"Future of Another Timeline" by Annalee Newitz (BR)

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

Hello all!

Several folks wanted to read or have read and wanted to discuss this book. We didn't nail down a time, so I'm just going for it.

Please use spoiler tags and indicate where in the book you are.

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

I have finished and want to discuss the end. Where my buddies at?

[Dawn F]

Me too lol.

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

Yay! We can at least get going.

Spoilers for ending:

(view spoiler)[ What did you think of the assassin bit and why Tess can't go home? (hide spoiler)]

[Dawn F]

Goddammit you’re making me fire up my crappy old laptop to read this, aren’t you XD

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

Haha I can err...message you, instead if you'd prefer? Or you can use the mobile web page rather than the damned app.

[Pixiegirl105]

ooooo I just checked out this book yesterday. I'll make sure to tell you what i think :)

[Dawn F]

Alright, I'm finally on a computer:
(view spoiler)[I liked Beth's story and personal growth a *lot*, that part of the book was really what kept me going. I think it was lost on me how it related to Tess's story, though.

Speaking of the assassin bit, I'm not a fan of planned murder, even for a greater good, but also, don't they discuss in the book that you can't kill Hitler because there would just be another Hitler, his cousin, or someone else? Or did I read it somewhere else? Either way, thinking they can just kill one person and it would solve all the problems just seems like a cheap cop-out in an otherwise well thought out timeywimey plot.

I must say the plot lost me around the ending. Maybe it was too rushed or so abrupt. What happened with Tess?? I feel like I missed something XD (hide spoiler)]

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

(view spoiler)[ Yeah, I was confused, too. It sounds like Newitz is saying that actually, great men can't be killed because they have too much momentum around them, but smaller people who can also do a lot of harm are totally fair game, which...yeah, I have a hard time with that. It'd be one thing if they weren't time travelers with the ability to purposefully stalk folks. But planned murder is not something I'm okay with having individuals take on.

Tess becomes an assassin of al-Lat, Beth goes on to have a regular life in geosciences we're left to assume, and everything else is "normal?" I guess?

Also, how can Tess be an assassin if she gets debilitating headaches when she changes direct histories? And why didn't her insurance friend, who's killed a lot of people it sounds like (man, there were a lot of serial killers in this book!) have *any* side effects? (hide spoiler)]

[Travis]

(view spoiler)[ I wonder if the argument was less specific: more like a nudge to the Left that sometimes we should be considering alternatives to nonviolence -- or, at least, not place nonviolence into a sacrosanct bubble that protects it from scrutiny. There have been lots of histories lately rethinking the significance of Black violence and gun ownership within the U.S. civil rights movement (e.g. We Will Shoot Back: Armed Resistance in the Mississippi Freedom Movement). I guess I thought of the ending more as a general opening for thought along those lines than as a prescription for specific political action. (hide spoiler)]

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

Travis:

(view spoiler)[ I think it is intended to demonstrate that exactly, that sometimes violence IS the solution. My problem with that as a message in this book is two-pronged:

First, we see that murder is also a tool of capitalism with the claims "adjuster" character, which suggests that this tool becomes useful for oppressive purposes much easier than it gets used for let's call them harm reduction purposes. I think this was meant to sort of demonstrate that "the other side" uses this technique to good effect, but the way we learn about it makes this feel more like a "become what you hate" moment rather than a "use the tools of the oppressor against them" one, for me.

Second, I don't know that I think it does a good job dealing with the difference between handling a crisis with violence in the linear moment and calling a hit on someone at the remove of hundreds of years. For example, it'd have been much more compelling for me if Tess had been able to keep living in her time period, with occasional visits from the priestesses etc. to say "hey, you might want to check out so and so" where so and so might end up being someone who needs to be protected or someone who needs to be exterminated, but allowing that to occur in real time.

This "go back and kill Hitler" method is really tough to sell because it lacks the immediate danger, for one, and for two, it sounds like this group doesn't believe in assassinating "great men" only "dangerous men" and...hoo boy. That might make some modicum of sense in linear time where you can't stop the things that make people do monstrous things. But *with* time travel, the implications really get wild. Can she kill a radicalized person's parent for denying them education which would allow them to overcome the poverty that made them desperate? How about the radicalized person's abuser? What about the abuser's abuser? How far do we go back? When is assassination just plain ol' murder? (hide spoiler)]

[Travis]

Allison, I love all of those points. Helps clarify what the novel's politics -- or political strategies. Thanks!

[Pixiegirl105]

Okay, I finished it and took a few days to digest how I felt about the book. (view spoiler)[ First I have to say that I like how this addresses the idea that changing the timeline does not exactly make it the "same" timeline as Tess' character can no longer really exist in the new timeline she made for herself. The reason she can live in the past versus the future is that by being in the past, she does not have to be around anything that would trigger the split memories that she has. Hence get her as far away from her future as possible. Only people who were not in the future would be unaware of the changes in the timeline. As she was there for the change, when Beth leaves her at the party, she remembers everything that was changed as well as everything that is new.

I didn't find anything really a problem with her becoming an assassin at the end of the novel. Basically one could think of her as an editor of time to make sure that bad edits didn't make it though. At the end I felt like she became her whole self again because the whole novel she was denying that essential part of her. Her rage. She always tried to a better person because of what happened to Beth. However, once Beth was saved, she was able to release some of that guilt and become who she was before but with an actual purpose.

The Great Man theory is pretty good and maybe by manipulating the people around a person, they might not have the support that they needed to further their cause that were detrimental. Think of if Hitler had been provided encouragement in his paintings. He might have had a full other timeline where he was a starving artist instead of a dictator. There are many ways that history could be changed by taking out the right person without them being a "Great Man."

The whole meme idea was annoying to me personally. I get that i how people reach people now, but still thinking of things in the idea of memes was annoying to me. (Maybe I'm just finally hitting old? lol)

The reason I needed time to digest was that there was some definite parts that weren't the most comfortable to me like the whole Grape Ape calling for the Sluts and Hoes. lol. Sometimes I think that reclaiming these are good for women. Sometimes I think it isn't helping women at all to think of themselves like that. That was probably the part that was the most annoying about the book in my opinion. I felt like it was bit of a conflicting message to the women empowerment in the rest of the book.
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[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

Thank you for all that, Pixiegirl! I really like your interpretation of the end--makes total sense to me!

The Grape Ape thing feels very of its time lol. That particular era had a lot of that going around :) I'm glad that's not the norm either.

[Pixiegirl105]

Hi Allison,

Glad that my interpretation helps! :) Oh I know that the punk of the 90's was much like that. However, I don't think that it really helps when someone is talking about how they are a Slut in the Punk sense and someone who isn't aware of the correct interpretation of it hears it. :) That's why it was something that still makes me uncomfortable. I get how that can completely come off as the wrong thing. It was a good effort at women empowerment, but as we could see from Beth's story; it did not always have the effect that was looked for.

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

Yeah, re-appropriation can be a tricky subject, and I can understand why you'd bee uncomfortable with it :)

[Pixiegirl105]

Something I really liked was the description of Enid's relationship. I liked seeing it treated as normal relationship rather than the usual way that the LBQT+ community is written in many other books. Less of this is an exotic relationship and instead she was celebrating the mundane portions. Which is really what relationships are about, the familiarity of the person you are with. :)

[Rachel]

So I was in the bookstore wondering if I should splurge on this and I managed to open it right to a truly horrific ‘abortion’ scene. I did not buy it- but now I have to ask if I should read it....is most of the book this level of traumatic? ?

[Ryan, Your favourite moderators favourite moderator]

I'm on chapter 7. Nothing about this has grabbed me yet. Annoyed with the pop culture references standing in as a personality for the protagonist and carrying more of the world building burden than I enjoy.

[Joelle.P.S]

I was captivated from quite early in the book. Because I had other reading commitments/deadlines, I parceled this book out, reading only 3 chapters at a time for the first several days, which seemed to work well. I sped up toward the end. So did the plot, so that was awkward. Finished yesterday, still digesting.

[Ryan, Your favourite moderators favourite moderator]

Chapter 9

(view spoiler)[Some good news in that Aseel and Soph's conspiring at the end of chapter 7 piqued my interest.

Writing like this already feels dated though.

"Was I going crazy, or was he playing a Ke$ha song? I bobbed my head and tried to recall the lyrics to “Take It Off,” until they blurred in my mind with the lyrics to a song we sang as children: “There’s a place in France where the women wear no pants…” I couldn’t believe it. Had Sol Bloom invented a tune that would last for generations, and become synonymous with both strippers and shitty Orientalist tropes? I pondered. More likely, he was playing a variation on a tune that some anonymous keyboard-tickler had written. Still, he was transplanting it into a new context. I was actually here for the origin of a meme. This was the kind of thing that got you published in Nature."

To my knowledge I've never heard a Ke$ha song so I'm once again reminded that I'm not the target audience. It's irritating as there are many books about cultures I was ignorant of that are written in a way that drew me in while educating. This definitely isn't one of those. (hide spoiler)]

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

Ryan (re spoiler for Ch. 9):

(view spoiler)[ I think this is meant to speak directly to (mostly) American millennial women right now. A lot of the references and cultural notes are highly coded to mean something to people in that group, in a way that felt to me somewhere between subversive and in-group only. So, I can see how it would not work for a lot of people. She is trying to capture a feeling and wanted to do it immediately while it was being felt rather than work on it to make others feel the way she felt while writing it. (hide spoiler)]

Rachel, re the scene you read (not a real spoiler, but I'll keep it in tags) (view spoiler)[ That is one of the most horrific in the book. The first half is really, really tough. But the back half of the book is much more hopeful. I still would recommend reading cautiously, if you so choose. (hide spoiler)]

[Gabi]

Regarding pop culture: :D there has to come along such an ignorant reader as I am who thought that the bands and songs were all made up for some parallel reality and therefore wasn't bothered at all :D

[Ryan, Your favourite moderators favourite moderator]

I recently listened to a podcast about Comstock and his (abhorrent) moral crusade of censorship via the US postal system, which readers of this book may enjoy.

Talking Politics December 26th episode

https://pca.st/episode/04f7c83e-83b0-...

[Ryan, Your favourite moderators favourite moderator]

For me the annoyance comes in instances like 'His blond hair was currently spiked in an embarrassing imitation of Billy Idol.' where I have to head to Google because Billy Idol was apparently in seclusion during my formative years. (And the only Punk my interests ever included was Daft). I'm not enjoying the story enough yet for it to be setting me such homework. A lot of names get mentioned in that or similar ways which is a fairly natural manner of speaking but, as I said elsewhere, it screams 'THIS BOOK ISN'T MEANT FOR YOU' when I come across them.

It doesn't make the book bad. I don't have a problem with art not being all inclusive. A bit of exclusivity is something I've championed in the past and will no doubt do so again in the future. Unfortunately, in this case it goes against me.

Besides the scene setting pop culture references there's been Comstock, (view spoiler)[two gruesome deaths (three if you include Berenice's though it lacked the blow-by-blow of the other two), a fairly detailed abortion, and a fuzzily explained method of time travel that I'm happy to accept.<\spoiler> Interesting things have been mentioned but I'm waiting for them to be tackled. (hide spoiler)]

[Ryan, Your favourite moderators favourite moderator]

Finished chapter 16 and (view spoiler)[it's getting going. Beth meeting Tess again has me considering sharing a story about teenage Ryan.
Morehshin's introduction is interesting. It's looked for awhile that the book was going to be about time traveling assassins and it's finally happening. The conversation about killing Comstock and whether it will change history reminds me of Congo's first elected Prime Minister after gaining independence, Lumumba. A socialist who was assassinated and replaced by a man more amenable to Western influences. (The Belgian government apologised for their role in his death at the turn of the millennium). So yeah, killing one individual can change the course of history pretty drastically but it requires more than murder. (hide spoiler)]

There's hope yet that the book can get a 4 star rating.

[Pixiegirl105]

Ryan wrote: "For me the annoyance comes in instances like 'His blond hair was currently spiked in an embarrassing imitation of Billy Idol.' where I have to head to Google because Billy Idol was apparently in se..."

I agree with Allison in some way that this is a message to women. However, I do not think that only women should be able to connect to this. At the least, it can provide insight to some of the very real situations that happen to women. I have times where my friends (always men) use "rape" when gaming because something happened that they did not like. To them it is just a word. However, the stats are that if they know 4 girls, one of them at the very least has probably been raped and now would not be comfortable with them using the word casually. This book gives a bit of insight to some of what we are thinking as women due to the arbitrary laws that the powers that be have decided should be issued.

Maybe instead of connecting with it, use it as a teaching opportunity? I know I've read plenty of "guy" books out there to give me insight. :)

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

I may be speaking out of turn here, but I don't get the impression that's the part Ryan isn't understanding. Fear of being attacked is definitely not just a women-thing, (though ugh, yes, girl! Fight the gamer culture!) But I think the way the friends speak, the easy but still complicated sisterhood of women friends, the slang and culture references can really add a sense of nostalgia that is...maybe not always positive but quite visceral in any case. For some the messages seem to be sufficient tie-in. But I know for many the memories and lack of feeling a connection to the time period made this more of a re-opening of wounds than anything cathartic.

[Ryan, Your favourite moderators favourite moderator]

In addition to what Allison correctly surmised I'll say that (view spoiler)[whilst women are the overwhelming majority of victims of rape, sexual assault, and molestation that doesn't make them women's issue as it's men that often perpetrate these acts. By portraying them as women's issues that men can maybe learn from by listening / reading allows men to avoid taking responsibility. That's my perception, at least. Rape culture is far too prevalent for any adult with internet access to be ignorant of, although I'm aware that there are numerous individuals that would deny its existence.

There's a conversation to be had about the value of education in these matters. Many are convinced that highlighting the plight of oppressed and victimized individuals can bring about the end of their suffering, but I'm not one of them. We'd be rid of a lot of prejudices that are still thriving today if education was the answer. (hide spoiler)]

[Pixiegirl105]

Allison wrote: "I may be speaking out of turn here, but I don't get the impression that's the part Ryan isn't understanding. Fear of being attacked is definitely not just a women-thing, (though ugh, yes, girl! Fig..."

Yeah, I can totally see that as well. Which is why I also put it as insight on women. Or as I term it, research into helpful interpretation of how women interact with one another. Lmao!!!

[Pixiegirl105]

Ryan wrote: "In addition to what Allison correctly surmised I'll say that whilst women are the overwhelming majority of victims of rape, sexual assault, and molestation that doesn't make them women's issue as i..."

Rape was the easy example from the women's issues that I could grab from the book without really spoiling anything in the book. It was really not a women's versus men type thing that I was getting at as much as just trying to point out that some of the book has really good insight into many things that happen to women that we go through and many times without support systems from family. There are pretty good examples of that in the book. It was not really my idea that you or others educate yourself on the women's issues in the books as much as looking at it from the women's perspective that I was advising to insight. As Allison pointed out, the way that women talk with each other is completely different from how men talk with each other. I would say that there are many books where I didn't connect to the story or characters, but still read it because I wanted to determine what was important about the book. If that makes sense?

[Ryan, Your favourite moderators favourite moderator]

Pixiegirl105 wrote: "Okay, I finished it and took a few days to digest how I felt about the book. First I have to say that I like how this addresses the idea that changing the timeline does not exactly make it the "sa..."

In this post you wrote about your annoyance of the use of memes and acknowledge that it might just be a sign of you getting old. I speak of being alienated by the pop culture / punk references and somehow the issue is that men talk differently to one another than women do and the implication that I'm unaware of these extremely well discussed differences. You see the problem here, right?

[Pixiegirl105]

Ryan wrote: "Pixiegirl105 wrote: "Okay, I finished it and took a few days to digest how I felt about the book. First I have to say that I like how this addresses the idea that changing the timeline does not exa..."

Hello Ryan,

Let me preface this that I am not trying to cause any arguments or state in any way that you should read this book. I am only stating that it "could" provide you insight into the female world. Yes, I acknowledge that not all of the stuff in the book is relevant to me in regards to the newest lingo and whatnot. However, the undertones of the book is pretty standard for what generations of women have gone through. You could take out the memes part and it would still ring true.

If you don't think you want to finish the book then put it on the DNF. I was only stating that with the amount of books providing the male perspective in the world (check out the amount of books on a university list that has dead men for authors for instance) and there is a major discrepancy in how any other perspectives are being provided. That includes other cultures in addition to women. So in general, I think that it is good to try reading outside one's zone of comfort. This book was definitely out of my comfort zone in many ways, but I decided to press on. Not everyone will do that and that is completely fine. :)

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

I think Ryan is responding that he had an issue with the culture references and is confused why not getting the punk references means he must be clueless about the importance of this book as it relates to gender issues.

While I really liked the idea that sometimes books that might not mesh with us can be wonderful for understanding something else about society or the times or whatever else, I think the focus is getting a bit more personal and that isn't fair. Statistics are great to talk broadly about an issue, but are hard to use in individual cases as so many of us are exceptions to the rule in some form or other. Let's try to be sensitive of the different paths we might all be walking!

[Pixiegirl105]

Allison wrote: "I think Ryan is responding that he had an issue with the culture references and is confused why not getting the punk references means he must be clueless about the importance of this book as it rel..."

I think I misunderstood what he was saying he didn't understand due to the whole " I don't have a problem with art not being all inclusive. A bit of exclusivity is something I've championed in the past and will no doubt do so again in the future. Unfortunately, in this case it goes against me." Lmao! I was thinking art as in the book...not the punk scene. my bad! /\0/\

[Allison, Fairy Mod-mother]

Ah that makes sense to me, thanks for clarifying! All good here, I jump in when I see miscommunications happening and I know what both folks mean. I think you and Ryan rather agree about the difficulty with the time period vs. the importance of the subject matter.

[Ryan, Your favourite moderators favourite moderator]

I finished the book yesterday and gave it a 3.5 star rating.

It might seem to some that I'm making a big deal about the use of pop culture references but Punk rock was almost as prominent a character in this story as Beth and Tess were. It went beyond scene setting / simple world building as Annalee was tying the rebelious lyrics and overall nature of it with the fight that Tess dedicated her life too. That her (view spoiler)[ favorite bands music disappeared as a result of the edit removing what the songs were rebelling against (hide spoiler)] has less impact without the Punk scenes prominence.

It wasn't like The Martian, which I recently read, where the many pop culture references are mere attempts at humour that aim to humanize the protagonist whether you recognize the reference or not.

(It's a lot easier to talk about this facet of the book than the other issues that I'll steer clear of out of cowardice/assumed mass agreement)

[Bonnie]

through Chapter 19
(view spoiler)[It is interesting to read a time travel book where they can fairly easily make changes to the Timeline. It is pretty unsettling to be aware that things you know or people you love could just be "edited" at any time. The whole "What do you mean, why was I there? Berenice sent me" and then realizing Berenice was... gone.

I don't think the book has said how they enforce the rules or laws of the Chronology Academy nations. If someone does tell a local person the future, or meets an earlier version of themself, or does try to assassinate someone... How would law enforcement find out, and what is the punishment?

I like how the Daughters of Harriet have a cover as a scientific org, Applied Cultural Geology Group. Heh.

There is something about Beth's dad that really gives me the chills. OK he is abusive and getting worse... that scene at the La Brea Tar Pits, when he lied to the friendly Ph.D. lady: Shiver.
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[SFFBC, Ancillary Mod]

New BR starting in September :)

[Mareike]

Looking forward to starting this BR tomorrow, Sept. 9!

Please use chapter numbers and spoiler tags for your comments.

[Mareike]

Chapter 2 (view spoiler)[Okay. Wow. I did not see that development coming. I mean, clearly something was gonna happen to Scott, I just didn’t think it was gonna be Lizzy killing him to defend Heather. That makes the line The punk scene, once my inspiration, now looked like a bunch of future bankers and tech executives learning how to harass women. pack even more of a punch. (hide spoiler)]

I’m only two chapters in, so this might change, but I really like the structure so far. (view spoiler)[Having Tess with all the future and travel-related knowledge and Beth who seems not to travel is gonna be interesting. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 6 (view spoiler)[I was wondering what had happened to Beth and why she wasn’t around in Tess’s future when starting this chapter - at least as far as I know right now - and now I’m very worried for her. She’s had (presumably) unprotected sex and lives in a version of 90s U.S. where abortion is illegal. This could go very badly very quickly. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 8 (view spoiler)[Well, called it, I guess. (Not that it was super hard to do that.) I didn’t expect Lizzy to say “Let’s talk to my Mom” either. BUT I do think her Mom is also a traveler, based on everything we’ve heard about her/Lizzy’s parents in general. But especially cause Beth thinks she looks older than the last time she saw her.
How long have the Daughters of Harriet been around for? (hide spoiler)]

More general observation on names: (view spoiler)[It strikes me that “Lizzy”, “Beth”, and “Tess” are all nicknames for “Elizabeth”, which sure is an interesting coincidence…. (hide spoiler)]

[Mareike]

Allison wrote: "Ryan (re spoiler for Ch. 9):

[spoilers removed] …"

@Allison and @Ryan (re: Ch. 9) (view spoiler)[I had to look up both songs cause I didn’t know the Ke$ha one. I may have heard the other one before, but I’m not sure.

In some ways, I think alternate histories like this one always run the risk of giving references that will become dated. But on the other hand, they do need to anchor their works in the “present” somehow. So I’m not too bothered by this.

I think I get what you mean, Allison, but this chapter worked for me, even though I didn’t immediately recognize the songs. I can definitely see an added depth to it after looking them up, though. Especially considering the through-line of the sexualization of women’s bodies and how presenting your body in certain ways can be both empowering (as it seems to be for Aseel - “This was a body that would resist them if they dared to approach it. She swayed and flexed and showed her strength.”) or constraining, locking people into new/different ways of exploitation. (hide spoiler)]

[Mareike]

Chapter 10 (view spoiler)[So, I had so far bern assuming that Lizzy and Tess are the same person, but after Beth encounteted the steange woman, I wonder if Beth and Tess are.

I'm also still struck by the nickames all being versions of Elizabeth. But I can't see how this would be a multiple persondlity kind of thing..... (MPD is probably just on mymind cause I listenedto the Your Wrong About episode onthat yesterday.)


I really liked the mention of "Fast Car" in this chapter. Both for the...."resonances" in the story and cause I have loved Tracy Chapman's music since I was a teen. (hide spoiler)]

[Olga]

I thought we were to start on Sept. 19, engulfed in Atlas Shrugged at the moment, will start reading the BR as soon as I'm done.

[Nicol]

I tried with the audio book but I just can't with the narrator so I am going to see if I can find it to eye read and try again later.

[Bonnie]

I read this but I think I read too many time travel books bunched together--
The Future of Another Timeline
The Psychology of Time Travel and
This is How You Lose the Time War
now I can't remember any of them as clearly as I should

Also One Day All This Will Be Yours
that had main male protagonist though (plus (view spoiler)[a dinosaur (hide spoiler)])

[Mareike]

Olga wrote: "I thought we were to start on Sept. 19, engulfed in Atlas Shrugged at the moment, will start reading the BR as soon as I'm done."

I’d originally suggested Sept. 19th, but then we settled on Sept. 9th.

I’ll happily read your thoughts whenever you get to it!

Nicol wrote: "I tried with the audio book but I just can't with the narrator so I am going to see if I can find it to eye read and try again later."

I hope you can find a print version!

[Ryan, Your favourite moderators favourite moderator]

Bonnie wrote: "I read this but I think I read too many time travel books bunched together--
The Future of Another Timeline
The Psychology of Time Travel and
[book:This is How You ..."

The first is about (view spoiler)[women who go back in time to stop the group of Insecure men that follow the lead of a guy named Comstock who bragged about forcing a woman to commit suicide.

Psychology is basically a murder mystery and time war is made up of love letters.
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[Mareike]

Chapter 29 (view spoiler)[Oh my God, it worked!!

I kept thinking about the day he drove me to the abortion clinic, right after he got back from Disney World.

I basically did a double take at this sentence, going 'No that's not what happened' before I caught on. The timeline actually changed!
Okay, yeah, still not a utopia, sounds more like a pre-2022 US (it sucks to type that) given the mention of Planned Parenthood and protesters a few lines down. But still. (hide spoiler)]

Chapter 32 (view spoiler)[And then I said the words I’d dreamed about for so long. “I remember a timeline where abortion was illegal.”


Followed by

”Holy shit,” Enid stared at us. “All of you remember a timeline where abortion was illegal in 2022?”

is too much. (hide spoiler)]