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I caught the suddle hints and referances that you have mentioned. It makes me wonder how much more indepth the world will be going. May be not with The Game of Thrones series but with other works as well. Through out the book it was referened of other works that are not completed as of yet. Would be interesting to see if GRRM will try and expand on his massive world.
There's a bunch of other references in there, too.I'm pretty sure R'hllor, the Lord of Light is a reference to Lord of Light.
House Vance refers to Jack Vance, one of Martin's main influences.
House Peake of Starpike is surely a reference to Mervyn Peake, who wrote the excellent Gormenghast trilogy. The main villain in the first two books is named Steerpike.
House Jordayne of the Tor refers to Robert Jordan and his publisher, Tor.
There were a number of Lovecraft references. Ib and Sarnath are from the story The Doom That Came To Sarnath. Leng and K'dath in the Grey Waste are pulled from The Dream-Quest Of Unknown Kaddath. I noticed a few other Lovecraftian nods in there as well.
I'm guessing Martin is also a Jim Henson fan. The Tully lineage boasted the Lords Kermit, Grover and Elmo in their ancestry.
I didn't actually pick up on the Ice Dragon and Seven Times Never Kill A Man references. Makes me wonder what else I missed.
I really love those little gifts left for the sharp of eye! ;)
Bryan wrote: "There's a bunch of other references in there, too.I'm pretty sure R'hllor, the Lord of Light is a reference to Lord of Light.
House Vance refers to Jack Vance, one of Martin's main ..."
Thats actually pretty cool..I didn't realize that until you said something about House Tully. Kermit, Grover, Elmo *lol* good eye..I'm not a muppets fan but when you mentioned it I was like "holy crap!" :)
Little gifts from an author can be fun, or they can be jarring. GRRM is relatively subtle, unlike Stephen King in the Dark Tower series where his own intrusions get to be really annoying (name dropping, reference to other work, etc., etc. usually out of context) and feel like the guy's leaning over your shoulder while you read. Creepy.
Richard,you are the 2nd person to call Mr King, and not his works, creepy. The last time it was in a discussion regarding his work in the comic book series American Vampire. Apparently Mr. King has some fetish about being called "Uncle S"? I was unaware of that. All I can say is, having read the Dark Tower series-I do understand what you are saying. From what little I can glean of Mr. King from his pictures and just what I can presume to be the state of his mind from the books he writes- I can only assume him to be a wee bit different than the norm. But, then again that's probably why he is one of the most famous and prolific horror writers of our time. Edgar Allen Poe wasn't exactly an ad for "Mr. Guy Next Door" either.
No, I got that. I just found those things a bit cheesey for the guy who wrote Hearts in Atlantis and Christine, and... even Dreamcatcher, and... you get the idea. I don;t really expect anyone who carries that kind of stuff around in his brain to be a typical work-a-day kind of guy, but if I invest in your work, please just don't subject me to your unexpected smiling presence, y'know?
I know this is slightly off topic but I also love GRRM putting his love for the grateful dead in the series- direwolves
- WEIRwood
- Darkstar
- Mountains of the moon
as well as others those are just the glaring obvious ones
Marc wrote: "I know this is slightly off topic but I also love GRRM putting his love for the grateful dead in the series- direwolves
- WEIRwood
- Darkstar
- Mountains of the moon
as well as others those are..."
I did not know that. That's pretty cool
He also makes a very blatant Monty Python reference in Dance with Dragons. Some sellswords are talking about Dany's Unsullied and say that they're "the kind that don't break and run when you fart in their general direction." George is so cute. <3
Sam wrote: "He also makes a very blatant Monty Python reference in Dance with Dragons. Some sellswords are talking about Dany's Unsullied and say that they're "the kind that don't break and run when you fart i..."Huh..and that is something else I did not catch..VERY nice Sam, I applaud you *clap clap* :)
The Shivering Sea section mentioned Ice Dragons which takes us back to "The Ice Dragon" and the Assai By-the-Shadow section mentioned the Pale Child in the list of gods worshiped there which takes us back to "Seven Times Never Kill Man".
It really makes you wonder how connected the ASOIAF world may be with other works by GRRM.
Could the "Ice Dragon" take place in Westeros before the Seven Kingdoms were united at a time when regular dragons were still present in that land?
Could "Seven Times Never Kill Man" be taking place in Westeros as well? With the two warring races being ancestors to the Children of the Forest and the Others?
Maybe. Maybe not. What are your thoughts? Did anybody else catch other nods to non-ASOIAF GRRM works?