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message 1: by Traveller (last edited Jan 16, 2015 06:16AM) (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Sometimes we'd be reading books which we'd like to take a buddy along with but for which there isn't space on our main reading schedule. Please feel free to arrange such excursions here in this thread and then in the folder named SIDE READS you can post a single thread for discussion of the book.

I will do an example. I would like to do a re-read of Like Water for Chocolate by Laura Esquivel soon, but I'm not sure if it would be main discussion material. Would anybody be interested in reading that with me?

Other books I have lined up that it would be nice to have company with, are Vita by Melania G. Mazzucco and Andorra, a play by Max Frisch


message 2: by Puddin Pointy-Toes (last edited Jan 16, 2015 07:12AM) (new)

Puddin Pointy-Toes (jkingweb) | 86 comments I've been curious about "Like Water for Chocolate" for some time. I'd be willing to give it a go, for what it's worth. Besides Neverwhere I don't really have anything on my plate, so I'm easy.


message 3: by Derek (new)

Derek (derek_broughton) You and I, Traveller, had talked about Oryx and Crake


message 4: by Traveller (last edited Jan 16, 2015 07:18AM) (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Derek (Guilty of thoughtcrime) wrote: "You and I, Traveller, had talked about Oryx and Crake"

Derek, I've started that one a few times, and I've never managed to actually get 'into' it. But then, I had started Neverwhere twice before, with the same result, but now I'm really loving it. Have you read The Blind Assassin already?


message 5: by Traveller (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Puddin Pointy-Toes wrote: "I've been curious about "Like Water for Chocolate" for some time. I'd be willing to give it a go, for what it's worth. Besides Neverwhere I don't really have anything on my plate, so I'm easy."

Oh cool, in that case, I'll make a thread for it. When would suit you? Btw, so aren't you going to do In the Night Garden with us?


message 6: by Puddin Pointy-Toes (last edited Jan 16, 2015 07:23AM) (new)

Puddin Pointy-Toes (jkingweb) | 86 comments In fact, I am going to read Night Garden. I, uh, meant besides that. :P

I've read Oryx and Crake, and it's a lovely work. Completely worth reading. It was, for me, my first introduction to Atwood, and one of the better examples of the "decaying society" subgenre.


message 7: by Traveller (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Shall we put it to the vote whether we're going to read Oryx and Crake or The Blind Assassin in April as a main group discussion?

Puddin, I'll open a thread for Like Water. Maybe we'll be lucky and pick up followers for it.


message 8: by Derek (new)

Derek (derek_broughton) No, I haven't read The Blind Assassin, so I don't care which (except that I have Oryx and Crake.


message 9: by Traveller (last edited Jan 17, 2015 05:03AM) (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Yeah, we'd better start doing polls. A New-Weird/Vandermeer one for March and an Atwood one for April...


message 10: by Cecily (new)

Cecily | 260 comments Derek (Guilty of thoughtcrime) wrote: "No, I haven't read The Blind Assassin, so I don't care which (except that I have Oryx and Crake."

I've read Oryx and Crake and its two sequels and would be happy to discuss it/them.

However, The Blind Assassin is quite near the top of my TBR...


message 11: by Traveller (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
See why we need polls? :P

It's all good and well that we decide to read something between just 2 or 3 of us, but as for myself, i really don't mind exactly which Margaret Atwood i need next - except that i have been wanting to read The Blind Assasin for the longest time, plus I own Oryx and Crake, and been wondering about them too... so.

The nice thing about polls on GR is that you can make comments at the bottom of the poll, and your comments could possibly sway other people's voting, so there's indeed a form of feedback available there that goes deeper than just casting a vote.

I've also been realizing that we need to do a proper discussion schedule thread, like we had at Mievillians - sorry, it's just that, eventually at Mievillians, we eventually had gazillions of thread to wade through, and I'd really like us to do things a bit more economically this time... so i thought we could wait and only start threads as the need for them becomes apparent. But of course, we do need a schedule, so I'll make it shortly.....


message 12: by Lark (new)

Lark Benobi (larkbenobi) I recently re-read Oryx and Crake so I could remember it enough to enjoy the rest of the trilogy (The Year of the Flood and MaddAddam). The second and third books carry forward with many of the same characters, and they subverted a lot of what the first book left me thinking about them. I guess for that reason I'd vote for Blind Assassin, or alternatively, to read all three Maddadams (not too ridiculous--they go by fast).


message 13: by Traveller (last edited Jan 20, 2015 08:09AM) (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Poingu wrote: "I recently re-read Oryx and Crake so I could remember it enough to enjoy the rest of the trilogy (The Year of the Flood and MaddAddam). The second and third books car..."

Noted, Poingu, thanks! Will include all of those. Hmm, ... you say it's good to read the 3 MaddAddam's close together? The thing is to get a taste of an author to see if you like them first.... but of course, we could always do the first one, and then members can decide if they want to do the rest as well. Something like that...


message 14: by Lark (new)

Lark Benobi (larkbenobi) The thing is to get a taste of an author to see if you like them first....

That makes sense. I'm biased because I loved the second and third books much more than Oryx and Crake, but Oryx and Crake also stands on its own. The stories of the main characters wind through all three books so I definitely found it helpful to refresh my memory of the first book before going forward with the others.


message 15: by Traveller (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
..so I wonder if we can be naughty and skip Oryx and Crake... :P


Puddin Pointy-Toes (jkingweb) | 86 comments I hadn't even known a secong sequel was published. I still have my hardcover copy of The Year of the Flood, and I do remember it leaving the story somewhat unfinished. It's funny, because I have read other Atwood since.

Well! Now I know!

I think that while you can skip Oryx and Crake, you do miss something if you haven't read it. It's fairly typical for its genre, but it's a particularly well-written example.


message 17: by Lark (new)

Lark Benobi (larkbenobi) Traveller wrote: "..so I wonder if we can be naughty and skip Oryx and Crake... :P"

It could be done. Books 1 and 2 cover the same temporal ground from different points of view. It might break a rule though. It also might make Book 2 totally incomprehensible, which might be fun in its own way. It's hard to say. I remember reading a philosopher who argued that people should open books at random and begin right there, but I don't remember who it was who wrote that, and I've only tried that strategy, myself, on books I don't want to read all the way through to begin with.


message 18: by Cecily (new)

Cecily | 260 comments Poingu wrote: "I'm biased because I loved the second and third books much more than Oryx and Crake, but Oryx and Crake also stands on its own."

Just to be contrary, I loved the first two (Oryx and Crake, then Year of the Flood), but not the third (MaddAddam).


message 19: by Traveller (last edited Jan 21, 2015 02:40AM) (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Ha, let's just put it to the vote.... (via a poll) I will go with the majority vote on this one. :)


message 20: by Yolande (new)

Yolande  (sirus) | 246 comments Ok, I've got in my library the MaddAdam trilogy and The Blind Assassin so whichever book/s win I would be able to join in.


message 21: by Traveller (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Okay nice. :))) I'll wait for the new month before putting up the poll, though, because folks usually don't take too kindly if a group sends out too many notifications...


message 22: by Jonfaith (new)

Jonfaith | 50 comments Okay, I was thinking of inviting Bibi Netanyahu to read Dune with me. Dune, some may gasp? No, I have never read such. Maybe I should rethink my plan. I still wish to read Dune.


message 23: by Traveller (last edited Jan 24, 2015 01:06AM) (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Jonfaith wrote: "Okay, I was thinking of inviting Bibi Netanyahu to read Dune with me. Dune, some may gasp? No, I have never read such. Maybe I should rethink my plan. I still wish to read Dune."

Heh, yeah, I wouldn't exactly have associated you with Dune... ;)
Well, Jonfaith, please feel welcome to create a thread in the same folder as Water for Chocolate is. (In other words, the folder that this thread is in.)


message 24: by Derek (new)

Derek (derek_broughton) Jonfaith wrote: "Okay, I was thinking of inviting Bibi Netanyahu to read Dune with me. Dune, some may gasp? No, I have never read such. Maybe I should rethink my plan. I still wish to read Dune."

You absolutely should read Dune. Everybody should have read Dune by now.


message 25: by Saski (new)

Saski (sissah) | 420 comments I'm long overdue for a reread of Dune, and wouldn't mind a push...


message 26: by Cecily (new)

Cecily | 260 comments Jonfaith wrote: "Okay, I was thinking of inviting Bibi Netanyahu to read Dune with me. Dune, some may gasp? No, I have never read such. Maybe I should rethink my plan. I still wish to read Dune."

Have you been reading Manny's review?
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...


message 27: by Traveller (last edited Jan 24, 2015 02:15PM) (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Cecily wrote: "Have you been reading Manny's review?
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show......"


Aha! So that's where it suddenly comes from - I was wondering from whence the sudden Dune revival. Could have guessed rabble-rousing Manny was at the bottom of it! LOL. If he manages to fire up enough people, then we're going to have to host a Dune event, Charlie Brown...


message 28: by Cecily (new)

Cecily | 260 comments It's an old review (but, I see, recently updated), but mention of Netanyahu reminded me of Manny's oil/middle-east related review.


message 29: by Traveller (last edited Jan 24, 2015 02:28PM) (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
If Jonfaith promises (and maybe you, too Cecily?) to give us some Middle-eastern context for the book, I'd say it sounds like a bargain that I would also like to attend.


message 30: by Cecily (new)

Cecily | 260 comments I can't provide any middle-eastern context (other than from Manny's review), but it is a book I want to read at some stage.


message 31: by Derek (new)

Derek (derek_broughton) I'd like to point out that at least one person on Manny's review points out that it was written during Vietnam. The Fremen are not Arabs, not Muslim. They're "Zensunni", which is essentially to say "everybody with an axe to grind".


message 32: by Jonfaith (new)

Jonfaith | 50 comments Weeping Jesus caught in flagrante delicto with my local Iman and at Passover, for the sake of March of Dimes. I larded my proposal because of the unseemly nature of diplomacy. I love Manny's review. I think it was one of the reasons I bought the novel a year ago.

I need rest, a holiday -- maybe some time listening to Lester Young and some actual warm weather.


message 33: by Traveller (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
LOL, I'm pretty full up with group discussion for the next month or two, but you guys go ahead; imma gonna try to catch up later. :) (My memories of Dune are fuzzy enough for me to be quite happy to join in with you guys when I can.)


message 34: by Janie (new)

Janie (madlyjane) Just the first book or the first three! But I still have my original copy of Dune. I don't think the Middle Eastern context holds up, just from memory. But I'd have to revisit the book to be sure. Somehow that just doesn't fit what I remember of it.


message 35: by Traveller (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Melinda Jane wrote: "Just the first book or the first three! But I still have my original copy of Dune. I don't think the Middle Eastern context holds up, just from memory. But I'd have to revisit the book to be sure..."

Oh, would you like to revisit it? :P If there is even the teeniest possibility that you might, then please add thyself posthaste, to this thread, Melinda Jane, to relieve poor Jonfaith's despair that anybody will ever join him... https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


message 36: by Jonfaith (new)

Jonfaith | 50 comments What I'm hoping for is not a geo-political approach to Dune but one larded equally with medieval and philosophical filigree.

And as Traveler noted, I am hoping to ease my despair.


message 37: by Saski (new)

Saski (sissah) | 420 comments Melinda Jane wrote: "Just the first book or the first three! But I still have my original copy of Dune. I don't think the Middle Eastern context holds up, just from memory. But I'd have to revisit the book to be sure..."

I didn't see it either during my many readings as a young adult. But much later while my wife was reading it, she kept saying, "This is all Turkish vocabulary!"


message 38: by Traveller (new)

Traveller (moontravlr) | 2761 comments Mod
Jonfaith wrote: "What I'm hoping for is not a geo-political approach to Dune but one larded equally with medieval and philosophical filigree.
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You've convinced me with that to try and advertise more vigorously for this. Certainly if we couch it in those terms, well -then- it really starts to sound like an On Paths book. Right, so shall we set if for March 20? Everybody okay with that?


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