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So you two are right with Emily Dickinson, but not the age!!! 😏
Pamela wrote: "Emma wrote: "Pamela wrote: "Emma wrote: "Okay here we go! In an hour I'm going to be out for a couple hours, so I'll let those who are still here mull over this one. Though I bet as soon Pam sees i..."If you want to post your answer, go ahead! Though I don't know if Meg wants to guess the age again.
Emma wrote: "So you two are right with Emily Dickinson, but not the age!!! 😏"Hmm, 59? I could be dyslexic! 😄
Or 55, if she hadn't reached her 56th birthday yet?
Meg wrote: "Or 55, if she hadn't reached her 56th birthday yet?"And we have a winner!!!!
Back over to you Meggy. 🎾
Sorry, forgot to say she was 55. 😁
Hurray...we finally have some action!!!Emily Dickinson (Born Dec. 1830~Died May 1886) She was 55 years old when she died of kidney disease. Yeah, Meg!!!
Pam
Pamela wrote: "Hurray...we finally have some action!!!Emily Dickinson (Born Dec. 1830~Died May 1886) She was 55 years old when she died of kidney disease. Yeah, Meg!!!
Pam"
Did you copy and paste that?? Or are you just that smart???
Emma wrote: "Pamela wrote: "Hurray...we finally have some action!!!Emily Dickinson (Born Dec. 1830~Died May 1886) She was 55 years old when she died of kidney disease. Yeah, Meg!!!
Pam"
Did you copy and pas..."
I wouldn't say I'm smart, but I didn't copy and paste...I'm not smart enough for that! I would say that we're all smart here. That's how we found each other! When I was a kid, if somebody got good grades, there was a group of kids who tormented them by chanting "Smarty had a party. Nobody came to Smarty's party!" How nasty! It always really bugged me. I was a teacher for almost 40 years and never tolerated bullying! The kids knew it and never did it. I was fortunate!
Pamela wrote: "Emma wrote: "Pamela wrote: "Hurray...we finally have some action!!!Emily Dickinson (Born Dec. 1830~Died May 1886) She was 55 years old when she died of kidney disease. Yeah, Meg!!!
Pam"
Did you..."
You are way more knowledge about these things then I am!! I bet you made an amazing teacher. 😄❤️
Emma wrote: "Pamela wrote: "Emma wrote: "Pamela wrote: "Hurray...we finally have some action!!!Emily Dickinson (Born Dec. 1830~Died May 1886) She was 55 years old when she died of kidney disease. Yeah, Meg!!!..."
I loved teaching! My illness put an end to it, though. Doctor's orders as I could no longer pass the physical. It was sad, but I've come to terms with it.
Pammy Jo
Emma wrote: "You are way more knowledge about these things then I am!! I bet you made an amazing teacher. 😄❤️"*knowledgable*
Dorothy wrote: "Emma wrote: "You are way more knowledge about these things then I am!! I bet you made an amazing teacher. 😄❤️"*knowledgable*"
Nice to have you back Dorry. 🙄😂
Emma wrote: "Meg wrote: "Or 55, if she hadn't reached her 56th birthday yet?"And we have a winner!!!!
Back over to you Meggy. 🎾"
Wow, you're a stickler for details! 😂 (Just kidding!)
Meg wrote: "Emma wrote: "Meg wrote: "Or 55, if she hadn't reached her 56th birthday yet?"And we have a winner!!!!
Back over to you Meggy. 🎾"
Wow, you're a stickler for details! 😂 (Just kidding!)"
Well, I had to do SOME sort of hard question!! 😂 I'm horrible at these!! 🤦🏻♀️🤣
Are you going to post yours tonight or wait for tomorrow?
Meg wrote: "Emma wrote: "Meg wrote: "Or 55, if she hadn't reached her 56th birthday yet?"And we have a winner!!!!
Back over to you Meggy. 🎾"
Wow, you're a stickler for details! 😂 (Just kidding!)"
Besides, that IS how old she was!!!!🙄😂
Emma wrote: "Well, I had to do SOME sort of hard question!! 😂 I'm horrible at these!! 🤦🏻♀️🤣Are you going to post yours tonight or wait for tomorrow?"
Oh it was a great question, Emma! You made me think! 😄
I might post a question this evening...I had one earlier, I just have try to remember what it was! 😂
Meg wrote: "Emma wrote: "Well, I had to do SOME sort of hard question!! 😂 I'm horrible at these!! 🤦🏻♀️🤣Are you going to post yours tonight or wait for tomorrow?"
Oh it was a great question, Emma! You made m..."
Lol yeah I learned from last time I did a question... I kept on having to look up the right answer because I couldn't remember it! THIS time I wrote it down! 😏😊
I'm glad it made you think, and that you didn't right away say Hawthorne! 😂😉
Emma wrote: "I'm glad it made you think, and that you didn't right away say Hawthorne! 😂😉"😂 Well I KNEW it wasn't him because I know he only wrote a few poems and it drived me CRAZY because they are so beautiful!!
Meg wrote: "Emma wrote: "I'm glad it made you think, and that you didn't right away say Hawthorne! 😂😉"😂 Well I KNEW it wasn't him because I know he only wrote a few poems and it drived me CRAZY because they ..."
🙄🤣🤣 Only you...
Meg wrote: "Emma wrote: "I'm glad it made you think, and that you didn't right away say Hawthorne! 😂😉"😂 Well I KNEW it wasn't him because I know he only wrote a few poems and it drived me CRAZY because they ..."
*DROVE!!!*
Dorothy wrote: "Meg wrote: "Emma wrote: "I'm glad it made you think, and that you didn't right away say Hawthorne! 😂😉"😂 Well I KNEW it wasn't him because I know he only wrote a few poems and it drived me CRAZY b..."
Dorry best be careful now! I fear for you that your one day going to have a heart attack from grammatical errors!! 🤣🤣
Emma wrote: "Dorry best be careful now! I fear for you that your one day going to have a heart attack from grammatical errors!! 🤣🤣."I did that on purpose because she was sitting here correcting me as I typed! 🤣
Ok I've got one, although it wasn't the one I was thinking of earlier! 😏 This should be easy...especially if Ruth comes back! 😉Which author spent a night in jail for refusing to pay his taxes?
Meg wrote: "Emma wrote: "Dorry best be careful now! I fear for you that your one day going to have a heart attack from grammatical errors!! 🤣🤣."I did that on purpose because she was sitting here correcting m..."
I can clearly picture that one Meg!! 🤣🤣
Meg wrote: "Ok I've got one, although it wasn't the one I was thinking of earlier! 😏 This should be easy...especially if Ruth comes back! 😉Which author spent a night in jail for refusing to pay his taxes?"
Longfellow
Ruth wrote: "Thoreau, of course."Of course! 😉
Ruth wrote: "Thoreau, of course."Yep, knew you'd get it! 😄 I just read this quote today...
"I, Henry D. Thoreau, have signed off, and do not hold myself responsible to your multifarious uncivil chaos named Civil Government."
I should say that the reason Thoreau refused to pay the tax is that he did not want to support a government that supported slavery. Although in this as in so many other things he probably carried it too far...he just about idolized John Brown.
Meg wrote: "I should say that the reason Thoreau refused to pay the tax is that he did not want to support a government that supported slavery. Although in this as in so many other things he probably carried i..."Hi Meg,
That he did! I didn't know about his
idolization of John Brown.
Do you have any passages of this?
Meg wrote: "Ruth wrote: "Thoreau, of course."Yep, knew you'd get it! 😄 I just read this quote today...
"I, Henry D. Thoreau, have signed off, and do not hold myself responsible to your multifarious uncivil c..."
It is just what I would expected of
Thoreau.
Ruth wrote: "Meg wrote: "Ruth wrote: "Thoreau, of course."Yep, knew you'd get it! 😄 I just read this quote today...
"I, Henry D. Thoreau, have signed off, and do not hold myself responsible to your multifario..."
Thoreau supported John Brown completely. After Brown was executed by hanging, Thoreau wrote "A Plea For Captain John Brown" and delivered his essay publically soon after Brown's execution.
Pamela
Pamela wrote: "Ruth wrote: "Meg wrote: "Ruth wrote: "Thoreau, of course."Yep, knew you'd get it! 😄 I just read this quote today...
"I, Henry D. Thoreau, have signed off, and do not hold myself responsible to yo..."
Thank you, Pamela.
I will definitely look into this.😊
Something I have always found to be interesting was that the majority of Union soldiers who fought in the Civil War did so for "Constitutional Liberty" or b/c of a sense of duty to protect their homes, without caring at all about slavery. During the early part of the war, the North actually refused to accept the services of black volunteers and freed slaves. It was only after Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation that the North seemed to become united by the issue of ending slavery. It was a sad and tragic time for our country, but slavery was an issue which had to be dealt with and ended. It was inevitable from the moment the Declaration of Independence was signed.Pamela
*It is also interesting to note that the majority of the men who fought in the Confederate Army did not even own slaves. They also fought to protect their homes, just as the majority of the Union soldiers did...just as anyone would, even today. In the end, home and family matter more than anything else.
Pamela wrote: "Something I have always found to be interesting was that the majority of Union soldiers who fought in the Civil War did so for "Constitutional Liberty" or b/c of a sense of duty to protect their ho..."It's interesting that you mentioned
this I had been thinking how our
forefathers had forecasted the future
with the ending of slavery by the words
"where all men are created equal".
I have often heard the complaint of
America about slavery as a reason to
be despised rather than to see the
destiny that was in the makings to
permanently change it.
They don't stop to consider a crucial
question: where would we be today
if we fought for both independence
and slavery?
The answer is we wouldn't.
Each war was costly but required,
something new was taking place;
to this day the Civil War remains
the costliest dividing family, friends,
the nation.
That was a good point you made
about the Confederate Army not
owning slaves, but fought to
protect their homes; it is so little
acknowledged.
Ruth wrote: "Pamela wrote: "Something I have always found to be interesting was that the majority of Union soldiers who fought in the Civil War did so for "Constitutional Liberty" or b/c of a sense of duty to p..."Thank you, Ruth! United States History is a subject I have always been passionate about. It would serve our great nation well if every citizen felt that way. Good or bad, without an understanding of the past, there is no future.
Pamela
I believe that Robert E. Lee said it best when he said:"If Virginia stands by the old Union, so will I. But if she secedes, though I do not believe in secession as a constitutional right, nor that there is sufficient cause for revolution, then I will follow my native State with my sword, and if need be, with my life."
And with that, he sealed his own fate throughout time. He knew it, yet willingly risked it all to protect his home.
Pamela wrote: "Ruth wrote: "Pamela wrote: "Something I have always found to be interesting was that the majority of Union soldiers who fought in the Civil War did so for "Constitutional Liberty" or b/c of a sense..."Pamela wrote: "I believe that Robert E. Lee said it best when he said:
"If Virginia stands by the old Union, so will I. But if she secedes, though I do not believe in secession as a constitutional right, nor tha..."
Funnily enough, I recently stated the
same thing.
We have a fundamental responsibility to
learn and to know our history as well
as the mistakes. Those that don't will
never see nor understand the cost and
value of what has been given.
I am rather enjoying this discussion.
Pamela wrote: "I believe that Robert E. Lee said it best when he said:"If Virginia stands by the old Union, so will I. But if she secedes, though I do not believe in secession as a constitutional right, nor tha..."
Home should always be protected.
I've thought if how differently our
history would be if Robert E. Lee
hadn't been general, he knew when
to turn himself in.
I just read Mrs. Lee and Mrs. Gray in December, and did you know Lee's wife was an abolitionist as well? She fought hard to raise money in order to free slaves and give them safe passage back to their homeland - not because she didn't want them here but because she thought no one would accept them and life would be too difficult.History is one of my favorite topics! Sadly, as you said, it's slowly being erased. One must hold on to it if we're to move ahead.
Ruth wrote: "Pamela wrote: "I believe that Robert E. Lee said it best when he said:"If Virginia stands by the old Union, so will I. But if she secedes, though I do not believe in secession as a constitutional..."
Ruth wrote: "Pamela wrote: "I believe that Robert E. Lee said it best when he said:
Or, what if he had accepted Lincoln's request to command the entire Union army? Lee was one of the greatest military minds of all time. I think, had he remained loyal to the U.S., and commanded the Union army instead of McClellan, the North would have swifltly won! Until Gettysburg, Lee rarely lost a battle. It took 2 years for the Union to taste victory. That's my opinion, having extensively studied the war.
They called Gen. Grant the butcher b/c he lost so many men in battle, but he won the war because he never retreated as McClellan regularly did...those lost under Little Mac's leadership truly did die in vain.
Hannah wrote: "I just read Mrs. Lee and Mrs. Gray in December, and did you know Lee's wife was an abolitionist as well? She fought hard to raise money in order to free slaves and give them safe pa..."Good morning Hannah!
I do know about Mrs. Lee. She was the great-grandaughter of Martha Washington. Robert E., her husband, was the son of "Lighthorse Harry Lee"...a Patriot of the Revolutionary War. I can't imagine that there were many who understood patriotism better than Gen. and Mrs. Robert E. Lee! I have read much about the Lee family. They were good people who have become the target of much hatred today. History must be accepted as it was, not changed to please. One of my favorite sayings is "I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct!" I say Amen to that!
Pamela
Perhaps the three of us should start a group called "Late Night Rants and Musings of American History Buffs"... How long do you think we would last before being shut down because of political correctness? LOL!!!Pamela
My goodness, you people keep strange hours! 😂 I really enjoyed reading through this conversation though! Pamela, I assume you have seen the Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War? It's my dad's favorite so I've seen it many times. 😄It is sad and very scary the way our history is being erased and/or re-written. My dad was just talking yesterday about all the books that have been written about the "real" Washington, or the "real" Lincoln, etc. The purpose behind it is to make people hate their own country, and it's working.
Meg wrote: "My goodness, you people keep strange hours! 😂 I really enjoyed reading through this conversation though! Pamela, I assume you have seen the Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War? It's my dad's fav..."Apparently we keep strange hours Meg, because now everyone's in bed!! 😂😂
I love this discussion with a sane view of the Civil War era...I hate it when the north is portrayed as 100% anti-slavery when they were definitely not, and when the south is portrayed as a bunch of inhuman monsters. I’ve been trying to locate the quote of where several Southern gentlemen banded together and asked Jefferson Davis to declare an end to slavery before Lincoln could, but it’s been years and I can’t recall who it was. A number of historians have agreed that England was seriously considering a treaty with the South and that a blanket end to slavery there would have likely sealed the deal, but the Emancipation Proclamation effectively ended that possibility.
Lee was a man of principle and even while fighting the war made sure to follow through with liberating the slaves his wife inherited from her father’s estate. However, Grant’s relatives in Kentucky continued working the land with slaves until the bitter end, the ratification of the Constitutional amendment. And yet the modern perception tends to be that it was Grant who hated slavery and Lee who liked it, which is false.
Meg wrote: "My goodness, you people keep strange hours! 😂 I really enjoyed reading through this conversation though! Pamela, I assume you have seen the Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War? It's my dad's fav..."I have Ken Burns' series and enjoy watching it. It is very good!
It angers me so, and also scares me, to see so many monuments being destroyed throughout the country. I have heard that some are calling for Mt. Rushmore to be destroyed because of Washington and Jefferson being part of it. For lack of a better way to say this, it is what is and it was what it was! Many great societies have fallen because they lost sight of their past...of their history. I pray we are not headed in that direction!
Pamela
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It seems that nobody can come out to play today, Emma! Should I post my answer, or should I wait?
Pammy
(When I just typed my name, the "suggested word" thingy just suggested I use "Spammy"...it never did that before! I still can't figure out what's up with my tablet!?? Perhaps I should add "Spammy" to my many nicknames!!!) LOL!!!!