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Debra Diggs .
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A heartbreaking chapter. I have been waiting forever for Little Dorrit to visit Arthur and now that she has, I am worried. This quote “funeral clang that … sounded into Arthur’s heart”. Does this mean Arthur is going to die? I hope not! Or does it mean that Arthur sees the end of love between him and Little Dorrit? I do not want that either!

It seems that Maggie understood Little Dorrit's fairytale better than I thought.

Poor young John. I hope he finds someone else to love.


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Sara (phantomswife) | 1545 comments I cried buckets, both because she came to him when he needed her so badly, and because Arthur believes it is too late. Also, John made me cry. Arthur feels it too late for him to love Amy, and John knows she will never love him.

I love your analysis, Jean. I also thought of Martha down at the river, and when reading about John, I had thoughts of Sidney Carton and his self-sacrifice. How amazing that Dickens understands every single human emotion.

Anne - I am also hopeful.


Robin P Clennam "watching out the night" reminded me of the night Amy and Maggie spent outside at their "party". Being awake at night can mean frivolity and company but being alone and friendless makes it a torment.

It's annoying that some of Dickens' characters are so self-sacrificing! Arthur is being so noble about sending Amy away when neither of them really wants that.


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Sara (phantomswife) | 1545 comments I kind of get Arthur's self-sacrifice, Robin. How does he declare his love for Amy and ask to marry her now, when he is in prison, when he failed to recognize his love for her before and never asked to marry her then. If she were still poor, I don't think he would hesitate, but it has the appearance of wanting her more because of her position, and he could not bear people thinking that.

It seems very significant to me that he cannot forbid her to come at all...he just asks her not to come often. If his fortunes reverse, she will be waiting and he will be free to ask her. Just knowing that her feelings can be returned must be heaven to Amy.


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Robin - "Clennam "watching out the night" reminded me of the night Amy and Maggie spent outside at their "party" ..."

Yes, good analogy. He certainly feels alone and friendless. Actually he is more depressed than we might have expected. Just think how many have come to cheer him up, or ask about him. They are all trying to be kind in their own ways.

Young John, despite his passive-aggressive behaviour, gives him the room he thinks Arthur would like best, and also brings him the choicest food, including something fresh and green. He tries his best to take care of Arthur. Mr. and Mrs. Plornish visit him - and Mrs. Plornish would have tried to to become a regular visitor, had Arthur allowed it. Ferdinand Barnacle arrives to offer his advice on how to view the Circumlocution office - and how to stay out of prison. Mr. Rugg visits, Mr. Pancks visits ... So many people come to visit Arthur, or at least to ask about him at the gate of the prison.

Everyone, it seems, cares about him except his mother. Her heart seems even more "flinty" than Flintwinch's! She has offered Arthur nothing but criticism, and warnings not to judge her. It seems almost inconceivable that she would not at least sent Flintwinch to find out how he is, or to offer the money to get him out of the Marshalsea. But no. Her heart is made of stone.

Is this what is depressing Arthur? Somehow I doubt it, despite his efforts to get closer to her. Like Pancks is feeling with regard to Arthur, Arthur is consumed by guilt for Daniel Doyce. And yet it is not this which we are told is in his every thought. It is something, someone, else.

Sara said, "How does he declare his love for Amy and ask to marry her now, when he is in prison, when he failed to recognize his love for her before and never asked to marry her then." and I'm sure this is right. Perhaps it is an English trait; I don't know, but it might be. It is not forthright, direct, or even as honest as other cultures pride themselves on. But it is very English: understated, and meant to be honourable and kind. In situations like this we tend to be our own worst enemy.

John Chivery too, is trying his hardest to be honourable. I've said before that like Katy, I always feel sorry for young John Chivery, who in the end was truly chiv-alrous. It occurs to me that Charles Dickens has perhaps selected another appropriate name for us there.

So now it's time to move on to the penultimate episode, and actually the final installment of Little Dorrit, because the last one was a double issue.

It was numbers 19 and 20, which comprised a double issue of 4 chapters, in June 1857.


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Book II: Chapter 30 - (first post)

This first chapter is the longest and most complex in the whole book! It takes up 2 comments here, I'm afraid. But it's the one with most of the answers :)

This chapter titled “Closing In” begins with Blandois, Mr. Baptist, and Mr. Pancks making their way to the Clennam house. Blandois is his swaggering self, and takes the lead, clanking straight up-stairs to Mrs. Clennam’s room:

“Although her unchanging black dress was in every plait precisely as of old, and her unchanging attitude was rigidly preserved,”

she seems to expect Blandois, asking him who the two men are. He tells her that they are friends of “your son the prisoner”. Mrs. Clennam is angry, and tells them to leave. Mr. Pancks tells her they are glad to go; that they had agreed to bring Blandois to the door on Arthur’s behalf, but now they are glad to get away from him. The world would be a better place without him.

Pancks says that he is the one responsible for Arthur’s being in prison, although he doesn’t understand it because his calculations for the “investment”(he does not say speculation) had been sound. He says that if Arthur had not been in prison—and sick—he would be there himself, and that if he were, he would tell Affery to tell her dreams.

In the meantime Flintwinch has recognised Mr. Baptist (Cavalletto). When he and Pancks leave, as asked, Flinwinch and Mrs. Clennam exchange a glance. Flintwinch tries to send Affery away, but surprisingly she objects:

“No, I won’t, Jeremiah—no, I won’t—no, I won’t! I won’t go! I’ll stay here. I’ll hear all I don’t know, and say all I know. I will, at last, if I die for it. I will, I will, I will, I will!”

When Flintwinch makes to threaten her, Affery tells him that if he comes any nearer to her, she will scream until she rouses the entire neighbourhood, enough to wake the dead. Mrs. Clennam tells him to leave her alone. Things are closing in anyway and she may stay. She asks Affery why she is turning against her—and how she hopes this will help Arthur.



'In a Moment Affery had Thrown Down the Stocking' - James Mahoney

Affery is confused, but still defiant. Mrs. Clennam has a hard, set face. Flintwinch is barely suppressing his fury with Affery. Blandois alone is enjoying himself, behaving with mock exaggerated gallantry. He refers to himself now as “Rigaud Blandois”. Because Mrs. Clennam and Flintwinch had not fallen in with his plans as easily as he would wish, he had decided to teach them a lesson:

“Playfully, I become as one slain and hidden”

but he had been brought back. Blandois reminds Mrs. Clennam that he had been offering to sell her something which could compromise her, for £1,000 on his first visit, but now he wants £2,000. First though he demands payment for his hotel bill, which they had promised, in case they end up “at daggers’ points”. Flintwinch counts out the money into his hand. And now we get a game of cat and mouse between Blandois and Mrs. Clennam. First she says that he might have a paper, or papers, which she would be willing to buy—although, she insists, she is not a rich woman, and her means are scanty. She tells Flintwich to say nothing, but to let Blandois speak:

“You must speak explicitly, or you may go where you will, and do what you will. It is better to be torn to pieces at a spring, than to be a mouse at the caprice of such a cat.”

Blandois begins by saying it is:

“A history of a strange marriage, and a strange mother, and a revenge, and a suppression”

and proceeds in this way, distilling little bits of information:

“There live here, let us suppose, an uncle and nephew. The uncle, a rigid old gentleman of strong force of character; the nephew, habitually timid, repressed, and under constraint.”

At this Affery bursts out, saying that it is Arthur’s father and his uncle:

“I’ve heerd in my dreams that Arthur’s father was a poor, irresolute, frightened chap, who had had everything but his orphan life scared out of him when he was young, and that he had no voice in the choice of his wife even, but his uncle chose her. There she sits!”

Blandois is pleased. This is going well. But:

“Mrs Clennam’s face had changed. There was a remarkable darkness of colour on it, and the brow was more contracted.”

Blandois continues his story, in which the newlyweds return to the house, and to Flintwinch. Soon, he says, the lady makes a discovery, and “full of anger, full of jealousy, full of vengeance, she forms—see you, madame!—a scheme of retribution” upon both her husband and another. And Affery bursts in again, inadvertently supplying a prompt which Blandois had been waiting for, as she recalls when Flintwinch said that:

“you were not—and you stopped him. He was going to say that you were not—what? I know already, but I want a little confidence from you. How, then? You are not what?’
She tried again to repress herself, but broke out vehemently, ‘Not Arthur’s mother!’“


And now Mrs. Clennam cannot bear to let Blandois tell any more of the story:

“With the set expression of her face all torn away by the explosion of her passion, and with a bursting, from every rent feature, of the smouldering fire so long pent up, she cried out: ‘I will tell it myself! I will not hear it from your lips, and with the taint of your wickedness upon it. Since it must be seen, I will have it seen by the light I stood in. Not another word. Hear me!’”

Flintwinch does not think this is a good idea, and that “you had better leave Mr Rigaud, Mr Blandois, Mr Beelzebub, to tell it in his own way.”

But Mrs. Clennam is resolved. She tells of her childhood, of “wholesome repression, punishment, and fear. The corruption of our hearts, the evil of our ways, the curse that is upon us, the terrors that surround us—these were the themes of my childhood.”

When the old uncle, Mr. Gilbert Clennam had put forward his orphaned nephew to Mrs. Clennam’s father as a suitable husband for her, she was told that her husband-to-be’s bringing-up had been, like hers, one of severe restraint, and that his uncle’s house had likewise protected him from “the contagion of the irreligious and dissolute”.

However, within a year of their marriage, Mrs. Clennam:

“found my husband … to have sinned against the Lord and outraged me by holding a guilty creature in my place”.

She knew because of how she had been brought up, that it was up to her to decide and carry out their punishment:

““Do not forget.” It spoke to me like a voice from an angry cloud. Do not forget the deadly sin, do not forget the appointed discovery, do not forget the appointed suffering.”

Mr. Clennam had sent his wife the watch with the initials D.N.F. when he was dying, but she knew that it meant something else to her. She remembers.

She had forced her husband to give up his lover, and the young woman wanted to know how she could repent. Mrs. Clennam had told her:

“You have a child; I have none. You love that child. Give him to me. He shall believe himself to be my son, and he shall be believed by every one to be my son.”

She would never see her own son any more, nor her lover, but since she had lost the means which Mr. Clennam had provided for her, Mrs. Clennam would pay for what she needed.

“She was then free to bear her load of guilt in secret, and to break her heart in secret; and through such present misery … to purchase her redemption from endless misery, if she could.”

Blandois suspects that Mrs. Clennam is justifying her actions, which were truthfully full of an “insatiable vengeance”, but she vehemently denies it. And the story has just begun.

She had brought the other woman’s child (Arthur) up in fear and trembling, because this was the way she had been taught was right, and also to absolve his parents’ sins. She and her husband lived on opposite sides of the world. The woman whose child she had taken lost her mind, the: “stings of an awakened conscience drove her mad”, and she remained that way for her whole life.

Blandois is getting impatient. He knows all this. It is time to get to the money. He tells the substance of the will of Mr. Gilbert Clennam:

“One thousand guineas to the little beauty you slowly hunted to death. One thousand guineas to the youngest daughter her patron might have at fifty, or (if he had none) brother’s youngest daughter, on her coming of age, “as the remembrance his disinterestedness may like best, of his protection of a friendless young orphan girl.” Two thousand guineas.”

He also knows that there was an addition to the will which had been added by a lady … But Mrs. Clennam wants to tell this herself. She is so agitated that she is moving her hand which had been immobile for fifteen years, and in defiance of her paralysis, almost struggling to her feet. Blandois accuses her:

“Lies, lies, lies. You know you suppressed the deed and kept the money” but she will not accept that her motive had been money. She is not like those who were imprisoned with him: “stabbers and thieves”.

But Mr. Gilbert Clennam had had a change of heart, as he lay dying.

We know that Frederick Dorrit used to teach music, and we learn now that the young woman had been one of his singing pupils. This is how Arthur’s father had first met her, in search of “those accursed snares which are called the Arts”, away from his strict and loveless marriage.

Arthur’s father knew that his wife had suppressed the addition to his uncle’s will, although, as Flintwinch reminds her, he had not agreed with doing so. Mrs. Clennam does not care. It was better to keep the papers close to her, although she had not seen any reason to bring them to light. The woman had long been dead, her husband was dead, Frederick Dorrit was ruined, and had no daughter. She had found the niece (Little Dorrit): “and what I did for her, was better for her far than the money of which she would have had no good.”

(continued in next post)


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Book II: Chapter 30 (concluding post)

Blandois continues to goad her, reminding her without mentioning names, that when “our friend the prisoner—jail-comrade of my soul” (Arthur) came home from abroad, the paper was in the house, and:

“The little singing-bird that never was fledged, was long kept in a cage by a guardian of your appointing, well enough known to our old intriguer here.”

Affery fills in more of the story, terrified though she is by Flintwinch, who is so violent that he has to be restrained by Blandois:

“The person as this man has spoken of, was Jeremiah’s own twin brother; and he was here in the dead of the night, on the night when Arthur come home, and Jeremiah with his own hands give him this paper, along with I don’t know what more, and he took it away in an iron box—Help! Murder! Save me from Jere-mi-ah!”

Blandois explains that he had met Flintwinch’s twin brother in Antwerp, where he smoked and drank himself to death:

“What does it matter how I took possession of the papers in his iron box?”

He is delighted to find he knows more than both Mrs. Clennam and Flintwinch:

“Permit me, Madame Clennam who suppresses, to present Monsieur Flintwinch who intrigues.”

Flintwinch, already furious with Affery, now uses this opportunity to give a long diatribe against Mrs. Clennam, as a most “opinionated and obstinate of women” full of “pride … all slight, and spite, and power, and unforgiveness” and yet maintaining her right to condemn and judge as a “servant and a minister” of her religion.

“That may be your religion, but it’s my gammon.”

He said he had told her how foolish it was to hang on to the papers, all these years, even when Arthur was coming home, and may find them for himself. And at last she told him where she had put them, among the old ledgers in the cellars. But she would not have them burnt on a Sunday.

This annoyed Flintwinch so much that now that he knew where the papers were, he had a look for himself, and secretly substituted another paper for one of them, before they were burnt.

Flintwinch goes on to explain about his twin brother, Ephraim, who was a keeper in a lunatic asylum. It was the same lunatic asylum where Arthur’s mother had been kept:

“she had been always writing, incessantly writing,—mostly letters of confession to you, and Prayers for forgiveness.”

Ephraim had passed the letters on to Flintwinch, who read them from time to time, and kept them locked up in a box. When Arthur was coming home from abroad, Flintwinch needed to get all the papers—both those to do with the will, and these letters—out of the house. Meanwhile, Ephraim had got into debt, and was calling on Flintwinch for a little money, before fleeing to Antwerp. That was the very evening of Affery’s first dream, when she saw Flintwinch give his twin brother the double-locked box of papers for safe keeping. When Flintwinch then tried to get the papers back, he had no reply, and now says he knows why. (Blandois had stolen the box of papers from Ephraim after he died in Antwerp).



'Closing In' - F.O.C.Darley

Mrs. Clennam says that the box will never be worth nearly as much to anyone else, and that she has not enough money to pay what Blandois wants. What can she pay him in the meantime? But Blandois has a final twist.

He has left the packet with Little Dorrit, saying that it is for Arthur’s sake. If it is not reclaimed before the Marshalsea closes for the night, Little Dorrit must give Arthur the packet, and he must give the second copy, which is enclosed, to her.

“as to its not bringing me, elsewhere, the price it will bring here, say then, madame, have you limited and settled the price the little niece will give—for his sake—to hush it up? Once more I say, time presses. The packet not reclaimed before the ringing of the bell to-night, you cannot buy. I sell, then, to the little girl!”

Faced with this awful prospect, Mrs. Clennam forces herself to put on outdoor clothes. Affery begs her not to go out “you’ll fall dead in the street!” She swears she doesn’t bear Mrs. Clennam any ill will, and will keep her secret, if:

“the poor thing that’s kept here secretly, you’ll let me take charge of her and be her nurse.”

Mrs. Clennam has no idea what she means, as the woman died over 20 years before, when Arthur went abroad:

“‘So much the worse,’ said Affery, with a shiver, ‘for she haunts the house, then. Who else rustles about it, making signals by dropping dust so softly? Who else comes and goes, and marks the walls with long crooked touches when we are all a-bed? Who else holds the door sometimes?’”

Mrs. Clennam is determined, and leaves the room. Affery follows, then Flintwinch. We are left with Blandois, who:

“In the hour of his triumph, his moustache went up and his nose came down, as he ogled a great beam over his head with particular satisfaction.”


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There's such an atmospheric beginning to this chapter:

The last day of the appointed week touched the bars of the Marshalsea gate. Black, all night, since the gate had clashed upon Little Dorrit, its iron stripes were turned by the early-glowing sun into stripes of gold. Far aslant across the city, over its jumbled roofs, and through the open tracery of its church towers, struck the long bright rays, bars of the prison of this lower world.

And then a veritable whirlwind of information to follow! I had to read it more than once, to get it all straight in my mind.

I like that Affery shows some spirit here. And also that she moves the explanation on quite well.

So many answers to so many questions ... I really think this deserved telling over three chapters! Apologues for the length, but there wasn't anything I could really miss out, and had to make the retelling readable.

We are left with one big question. Affery has been shown to be reliable after all, and her "dreams" are not silly imaginings. So who, or what, is in the house, making these sounds which terrify her so much?


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Jenny Clark | 388 comments What a chapter! It's rather telling to me that Mrs.Clennam suddenly recovers and can walk only when it is a matter of HER reputation.


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Mark | 73 comments Thanks again Jean for all the hard work. That chapter was like trying to drink from a fire hose.

So Arthur's father had married twice. The first was secret.

I'm not sure I follow all the codacil business but I guess ultimately Frederick was the patron for a time of Arthur's real mother before she went to the lunatic asylum (where Flitwiche's brother was a guard). And so the inheritance would have gone to Frederick, or then to Amy. Whoosh. British inheritance at that time...no wonder so many attorneys! (But it can still be very complicated if you've ever been to an estate-planning lawyer nowadays in the States.)

The line where Arthur's pretend mother and real father were farther apart in the same house than when he was in China was something.

The old the-Will-wasnt-really-burnt-in-the-fire trick!


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Mark wrote: "Thanks again Jean for all the hard work. That chapter was like trying to drink from a fire hose ..."

LOL! Yes, but you got it Mark! I really do think Charles Dickens packed too much into this chapter though. We shouldn't need to read it over and over again to understand it (and I'm not the sort of reader who can let it wash over me).

Some critics dislike Little Dorrit, saying that it is overly complicated. I hadn't particularly remembered it like that, and think Bleak House is the most complex - but this chapter is! All these middle novels are huge, with many interweaving plot lines, and his public did begin to ask for a more streamlined story. That's when he gave them Great Expectations - which still has many intriguing mysteries :)

Yet even with all this plot development, we still have a commanding description of high emotions; it's riveting stuff!


Robin P Bionic Jean wrote: "Robin - "Clennam "watching out the night" reminded me of the night Amy and Maggie spent outside at their "party" ..."

Yes, good analogy. He certainly feels alone and friendless. Actually he is mor..."


It makes sense that Arthur is more depressed than Mr. Dorrit ever was because Arthur fells himself responsible for his own misery and that of others. Dorrit always felt he was better than his "temporary" abode and he had little thought for others, either when poor or rich.


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Terris Bionic Jean wrote: "Mark wrote: "Thanks again Jean for all the hard work. That chapter was like trying to drink from a fire hose ..."

LOL! Yes, but you got it Mark! I really do think Charles Dickens p..."


Yes! Such an exciting chapter -- if you could understand it!! I had to read a couple of summaries explaining it all in easier language! That was really a lot of information packed into one chapter, explaining a lot about why Arthur's "mother" had always been so awful to him, and why she had taken on Amy as "help." Can't wait to see how it all ends :)


Anne  (reachannereach) | 649 comments I chime in with the chorus: WHAT A CHAPTER! I also had to go over everything several times to try to things straight. Not as smooth of a reveal as it could have been, with so many reveals in one chapter, or partial -reveals. Still a little confused but now, I'm wondering where is Mrs. Clennam going?


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Mark | 73 comments Jean, I agree that Bleak House is complicated too, but I think its central mystery is very organic. To me at least, BH seems to hold together very well.


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Terris wrote: "I had to read a couple of summaries explaining it all in easier language!..."

Oh dear ... Wasn't mine helpful, Terris? You can find each chapter summary easily enough, by using the links at the beginning of the thread.

I've never found any online which are complete or neutral enough, (i.e. without any critical comment included in the text), allowing you to deduce things for yourself. I think it's more fun that way - and not like being back at school. That's why any commentary I make is separate - like everyone else's. If it's research, not opinion: "a little more", that is separate too.

So I would be glad to know which you used. It would save me so, so, so many hours! I was thinking this morning that I have more or less paraphrased two entire Charles Dickens novels, chapter by chapter, rather than making brief summaries. Perhaps that level of detail is not always necessary, (although for this chapter it did seem to be) so perhaps I won't do it next time.

Also, you do have to be careful of spoilers when looking at other sites :( eg. Wiki has a list of characters for most of the novels - but they are chock-a-block with spoilers, so only useful afterwards. Ditto with Charles Dickens' own Prefaces. This one we can read at the end :)


Debra Diggs This chapter sure explained a lot. Nothing that I expected. And now, I hate Mrs. Clennam. My gosh! How could she separate a mother and child like that. Then just go on to treat Arthur horribly.


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Katy | 293 comments Anne wrote: "I chime in with the chorus: WHAT A CHAPTER! I also had to go over everything several times to try to things straight. Not as smooth of a reveal as it could have been, with so many reveals in one ch..."

Good question Anne. Also, whose presence is Affery sensing in the house?

Pancks' comment about the failed investment gives me hope for Arthur's financial future. Maybe there is something fishy going on apart from Mr. Merdle's thievery.

Also, I am wondering if the open window and Affery filling in the details of the story have any significance, like perhaps someone is listening. Affery seems to have become much bolder all of a sudden.


Kathleen | 252 comments Jean:

Your comments and summaries are extremely helpful. I am very thankful for them! You've done and astounding service for us.

I'm looking forward to reading them and everyone's comments when I begin David Copperfield after finishing Little Dorrit.


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Sara (phantomswife) | 1545 comments I second the opinion that your summaries are marvelous! Even after reading this chapter twice, your summary brought a few of the details into focus for me that had been still hanging on the edges of my mind refusing to settle.

It should not surprise me that Arthur's mother is not his mother. She has not had one motherly word or action toward him since he returned from China. I wonder that Arthur did not inherit all the property directed when his father died. It is normal for the male heir to inherit and the wife to simply get a settlement. What a formidable woman. I think she is on a par with Blandois morally.

I hope Affrey has the presence of mind to get out to there now. I'm afraid she would not be safe in Flintwinch's company.

Katy - I also wondered if Pancks might be right about the investment and the money might not all be truly gone.


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Jenny Clark | 388 comments I finally got my audio version back from the libary, so I am at chapter 14 in that. In chapter 13, Pancks says to Arthur that he needs money to help his relative, as one never knows what may happen. I'm wondering if this is just Dickens foreshadowing what has just happened or if Pancks knew Mrs Clennam had a secret?


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Katy | 293 comments Jean - I agree with Kathleen and Sara. I was especially grateful for your summaries of this chapter as there was so much explained and I missed some of the details.


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Mark | 73 comments Mrs. Clennam reminds me of Miss Havisham in Great Expectations. Both keep to themselves at the center of a web and want to punish people. Miss Havisham uses Estella and Pip to wreck her revenge, and Mrs. Clennam raises Arthur in a loveless atmosphere separate from his mother to punish both Arthur's mother and her husband.

Dickens' notes about chapter XXX are sparse but include:

Tell the whole story, working it out as much as possible through Mrs. Clennam herself so as to present her character very strongly...Mrs. Clennam's immobility gradually and frightfully thawing.


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Mark | 73 comments Also in Dickens' notes to himself about chapter XXX he makes sure to mention that Pancks has been "debuted" by Arthur to call for Affery's dreams.

So Arthur (who has asked Affery about her dreams before and she would not say on the stairway) is the instrument of summoning Affery to help with this avalanche of reveals. So Arthur is part of Affery's sudden courage. And Affery helps to keep the snowballs rolling that propel this whole episode.


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Anne  (reachannereach) | 649 comments Mark wrote: "Also in Dickens' notes to himself about chapter XXX he makes sure to mention that Pancks has been "debuted" by Arthur to call for Affery's dreams.

So Arthur (who has asked Affery about her dreams ..."


Very interesting. Dickens thought dreams revealed the truth of all that Affery sees but doesn't want to sees- covering her head all the time. Sort of a Freudian idea pre-Freud.


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Mark | 73 comments I really recommend this printed edition of Little Dorrit by Penguin Classics. It is £8.99 or $13.00 US. And has great footnotes, Dickens' personal notes. I think I'll look for more of these if they have them for other Dickens' novels. :)

I was just looking some of the notes over and there is a section Dickens wrote called Perspective.

It is talking about Arthur's real mother and says

She had written numerous appeals to Mrs. Clennam. She had implored to see her son. She had left her story. They were in the box. The D. N. F. watchpaper was her working. He [Dickens was talking about Flintwinch's brother earlier in the note] died an abroad and Rigaud got the box.

So according to this note, the D. N. F. was written by Arthur's mother. I had assumed it was Arthur's father who had written it. So that handwriting would have been very recognizable by Mrs. Clennam since she had received many latter's from her.


Anne  (reachannereach) | 649 comments interesting. I wonder if all that info will appear in the text soon. I haven't read today's chapter yet.


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Sara (phantomswife) | 1545 comments Dickens notes are very interesting Mark. Thank you for providing them.

I find it interesting how many times I feel an echo of a character from another book of Dickens, but he manages to make each of them very distinct and never, ever copies of one another. That takes a LOT of skill.


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Mark | 73 comments I remember Arthur specifically asking Pancks to implore Affery to tell her dreams before Pancks left him in the Marshallsea, but I didn't put the significance of that until I read the note.

I hope I didn't give anything away. Am not sure Dickens explains more about the DNF in the novel itself.

Anne - interesting about Affery covering her head and trying to hide the truth. Her dissociative "hysteria". :)


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Mark - Thank you for all these personal notes by Charles Dickens. They are fascinating! The Penguin black-spined Classics editions are always excellent, but sadly the size of print is tricky for me.

I have actually noticed similarities between Miss Havisham and Miss Wade as well as with Mrs. Clennam! As Sara said, they are distinct personalities, nevertheless. Well spotted :)

Affery definitely propels the action in this chapter. That is very noticeable—as is the fact that she speaks simply and directly now. That helps move it along!

We learned about all Arthur's birth mother's many written appeals, and letters, in this chapter 30. It is actually far more likely that an embroidered note would be stitched by her, than by Arthur's father. Therefore, when he came to write it, Charles Dickens probably felt that he did not really need to specify this. His audience would assume it, since needlecraft was very much a female occupation in Victorian times.

Thank you all Mark, Kathleen, Sara and Jenny, for your appreciation of my summaries :) It would obviously help (me) a huge amount if Terris has found adequate ones online, but otherwise I'll keep writing them for as long as they are enjoyed, useful—and as long as I find I can :)

Kathleen - I'm delighted you'll be reading David Copperfield, and do hope you will add your own comments in the threads, as you wish and are able to.


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Book II: Chapter 31:

This chapter follows straight on from the previous one. Mrs. Clennam, for so long paralysed, is now hurrying along the streets to the Marshalsea:



'Mrs. Affery's Dreams' - James Mahoney

Because she is conspicuously dressed in black, and looks “gaunt and of an unearthly paleness”, she attracts a lot of attention, and soon she is followed by a crowd. She is giddy and confused; things no longer seeming familiar to her, and she asks them why they are crowding her:



'Mrs. Clennam seeks Little Dorrit' - Harry Furniss

They tell her they are following her because she is a madwoman, and when she says she wants to find the Marshalsea, this confirms their suspicions, because it is right across the street. Young John Chivery overhears this, and seeing that she is being badgered by the crowd, he tells her he is going on duty there and will take her there.

They meet Young John’s father, and the turnkey asks her name. When she replies, Young John asks if she is Mr. Clennam’s mother. This makes her hesitate, but she decides that yes, Little Dorrit had better be told that is who is here. Mrs. Clennam is taken up to the room where Little Dorrit is staying.

“The air was heavy and hot; the closeness of the place, oppressive; and from without there arose a rush of free sounds, like the jarring memory of such things in a headache and heartache. She stood at the window, bewildered, looking down into this prison as it were out of her own different prison, when a soft word or two of surprise made her start, and Little Dorrit stood before her.”

Amy Dorrit is surprised to see her and begins to ask if she is recovered, but it is clear from Mrs. Clennam’s face that she is not strong. She brushes it aside, and asks about the packet that had been left with Amy, saying she is there to reclaim it. When Amy gives it to her, Mrs. Clennam asks if she knows what it is. Amy says she does not whereupon Mrs. Clennam tells her to read what is in the package.

“After a broken exclamation or so of wonder and of terror, she read in silence.”

Mrs. Clennam bows before Amy and asks if she understand what she has done. Amy thinks she does, but she is “so sorry, and has so much to pity” that she may not have followed it all. Mrs. Clennam vows that she will restore to Amy what she has withheld and asks if Amy can forgive her. Amy forgives her freely; she hates to see Mrs. Clennam, an old woman kneel before her, and says she can forgive her without the need for that.

Mrs. Clennam has a request. She begs Amy to keep her secret from Arthur—at least until she is dead—unless Little Dorrit thinks it is better, and will do him good to know. Amy says she will do as Mrs. Clennam asks. Mrs. Clennam decides to explain:

“I can better bear to be known to you whom I have wronged, than to the son of my enemy who wronged me.”

She says she brought Arthur up sternly, as she knew was right: “knowing that the transgressions of the parents are visited on their offspring, and that there was an angry mark upon him at his birth … that the child might work out his release in bondage and hardship.”

Mrs. Clennam insists that this was not for her own satisfaction, but for his own good. She has always known that Arthur never loved her, but he has always been considerate and deferential, and she does not want to lose his respect while she lives. Little Dorrit, she says has only known her for a little time. Now Mrs. Clennam feels she had done what she was supposed to do, to admit to Little Dorrit that she has not done her a kindness but an injury. She has set herself against evil, not against good: the evil perpetrated by her husband and Arthur’s birth mother:

“I have been an instrument of severity against sin. Have not mere sinners like myself been commissioned to lay it low in all time?”

Little Dorrit queries this, and Mrs. Clennam quotes her religious beliefs:

“Even if my own wrong had prevailed with me, and my own vengeance had moved me, could I have found no justification? None in the old days when the innocent perished with the guilty, a thousand to one? When the wrath of the hater of the unrighteous was not slaked even in blood, and yet found favour?”

But Amy Dorrit implores her not to give in to “angry feelings and unforgiving deeds”. She say that even though she has spent nearly all her life in prison, and has had very little teaching, she does not take this as her guide:

“Be guided only by the healer of the sick, the raiser of the dead, the friend of all who were afflicted and forlorn, the patient Master who shed tears of compassion for our infirmities.”

She implores Mrs. Clennam to remember the “later and better days” rather than seeking vengeance and inflicting suffering. She is certain that is the right way. The narrator says that Amy’s life and Mrs. Clennam’s precepts had been markedly different:

“In the softened light of the window, looking from the scene of her early trials to the shining sky, she was not in stronger opposition to the black figure in the shade than the life and doctrine on which she rested were to that figure’s history. It bent its head low again, and said not a word.”

The warning bell rings, and interrupts their thoughts. Mrs. Clennam tells Amy that Blandois is demanding money to hide this secret from Arthur, but that she doesn’t have the money to pay him what he wants. She can only keep the knowledge from Arthur, by buying Blandois off. He has threatened to tell Amy the truth, and Mrs. Clennam asks if Amy is willing to return with her, to show him that she already knows. Amy willingly agrees to go with her.

The summer evening is serene and beautiful. The dinginess of the smoky London air seems brighter, and the sunset still pervade the “long light films of cloud that lay at peace in the horizon … great shoots of light streamed among the early stars,” full of peace and hope. They hurry on.

“Their feet were at the gateway, when there was a sudden noise like thunder … In one swift instant the old house was before them, with the man lying smoking in the window; another thundering sound, and it heaved, surged outward, opened asunder in fifty places, collapsed, and fell. Deafened by the noise, stifled, choked, and blinded by the dust, they hid their faces and stood rooted to the spot. The dust storm, driving between them and the placid sky, parted for a moment and showed them the stars. As they looked up, wildly crying for help, the great pile of chimneys, which was then alone left standing like a tower in a whirlwind, rocked, broke, and hailed itself down upon the heap of ruin, as if every tumbling fragment were intent on burying the crushed wretch deeper.”

Mrs. Clennam drops down motionlesss upon the stones, paralysed once more, and now also having lost the the power of speech. As long as she would live, she was to be like this, apparently understanding but: “except that she could move her eyes and faintly express a negative and affirmative with her head, she lived and died a statue.”

Affery has been following, and she takes care of her mistress, as she always has done. But what of Blandois, who had been the only one to remain in the house? Many diggers work for two days round the clock, to unearth anyone who might have been inside:

“There had been a hundred people in the house at the time of its fall, there had been fifty, there had been fifteen, there had been two. Rumour finally settled the number at two; the foreigner and Mr Flintwinch.”

Finally they find:

“the dirty heap of rubbish that had been the foreigner before his head had been shivered to atoms, like so much glass, by the great beam that lay upon him, crushing him.”

But of Flintwinch, there is no sign. Rumour gets to work again, suggesting that he might have escaped via the cellar, or even been fed through a pipe. but eventually the rumours subside, and another takes their place:

“It began then to be perceived that he had been rather busy elsewhere, converting securities into as much money as could be got for them on the shortest notice”

Affery is sure that this is what has happened, and is “devoutly thankful to be quit of him”.

And what do we think happened to him? It was reported, over time, that a old Englishman, twisted in body, was often seen near the Hague, and in drinking places in Amsterdam. He calls himself “Mynheer von Flyntevynge”.


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So we now have a third castle which has collapsed. And so dramatically! First was the Dorrit’s castle, then Mr. Merdle’s castle—and now the Clennams’ castle. And this is no mere metaphor this time, but a literal collapse of a huge old house, which had been foretold right from the start, by a silly, dreaming, terrified old woman.

The descriptive writing in this chapter is superb!


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And a little more …

Here is a third illustration: Phiz’s illustration “Damocles”:



This is apparently the last of the “dark plates” in any novel by Charles Dickens. Cavalletto running away from Blandois was very atmospheric, but this is one of the most powerful. The title: a Classical allusion, is supremely ironic. Blandois thinks of himself as wielding the sword of Damocles, over the head of Jeremiah Flintwinch and Mrs. Clennam, and is about to lower the blade. He is a cunning blackmailer and confidence trickster. In fact though, he is the one in the very bad situation.

At the very end of the previous Chapter 30, “Closing In,” Blandois believed he had triumphed:

“In the hour of his triumph, his moustache went up and his nose came down, as he ogled a great beam over his head with particular satisfaction.”

But this beam above his head which he stares up at, as he sits smoking so nonchalantly in the upstairs window, represents the sword of Damocles. It is about to descend on him as the building collapses about him.

A wider interpretation of this allusion is the decaying atmosphere and moral collapse of society. The story which began in the prison at Marseilles thirty years ago, now ends with Arthur Clennam’s fortune engulfed in the collapse of Merdle’s financial empire. It has been shown to be a mere house of cards, as rotten as the dilapidated Clennam mansion.

Two small details of this illustration, if you can see them, show stones falling from the eaves, and a mangy cat fleeing from the scene. This is interesting, because so far we have not been told directly what is about to happen. That comes near the end of the next chapter. However we have read all Affery’s forebodings.

One critic has noticed that Phiz added details which link this scene, and the Clennam house, with themes in Bleak House, which Charles Dickens had written 3 years earlier.

The crude supports holding up this house are the same as those Phiz drew for “Tom All Alone’s”, the disease-ridden slum at the heart of the novel. It is "in Chancery"; i.e. in a hopeless legal situation with no end, a little like the Circumlocution office. This hints at a connection between the middle-class acquisitive work-ethic of Mrs. Clennam, and that in Bleak House.


Robin P Mrs. Clennam and Amy have two different views of religion, specifically Christianity. One is severity and damnation, the other forgiveness and grace. Dickens is clear in numerous books where his own sympathies lie.


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Sara (phantomswife) | 1545 comments The illustration is remarkable! The pillars out front look like gravestones and the house like the death trap it becomes. I love your observation of the three collapsing castles, Jean.

It would seem that the noises Affrey always heard were the house getting ready to crumble. I am so glad she was not inside when it went.

I hate to be so callous, but Mrs. Clennam got what she deserved. She was so cruel over such a long time, she suffered slowly, trapped in herself...how appropriate. I believe she had a stroke, probably brought on by both seeing the house collapse and the sudden bodily exertion.


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Agreed, Robin. As Wm. Shakespeare pointed out, "the devil can cite scripture to his purpose." Mrs. Clennam has a cold and hard heart, and her religion is one of pride and power.


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Mrs. Clennam is a fearsome character indeed; eaten away by her rigid strict Calvinistic views and her obsession.

And yet ... was she happy, Sara? She wasted her life steeped in bitterness, and at the beginning of the novel compared her own existence with a prison. We now know she was comparing her self-inflicted isolation with the isolation she knew she had caused for Little Dorrit.

Misguided and vengeful yes, but don't we see a chink of sorrow and repentance in these scenes with Little Dorrit? I think this is the only time we have seen her clearly, without the tirade of religious cant and hysteria she can work herself up to. What she says, she believes. She thought she was doing the right thing; that God had appointed her to judge, and punish. Bur she didn't let herself off lightly, and lived a miserable life of deprivation and guilt, as well.

Yes, Robin it's a good example of two opposite interpretations and examples of the Christian religion. And I see evidence of a softening, a pleading from her when she realises what she has done, much as her husband did in his codicil (which she suppressed) in his will.

Ultimately, for me she is a tragic character, much as in Great Expectations (view spoiler).

We were told Affery is now condemned to a life of looking after Mrs. Clennam. Did she deserve what she got? I'd rather Affery's future was that she obtained a position as housekeeper in a more normal household. Arthur has great affection for her, and we know she was the only kind adult around him as a child. She could have had a future with a family, and been more like Peggotty, perhaps.

Mark - No don't worry, you haven't given anything away, although there are a few more surprises yet :)


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Sara (phantomswife) | 1545 comments I know, there is remorse and sorrow, but it almost feels like too little, too late. I love that Amy is so ready to forgive her and help her, but even when talking to Amy she is still trying to justify what she has done.

Of course, I strongly feel the person she cheated the most was herself. After taking Arthur from his mother, she might have loved him and received his love, but all she saw in the boy was a reflection of the mother she hated. Revenge is never as sweet as the vengeful soul would have it.

At least she is able to acknowledge that Arthur was ever respectful of her and concerned for her, and deep inside she must know he returned her venom with none of his own. That must have stung, as well, because it would have been easier on her if he had been sullen or immoral and she could have blamed the mother for a degenerate son. Arthur made that impossible.


Kathleen | 252 comments I almost feel sorry for the young Mrs Clennam. Here she is, a new bride, knowing little of the world, and she discovers that her husband not only has a mistress, but a child from that union. That is very painful. I'm not excusing how she punished Arthur and his father, but her options were very limited. Divorce was not an option. And she had not produced the expected son to inherit the family fortune and carry on its name, but the other woman had.


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Terris Bionic Jean wrote: "Terris wrote: "I had to read a couple of summaries explaining it all in easier language!..."

Oh dear ... Wasn't mine helpful, Terris? You can find each chapter summary easily enough, by using the ..."


Oh Jean! Your summaries are wonderful! But when I first started reading the book I did not know that you were going to do that. So I looked this one up:
https://www.shmoop.com/study-guides/l....
I don't know that it is the most professional, but it is certainly entertaining and very brief. You might get a kick out of reading over a couple of the chapter summaries.
Also, I think I somehow got a chapter ahead (before your summary was posted) & after I read Chapter 30, I thought "What did I just read?!" Haha!
Thanks for all you do. I am so impressed with your summaries and discussions :)


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Yes, Kathleen, you are right. Another way to look at it and one I hadn't stopped to consider. Also, the marriage was an arrangement between her father and his uncle, so neither of them brought any love or affection into the union.


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Kathleen wrote: "I almost feel sorry for the young Mrs Clennam. ..."

Another aspect of this is the way both she and Arthur's father had been brought up. The given reason she was selected by Arthur's great-uncle, as a bride for his father - the downtrodden young man with no spirit - was that she had been raised in the same strict, God-fearing way. They were like two babes, both raised in the same loveless creed. So what chance did they have?

It's almost as if Charles Dickens is suggesting their lives were predetermined.


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Terris wrote: "Oh Jean! Your summaries are wonderful! But when I first started reading the book I did not know that you were going to do that. So I looked this one up:
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Thank you Terris :) I read the first one, and it did make me smile - and I admit also wince a bit ;) I'm not sure they are right for this group, though some might like them.


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No, I wouldn't suggest them for this group. But I thought they were kind of cute. Yours are much better and more informative :)


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Not to worry Terris - I kind of insisted on knowing :D And thanks again :)


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Book II: Chapter 32:

The first of the three final chapters is titled “Going”, so we know the next ones will again be “Going” and then “Gone!”

Arthur is still very ill in prison, whilst Mr. Rugg is trying his best to get him freed. Pancks is still full of self-reproach, and his only consolation is that when he goes over the figures, he is still sure that the speculations should have made Arthur a rich man. The more restless Pancks becomes in his mind, the more impatient he is of his employer, Mr. Casby.



'Casby and Pancks' - Sol Eytinge Jnr., 1871

He is beginning to stare hard at the Patriarch, especially at his head area:

“Mr Pancks had on several occasions looked harder at the Patriarchal bumps than was quite reconcilable with the fact of his not being a painter, or a peruke-maker [wig-maker] in search of the living model.”

Mr. Casby regularly continues to stroll around Bleeding Heart Yard with his deceptive air of benevolence, even though:

“Mr Pancks had taken all the drudgery and all the dirt of the business as his share; Mr Casby had taken all the profits, all the ethereal vapour, and all the moonshine, as his share”

Mr. Pancks becomes increasingly hotter in his office, which does not help his temper:

“The Dock of the Steam-Tug, Pancks, had a leaden roof, which, frying in the very hot sunshine, may have heated the vessel.”

Everyone is hot and thirsty because of the weather, yet still the Patriarch seems oblivious:

“he had a radiant appearance of having in his extensive benevolence made the drink for the human species, while he himself wanted nothing but his own milk of human kindness.”

One evening Mr. Casby comes into Pancks’s office and tells him that he is disappointed with him. He must squeeze the people more, he says. Pancks isn’t doing his duty; he is made to squeeze and he must do it. Even though Pacnks points out that he squeezed the Yard dry today, Mr. Casby says that he must squeeze the yard again first thing on Monday morning. And there is something else which Mr. Casby is not pleased about. He does not like his daughter, Flora spending so much time calling on Mrs. Clennam - and even worse - enquiring about Arthur:

“in jail. In jail … Let him pay his debts and come out, come out; pay his debts, and come out.”

Pancks’s hair is standing right up now, and he tugs at it again, giving a hideous smile. He suggests to Mr. Casby that he might tell his daughter himself, but Mr. Casby, enjoying his own little plays on words, insists. Moreover, Pancks should mind his business. Saying which the Patriarch amiably decides to go for a little stroll, leaving Pancks very hot indeed.

Pancks sees Mr. Casby go into Bleeding Heart Yard and enters from the opposite direction, via Mrs Plornishs’s Happy Cottage. There he waits, until he is able to meet Mr. Casby in the middle of the yard.



'Mr Pancks Explodes' - James Mahoney

The Patriarch is surprised, but merely assumes the squeezing he ordered is to be a little early. Everyone is astonished to see:

“Mr Pancks, going close up to the most venerable of men and halting in front of the bottle-green waistcoat, made a trigger of his right thumb and forefinger, applied the same to the brim of the broad-brimmed hat, and, with singular smartness and precision, shot it off the polished head as if it had been a large marble.”

Moreover, the insults do not stop with Pancks flipping Mr. Casby’s hat off! He tells his employer exactly what he thinks of him, and makes a pretence of boxing with him, ducking and diving so that Mr. Casby has to avoid his mock blows. He has collected quite an audience in Bleeding Heart Yard, and they love it:

“You’re a driver in disguise, a screwer by deputy, a wringer, and squeezer, and shaver by substitute. You’re a philanthropic sneak. You’re a shabby deceiver!”

Pancks by now has told Mr. Casby that he is just as much an imposter as Merdle, and he gets into full flow with his words, calling him a “mound of meekness, this lump of love, this bottle-green smiler” and a “slow-going benevolent Humming-Top”, to the delight of the crowd:

“Pancks is only the Works; but here’s the Winder!”

By now Pancks has the crowd on his side, and is proving quite an orator:

“the task this Proprietor has set me, has been never to leave off conjugating … the verb To keep always at it. Keep thou always at it. Let him keep always at it. Keep we or do we keep always at it. Keep ye or do ye or you keep always at it. Let them keep always at it. Here is your benevolent Patriarch of a Casby, and there is his golden rule.”

Pancks then suggests to Mr. Casby that he should go, but Mr. Casby is not quick enough. Pancks flips his hat off again, and:

“Quick as lightning, Mr Pancks … whipped out a pair of shears, swooped upon the Patriarch behind, and snipped off short the sacred locks that flowed upon his shoulders … then caught the broad-brimmed hat out of the astounded Patriarch’s hand, cut it down into a mere stewpan, and fixed it on the Patriarch’s head…

A bare-polled, goggle-eyed, big-headed lumbering personage stood staring at him, not in the least impressive, not in the least venerable“


After a little hesitation, Mr. Pancks decides to make a run for it:

“pursued by nothing but the sound of laughter in Bleeding Heart Yard, rippling through the air and making it ring again”.


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Well I have to say it, Hurrah for Pancks! And I think we needed that humorous chapter after all the information stuffed into the previous one.

It's interesting that in some chapters Charles Dickens alternates a section of humour with a section of suspense or mystery. This style does seem to create an urgency in the writing: we want to carry on reading. But a chapter like this just affords comic relief, and gives us all a good laugh :) In my opinion, Mr. Casby definitely got his just deserts here!


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Jenny Clark | 388 comments I'm surprised that Pancks held off as long as he did! I laughed at how I imagine him at the end, dashing away under full steam!


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Sara (phantomswife) | 1545 comments Can't believe we are so close to the end! I loved this chapter and I agree, the humor and lightness was much needed after the preceding one. I'm so pleased Pancks decided to give Mr. Casby what-for in front of the whole of Bleeding Heart Yard. The news will spread, and Casby's little benevolent act will never work again.


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Elizabeth A.G. | 122 comments I love the way Dickens depicts his minor characters and really makes us care for them or despise them. Some minor characters are introduced in guises that hide their true natures, as with Mr. Pancks. We see in this chapter how Pancks, thought to be the greedy, oppressive rent collector by the residents of Bleeding Heart Yard, has had enough, reveals the true greed and malevolence of Mr. Casby by demeaning him in front of the residents. Pancks is also the detective of sorts who helps Little Dorrit discover her wealth and who befriends Arthur. Pancks also knows how to handle the obstinate, demented Mrs. F. with flattery to get her to leave the counting house in a previous chapter.
The revered Mr. Merdle, admired for his investments, turns out to be a swindler. The disguises and various names that Blandois assumes but who in the end remains true to his evil nature. The endearing Maggie who is so innocent and loyal. Even John Chivery who seems down trodden after his rejection by Little Dorrit rises to the occasion. It can be anticipated that the characters of Fanny and Tip with their pretenses may receive their just desserts also.


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