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Ahhh I'm so jealous Zuzana! I totally love the planning I just am not the best strategist.I'm trying just for the hydra right now and then I'm gonna try working on more of my puppy and the second puppy and all that. And now there are spells! So much to do
To use the gems, do we just need the shield? Or do we need ALL the gems first?
All the gems and the shield to use the shield was what I was told way back, Rebecca. But they don't have to be activated too. Only to use their special powers. Ahh that explains why I missed it, zuzanna. I have never been to the original rpg thread (I don't think) and also not the rp one. lol. I wonder if I missed any other sweet deals like minor poison!
Welcome, welcome! Like everyone said we are all friendly and willing to help. :D
Morgan wrote: "All the gems and the shield to use the shield was what I was told way back, Rebecca. But they don't have to be activated too. Only to use their special powers. Ahh that explains why I missed it, ..."
I missed that too until I was looking through someone's attack and realized it!
Ugh it's killing me to use all my potion tokens on heal potions, but I gotta do it for these crazy hydras. Wish the potion tokens had a value and I could get a "buy one get one" deal on the cheaper potions haha.
(don't mind my SUPER greediness)
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Ahh that explains wh..."
Ysamy! Hire her out!
Catherine wrote: "RebeccaS wrote: "Morgan wrote: "All the gems and the shield to use the shield was what I was told way back, Rebecca. But they don't have to be activated too. Only to use their special powers. Ahh..."
For sure!! I am trying to get all my Hydras slain while I have her hired for the week. She will deserve a nice vacation after I'm done!
Can you stack 2 pet plus potions?Also confused about the rock. Does it heal 1 HP after every ROUND or every BATTLE?
People seem to be using it both ways and I want to make sure I understand correctly.
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Also confused about the rock. Does it heal 1 HP after every ROUND or every BATTLE?
People seem to be using it both ways and I want to make sure I understand corr..."
You can't stack potions.
Rock is at the end of the battle. But does have the defensive ability - is that what you are seeing?
Catherine wrote: "RebeccaS wrote: "Can you stack 2 pet plus potions?Also confused about the rock. Does it heal 1 HP after every ROUND or every BATTLE?
People seem to be using it both ways and I want to make sure ..."
No it was after every monster attack. That's why I was confused. I was just doing it at the end of the battle so I'll keep it that way.
Nope! Bad skim on my part. I see you can stack damage potion and weapon enhanced potion since they have different names.
LVL 2 Rocky heals 1 HP at the end of the battle, and deducts 1 AP from the enemy's attack power.Don't forget that Rocky is a pet so when combined with Pet Plus Potion you get +2HP after the battle and - 2AP to monster's attack power.
Rocky combined with a shield potion: (Monster's AP - Rocky) / 2 = the result rounds down
Totally forgot about the shield potion!!! Gaha this may change my plans!
Speaking about the rock, how does the -2Ap (with pet plus) work with a multi attack, such as The Queens?Do I have this right?
Queen of Hearts - 10-2 attack 125 HP
Queen of Spades - 15-2 attack 100 HP
Queen of Clubs - 20-2 attack 75 HP
Queen of Diamonds - 5-2 attack 150 HP
TOTAL ATTACK: 42
Use shield potion: 42/2 = 21 attack total?
OR
does shield potion go first:
Queen of Hearts - 10/2 = 5-2 attack 125 HP
Queen of Spades - 15/2 -2 = 5 attack 100 HP
Queen of Clubs - 20/2 -2 = 8 attack 75 HP
Queen of Diamonds - 5/2 -2 = 0 attack 150 HP
Welcome Victoria! It is a lot to take in, but so much fun once you get into it!(Most of this works well with Wobble too)
Yay, welcome to the fun Victoria :DI was wondering about the same for the Queens so glad you asked that Rebecca!
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Do I have this right?
Queen of Hearts - 10-2 attack 125 HP
Queen of Spades - 15-2 attack 10..."
I did it like:
Queens attack, hero uses shield potion, hero= 30-(20+15+10+5)/2-2 = 7HP
Rebecca, I wrote it in my post above (Monster's AP - 2 Rocky) and then you divide by 2. Calculate every queen separately, as you kill them their cumulative attack power decreases.So it's:
QH: (10-2)/2= 4
QS: (15-2)/2= 6 (because you can round down)
QC: (20-2)/2= 9
QD: (5-2)/2= 1 (round down)
all 4 queens (Rocky, PPP, shield potion)= 20
all 4 queens (Rocky, PPP)= 42
Note, that the minor poison potion works only on the queen you poisoned (but you can poison more than 1 queen - in this case it's not stacking).
That's the best case scenario!! Yay thank you for answering all my questions today everyone!Planning a mondo attack that will probably take me a year to get to, but I made a sweet spreadsheet and I'm so excited!!
****Even better news!! For Queens I will actually heal almost to FULL STRENGTH by the end of the battle, because if I save QD to last, she is only hitting me 1 and with Ysmay I am getting 5 HP each time. WOooo
Catherine wrote: "I did it like:Queens attack, hero uses shield potion, hero= 30-(20+15+10+5)/2-2 = 7HP "
Catherine, you unnecesarily lost some HP there. And the funny thing is that it was you who asked Kelly about Rocky and the Queens:
Posts 4293 & 4295
Catherine: How does Rocky the Rock's defence ability work with the Queens? Does it blunt one off each of the queen's attacks or just one off one of their attacks? i.e. does it end up as -4 or -1?
not that I am at all close to being able to do anything other than hide in terror as the Queens rampage around the kingdom!
Kelly: One off each :) Same with swarm.
RebeccaS wrote: "I'm usually good with numbers but this strategizing is difficult."I literally make an Excel table for every big monster. It does sums automatically and has columns for me to enter -2 hp for MPP or +5 hp for Ysmay, etc. Lifesaver! :)
Nice planning for your Hydras! I took them out in 2s and 3s. :)
RebeccaS wrote: "I made a sweet spreadsheet"Hehee, guess I should've finished reading before responding. :)
Re: using tokens for heal potions... scrounging seems "cheaper" to me, at least for the little potions. I'm planning to fight Rare Binding, and I need a bunch of minor potions (to keep its attack low). I shall be scrounging a lot!
RebeccaS wrote: "Morgan wrote: "All the gems and the shield to use the shield was what I was told way back, Rebecca. But they don't have to be activated too. Only to use their special powers. Ahh that explains wh..."
Sweet, sweet poison. Mmmm. DeLIGHTful. Ly Evil.
I like them so much better now that I understand them. haha.
Kelly, Please, I'm still waiting for definitive answers for the following Two questions:1.
When using the Zest spell, do we treat it like a minor poison potion, -- it's good for the entire battle against say, Zombie #3.
OR
Do we need a wisp and minor heal potion for every strike? So if it takes 5 zest strikes to kill Zombie #3, we need 5 wisps and 5 minor heal potions instead of just one for the initial strike?
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2. If I develop the arrow with 10 books, it hits with 20. Does employing the Red gem double that to 40 (20 + 20)
Reva, re your 2nd question - with your staff lvl 17 - it doesn't make sense to double the arrow - your staff with orb + bauble + 2 modifier + damage and wep if used (pets are excluded) doubled will always be more than 40.And Morgan found an answer by Kelly for your 1st one above.
Victoria wrote: "Hey everyone! I just joined. I have no idea what I'm doing, but I'm willing to try and stubble through it the best I can."Hi Victoria :)
Reva wrote: "1. When using the Zest spell, do we treat it like a minor poison potion, -- it's good for the entire battle against say, Zombie #3.
OR
Do we need a wisp and minor heal potion for every strike? So if it takes 5 zest strikes to kill Zombie #3, we need 5 wisps and 5 minor heal potions instead of just one for the initial strike?
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2. If I develop the arrow with 10 books, it hits with 20. Does employing the Red gem double that to 40 (20 + 20) ."
Sorry, trying to catch up.
Zest is a single use cure, though you can also use white gem to cure once. So it's a balancing act if you want to switch between spells and normal attacks. Also please note, spells will be getting stronger. I'm not really expecting anyone to take out the top zombies with the current level of life magic. Though you guys do manage to surprise me sometimes.
And yes, I'm fine with the arrow being doubled to 40.
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone! I've been trying to follow the current discussions, but am completely lost. I'm sure I'll pick up things as I go and I'm glad you all are so willing to answer questions.
Kelly, could you please answer my question from earlier: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Thanks.
Victoria wrote: "Thanks for the warm welcome everyone! I've been trying to follow the current discussions, but am completely lost. I'm sure I'll pick up things as I go and I'm glad you all are so willing to answer ..."Don't worry too much about the crazy advanced stuff :) Start small.
Zuzana wrote: "Kelly, could you please answer my question from earlier: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Thanks."
I'll give you damage potion working on spells. Everything else you stated looks correct.
I was planning to add the arrow with my initial attack -- not used by itself. 17 +2 + 2 MPP + 2 horse + 4 pup + 4 cat + 1 Bauble + 3 Damage + 3 Orb + 3 Enhanced +1 Growth + 20 arrow = 62
using red gem 62 x2 = 124
So with following:
• Walker Zombie (#3) - (Strong to Death, Weak to Life) This zombie starts to ratchet up the difficulty. It can catch up to you while you try to get away in the stupid car that won't start even though the gas is full and it's in working order and you really think this is just for building suspense.
60 attack 200 HP - Requires marshmallow gun
Round 1
17 +2 + 2 MPP + 2 horse + 4 pup + 4 cat + 1 Bauble + 3 Damage + 3 Orb + 3 Enhanced +1 Growth + 20 arrow = 62 - 200 = 138
using red gem
17 +2 + 2 MPP + 1 Bauble + 3 Damage + 3 Orb + 3 Enhanced +1 Growth + 20 arrow = 42 - 138 = 96
Use Shield potion
Zombie attack 60 -2 rock -1 shield = 57/2 = 29 -36 = 7 HP
Using Lady Ysmay 5 + 7 = 12 HP
Round 2
cast Zest 1 wisp + 1 minor heal potion cures zombiecrom
+ 4 minor heal potions 20 + 12 = 32 HP
Zest attack 10 x 2 = 20 - 96 = 76 HP
Use Shield potion
Zombie attack 60 -2 rock -1 shield = 57/2 = 29 -32 = 3 HP
Using Lady Ysmay 5 + 3 = 8 HP
Round 3
cast Zest 1 wisp + 1 minor heal potion cures zombiecrom
+ 5 minor heal potions 25 + 8 = 33 HP
Zest attack 10 x 2 = 20 - 76 = 56 HP
Use Shield potion
Zombie attack 60 -2 rock -1 shield = 57/2 = 29 -33 = 4 HP
Using Lady Ysmay 5 + 4 = 9 HP
Round 4
cast Zest 1 wisp + 1 minor heal potion cures zombiecrom
+ 5 minor heal potions 25 + 9 = 34 HP
Zest attack 10 x 2 = 20 - 56 = 36 HP
Use Shield potion
Zombie attack 60 -2 rock -1 shield = 57/2 = 29 -34 = 5 HP
Using Lady Ysmay 5 + 5 = 10 HP
Round 5
cast Zest 1 wisp + 1 minor heal potion cures zombiecrom
+ 5 minor heal potions 25 + 10 = 35 HP
Zest attack 10 x 2 = 20 - 36 = 16 HP
Use Shield potion
Zombie attack 60 -2 rock -1 shield = 57/2 = 29 -35 = 6 HP
Using Lady Ysmay 5 + 6 = 11 HP
Round 6
cast Zest 1 wisp + 1 minor heal potion cures zombiecrom
Zest attack 10 x 2 = 20 - 16 = Walker Zombie Dead
Is this how it's supposed to work?
Huh, I thought the arrow counted as the attack for the round.
Well, you have to ask Kelly if it can be used alongside a weapon (staff or sword). Which I guess is a real possibility. I would argue that the arrow should be treated the same as the Spock's Plasma weapon and Death's whatever. ;) So yay for you to think of that. That's why I like this thread so much. Two heads are better than one. But I really don't think you can double the arrow when you're already doubling the staff.
"Activates the red gem in the shield - allows you to double your attack power for one turn once a calendar month. (Includes weapon enhancements, does not include pets attack, only includes one strike during the turn so either slingshot or sword or staff may be doubled.)"
I would have said that you're good but Kelly included slingshot and that's a clear indication that you have to choose only one weapon.
BTW re your battle example: you can't double pet's attack. It's explicitly in the red gem description, see above. I also think that MPP isn't doubled - it's not a weapon thing - you poison a monster not your blade - it's been discussed before.I believe it should be like this:
17 +2 + 2 MPP + 2 horse + 4 pup + 4 cat + 1 Bauble + 3 Damage + 3 Orb + 3 Enhanced +1 Growth = 42 (your basic attack)
red gem: 17 +2 + 1 Bauble + 3 Damage + 3 Orb + 3 Enhanced +1 Growth = 30
Your first round attack power = Magic stuff + red gem + arrow = 42+30 + 20= 92 AP
On the other hand you calculated your Zest attacks wrong to your disadvantage:
It should be: Zest 10 x 2(modifier) + 2 horse + 4 dog + 2 MPP + 3 damage = 31 AP
Corrected above and took out the pets for the red gem strike. It adds another round.I'm optimistic that arrow could be used as part of attack. One can only hope.
Otherwise it's not much use vs staff
What if you tried using the red gem in a later round - if you use Growing strength Potion in the first round but not use the weapon its modifier should still rise according to the round you're in (see description). + the bauble counts too.Every turn increases the attack power of both weapons by 1. (First Turn +1, Second Turn +2, Third Turn +3). Lasts for a single battle.
It should boost your attack a bit.
EDIT: It would probably mess with your healing. :( Unless you use it to finish the zombie off.
I still don't think that you got the red gem right. I think that the arrow and minor poison don't double. But Kelly should be the judge of that.
Zuzana wrote: "What if you tried using the red gem in a later round - if you use Growing strength Potion in the first round but not use the weapon its modifier should still rise according to the round you're in (..."I would think that the bauble and growing strength would need to be present in each round in order to increase.
But it doesn't say so in their description.
Reva, you still haven't added + 2 horse + 4 dog + 2 MPP + 3 damage to your Zest spell, that should reduce your rounds!
Zuzana wrote: "Kelly, would you accept Goldfinger for "a metal in the title" and/or "gold in the title"?"Yes, that's fine.
Anyone have a book with a weapon in the title? it is the last book I need for my level two combat and I have nothing in my tbr that fits...I'm also looking for a book where someone eats a delicious meal.
offering 3 gold each, or both for 7 gold or a potion token as advertised in the open market thread...
Unless... Kelly, would you accept "Mace" as a weapon even if it is referring to a person rather than the weapon in the title:Shadowing Mace
Teresa wrote: "Unless... Kelly, would you accept "Mace" as a weapon even if it is referring to a person rather than the weapon in the title:Shadowing Mace"
You could try to find Keeping Promise Rock. Rock is a weapon. :)
Teresa wrote: "Unless... Kelly, would you accept "Mace" as a weapon even if it is referring to a person rather than the weapon in the title:Shadowing Mace"
Yeah that's fine.
Ray (user2637) wrote: "Teresa wrote: "Unless... Kelly, would you accept "Mace" as a weapon even if it is referring to a person rather than the weapon in the title:Shadowing Mace"
You could try to find ..."
I've read it, and while I liked it, I couldn't go through the pain in reading it again!!! But I didn't think of a rock. I will have to check my books...
Kelly wrote: "Zuzana wrote: "Kelly, would you accept Goldfinger for "a metal in the title" and/or "gold in the title"?"Yes, that's fine."
Thanks, Kelly.
Could you please go through my conversation with Reva about her Runner Zombie Battle? There are some quite important questions about the arrow, red gem and the Growing strength Potion use.
To sum it up:
1/ What is Reva's 1st round AP going to be?
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... OR https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
2/ Can the arrow be used alongside the staff or sword? (I hope so, kinda like the slingshot or the Spock's Plasma Weapon)?
3/ If you're using Spock's Plasma weapon or the arrow (providing the answer to the 2nd question is yes) with your conventional weapon (sword or staff) and you're employing the red gem too, how does it affect the AP? Do you double combination of all the AP (pets excluded) or do you have to pick only one of the weapons to double?
4/ Does the red gem double the minor poison potion, too?
5/ How does the Growing strength potion work if you use it before your 1st round attack but then some of the rounds you're using spells? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
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Rebecca, I love the planning phase. - I had my Hydra battles all worked out 6 months prior the actual attack. Every month I adjusted the plan for new weapons, potions or other game features from the monthly update.
In the end I killed all the Gem monsters in one sweep. It was exhillarating.