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Group Reads archive > Initial Impressions: Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry-June/July 2021

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Laura | 2856 comments Mod
Comments on this board should be written with the assumption that not all readers have finished the book. Please avoid revealing any spoilers.


Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments I had this on hold with Overdrive a couple of years back. I waited until I was number 1 in the queue and then the library decided not to renew the license and I gave up. Not surprising, it has been renewed and there is a long wait list. Most surprising, our library system only has one hard copy in all of about 9 branches county wide but numerous copies of the other books in the series.
Go figure. Maybe patrons don't want to hold a 900 page book?
I will purchase an e-copy for my Kindle.


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I had the same library problem as you Catherine, so just broke down and bought the trade paperback from Amazon. It is a hefty book, but I decided to get one to keep. I read this a looong time ago, right after the mini-series aired on TV, so remember very little. I'm excited to get started too.
Remember when a TV mini-series was a big event?


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments I’ve had my copy waiting for the right time and I’m excited to start! I can’t imagine a library having only one copy! Wow!


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Ron Yates | 13 comments If we were to compile a short list of books worthy of the title "The Great American Novel," this one should surely be on it. An emotionally rich, sweeping saga with characters that jump off the page. It's also hilarious! Don't let its heft deter you; it's a lively read.


B. R. Reed (mtmoon) | 135 comments Ron wrote: "If we were to compile a short list of books worthy of the title "The Great American Novel," this one should surely be on it. An emotionally rich, sweeping saga with characters that jump off the pag..."
Ron, Agree with you 100%.


Franky | 416 comments I have a copy of this one and would love to get to it, but need to finish a few other reads and am reading another tome right now, David Copperfield, so I'll be tardy. I've been interested in Lonesome Dove since seeing bits of the film.


Harold Norman | 23 comments I read this long ago, still have it on the shelf. I'll read it again this coming month. It's a classic.


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Lawyer (goodreadscommm_sullivan) | 2668 comments Mod
I'm ready for Lonesome Dove. On Kindle with Audible. I may have bitten off more than I can chew. Now reading Comanche Moon. I've already read Dead Man's Walk.


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Good news Franky we will be on this book for all of june &July. I’m going into this with no experience of movie or book. I’m looking forward to it.


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I'm finishing up a couple of things today, and hope to start tomorrow. Well see how that goes. I found a trade paperback copy of Comanche Moon at a library book sale on Friday. But that will have to wait.


Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments Wow Laura, a virgin dove!
I've watched the series 2 perhaps 3 times and am curious to see how it holds up as I loved the film. I read the book when it first came out but recall being unimpressed with its too many pages and when I saw the miniseries recalled none of it. I preferred fluffier stuff in those days I guess. Starting this week.


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Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments Since this is so long, is it okay to comment here as we go along if we preface with how far along we are and use spoiler format? Or should we stick to the final thoughts thread?


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That should be fine Catherine, using the spoiler format. If we wait til we are finished with the whole book, we may forget some of the details. I saw this series when it first came out, and loved it so much I read the book afterward. So this time I'll reverse course and rewatch the series after I finish the book. One thing I am happy about though is being able to put the faces of Robert Duval and Tommy Lee Jones in my mental picture of Gus McRae and Woodrow Call. That was some perfect casting!
Read one chapter this morning and chuckled all the way through.


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Lawyer (goodreadscommm_sullivan) | 2668 comments Mod
Diane wrote: "I'm finishing up a couple of things today, and hope to start tomorrow. Well see how that goes. I found a trade paperback copy of Comanche Moon at a library book sale on Friday. But that will have t..."

I'm 30% through Comanche Moon. This is a fast read. I belive I will finish Comanche Moon AND Lonesome Dove. Comanche Moon provides much humor as I believe Lonesome Dove does.


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I finished up some library books and read my June book club selection early so I could devote the entire month to Lonesome Dove. It is a pure delight so far. I am making notes of Augustus' insults to use them myself should the need arise.


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments I am very surprised by the humor - not really expecting it - but it's really great so far. The writing is just so easy and quickly paced and we're learning everything about the characters in these first 4 chapters. I'm loving the interaction among these men and how completely different Call and Gus are. It is definitely a fun read so far and am chuckling along with you Diane!


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Sue | 760 comments I have the kindle copy which will please my arms and hands, though possibly not my thumbs. I am reading a bunch of things right now so I know I won’t be speeding through this. I’ve neither read the book nor seen the tv production so this will all be new to me.


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Yes Sue, your arms and hands will thank you for reading it on the Kindle. I am not finding it a fast read at all, but am enjoying the meandering pace of the first part of the book. But I think that meandering is getting ready to ramp up.


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I’m with you Sue. I haven’t started yet. I have the hefty paperback and audio. I don’t want to start audio until I can get a feel for book. I hope to start soon. Good news we have 2 months. So the movie is a miniseries like the Thorn Birds?


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Yes Laura. Back in the day when a mini-series was a "major television event." Roots, Thorn Birds and Lonesome Dove were all hugely popular and people canceled appointments to stay home and watch them. There is a snake scene in the film version that will have you reeling. Can't remember whether it's in the book or not.


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Sara (phantomswife) | 1493 comments I am feeling an odd sense of envy for you, Sue, that you are coming to this fresh. Sometimes what I long for most is to read some of my favorite books again, for the first time.

Laura, when you have finished the book, please go see the miniseries. It is beautifully done, and you will never want to have any other mental image than these characters, as cast.


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Sara
I have books like that. Envious of those who read for first time. I will take your suggestion on mini series. I think I have a college friend who named his daughter after a character. Does “Clara” mean anything?


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Sara (phantomswife) | 1493 comments Ah, yes, Clara means everything!


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Ooh, I’m excited!


Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments 🥕s and radishes were not in the movie 😂


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Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments At least I don't recall that they were and one would think you might remember that.
I'm taking this one slowly unless it gets to the page turning point.
This is the 4th tome in a row I've tackled and I fear getting weary. I may never read a 700+ page book again. Not enough time.


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments I laughed at that vernacular as well Catherine! Have you gotten to the Mexican strawberries yet?


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments I guess there had to be a Lorena in Lonesome Dove. I've read up through Ch 10. (view spoiler)


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Not just a whore Lori, a young, beautiful whore, and the only available woman in a dirty, depressing town.


Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments Lori wrote: "I laughed at that vernacular as well Catherine! Have you gotten to the Mexican strawberries yet?"

Just for you Lori 🍓

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Xft...


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments That’s fantastic Catherine! Thanks!


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"All these cattle and nine-tenths of the horses is stolen, and yet we was once respected lawmen. If we get to Montana, we'll have to go into politics. You'll wind up governor if the dern place ever gets to be a state. And you'll spend all your times passing laws against cattle thieves."
Now that is funny!


Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments I also noted that passage Diane.

This is proving to be quite the page turner. I have completed Part 1. Throughout Part 1 it is notable how simply these people lived, so few possessions and needs, and then how bored some of them must have been in a town like Lonesome Dove.

The exchanges between Gus & Call are just priceless:

(view spoiler)

Men & women here do not highly regard the opposite sex:

(view spoiler)

Simple wisdom:

(view spoiler)

So many funny lines:

(view spoiler)


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I love those pigs!
You are right about men and women, there is very little romanticism between them. For men it's sex or someone to cook, for women it's survival. Even Gus, who was more intelligent and feeling than most, viewed it all as a game.
I am into part two now, and the action ramps up and things get a lot more serious. Chapter 37 has to be one of the funniest scenes in literature. McMurty was a genius at pacing and interweaving the bad and the sad with the humorous.


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments The pigs are the best! I love the quote too, Diane . Just read that part. I’ve been asking myself all along how it is that Call and Gus are living the lifestyle they fought against as rangers? The irony!!!


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As you would know Lori, everything's different in Texas!


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments One thing that surprised me was that Gus was not a native Texan! But I guess that's a relative term at this time - 1870's. He was born in Tennessee. I, myself, am not a native in that term being born in Kentucky, but consider myself a mix of my two states! I do have one son born here in San Antonio.

Here's a quote from an article about native Texans in Gus's era that I found interesting:

In the early days of Anglo Texas, becoming a Texan took only a few months. Actual native Texans were a minority in the state until 1880. The number of those born on Texas soil continued to increase faster than the number of outsiders moving in until 1940, when more than three fourths of the population were natives. With World War II the dominance of natives began to decline, but never was the decline so dramatic as during the boom of the seventies and early eighties. In ten years the state’s population increased by three million people. Most of the newcomers moved here from nearby states and other parts of the South that we identified with, but there seemed to be an unusual number from “up there”: the North. Not all of those outsiders came willingly, and some of them—difficult as this is to believe—didn’t like it here.

Link to the article from Texas Monthly:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-cult...


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments Catherine, I love the quotes! Gus and Call have a unique relationship and quite different personalities. Call is definitely a hard working kind of guy who isn't really interested in pleasurable things. On the other hand, Gus is all about pleasure and avoiding pain and hard work.

There's a ton of great quotes to site.

Part two is definitely ramping up and we're introduced to new characters from Ft. Smith. Oh, Elmira (I'm hearing that old country song Elvira in my head 😂) you are a woman pushing away all that's good in your life.


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I was surprised that Gus was from Tennessee too. He just seems like such a happy go lucky drifter, but then you get these signals that he is someone to be counted on when the chips are down. He's very much respected by all the men, including Call, and he's so intuitive about what others are feeling. You just know all these characters are going to come together at some point.


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AAAnnnddd....come together they did! I had to force myself to put this book down this afternoon. I love these characters, even the animals. The Hell Bitch, the ugly bull, the pigs, Mouse.


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments Aaah!! Yes!! I am slowly making my way and wish the interruptions would go away and let me be!
You were so right about how easily McMurtry can entwine the sad and bad with the funny!

His female characters are independent aren’t they? None I’ve met so far want to be taken care of by a man. They are interested in a man for what they can get from them. But Lorena and Elmira both have been used and abused by men so.....not surprised they’d be that way.


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments Well, after reading Ch 45, I have a different view of Lorena. I still think she's independent because she wants to get to San Francisco but she knows or else believes she can't do that without the help of a man which is why she latches onto Jake. Now (view spoiler)


Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments The pages turn easily and despite the fact I know where all this leads, I remain very interested in in keeping them turning. That said, reading this is like driving through Texas. Hours go by and you feel you've made little headway, though not as noticeable with an e-reader.
I chuckled when Gus and Lorena were talking about her getting to San Francisco and she said she was never going to make it out of Texas and Gus tried to convince her she practically was because they were halfway. Halfway in Texas is not almost there, lol.

There are sentences throughout that drop hints about what is to come, small foreshadowing phrases. Nothing one would notice if you haven't seen the film, which so far seems to be very true to the book.

Fun fact: My dad was from El Paso. He told us a relative was a Texas Ranger back in the day. Of course I had no idea what a ranger was so it meant nothing to me but he seemed proud of the fact.


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments Oh Rangers are definitely held in high esteem here. What stories your relative must have told!

Catherine, you've described the driving through Texas experience perfectly. It can be mind numbing to travel for what seems like days and it's only hours and it looks the same! And an excellent analogy for reading this chunk of a book! I'm half way through the book so that should be almost done, right? Ha! Hardly! But it seems this part is going rather quickly.


Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments Lori, my husband went with me to Houston one time for the International Quilt Festival and decided to visit the space center while I was otherwise engaged. This was before GPS. He took the rental car thinking how hard could it be to find. He passed up his turnoff and I recall him saying he had to go what seemed like a hundred miles before he could turn around but he eventually made it.


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I've never been further west than New Orleans, but a friend who moved here from Denver told me how it always amazed her to get to the next town over in just 10 or 15 minutes. Out west it would take much longer to get from one city to the next. The sheer magnitude is hard for me to imagine.
Speaking of independent women, have you gotten to Janey yet Lori? Now there was was one independent gal!
My husband watches a show called "Lone Star Law", about game wardens in Texas. It's a reality show, and those guys can be pretty tough, but I expect a Texas Ranger is a different breed.


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments Not to Janey yet but I thought you were talking about Louisa from ch 37- most hilarious chapter yet! She was pretty independent and dominant! Roscoe escaped that one for sure. He’s turning out to be quite the bumbling idiot! Cant wait to read what else will befall him. The little girl may be his savior!!


Lori  Keeton | 791 comments Ch 51- first coming together of all these different characters! I loved the line “The unusual thing about the man was that he was reading a book.”
I guess one wouldn’t expect to see a reading cowboy!! 🤠


Cathrine ☯️  | 1185 comments Louisa was something else!
I’m up to Ch 46.


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