Allegiant question

i think it was an incredibly crappy way to end the series and in all honesty i didnt really like much about this book for a lot of reasons that i wont go into right now, but my biggest issue was HOW it happened. with all the times she survived in so many other life-threatening scenarios, this just didnt seem believable to me that it couldve happened that simply. i couldve accepted it if it had been done because she died for a greater cause, or if the way she died had been believable but this just seemed pointless except to not allow for a happily ever after being that it was supposed to be dystopian. that didnt sit well with me.

as for other series, i havent come across too many others that this has occurred. i am curious to know what else aside from game of thrones? with that series i think it is more believable that a lot of main characters die.

I don't know why...but it's not fun to figure out the MAIN CHARACTER/NARRATOR of the story just died. I mean, why do authors do that!!!!!!!

As an English major I had to read WAY too many books/poems/short stories in which the main characters died, and, contrary to the belief of many a critic and professor, this did not make the literature either superior OR avante garde. When we live in a world where internet access has allowed increasingly dismal news to filter through to our brains and emotions, WHY is it so terrible to give us reading material that defies this? THAT to me is avante garde.

I would be happy to add my bookish two cents. In the 12 common Archetypes of literature, Tris is the rebel.
Motto: Rules are made to be broken
Core desire: revenge or revolution
Goal: to overturn what isn't working
Greatest fear: to be powerless or ineffectual
Strategy: disrupt, destroy, or shock
Weakness: crossing over to the dark side, crime
Talent: outrageousness, radical freedom
The Outlaw is also known as: The rebel, revolutionary, wild man, the misfit, or iconoclast.

Due to her never ending need to overturn the imprisonment of the governing system she was born into, Tris has to die in battle or become the bitter broken down warrior we see in Four's Mother. Yes, Four fell for the Mother he longed for his entire life.

I know it is sad to see a favorite character perish but I am happy the author extended our peek into this world with the novel "Four". Now we get to see how the sage (Motto: The truth will set you free
Core desire: to find the truth.
Goal: to use intelligence and analysis to understand the world.
Biggest fear: being duped, misled—or ignorance.
Strategy: seeking out information and knowledge; self-reflection and understanding thought processes.
Weakness: can study details forever and never act.
Talent: wisdom, intelligence.
The Sage is also known as: The expert, scholar, detective, advisor, thinker, philosopher, academic, researcher, thinker, planner, professional, mentor, teacher, contemplative.)
saw his imprisonment as well as life after liberation.

This is all just an opinion. Feel free to explore your own.

I don't mind characters dying, including main characters, it adds a vulnerability to the character, showing they're not superhero and immune to death. It's the reason why I love games of thrones because it keeps you guessing and keeps the tension because anything can happen.

But Tris's death felt forced like it was the only way to spice up an otherwise dull ending, and nothing to do with realism.

Why do you have to put a huge fucking spoiler out there in the first line without warning? It's no fun...

I'm trying to think of another really popular series where the main character dies...
Harry Potter: Nope
Hunger Games: Nope
Twilight: Nope
Maze Runner: Eh, maybe, but it's not THE main character
Inheritance Series: Nope
Percy Jackson: Nope
Heroes of Olympus: Haven't read it yet ;)
Legend: Nope

The major exception here is Game of Thrones (which I hear kills off every character you ever love), but the death of a main character is neither a new concept, nor a widely embraced one.

Also, love Duane's post. But it's something we desperately need in the case of the Maximum Ride series.

i hate that main characters i attach to dies.

I can see what you're saying, but I can't think of any other popular books that kill off the main character (with the exception of Game of Thrones).

I, personally, didn't mind her death. The probability of her surviving through everything she had been through was starting to get insane. It was getting very unrealistic.

That being said, I did have an issue with how she died, because it was still kind of unrealistic. Tris surviving the death serum made her seem invincible. It was as if she wasn't even human anymore.

I feel like Allegiant didn't have the best-written ending, I don't think it was particularly well-written, but I think the point behind it was brilliant. Throughout the whole series, Tris's main problem (Government aside) was that she didn't know where she belonged, Abnegation, Dauntless, or Divergent. In the end, she died as all 3, bravely, selflessly, and completely and utterly Divergent. I commend Veronica Roth for being brave enough to kill of her beloved main character.

As for the other authors trying to, or just killing, their main characters, I think it's largely the huge trend in love. I think they're trying to get the point that love and change requires sacrifice on both sides, good and bad. I don't like it, but it's more realistic that at least SOMEBODY leading the good side would die or get seriously injured. And sadly, author and picking up on that.

Well, that way the author can't be pressured into writing a sequel by hordes of no-life, fantasy-obsessed "fans"...

Because it's ballsy. Happy endings don't always happen in real life, nor should they in books. Especially young adult. The best part of the trilogy was Tris's death, even though the entire story is one giant martyrdom.

People die in war. Loved ones get their hearts broken. It happens.

Even Harry Potter "died", but he was brought back. And look at all the other characters in the series that died. Lupin, Sirius, Hermione wiped her parents memories of her....everyone loses something.

Unless you're reading twilight in which case, nothing happens except stalking, imprinting an infant (because that's just sooooo romantic) and glitter.

I would have taken Hunger Games more seriously if Katnis died for her cause.