bipoc vs poc vs non-white

[Sofia]

Do you think the terms BIPOC and POC are good or racist?

[Sofia]

I don't normally say much about this because there really isn't another word for non-white that's.... less racist, so I don't know what this would change.
But anyway.
I don't think we should be using the terms BIPOC and POC anymore, because why for the love of god are people grouping Black people with indigenous people with Asians and Hispanics, etc??? Their cultures are COMPLETELY different. I think non-white is actually a better term, because that way you're not saying they're all the same, you're saying they're not white. (You as in a general term, not a specific person.) /g

[Sofia]

I personally get a bit offended when people refer to me offhandedly as POC or BIPOC, because my culture is NOT the same as Black culture. It's NOT the same as Hispanic culture. et cetera, et cetera. And I hate being put into generalized boxes. I think people mean well when they use these terms, but honestly, I think they shouldn't be used anymore. I've probably used POC a few times before I really started to think about its meaning, but I try to avoid using it now. /g

[Michelle, The Book Critic]

a lot of ppl have said that saying poc is racist because it means "people of color" and white ppl would/should be included in that.

idk whether to agree with them because the ppl who've said that to me were white, you know?

either way, i agree. saying non-white is better, tho i wouldn't mind if ppl called me a poc :)

[Sofia]

bookish wrote: "a lot of ppl have said that saying poc is racist because it means "people of color" and white ppl would/should be included in that.

idk whether to agree with them because the ppl who've said that ..."

Wow. I don't understand their point. If they were included in POC, it would just mean... the entire human race. /g

[Michelle, The Book Critic]

Sofia wrote: "bookish wrote: "a lot of ppl have said that saying poc is racist because it means "people of color" and white ppl would/should be included in that.

idk whether to agree with them because the ppl w..."

yeah, i literally don't understand what they mean by that. if anyone knows about segregation in the US, they would understand that the word "color" has always been used for black ppl.

[Anushka]

Maybe we should just say white, black, Asian, Hispanic, etc. I don't agree with the non-white because it makes it seem like white is the normal.

[Sofia]

Anushka wrote: "Maybe we should just say white, black, Asian, Hispanic, etc. I don't agree with the non-white because it makes it seem like white is the normal."

Yesss that makes sense /g

[Jayna]

i honestly think it depends on the conversation you're having. while it is true that every single race and ethnicity is very different, there's also the fact that all races other than white are disadvantaged because of white people and so when you have a conversation about how white people are disadvantaging people of color you need a term for that... so POC is not a culture but even within cultures there are cultures but we still need terms to say "this is who i'm talking about". i'd say POC is a good term when talking about racism in certain aspects (but not culture) Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents

[Sofia]

Hmm that's a very interesting point!

[Lilly S]

That's what I was thinking. When referring to racism, I can't list off every every single race there is because unfortunately white people are assholes to everyone who's not white, their race doesn't make a huge change in that /gen

[Sofia]

@Lillyyy Yeah, now that I think about it, you're right.

[Lilly S]

I can see that. Apologies, that's not how I meant it, sorry if it came off that way

[Sofia]

Poet♡ (semi-hiatus) wrote: "@Lilly, I see your point, and agree with most of it. Some white people really are jerks. White people benefit from a really unfair system that has hurt others for as long as anyone can remember. Bu..."

I don't mean to speak for her, but I believe she meant that racist white people are assholes to everyone, not all white people. But yeah, it could be taken that way.

[Lilly S]

yeah that was the intention :)

[Maple]

Lillyyy (⌐■_■) wrote: "That's what I was thinking. When referring to racism, I can't list off every every single race there is because unfortunately white people are assholes to everyone who's not white, their race doesn..."

Yeah! You make a good point.
I think it pretty much depends on the context, sometimes you can use BIPOC, and sometimes you can name an individual race.

[[deleted user]]

bruh "racism" and "racist" dont have any meaning anymore
its been all thrown around again and again

and plus why do labels matter? say, if you're an american and you have extra alligiancies to the chinese r something, you arent really a good citizen.

poc and bipoc are stupid terms that need to be disgarded and tehy only exist to divide the population on race.

seriously, just call yourself something fully like "i am an american, no exceptions." be loyal to your country.

[Jayna]

JasmynWasFlowers wrote: "I'm going to weigh in on this, but just to be fully transparent, I am white, so take this with a grain of salt.

I personally don't get why we have to refer to different races as different things a..."

well here's the thing-- people of color experience oppression, so it's important to recognize that which is why there are labels to differentiate races. yes, in a perfect world race should not be a factor in anything, but since it very obviously is, we need to understand that and acknowledge it in order to move forward and end racism.

[Jayna]

Jayna wrote: "JasmynWasFlowers wrote: "I'm going to weigh in on this, but just to be fully transparent, I am white, so take this with a grain of salt.

I personally don't get why we have to refer to different ra..."

(and that's also why there can be single labels to describe all people that are not white)
idk if that makes sense but yeah

[Nash (all too unwell)]

Amogus1914 wrote: "bruh "racism" and "racist" dont have any meaning anymore
its been all thrown around again and again

and plus why do labels matter? say, if you're an american and you have extra alligiancies to the..."

please make sure to do more research before u give ur opinion
ethnicity and citizenship are two different terms

[Lily]

Lillyyy wrote: "That's what I was thinking. When referring to racism, I can't list off every every single race there is because unfortunately white people are assholes to everyone who's not white, their race doesn..."

oh my, it's another Lily! You just have two l's in your name and I only have one. But we both added the extra y's! That's such a crazy coincidence! 😂😂

[ash]

Jayna wrote: "i honestly think it depends on the conversation you're having. while it is true that every single race and ethnicity is very different, there's also the fact that all races other than white are dis..."

agreed :)