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Cold Days (The Dresden Files, #14)
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could there be a third Faerie Mother?

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E | 5 comments I just re-read Cold Days and it made me think of a couple of things, namely "Masks" and "Names".

In the book Harry summons the Winter Mother using the names Athropos and Skuld, both names are refer to one of the Fates. Athropos/Atropos is a one of the Greek Fates (the eldest if memory serves and the one associated with inevitability). While i admit that i know little of Norse mythology, a quick internet search provided that the name Skuld is a name of one of the Norns - Norse version of the Greek Fates(or at least the closes thing they have to the Fates). Both Mother Summer and Winter hinted that hey have worn many different "Masks" through out their long lives and Cringle/Donar Vadderung/Freakin' Santa Claus changes "masks" frequently.

Here is where i have a bad, maybe good and might even be a far fetch idea that there is a third Mother out there in the Harry Dresden Universe. Mother Winter said that Harry was not wrong to "call/summon" her by the names Athopos and Skuld. If she had once worn the "mask" of Athorpos and/or Skuld, this would mean that Mother Summer would be one of the other fates. If that is the case, then there might be a third fate/mother out there.

now here is my far fetch idea. Could Harry's mom be the third Faerie Mother? She is called Margaret LeFay or Margaert of the Fae. She could have or could be a faerie mother that wore a mask of a human and had given birth to the very special Harry Dresden, who can fight against outsiders and is call "child of light" (or something to that effect. i'll have to look for the "light" reference)

What do you guys/gals think?


Stutley Constable (stutleyconstable) | 149 comments E wrote: "I just re-read Cold Days and it made me think of a couple of things, namely "Masks" and "Names".

In the book Harry summons the Winter Mother using the names Athropos and Skuld, both names are refe..."


Honestly, I think it's a reach. Interesting speculation, but it seems to me there are only two Fairy Courts represented in the novels. Therefore, there are only two Mothers.

What I think far more likely is that Lady, Queen and Mother would represent the Fates. It has been some years since I studied my classics, but as I recall the Fates were divided by age. One young (Lady), one of age (Queen) and one old (Mother). Therein I think the answer rests.

Harry's mother was called LeFay because she spent so much time wandering the Ways. At least, if The Gatekeeper and Captain Luccio are to be believed.


Shahbaz (abelisii) | 16 comments I would have to go with a far reach idea also, but I like it. If we go with the thought of the Mothers as possibly the sisters of fate, and the likelihood of there being a 3rd Faerie Queen, it would most likely imo be a Queen of the Wild Fae, but as they are Wild Fae there is no true court. I don't think Harry's mother was a Fae Queen because (view spoiler) but who knows...definitely something to think on.


Angie ~aka Reading Machine~ (wolffaerie17) | 289 comments Mod
What an interesting speculation. I need to think more on this.


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Sergej | 52 comments Stutley wrote: "E wrote: "I just re-read Cold Days and it made me think of a couple of things, namely "Masks" and "Names".

In the book Harry summons the Winter Mother using the names Athropos and Skuld, both name..."


That is modern interpretation that arose with Wicca. Fates are crones, all 3. In older myths they're all woman of age-possible explanation in DFverse would be that then they weren't Mothers, but Queens. I think 3rd Mother could be original Mother Summer. Look at Moirae's dominions: Clotho is Fate of birth, Lachesis Fate of life and Antropos Fate of Death. Courts of Fae are at basis two sides of cycle of nature,life and death. 2/3 of Fates are responsible for life. 2/3 of Mothers were Summer.


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