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Isn't Holden a Good Guy? And doesn't he become better later?
Demetrius Sherman Demetrius (last edited Dec 20, 2014 08:46AM ) Nov 16, 2014 10:48AM
When Holden describes what a Catcher in the Rye is doesn't that show he wants to do good or help?

Also, some readers complain that Holden whines too much. An important question is : does Holden have an arc so that he learns and changes by the end of his journey?

Holden complains, but doesn't he have good traits also, like caring about others so that he is flawed, but tolerable with realistically good and bad traits?



Hannah (last edited Nov 16, 2014 11:07AM ) Nov 16, 2014 11:06AM   1 vote
I don't i think i can give too much about this arc of change you're looking for without actually giving away the ending. There is some sort of change I suppose. As for his traits, I think what draws people in is the fact that people relate to Holden's pessimistic personality. Sometimes he is optimistic, and he cares about some people, like his sister, but often not strangers. I know people have called him whiny but that is more opinionated than anything. Holden simply shares his thoughts about the things he sees. If you don't agree with his opinions then yes I suppose he'll sound whiny. I personally loved Holden as a character but many people don't. I found him very relatable. I don't know if this helped you at all, but I hope it did.

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Demetrius Sherman Read the book some time ago. Need to read again. Saw so many posts of people who gave a one star review and trashed the book because they say Holden w ...more
Nov 17, 2014 08:02AM · flag

Monty J wrote, "Bear in mind that Holden's not talking most of the time when he's being negative. These are his thoughts, the inner musings of his mind. Most of us would sound "whiny" if we vocalized our thoughts.

Good point!


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Dec 09, 2014 11:43PM · flag

Monty J (last edited Nov 16, 2014 01:52PM ) Nov 16, 2014 01:50PM   -1 votes
Demetrius wrote: "...does Holden have an arc so that he learns and changes by the end of his journey?

...he whines, but doesn't he have good traits also, like caring about others so that he is flawed, but tolerable with realistically good and bad traits?"



Bear in mind that Holden's not talking most of the time when he's being negative. These are his thoughts, the inner musings of his mind. Most of us would sound "whiny" if we vocalized our thoughts.

Change in Holden's character is reflected in the climax scene. Holden softens, breaking into tears as he sits in the rain watching Phoebe ride the carousel, listening to the song,"Smoke Gets in Your Eyes" after deciding to return home instead of running away. This softening in his outlook is also reflected in the denoument at the end as he says "Don't ever tell anybody anything. If you do, you start missing everybody." He says he even misses Stradlater, who flattened him, and Ackley, with whom he argued, and "even old Maurice" who punched him.


For a more comprehensive analysis, see my review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...


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