward Slinger..."
I like the sounds of the content but something about the tone of the quote turns me off - it sounds like an extended paid-for publisher's blurb, or something, not an impartial description or brief review.
found this at the excellent local Oxfam last summer and starting it tonight...
AB76 wrote: "found this at the excellent local Oxfam last summer and starting it tonight..."
You'd be much too young to have seen Hancock in his prime - I remember his shows with affection, but it's hard to say how well they'd stand up now. This classic scene from 'The Blood Donor' still makes me smile, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74rXl...
Shelflife_wasBooklooker wrote: "There is a stack which I still need to reduce a bit: Intrigue à Giverny by Adrien Goetz (a mystery novel)"Let us know if that's any good - I see it starts with a scene in the Marmottan, which was our favourite gallery during the 'Paris years'... we also visited the lovely garden and house at Giverny. Sounds like just the sort of thing to keep my hand in at reading in French.
Berkley wrote: "I like the sounds of the content but something about the tone of the quote turns me off - it sounds like an extended paid-for publisher's blurb, or something, not an impartial description or brief review."The review is more persuasive if you read it after a few drinks.
Bill wrote: "The review is more persuasive if you read it after a few drinks. "I'll try out your theory and report back later.
AB76 wrote: "Am searching for some interesting Revolutionary American texts 1770s-1790s, does anyone have anything to recommend?I have read Federalist Papers and am 3/4 of the way through Jeffersons "Notes on..."
This may not be quite what you want, but . . . The Cabinet: George Washington and the Creation of an American Institution. I liked it.
Also the author's website is - https://www.lindsaychervinsky.com/
In case anyone here likes author talks, here's a link for several - Rachel Hore, Peter May, Elly Griffiths (2), Elizabeth Haynes.https://www.jarrold.co.uk/departments...
giveusaclue wrote: "Machenbach wrote: "AB76 wrote: "anyone else have a favourite invented word from a novel they read?"scrotumtightening"
More graphic example than Alex Ferguson's "squeaky bum time?""
"Fuggedaboutit."
scarletnoir wrote: "AB76 wrote: "found this at the excellent local Oxfam last summer and starting it tonight..."
You'd be much too young to have seen Hancock in ..."
"A pint? That's very nearly an armful!"
Definitely not too young to remember!
giveusaclue wrote: "scarletnoir wrote: "AB76 wrote: "found this at the excellent local Oxfam last summer and starting it tonight..."
You'd be much too young to h..."
I actually watched quite a few episodes as repeats in the 80s as my family were Hancock fans, i think my mother and uncle mostly. Having read the script for "Economy Drive", the first in this collection, i was laughing along with the excellent pacing and use of physical humour(via stage directions)
I'm glad that you have been able to view some of the episodes... I'm not sure how well the scripts read, but Hancock's wonderfully pompous delivery added another dimension!
Bill wrote: "Since I first posted about it, I’ve become addicted to the Marlon and Jake Read Dead People podcast. I’ve now listed to all but one episode (the first, since I’ve been going newest to oldest)."I too have become addicted to that podcast and have been binge-listening with great pleasure. The funny thing is that some of the books and characters overlap, like for instance several of their pet peeves - Mr Darcy and Heathcliff. It's all great fun!
Slawkenbergius wrote: "I too have become addicted to that podcast and have been binge-listening with great pleasure."I've now listened to all the available episodes and fear that I am about to suffer the first negative effect: unless some other book manages to intervene, I think I'm about to read the first volume of C. S. Lewis' Space Trilogy. Jake's description made it sound kind of interesting.
scarletnoir wrote: "I'm glad that you have been able to view some of the episodes... I'm not sure how well the scripts read, but Hancock's wonderfully pompous delivery added another dimension!"one thing i find with almost all the 1950s and early 1960s writing is that it reads very well indeed, the standards are high and it almost feels like a bygone era of great british fiction, non-fiction and screenplays/theatre
As for Tony Hancock,he seemed a natural to me, even as a kid with the expressions, the delivery etc.... it shocked me he was only 44 when he died( suicide), a year younger than me , i thought he was in his 60s
Just commented on the Guardian article on Franke Goes To Hollywood made "Relax"It reminds me of school runs with it blasting out , i loved it and had no idea of what it meant aged 7-8ish. Later in sixth form i was transported back to 1983-84 when the coolest guy in the upper sixth had a cd collection which included the Pleasuredome album, amazingly i hadnt listened to the track for maybe 6 years then!
Check out this piano only version...awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACSSr...
Slawkenbergius wrote: "characters overlap, like for instance several of their pet peeves - Mr Darcy and Heathcliff."I'm sorry wot, come again? What kind of overlap is there between the two, except they were both the fruit of the imagination of women from the first half of the 19th century? Kind of intrigued now!
AB76 wrote: "My next classic novel, now i have finished the excellent Middleton novel is a Palestinian classic from 1970Jabra Ibrahim Jabra is a Palestinian christian author who wrote a number of brilliant no..."
Thanks for the recommendations, AB; I've had my eye on a couple of them for a while!
Have you read In Search of Walid Masoud by Jabra Ibrahim Jabra? It looks quite tempting. I first heard about that one, as well as the other two you mentioned, from Banipal magazine's list of 100 best Arabic novels, which considerably expanded by 'to read' list.
Hushpuppy wrote: "Slawkenbergius wrote: "characters overlap, like for instance several of their pet peeves - Mr Darcy and Heathcliff."I'm sorry wot, come again? What kind of overlap is there between the two, excep..."
Sorry, I didn't explain well; ... overlap from episode to episode. I mean, they frequently come up in different discussions, and Marlon and Jake do it as if they hadn't mentioned them before. Kind of recurring topics but without the acknowledgement of previously having tackled them.
Anyway, you should definitely listen to the podcast.
Hushpuppy wrote: "What kind of overlap is there between the two, except they were both the fruit of the imagination of women from the first half of the 19th century?"Both were played on film by Laurence Olivier.
Bill wrote: "Hushpuppy wrote: "What kind of overlap is there between the two, except they were both the fruit of the imagination of women from the first half of the 19th century?"Both were played on film by Laurence Olivier."
Oh yes, that's true, only discovered this recently! I haven't seen a proper cast for Heathcliff so far tbh.
@Flinty - ah, that makes more sense, thanks! I don't listen to podcasts, but I'd be tempted on this occasion if it weren't for the fact that I can't work while listening to words atm, as I'm writing up (I can if I have to do something mindless).
AlbyBeliever wrote: "AB76 wrote: "My next classic novel, now i have finished the excellent Middleton novel is a Palestinian classic from 1970Jabra Ibrahim Jabra is a Palestinian christian author who wrote a number of..."
Banipal is a good magazine and Al-Jadid too for arab lit and no, i havent read that novel, i have it on the pile in hardback but chose to read The Ship instead
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I'm really sorry to hear of the passing of your friend bl. Seems like he had some good friends, and a good wife too.
What took quite a while when we first moved in together was the finding of the doublettes (? don't know if this term is correct - books we both owned, anyway) and the, mostly enjoyable, debates about which copy to keep... however, potential for conflict, too!
In French, that'd be "doublons". There was actually an article yesterday (a collection of readers' reactions really) about what people lost in break-ups. "I still have (...), quite by accident, the “wrong” copy of a book that we both owned." The strange severing of intertwined lives...
On the other hand, I suspect scarletnoir might be right about the "not drunk enough" part!"
Ah, I'm in the same category as yours ("almost drunk once")! I've never been really drunk in my life, I just don't see the appeal at all and for me drinking is just for pleasure. But I've never been put under more peer pressure (that has pretty much zero effect on me, for which I'm thankful) than in England, including by my boss. I like being tipsy, but that's a very different matter... The worst I've been was perhaps 14 or 15 years ago, when a Polish colleague here in the UK invited us over for different stews he'd made over days. This was accompanied by vodka tasting with 4 or 5 different kinds. They were frankly all excellent. But walking back home was a challenge, and I had to focus an awful lot to walk straight. Arrived safely at home in the early hours of the morning, I cognitively relaxed, and right in front of one of my housemates (now husband), entirely missed the wide opening to the kitchen, but not its door frame. He's, to this day, the only one who saw me vaguely drunk!
And to finish, you might like these two Frankenstein-related tweets, which I caught via Cardellina's twitter account: https://twitter.com/inkbitspixels/sta... and (view spoiler)[https://twitter.com/PavloShopin/statu... (hide spoiler)].