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message 801: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14250 comments Mod
I read Proust every night for a year, as I recall. I missed him so much when I finished, but he was definitely bedtime reading.


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Roman Clodia | 12068 comments Mod
That's a nice way of reading Proust, Susan. I'm more impatient to find out how things develop - now on vol. 5 The Prisoner and love that we're back in the narrator's obsessive head. Oddly, the supposedly 'slow' parts of the sequence overall are the ones that I prefer. Have to smile that the narrator is just a smidgen away from becoming a pathological stalker!


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Chrissie | 1869 comments Proust wasn't for me either -- read only the first book!


Elizabeth (Alaska) I am currently reading Quicksand by Nella Larsen. She was an author of the Harlem Renaissance.


message 805: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14250 comments Mod
Judy was responsible for my trying Proust. I am very thankful she gave me the literary 'push.' :)


Elizabeth (Alaska) He's gotten a lot more attention since the 1001 Books You Should Read Before You Die came out. There was a group on Goodreads A Year of Reading Proust. I think there were many, like you Susan, who appreciated the "push".


message 807: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 12068 comments Mod
I bought Proust when I was an undergrad but never got round to reading him till a year or two back when I did the first two volumes but then other stuff got in the way. It's definitely worked for me going back to him now since working from home and no commute has translated into extra reading time for me. We're clearly all different types of reader but pushing through the books in one go is working best for me - with two volumes to go, the end is in sight!


message 808: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14250 comments Mod
I did join one of the Year of Reading Proust groups, but I didn't keep up with the reading schedule. However, I did keep going and I really missed reading him, when I got to the end.


message 809: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 12068 comments Mod
Susan wrote: "I really missed reading him, when I got to the end."

Yes, his prose is quite hypnotic, once you succumb to the flow.


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Chrissie | 1869 comments The First Mrs. Rothschild by Sara Aharoni is both about the Rothschild dynasty and the life of Jews in Frankfurt, Germany, in the 1700s. It is good. I liked it.

My review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

I have begun Men at Arms by Evelyn Waugh. It is the first of the Sword of Honour Trilogy. Although fictional, it has to some extent autobiographical content. I am reading this b/c a number of group members have recommended it.


message 811: by Judy (new)

Judy (wwwgoodreadscomprofilejudyg) | 4841 comments Mod
Susan wrote: "Judy was responsible for my trying Proust. I am very thankful she gave me the literary 'push.' :)"

I hadn't remembered that, Susan - I knew we read it at the same time though, and enjoyed our discussions! I was very glad to have read it too. :)


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Chrissie | 1869 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "I am currently reading Quicksand by Nella Larsen. She was an author of the Harlem Renaissance."

I read Passing by Larsen and thought it was really good.


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Nigeyb | 15940 comments Mod
Chrissie wrote: "I have begun Men at Arms by Evelyn Waugh. It is the first of the Sword of Honour Trilogy. Although fictional, it has to some extent autobiographical content. I am reading this b/c a number of group members have recommended it."

Probably too late now Chrissie, however Sword of Honour was originally published as three separate volumes Men At Arms (1952), Officers and Gentlemen (1955), and Unconditional Surrender (1961)>

Waugh extensively revised these books to create a one-volume version 'Sword of Honour' in 1965, and it is this version that Waugh wanted people to read.

The Penguin Classics version of 'Sword of Honour', contains numerous informative and interesting footnotes and an introduction by Angus Calder, each time Waugh changed the text there is also a note. Most of sections that Waugh changed or removed was with a view to ensuring that his "hero" Guy Crouchback is perceived as more worldly and experienced than was the case in the original version of the books.


message 814: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14250 comments Mod
The Reading Gods have smiled upon us and Proust has appeared as an Audible Deal of the Day - should anyone be interested. Details in the Audible Thread.


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Chrissie | 1869 comments Nigeyb wrote: "Most of sections that Waugh changed or removed was with a view to ensuring that his "hero" Guy Crouchback is perceived as more worldly and experienced than was the case in the original version of the books."

I knew the three had been published together in one, but not what you say here. So he wanted to make readers were less critical of Guy? Is this what you mean?

Could you fill me in on another thing? Is Waugh critical of the Catholic religion and / or the Roman Catholic Church? Clearly, he is critical of military powers.

I didn't have any other choice than to read each book separately, a rather typical phenomenon at Audible. I have purchased all three. I don't like the narrator--Christian Rodska. He over-dramatizes, which is to say he exaggerates to make sure the listener understands what the author's words imply. The result is you have to hear disagreeable people screeching. Part of the fun of reading a book is analyzing the author's words. I don't like this being spelled out through a narrator's interpretation..... and sometimes narrators get it all wrong.


message 816: by Chrissie (last edited May 21, 2020 01:05AM) (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments Re Proust.

Are you interested in a funny story. When I was in Paris a number of years ago I was thinking of picking up the whole series in French. I had not read any yet, not even the first. So I asked the secondhand book dealer if the books really, REALLY, were good. Stupid of me to ask a French person, a bookseller and particularly a French bookseller. His reply was that they were magnificent. The books were expensive, so I used my head and decided to read one first, rather than immediately investing in a a whole bunch.


message 817: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 12068 comments Mod
Did Waugh also change Crouchback's age? I seem to remember that in one he was 35 and in the other closer to 40 but as I started reading Men At Arms and then switched, on Nigeyb's advice, to Sword of Honour I can't remember which way round it is.


message 818: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 12068 comments Mod
Susan wrote: "The Reading Gods have smiled upon us and Proust has appeared as an Audible Deal of the Day - should anyone be interested. Details in the Audible Thread."

If the narrator's right, I bet it works brilliantly on audio and could become an immersive experience.


message 819: by Chrissie (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments Roman Clodia wrote: "Did Waugh also change Crouchback's age? I seem to remember that in one he was 35 and in the other closer to 40 but as I started reading Men At Arms and then switched, on Nigeyb's advice, to Sword o..."

In Men at Arms, he is thirty five at the start. Maybe somebody who has read The Sword of Honour Trilogy knows how old he is said to be there. How long is the time period covered?


message 820: by Chrissie (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments Roman Clodia wrote: "Susan wrote: "The Reading Gods have smiled upon us and Proust has appeared as an Audible Deal of the Day - should anyone be interested. Details in the Audible Thread."

If the narrator's right, I b..."


It is not fun being immersed with disagreeable people though! Luckily the obnoxious person has topped talking.


message 821: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15940 comments Mod
I can't remember the detail of Sword of Honour now. I doubt he would be critical of Catholicism in the book - he isn't in his other works. As a convert he seemed to retain that zeal throughout his life.


message 822: by Chrissie (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments Nigeyb wrote: "I can't remember the detail of Sword of Honour now. I doubt he would be critical of Catholicism in the book - he isn't in his other works. As a convert he seemed to retain that zeal t..."

Thanks, makes sense what you say, but there are situations drawn where that intended is rather ambiguous. There was a statement about God not caring much about the continuation of an aristocratic family line. A reply is made that God cares even for sparrows. I was not sure what Waugh was trying to say. It was difficult to judge on which side he stood.


message 823: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 12068 comments Mod
Chrissie wrote: "There was a statement about God not caring much about the continuation of an aristocratic family line. A reply is made that God cares even for sparrows."

I don't remember this particular exchange either but perhaps it would be helpful to think about who is speaking? Not every, or even any, character is a direct mouthpiece for the author.

I struggled with the trilogy overall as I found myself at odds with Waugh's essentially reactionary and conservative politics - but there are some hilarious scenes which still make me smile in memory: the thunderbox!


message 824: by Chrissie (last edited May 21, 2020 05:28AM) (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments I agree. but I didn't know those speaking well enough at that point, It was of course a man of the clergy who mentioned the sparrows. In any case, I think Nigeyb is right, and I do tend to over analyze.......

YES, there are funny lines. You sort of get a British M*A*S*H!

I have just come to the "thunderbox". I am not yet clued in on what is going on.

And I should say I am now liking Christian Rodska 's narration. I do sometimes change my mind as I read, both about a book itself and its narration.


message 825: by Joy D (new)

Joy D | 10 comments Former high school football star Jack Burdette returns to his hometown of Holt, Colorado, in the 1980's, after an eight-year absence. Jack has alienated the townspeople due to his past actions. His friend, Pat Arbuckle, the local newspaper editor, tells the sad story of Jack’s rise and fall.

Where You Once Belonged by Kent Haruf - 3 stars - My Review


message 826: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 12068 comments Mod
Chrissie wrote: "and I do tend to over analyze......."

I don't think we can ever over-analyse a book! :)


message 827: by Judy (new)

Judy (wwwgoodreadscomprofilejudyg) | 4841 comments Mod
Interesting discussion - from memory, I would have said Waugh is quite critical of Catholicism at times in Brideshead Revisited, especially through the portrayal of Lady Marchmain.


message 828: by Brian E (last edited May 21, 2020 10:36AM) (new)

Brian E Reynolds | 1130 comments Joy D wrote: "Former high school football star Jack Burdette returns to his hometown of Holt, Colorado, in the 1980's, after an eight-year absence. Jack has alienated the townspeople due to his past actions. His..."

I'm a fan of Haruf's "clear, crisp" style. However, even though great writing can't totally save a badly drawn plot, it can make the trip a bit more pleasant and take a book from a 2 star to a 3 star read. Thanks for the review.


message 829: by Chrissie (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments Judy wrote: "Interesting discussion - from memory, I would have said Waugh is quite critical of Catholicism at times in Brideshead Revisited, especially through the portrayal of Lady Marchmain."

Thanks. I like hearing different ideas.


message 830: by Chrissie (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments I have completed the classic Men at Arms by Evelyn Waugh. It is the first in a series of three and so have continued immediately on to the next (Officers and Gentlemen).

My review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...


message 831: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 12068 comments Mod
Ah, I've finished Proust! By the time I got to the end, I understood those people who reread it endlessly, we're sort of invited to start again now that we understand the end point.

As a contrast, I'm starting Simenon's Three Bedrooms in Manhattan - something short!


message 832: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14250 comments Mod
I did download the Audible version. I am afraid, though, that if I even start to listen to it, I will get hooked... I loved it, but it's very, very long.


message 833: by Roman Clodia (new)

Roman Clodia | 12068 comments Mod
... and the audio even longer. I'd also be tempted as it would be exactly the kind of thing I'd love while commuting. I think rereading would be a different experience from reading the first time, as we know how it all fits together now. I'd be interested in how you find the narrator.


message 834: by Judy (new)

Judy (wwwgoodreadscomprofilejudyg) | 4841 comments Mod
I've started reading Red Plenty: Inside the Fifties' Soviet Dream ready for our next group read - although I still have several previous group books on the go too.


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Joy D | 10 comments Published in 1962, this classic historical fiction provides a look at the era of "gunboat diplomacy" in China in the 1920's. Though it is focused on an American protagonist, a good number of British characters and ships are included:

The Sand Pebbles by Richard McKenna - 4 stars - My Review


Elizabeth (Alaska) Joy D wrote: "Published in 1962, this classic historical fiction provides a look at the era of "gunboat diplomacy" in China in the 1920's. Though it is focused on an American protagonist, a good number of Britis..."

I almost remember the film, starring my heart throb Steve McQueen.


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Annabel Frazer | 82 comments I've just finished The Lost Future Of Pepperharrow by Natasha Pulley. The Lost Future of Pepperharrow (The Watchmaker of Filigree Street, #2) by Natasha Pulley

I've read all three of Pulley's novels, which are densely-plotted, slightly supernatural affairs set in the 19th century, with murky Victorian fogs and exotic foreign climes. I enjoy them a lot although they can also be frustratingly over-complicated. What I find interesting about all Pulley's books is that the main characters are always Empire-building, adventurous men. It's like reading John Buchan or Biggles. There's barely a woman to be seen and they are usually conveyed as charmless and unsympathetic. In these #MeToo times, this is very, very unusual.

On the plus side, there's also an adorable clockwork octopus.


message 838: by Chrissie (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments I have completed Officers and Gentlemen, the second in a trilogy by Evelyn Waugh.

My review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

I have quit Waugh's trilogy after the second book and gone on to a book by Émile Zola--The Masterpiece. I am liking it a lot.


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Alejandro (huqhuhu) | 18 comments Reading Silver by Norma Fox Mazer (YA). Psychology for Dummies.
Silver (Sarabeth, #1) by Norma Fox Mazer Psychology for Dummies by Adam Cash


message 840: by Joy D (last edited May 25, 2020 09:21AM) (new)

Joy D | 10 comments Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Joy D wrote: "Published in 1962, this classic historical fiction provides a look at the era of "gunboat diplomacy" in China in the 1920's. Though it is focused on an American protagonist, a good nu..."
Yes, the movie is on this weekend on TCM (for Memorial Day)! I recorded it since I've not seen it before. Talk about timing!

Just finished a book published in 1993 and set in and around the Orkney Islands. The writing is lovely. It is really a better book than my 3-star "personal enjoyment" rating implies (literary quality is excellent).

Vinland by George Mackay Brown - 3 stars - My Review


message 841: by Tania (last edited May 25, 2020 10:02AM) (new)

Tania | 1240 comments I've started Peking Picnic Peking Picnic by Ann Bridge by Ann Bridge. I haven't read any of hers yet, but I've been meaning to read Illyrian Spring for a long time. I picked this one up in a charity shop shortly before they were closed down.


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Joy D | 10 comments Just finished this classic, published in 1989 and set in 1956. I am not sure how I missed reading this before now:

The Remains of the Day by Kazuo Ishiguro - 5 stars - My Review


message 843: by Nigeyb (new)

Nigeyb | 15940 comments Mod
An absolute classic Joy - I love it too


message 844: by Hugh (new)

Hugh (bodachliath) | 789 comments It has been a few weeks since I posted any reviews here. In that time, I have largely been catching up on books that have been waiting on the to-read shelf for a while, along with a couple of new ones I couldn't resist.

At Hawthorn Time by Melissa Harrison   My review

Scenes from a Childhood by Jon Fosse   My review

Saving Lucia by Anna Vaught   My review

The Loser by Thomas Bernhard   My review

Handiwork by Sara Baume   My review

Mothlight by Adam Scovell   My review

The Philosopher's Pupil by Iris Murdoch   My review

Forensic Songs by Mike McCormack   My review

Generosity by Richard Powers   My review

Djinn Patrol on the Purple Line by Deepa Anappara   My review


message 845: by Joy D (new)

Joy D | 10 comments Thanks for the reviews, Hugh.

I just finished this Pulitzer Prize winner published in 1974 about the American Civil War Battle of Gettysburg:
The Killer Angels by Michael Shaara - 3 stars - My Review


message 846: by Chrissie (last edited May 27, 2020 09:52AM) (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments At the moment I am crazy about the author Émile Zola. This month I have read two of his and both I have given four stars. Years ago I read the wrong one. This got me off track.

My review of The Masterpiece: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

After immediately closing one book by Émile Zola, I have picked up another, this time it's The Drinking Den / L'Assommoir. I think it will be a buddy read later this year, but I didn't want to wait.


message 847: by Susan (new)

Susan | 14250 comments Mod
I am reading 1913 The Defiant Swan Song 1913 The Defiant Swan Song by Virginia Cowles
It looks at the year from the perspective of various cities: London, Berlin, St Petersburg, Vienna, Rome, Paris and New York. It is a bit of an over-view, but very readable and enjoyable.


message 848: by Jan C (new)

Jan C (woeisme) | 1655 comments Susan wrote: "I am reading 1913 The Defiant Swan Song 1913 The Defiant Swan Song by Virginia Cowles
It looks at the year from the perspective of various cities: London, Berlin, St Petersburg, V..."


Another surprise on my kindle shelf.


message 849: by Joy D (new)

Joy D | 10 comments Published in 1965, this book is a deep character study on timeless themes about an American university professor's (mostly sad) life, covering turn of the 20th century until his death. It is beautifully written:

Stoner by John Williams - 4 stars - My Review


message 850: by Chrissie (new)

Chrissie | 1869 comments Another Zola for me. This time it has been The Drinking Den / L'Assommoir

My review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

Now I have begun How I Became Hettie Jones by of course Hettie Jones, a female author of the Beat Generation. Having enjoyed Come and Join the Dance by Joyce Johnson, I have wanted to try another female author of the period.


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