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I agree with Rosebud, Tui wasn't being lazy at all; not all the characters need to be named if they are just minor details.
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Errrrrrrrrr I think not. The 1/3 would probably be oceans.
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Uh, in Dragonslayer, Wren had trouble understanding Murderbasket (Deathbringer), so I thing NightWings also have different accents them most dragon tribes.
Nicoletta wrote: Errrrrrrrrr I think not. The 1/3 would probably be oceans.Even weirder when you consider that the Earth is 70% ocean, compared to Pyrrhia-Pantala's 33%, but I digress.
Anyway, have some facts from a WoF fan possessed:
- Albatross is based off the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, the poem where (view spoiler).
- If HiveWings are all descended from Clearsight, and Clearsight had maybe a dozen initial kids, then... wait a second... (view spoiler)
- RainWings visited Pantala at one point.
- IceWings have frozen fruit popsickles.
- Potions were name-dropped in Darkstalker but never elaborated on for some reason. What do they do? Who makes them?
- The tune of the Dragonets of Destiny song follows "One Hundred Bottles of"... er, milk- "On the Wall."
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And while we are on that subject, If all HiveWings are descended from Clearsight, how are genetic disorders not any more common than in other dragon tribes? As far as we know, neither HiveWings nor NightWings nor BeetleWings are adapted to very small populations, soooooooooooooooo... Im going to leave it at there. I think HiveWing royalty were lying about being descended from Clearsight. In the prologue to Arc 3, it is implied that Clearsight uhhhhhhhhhh, had a child, with at least a probably-BeetleWing, but a whole bunch of them...Unless Rosebud is right about WoF genetics.
Yeah, I suspect that the HiveWings were lying about Clearsight; it's possible they were lying about it for so long that they eventually started genuinely believing they were descended from Clearsight. On the other hand, Tui all but confirmed that HiveWings really were descended from Clearsight (her "strong genetic material?" That's not a real thing! But then, no offense, but I don't think Tui knows that much about genetics or closed populations, although I can't exactly blame her for that).
Oh well, HiveWings lying about their ancestry can be a headcanon of mine.
*not related* but did you know that snails have between 14,000-to 20,000 teeth
fox boi (aka james) wrote: "Albatross is confirmed to be of IceWing descent. ... Albatross is the first SeaWing known to be a hybrid, the second being Typhoon, as well a the first known SeaWing and IceWing hybrid. He is the f..."holy shit i just realized- pardon my cursing- BUT YOU ARE KINDA RIGHT!
Turtle was an animus, his animi powers come from fathom, who had dragonets! All of Turtle's silblings HAVE the animi gene, even though anemone wasnt originally an animus. Since Albatross was a confirmed hybrid, THIS MEANS! The animi blood ORIGINALLY came from icewings! Why would I say this? We know of not a SINGLE mudwing or rainwing animus. But, BUT! S a n d w i n g s AND s k y w i ng s. Jerboa was an animus, I know very little of her and her descendants, but I do know she IS an animi. Where this blood came from, I have no clue. Anyway- So lets just say jerboa had icewing blood too. (idk about skywings, lets say icewing too-) Sunny's father was an animus. All animus nightwings get their heritage from Whiteout, who got hers from Arctic. Albatross was also icewing, which brought animus blood into seawings. Albatross was related to Fathom, who had kids, who eventually became Typhoon, Turtle, Anemone, Tsunami etc. TURTLE got his animi powers from either his mother or father. (likely mother since the royal blood). Gill and Coral were the only parents of all 35 royal dragonets. ONE OF THE TWO PARENTS HAD ANIMI HERITAGE, THE ANIMUS POWER CAME FROM ICEWING BLOOD! If sunny is part icewing, and she has animi blood, and tsunami is part icewing because she has animi blood, THIS MEANS THEY MIGHT BE DISTANTLY RELATED WOWWWWWWW! Idk where albatross got his blood, his father must've been an icewing- or an ancestor of his yet to be mentioned- ANYWAY, THEY ARE SOMEHOW RELATED- I WAS WRONG-
The Gr33nB34n wrote: "if you still wanna keep arguing, please google it. Sunny is not a quad-brid"but- you see, char- you could be right- since Actric and Albatross weren't dirextly related. SO WHERE DID ANIMI COME FROM??? IM SO CONFUSED
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So Albatross was the son or many-great-grandson of a SeaWing and an IceWing. They probably would have talked about it if Albatross was a recent hybrid (Even though he was a granddad), so the IceWing was probably not his parents, probably not his grandparents either. So he would be at least the same age as Queen Diamond, but probably older, and the animus does not have to be from the IceWing royal family.
it doesnt, since skywings have animi too, and wherever THAT came from, no one knows- they killed off their animi anyway, and yet- how would it keep coming back? the skywings did their best to murder off all their animi dragonets, and there hasn't really been a named one (although it is confirmed they had animus magic, as it says in Darsktalker.) so the lineage mustve died off during or sometime after the Legend. It's confusing, however, that now only nightwings, seawings and sandwings have animi. And where did animi magic come from with the sandwings?? Our last known animi sand dragon was one of the jerboas (right???) So- its really hard to follow. The earliest known was either Diamond or Albatross. Then Arctic, Fathom, Darkstalker, and all the others. in some relative order. Skywings HAD animus magic. So the original three must've been Icewings, Sandwings and Skywings. The icewings lost theirs to nightwings, Seawing magic mustve come from icewings as well, and then the skywings killed theirs off. Sandwings are really the only "pure" animus lineage that we know of that still technically exists. All animus nightwings have a tiny bit of icewing, all animus seawings have a bit of icewing (both of which have "royal" icewing blood, obviously not enough to rule, but enough to at least HAVE the animi gene.) and sandwings are pure as we know, and skywings have lost it forever. No other tribe has or had animus magic, as we know of now. I really hope Tui realeases some kind of Legend for albatross, and maybe even the scorching, since we've gotten a backstory into that. Actually, i'm pretty sure she'll be doing a Scorching Legend, and a Hive Legend, since we've gotten tidbits here and there, and both of those would fill in MAJOR plot holes. This is one of the few things that continues to boggle me. It's a mysterious and powerful magic we've no idea where it's come from. The main three tribes to have it "pure" were the sky, ice and sandwings. And two of them lost it, and two more were added. As of the recent books, Nightwings, Sandwings and Seawing have the animus blood. This runs through Sunny, Tsunami, Turtle (and all his siblings), Coral, Jerboa, Auklet, Anemone, Stonemover, Peacemaker (technically), and maybe some other characters idk about. Of course, animi magic is broken (THANKS QIBLI!), so there may not be anything else to give us a clue.
following along all this: Sunny got animi blood from stonemover, who got it from his ancestor whiteout. Turtle got it from Albatross, who got it from an unknown icewing royal. So- yeah- Sunny is Night/Sand/Ice, Tsunami is technically Sea/Ice (as is turtle and all other princes(esses)) and.. well jerboa is pure sand. SO- no clue.
what a second-WHO INHERITED THE THRONE AFTER QUEEN DIAMOND (arctics mom) DIED???
Google says Snowfox did, but I don't really know.
Okay, snowfox did, and she came from where? snowfox is diamonds neice, who came from a sister/brother of Diamond's, which means icewings still might have the gene (assuming Diamond's sibling had the same two parents as she did.) dammit, another f-ing plothole-
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#2 Hmmmmmmm It is possible the IceWings to lose animus magic if animus magic is a. expressed by multiple genes, or b. an entity (Both unconfirmed theories of mine.) For a which is more likely, if Snowfox did not have any of the genes that controlled animus. then Icewings would lose animus magic. However, the more likely option is that Snowfox had one of the genes required for animus magic, but did not have children with someone with the other gene(s) required for animus magic, and therefore her children did not inherit animus magic.
That's true! But Sunny has the animus gene, as her father does. But if she has no children that would end the nightwing animi line there. As there are no other confirmed children of Stonemover, and he likely had no other siblings in his hatching. So there goes the nightwing line after Sunny dies w/o kids. If Jerboa doesn't have kids, then she kills off the animi sandwing genes (that we know of). That leaves the seawings, all of which could have kids and pass on the gene. The most likely is that Anemone or Auklet will claim said throne after killing Coral, and all other princes may have children and pass off this gene. As we know, unless NONE of the seawings have kids, therefore murdering the royal line and animi line, then seawings might be the last tribe with animus magic (albeit technically bred into the tribe, but animi nonetheless.)
Nicoletta wrote: "MurderBasket is DeathBringer"I laughed out loud when I read that part in Dragonslayer.
There's a SilkWing wing in Burn's tower.
Ew- since when? I mean I’m not surprised.
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There was mention of a wingless pale dragonet in one of the books. (Forgot which one)
Hm- I’ll have to go recheck that then lol
If peril didn't have fire scales, the world would end
fox boi (aka james) wrote: "it feels like this "wrong
since the ice wings married into the sea wings for animous magic
did you know that in Wings of Fire book 3 graphic novel that when the mudwings come, and they all hide, you can find all the hiding spots except Starflight, because starflight probably just ran away, or hid in a tree like tsunami.you can see where Glory was, because she was outlined, tsunami was in a tree, sunny was behind glory and clay was in the mud lol
Icewings freeze the heads of dead royal family members and hang them on a wall (that is presumably in the Ice Palace somewhere)
Nightwings may have different scale tints depending on where they hatch.A nightwing's name might actually affect their skills, such as Fatespeaker having half-prophecy, or Quickstrike and Deathbringer being assassins, or Secretkeeper keeping Moon secret, or Mastermind being smart, or Clearsight being able to see the future, or..(not wanting to ramble on)
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Isabella wrote: "Actually Fatepseaker can apparently feel emotions, from almost hatching under one moon. Not see the future"Wait really? I had no idea that Fatespeaker was an Empath! where did you get this from?
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Nicoletta wrote: "and mentioned in the Dark Secret"where? sorry I don't have the book in front of me. I thought Fatespeaker had some kind of halfway-prophecy where she could see some things, but not truly see the future, like when she predicts that Starflight will be a part of her destiny (which according to the vision Darkstalker shows Moon, is probably true), and when she says that the hidden tunnel will lead the two to Battlewinner, which it does. can you give me a page number?
I can totally see where you could see that, she was born under two full moons but she was with the talons of peace, so she didn't FULLY get the power. I believe Tui confirmed that she was an Empath, (essentially weak-mind reading.) She also may have weak fore-sight, which you said you thought. So you are technically right. Plus, she has the markings of a reader and seer. (The teardrop scales and the armbands)
Plus, a surprising amount of her predictions WERE true!
Plus, a surprising amount of her predictions WERE true!
Crazy Boye [ALT acc] wrote: "I can totally see where you could see that, she was born under two full moons but she was with the talons of peace, so she didn't FULLY get the power. I believe Tui confirmed that she was an Empath..."I guess it's harder to articulate in writing that Fatespeaker can also feel other dragon emotions than have her spout predictions that may or may not come true.
Crazy Boye [ALT acc] wrote: "I can totally see where you could see that, she was born under two full moons but she was with the talons of peace, so she didn't FULLY get the power. I believe Tui confirmed that she was an Empath..."this also supports my theory that Nightwing names actually have an effect on the dragonets.
Just searched up the term "Is Fatespeaker..."
A lot of people got the idea that she's Starflight's sister for some reason. I know she's not, but it must have been searched up.
ok, i am searching up every main character's name to see what Google suggests.....someone had a theory on why Moonwatcher could be a hybrid, citing that Anemone's spell in Darkness of Dragons didn't send her away. I consider this theory a plot hole and nothing else
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Prophecy and mind reading have the same markings, as far as I can tell
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anyway.....google says Winter and Qibli are both bisexual
Icewings freeze the heads of dead royal family members and hang them on a wall (that is presumably somewhere in the Ice Palace)
Isabella wrote: "I don’t think Clearsight has silver teardrop markings."
that's because she's a future-seer, not a mind reader.
Mindreaders have the teardrops scales (e.g. Moonwatcher and Darkstalker)
And I've figured out that prophet dragons do NOT have the silver armbands, and yet fatespeaker is extra sparkly and has very waterdown versions of the real powers. I've figured this out due to the fact that Clearsight doesn't have the armband(s)
that's because she's a future-seer, not a mind reader.
Mindreaders have the teardrops scales (e.g. Moonwatcher and Darkstalker)
And I've figured out that prophet dragons do NOT have the silver armbands, and yet fatespeaker is extra sparkly and has very waterdown versions of the real powers. I've figured this out due to the fact that Clearsight doesn't have the armband(s)
It makes sense that the teardrop markings only denote mind reading, as Clearsight, upon meeting Principal Truthfinder, notes his teardrops specifically as the mark of a mind reader
Wren might have saved Qibli from getting killed by Sandstorm. She points out that the dragon that Sandstorm was choking was young, and the “swagger” part matches Qibli’s personality, for the most part.
Winter and Qibli are the two Wof characters with the most fans. Winterwatcher vs Moonbli is the defining “fight-starter” here. Am I wrong?
List of all the commanding officers for each tribe that we actually hear about:-General Needle of the Sandwings, who was succeeded by General Six-Claws, who was replaced by General Sandstorm, who died, and after Thorn became queen, she likely gave Six-Claws his old position back.
-Never hear about one for the Skywings
-Commander Tempest of the Seawings, was killed by an assassin. King Gill ran the war with Commander Shark after her death.
-General Tsunami, a Seawing, commands the Rainwing "army"
-Morrowseer was probably this for the Nightwings
-General Ivory of the Icewings
-Queen Moorhen likely commanded the war personally
There is an art typo in the Moon Rising graphic novel: the chibi dragon outlines shown while Kinkajou is explaining the winglets switch the identifiers for the sandwing and mudwing silhouettes
Green eyes in Nightwings is quite rare, so guess what Starflight is!
JustRae wrote: "Green eyes in Nightwings is quite rare, so guess what Starflight is!"What?
That's not lazy. Minor characters are often unnamed. Plus, Darkstalker Legends was pretty long, and naming all characters would take forever. And that's the same in many books. And in real life. Her teacher only appeared a few times, mostly by mentions. Not important enough to name. It's actually suprisingly difficult to make a name for a wof character.
I find it extremely rude that you called an author with an about 20 book series franchise "lazy." I doubt you could do any better. That's hippocracy. You don't have the right to judge an awarded author for not naming an extremely minor characters.