The Slow Regard of Silent Things
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Rothfuss Expose: What "The Slow Regard of Silent Things" really means for KKC fans!!
Idcboobs wrote: "lmao i am not fohgetdatshit, i find it funny that you would think that but i should point out that we have two very different types of writing. His seems more literature like to me, uses more words..."I've noticed something about you, which is that you like to say nobody has offered a real argument against you, when, in fact, they have. You simply ignore it, because you aren't open to anyone else's opinion.
But hey, fuck it, Let's go over it again. Pat said he had three books written. Fact and true...in 2007. He said that...in 2007. I don't know why you choose to believe that statement was intentionally deceitful, and you have no proof that it was. You talk of links. To what? Re-post them. Why not, eh? If they really are so cut and dry "Pat is ripping people off" proof, then I'll believe you, straight up. But they're not are they? They're things that are, like our differing views of Pat, subject to personal opinion.
Here's my view of the situation
The dude was a brand new author, of the R.R.Martin heavy discovery writer and edit a thing to death type, and he said he had three books written because he had the ROUGH DRAFT of three books. Again, for all I know Pat could by lying about everything he's ever said, but taken at face value the dude simply got in over his head, didn't realize how goddamn rough his old work was and how much needed to be changed and added, and he overestimated how fast he could write.
One of my favorite authors is Megan Whalen Turner. She, over the course of eighteen years, has written one series, of which there are four books. The last book came out six years ago. Some people just take a long time to write their shit, and I don't see why you're intent on crucifying a dude for not realizing he was one of those people when he first started out. To me it seems like a pretty understandable mistake.
So let's see your proof then. If it's so easy to show it, show it. I could go back and look, but I'm giving you the opportunity right now to organize all your "links" and your "evidence", tell me what each one is and how it's irrefutable proof that what you say is true, cause so far all I've seen is an angry dude that is seeing the same thing I'm seeing but WAY differently.
As far as this book is concerned, I don't care to defend it. That's not what this has ever been about for me. If you pay attention to what others say instead of just jerking yourself off while you go on your goodreads-wide tirade about Pat and how he wronged you, you'd know that. You hated the book? Fine, but that's no reason to spam an entire website with vitriol for a guy you don't even know and just generally acting like an ass.
Also, you like to talk about how many "likes" you got on your review or w/e. Dude, if you want to play the "appeal to majority" logical fallacy on me, I can easily turn it back around and tell you that the book currently holds a four star rating, so obviously it's good then huh?
Stop with the logical fallacies, stop with the vitriol. Just show me, right here right now, conclusive proof or stfu.
Here's my problem with your "truth", and it's the last thing I'll say on the matter. It's your personal BELIEF that this was released to "cash in" on a "hot demographic" as you put it. You have no proof to that effect, and a person is free to believe that the truth is a lot more complicated and less malicious than that, and that is a totally valid opinion. Until you show me something other than what you personally believe is happening, I'm going to keep on rolling with my (equally valid) interpretation of events. I guess only time will tell who's right. As for the OCD thing, I wasn't saying he should get a free pass, I was saying two things:
1) Auri is also, clearly, OCD, and that makes the book interesting to me because I have an inkling of what that feels like, and by all accounts Pat does as well. I feel like I saw a part of him through her character that I could relate to, and I liked that, and that seems to be something a lot of other people have latched onto as well. Also the prose and the illustrations were very good, so I liked the book overall. The lack of respect for people who enjoyed the book is one of the main things that's bothered me here. You're not right for not liking it, and I'm not right FOR liking it. It's a damned opinion.
2) If the dude has OCD, then...uhhh, don't you think maybe THAT'S the reason why the books are taking so long? Not some evil plan to make money? Never have I said that he's being an efficient writer or anything. The dude is probably editing/rewriting/tweaking book 3 to death right now and he'll keep editing it until someone stops him, probably. But that endless tinkering is, I think, the reason his prose is better than your average Sanderson/Lynch/whoever fantasy author, and that's what makes the books special (for me), so I'm fine waiting if that's what it takes.
But anyway, I'm done arguing guys. Let's all kiss and make up. Seriously though, I don't like conflict. I'm the type of person who doesn't fight with people on the internet ever, and yet I've involved myself in this dumb, pointless mess. Obviously I'm not going to sway you. I've stopped trying. But let me at least explain, as clearly as I can, why YOU can't sway ME, because I know you're probably like, "Fuuuuuck, this guy is so dense," and you got that tiny frustrated feeling inside that you get while arguing on the internet with people. Maybe that's just me. Like I said, I don't do it often.
Let's set aside your issues with the delays of the main series and just focus on the, "Is this novella a scam?" part. You tell me all these "facts" and you're wondering why I'm not seeing the light, as it were. Well, keep this in mind--I liked the book. I gave it four stars. You may think me an idiot for doing so, but the fact is I liked it. I'm glad I read it, I'm glad I bought it, and I felt like ten bucks was a perfectly reasonable price considering the price point of some of Neil Gaiman's recent (and very short) stuff and the popularity of the author in question. I mean, I paid fifty bucks for Brandon Sanderson's Legion ffs, and another fifty to preorder the sequel. Ten bucks ain't so bad for 150 pages, if you like what's on them.
So now I want you to do something for me. Just imagine he didn't release that book. He released a different novella, same circumstances, same apology/warning for a thing that's unconventional. Even the wording is the same. The only difference is you liked it enough to rate it four stars, as I did. Perhaps a book that takes place entirely in one room and is mostly dialogue? Whatever unconventional, plot-less concept you could see yourself being into. Now, if somebody told you, "Hey, you know that book you liked? Actually that's a scam. No effort went into that and it's total shit, and the author is scamming you by even releasing it"
Would you believe them? Of course not. You'd think, "How is it a scam if I liked the book?"
This would be an entirely different story if you liked the novella, and a lot of people DID like it, therefore the opinion that it wasn't just a "cash grab" and more of a publishing experiment that the author both believed in but was terrified of showing to people because of its' unconventional nature is a perfectly sound one. We're both convinced of our version of things. The only difference is that you're spamming message boards with hate towards someone, and I wasn't doing anything until I started arguing with you guys. It's my opinion that even if you are right you went about things the wrong way (idcboobs). If you really believe an author is wronging his fans and want to do something about it be less confrontational and more informational with your reviews and comments, and ffs respect the opinions of the people who don't believe you and don't talk down to them and tell them things like, "Oh, you just need some more time to realize you're being scammed." Nobody appreciates that.
Wow, this is hilarious. One comment and everyone has some argument to make. I appreciate the warnings not to get involved, but I have just a couple things to say before I walk away. Firstly, you are right - everyone needs a job, and few artists are able to scrape by simply by selling their art, but that is their choice. Most artists and writers have to work while pursuing their passion. But by the same token, I am not going to begrudge Rothfuss or other artists the fame or money they earn for their work. It is enough for me that these people have inspired me and taught me something. I am sorry you were not inspired, and I regret that you believe you have been cheated. Secondly (and finally) I want to say how tragic and hilarious it is that we are discussing and arguing over a 10-dollar novella when there are starving people in America. I am not going to be angry over 10 dollars spent when the man receiving it is doing such much in service to people in need. I know you all will probably have a lot to say about these comments, and maybe I am just fueling the fire, but if you really care as you claim to, then maybe... just maybe, you might take something away from this.
Faith wrote: "Wow, this is hilarious. One comment and everyone has some argument to make. I appreciate the warnings not to get involved, but I have just a couple things to say before I walk away. Firstly, you ar..."P.S. Next time, go to the library if you don't want to spend the money...
He was explaining Auri's thoughts not her past this book gives the readers a inside perspective on her why instead of explaining a potentially plot spoiling past story.
Arbré wrote: "He was explaining Auri's thoughts not her past this book gives the readers a inside perspective on her why instead of explaining a potentially plot spoiling past story."I see, so a novel about a mentally unstable teenager is supposed to give us hope for auri's past huh?
You do realize most of the theories about her past involve her being fae or magically gifted etc. Not much anyone can hope for with the special young girl with a mental illness trope.
In my mind Rothfuss crippled one of his more interesting characters
Stop feeding the troll aka "Idcboobs"Trolling psychopaths like him thrive off the discussions and attention he gets from his rantings and provokations.
He will not be won over by reason, so ignore him and his like. It will cause you far less frustration.
Holmelund wrote: "Stop feeding the troll aka "Idcboobs"Trolling psychopaths like him thrive off the discussions and attention he gets from his rantings and provokations.
He will not be won over by reason, so ignor..."
"this person is correct and we can't prove him otherwise, let's discredit everything he says by calling him a troll"
lmao get lost dude.
Cheer up boobsyour my favourite psychopath
I knew what I was getting with Slow Regard. It wasn't entirely to my taste, but it was undeniably unusual and beautifully written. I've paid more for less. I'm also champing at the bit for book 3 - I'll be taking time off work so I can camp at the book shop and read it cover to cover immediately.
But I'm also quite well aware that an excellent piece of creative writing doesn't happen instantly. It requires a lot of time, polish and finishing touches.
Most importantly of all though, it requires the author to be in the right frame of mind to do it well - inspiration doesn't show up on command.
So I will have to wait, and I'm content to do so. I'll be delighted when Book 3 shows up, but I would _much_ rather have something as well put together as the first two books than a rush job, just for the sake of getting it earlier.
Ed wrote: "I knew what I was getting with Slow Regard. It wasn't entirely to my taste, but it was undeniably unusual and beautifully written. I've paid more for less. I'm also champing at the bit for book 3..."
again, the books were all written 8 years ago so..
No, the _drafts_ were written 8 years ago. Turning a first revision into finished product is considerably more work.
Ed wrote: "No, the _drafts_ were written 8 years ago. Turning a first revision into finished product is considerably more work."Do yourself a favour and ignore idcboobs.
He is either a troll or a spurned mistress that used to be a huge fan but now rant and raves becasue the love of his life disapointed him. It would be fun to read if it wasnt pathetic.
Holmelund wrote: "Ed wrote: "No, the _drafts_ were written 8 years ago. Turning a first revision into finished product is considerably more work."Do yourself a favour and ignore idcboobs.
He is either a troll or ..."
"First-time novelist Patrick Rothfuss offers self-aware heroic fantasy in The Name of the Wind, the first volume in a trilogy (which is already completely written) about the life and legend of Kvothe, master magician, musician, thief, assassin and hero."
-http://www.patrickrothfuss.com/conten...
are you mentally retarded
"The next two books will come out in one-year intervals. I'm able to do this because when I started writing, I had no idea how long a book was. I just kept blazing a trail until I came to the end of Kvothe's story. When I finally finished, I looked back and realized I had a trilogy's worth of material. "even more proof taken directly from his blog
what do you have to say to that holmelund you psychotic fanboy
Rofl, I can't believe this shit is still going on. It's just funny at this point. I can't think of anything more childish than whining to anyone who will listen that you're not getting a thing you want fast enough. Does somebody need a time out, or a nap? lol. I can't believe I let myself get worked up by this joker.
"All this time Patrick was working on “The Book,” as he and his friends lovingly titled it. When he returned to Stevens Point he began teaching half-time while trying to sell The Book to publishers. In the process, he disguised a chapter of The Book as a short story and won the Writers of the Future competition in 2002. This put him into contact with all the right people, and after deciding to split The Book into three installments, DAW agreed to publish it. In March 2007, The Name of the Wind was published to great acclaim, winning the Quill Award and making the New York Times Bestseller list."even more proof that it was finished and just split into three books post production, taken from his bio.
You can remain as ignorant as you like holmelund, it's honestly quite pathetic how you refuse to admit you were wrong and instead take to insulting me.
I guess it takes a pretty big fanboy to ignore literal words written by the author proving he's a complete scam artist whilst also giving that same author's 150 page, $30 novella 5 stars.
Pretty pathetic indeed imo.
Idcboobs wrote: ""All this time Patrick was working on “The Book,” as he and his friends lovingly titled it. When he returned to Stevens Point he began teaching half-time while trying to sell The Book to publisher..."Ya know, nobody is really disputing the fact that he wrote a rough draft of three books. The part that they're disputing is whether it really matters, or if they give a shit, or that having three rough drafts is really anything close to having three finished books. Please do keep whining about it like a baby though, because it's super entertaining =)
David wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: ""All this time Patrick was working on “The Book,” as he and his friends lovingly titled it. When he returned to Stevens Point he began teaching half-time while trying to sell The ..."okay sweetie, try not to tire yourself out, children often need a nap after screaming for a few hours :)
edit: oh by the way, wanted to point out that big old lie right there in the first sentence of your post.
Kind of pulling a 'no true scotsman' fallacy with that, seeing that literally the post above mine is saying exactly that.
Again, next line, you get that wrong; i'm the one saying if it matters, which i believe it does, along with every single person who liked and agreed with my review.
Again, next line, they aren't drafts so that's wrong again, evidenced by the post right above yours (are you mentally retarded? i feel like you would have to be mentally ill to not see this stuff)
Oh and finally we have a good example of how immature KK fanboys are :) resorting to insults when confronted with real life facts. Don't worry buddy, maybe if you scream louder Pat will come and take care of you :') maybe he'll even pat you on the head or you know, you can try to suck his dick harder maybe? :)
Rothfuss did repeatedly mention that not everyone would like this book. For me personally he was right. I didn't get past page 40 or 50. It just wasn't for me. Luckily i borrowed it from my local library & didn't shell out any hard earned cash.Each to their own but there's no need to call the author abusive names etc. State that you didn't enjoy the book & why and leave it at that.
David wrote: "Man, a lot of you are REAL butthurt, aren't you? Let's address the two most common butthurt complainbutthurt? What are you 12?
Idcboobs wrote: "David wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: ""All this time Patrick was working on “The Book,” as he and his friends lovingly titled it. When he returned to Stevens Point he began teaching half-time while tryin..."Authors often get bored of writing the same thing forever. At least he didn't ask someone else to ghostwrite it.
Arbré wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: "David wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: ""All this time Patrick was working on “The Book,” as he and his friends lovingly titled it. When he returned to Stevens Point he began teaching half..."lmao at this point he'll probably end up paying someone through a charity to finish the series for him
Still better than the author who wrote a small blurb about communications failing instead of actually ending the series.
Brandon Sanderson writes multiple series, simultaneously, for that very reason. To stave off boredom. I love his thinking!!
infael wrote: "Brandon Sanderson writes multiple series, simultaneously, for that very reason. To stave off boredom. I love his thinking!!"He regards his writing as a career. A very distinct difference between him and a good majority of other authors
Wow such emotion over a tiny little book. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I got it from the library, stumbled upon it not realizing it existed. Had I come across it in the bookstore, I would have flipped through and not spent 10$ on it and would have waited for it from the library. One of the perils of shopping on line you don't feel, smell and check out the book. I did learn from these posts that there is a Bast's story out there that I must read. On the topic of the length of time between books I don't get that worked up over that either because I have a life and like to read all different kinds of books. I have read the first two, liked the first one better. I will hope to listen to them if I can ever find them in audio form at the library before the third one comes out. I think PR seems like a genuinely decent guy from what you can tell about him from ocassionaly checking out his blog.
Joni wrote: "Wow such emotion over a tiny little book. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I got it from the library, stumbled upon it not realizing it existed. Had I come across it in the bookstore, I would have flipp..."Yes because i did literally nothing between these book releases.
/sarcasm
obviously i read other books, if you read the initial post you would know why i'm upset about the time in between the books, it's not because it's taking too long. It's because there is NO REASON FOR IT TO TAKE SO lONG WHEN THE BOOKS HAVE ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN.
I mean jesus christ the release date for the doors of stone was may this year, which was almost 2 months ago and since then the release date has been changed to tba.
almost like the author is constantly lying about the books in every way possible.
Idcboobs wrote: "Yes because i did literally nothing between these book releases."In Pat defense he was busy learning lockpicking and stand up comedy.....and giving talks about feminism.
Idcboobs wrote: "Joni wrote: "Wow such emotion over a tiny little book. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I got it from the library, stumbled upon it not realizing it existed. Had I come across it in the bookstore, I wou..."you sound like such a dick
Joni wrote: "Idcboobs wrote: "Joni wrote: "Wow such emotion over a tiny little book. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I got it from the library, stumbled upon it not realizing it existed. Had I come across it in the..."Good observation, because i'm clearly here to be your best friend buddy.
If I had downloaded it as a sample on Kindle from Amazon, I would not have read the whole book. (Fabulous thing, that sample. Saved me from reading a lot of trash.) As it was, I did persevere through it. Didn't care for it much, but what is done, is done. Hope PR moves on to Doors Of Stone now.
Donna wrote: "If I had downloaded it as a sample on Kindle from Amazon, I would not have read the whole book. (Fabulous thing, that sample. Saved me from reading a lot of trash.) As it was, I did persevere throu..."Didn't you hear? he moved onto doors of stone in 2007
I meant publish DOS. It's been ages.
Donna wrote: "I meant publish DOS. It's been ages."agreed.
So what you're saying is... you didn't like it. So read something else and get over it.You put down money to buy a book, you take a risk that the book won't be worth it. There is always a risk, every time, with every book. Your outrage suggests that spending money on books is more risk than you can tolerate. Perhaps try borrowing from the library next time. Or wait a bit and read what others have to say about it in order to assess the probability that you will or will not enjoy it.
You spent $10 on a book without knowing what to expect. That's your doing. I learned long ago not to have such high expectations on the in-between books within a series. Most of them are merely the author having some fun with their story. Every now and then these fun side-trips (usually meant for the author's own pleasure) reaches a point of refinement that is good enough to publish. That does not mean it's good enough to be a part of the series. They usually aren't. They publish it on the off-chance that somebody else will enjoy it.
And they take a risk too. They take the risk that somebody will whine and cry about the book not meeting their expectations. What that epilogue really means is that Rothfuss doesn't give a fuck about your whining.
I enjoyed this story. I enjoyed getting to know Auri. I didn't pay for it, I borrowed it from the library. I won't buy it, because I won't re-read it. Life's a lot easier when you don't agonize over these things.
Julia wrote: "So what you're saying is... you didn't like it. So read something else and get over it.You put down money to buy a book, you take a risk that the book won't be worth it. There is always a risk,..."
"So what you're saying is... you didn't like it. So read something else and get over it"
Are you incapable of reading or do you just pretend to be an idiot?
seriously did you literally read nothing and assume people were complaining due to the quality of the novels? lmao for real?
try reading a single post this time, just one. Nobody cares about the quality, that's subjective, we're talking about the author, which if you had paid attention instead of giving us those egotistically snide remarks you would understand instantly.
jesus christ, rothfuss fans just keep getting more and more gullible.
Perhaps Auri's small tale will prove to explain later events in the Doors of Stone
Arbré wrote: "Perhaps Auri's small tale will prove to explain later events in the Doors of Stone"yeah maybe it'll prove mental illness in a character is a cheap way of skipping out on real character development
Real character development? Auri's character was in no small part alredy revealed in the kingkiller Chronicles. A book about Auri was written to explain how she felt about the world and it did. Auri is a part of the world and deserves her own book no matter how odd she happens to be
Ignore the troll.He is like a spurned lover who now only spew hatefull rantings.
Arguing with him is futile.
I have heard such before last time he spoke on this discussion yet he does speak a valid point this book is not for everyone and for some it means nothing to the Kingkiller books themselves
Hey, if you enjoy taking a character and narrowing her down to nothing but OCD then that's on you.Personally i enjoy learning about my character as they progress through the narrative, completely the opposite as sticking a mental illness on a hollow figure and calling it character development.
I honestly love his book and am very glad that he wrote it. I guess that I am unclear as to how it is wrong for an author to make money with his artistry and talent. I have read plenty of books that I did not care for, but did not believe that they should never have been written. Perhaps every writer should run the first draft of their book by me, then I will decide if it is worthy of being published? If I don't like it, its outta here! Come on, that is nowhere in the realm of reason. If a person is concerned that they may not like a book but is curious about it, why not rent it from the library or borrow it from a friend, as many have rightly pointed out here.The major concern seems to be that the books were finished some time ago, yet have not been published. How many versions of The Silmarillion were written before its publication after the death of JRR Tolkien? This really isn't so uncommon. I do not believe that Rothfuss is intentionally delaying DoS in order to write more stories and make more money. He has quite a large fan-base. There are many who will buy his books after this trilogy is completed. I know that I will.
Karen wrote: "I honestly love his book and am very glad that he wrote it. I guess that I am unclear as to how it is wrong for an author to make money with his artistry and talent. I have read plenty of books t...""I do not believe that Rothfuss is intentionally delaying DoS in order to write more stories and make more money. He has quite a large fan-base. There are many who will buy his books after this trilogy is completed. I know that I will."
So you claim the basis that he is not delaying books because there are many people that will buy his books?
lol that actually sounds like a great reason to delay books, something i've written a dozen times already.
He delays, gets more fans, focuses on social media, social media gets him more fans and eventually those fans finally buy his final book.
Hypothetically he could generate a ton of fans instantly by promising to release his already completely written series in a short amount of time. Then of course he could drag that series out over a large amount of time generating more and more fans. Generating more and more money.
It's pretty obvious to me, i mean you only have to look at what he's said. He promised three books in 3 years. He's given you 2 books in almost 10 years and a 150 page novella that he sold severely over priced because he knew his fans would eat it up.
Check your kindle right now. Every book with less than 200 pages sells for less than a dollar.
You know what his novella sells for in a local book shop? $30.
Fact is, Rothfuss hasn't even said anything in his defense, he lets his fans do it for him, meanwhile censoring and silencing anyone who dares to question him on a field that he can control. IE; his forums. Know how many people have been banned just for asking him about the release date?
The first page of his very first novel specifically says he does not break promises. You should own the book, look at it right now and tell me it does not say that. Yet he broke a severe promise to the very people who bought that damn book in the first place.
That is the most pathetic thing an author could possibly do. Convince me otherwise.
then again you can be like everyone else and just ignore me, funny how people will just stop replying once they realize they have no way to disprove my claims.
Slow Regard sells on Amazon for $11.00 rather than the $30.00 you mention, however that is neither here nor there. I simply do not see the problem with a writer making money with his (or her) artistic talent. We do not fault anyone else for making a living at their craft...why him?I do understand your frustration at the wait for a much anticipated book. Many of us here are waiting on it as well. However, I do not believe that Mr. Rothfuss owes us a thing and most certainly not on a timetable that we demand. Writing is a creative process. Perhaps he should not have promised books in a certain timeframe, but I can not imagine that he would necessarily have expected the success of this trilogy. Hoped for the success, most certainly. Expected it? I highly doubt it, few would.
I just imagine that DoS has gone through a rather lengthy rewriting and editing process. I do not think that is so strange. Many authors subject their writings to many rewrites, such as the aforementioned Tolkien.
I simply believe that the fan-base surrounding Kingkiller is large enough that Rothfuss will sell books regardless of when DoS finally comes to publication. I am sorry that you are so frustrated over this though.
Idcboobs it could easily be worse. He could have cut off at a dramatic moment or expanded book three into three more books with a pile of added fluff to sell more books. He doesn't need to drag this out he could simply add a cliffhanger to Doors of Stone and add another series.
Arbré wrote: "Idcboobs it could easily be worse. He could have cut off at a dramatic moment or expanded book three into three more books with a pile of added fluff to sell more books. He doesn't need to drag thi..."You do realize that is exactly what's happening right?
He's already said he's planning more books in the same universe. If that didn't stop him writing a novella already i don't see what will stop him from expanding a trilogy.
Mark me, i bet you anything after DOS there will be another trilogy about Kote set in the future. There is no chance everything will fit into one book.
Great the rest of the series will probably be more to the style of the Kingkiller books and will also have new characters who will probably have deeper personalities than Auri.
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then again, maybe we're the same person with two different personality's, who knows lmao.
By the way i actually read your whole post, mainly cos it was so long i thought you would actually make some good points, maybe correct me or give me a few examples on where i went wrong. Nope. lol not once, that whole post was basically "waah, our subjective views don't change an objective statement". Which honestly, i believe is what's happening, instead of trying to change an objective statement, in this case "Patrick Rothfuss lied to everyone who read his books numerous times" (which is a true statement, one you would do well to learn because every single point i make is usually based around this). This is something you really should consider when writing a post "against" me. So far everything you have written has been nothing, just you complaining that we dare criticize the book. And really, are you doing anything more? ****can you please point out somewhere where you have made a logical point that would actually disprove the statement that Pat is a liar****, i've attempted to highlight this sentence because i really do want you to show me one case where you have done this.
Like honestly, please do it, even if it's you just quoting yourself for one sentence, show me where you have ever contributed to this discussion other than you essentially whinging to us that we're somehow wrong.
The fact that you point out our arguments in capital letters and make us out to be children is pretty insulting to be honest. I mean the fact that our statements are bringing you down to this level of insecurity that you have to go as far as to insult us because we're right? And really, isn't that what you're doing?
"The fact of the matter is neither of us can be proven wrong or right to any degree of certainty, as all we know is what has happened and not why. You could be right, I guess. Pat could be fleecing people."
Listen, Dave. The fact that you can't prove me wrong is simply because you're not trying to. Instead of finding evidence for or against your case you insist on attempting to humiliate us on a public book forum (which i find extremely hilarious). What i'm trying to say is; don't say that i'm some kind of wall that just blocks out whatever you say, i'm completely open to discussion, but i need you to bring something to discuss instead of just your subjective views on the matter. We're constantly brought forth several examples as to how pat has been scamming people and a few 100% legit examples where pat has openly lied to his fans to sell more books. It's simple, at this point in time, i'm correct and you're not. I have evidence that proves Pat lied to people and i've linked it multiple times, but no, you're just gonna say that i'm lying somehow? that i forged the source? I don't understand, you're author evidently lied to make more money, that; in regards to societal morality, is bad. You're author did something bad, yet you're trying to tell me he's the victim? that he's the good guy?
Please just listen to me for once, stop acting like a child and actually listen to me. Patrick Rothfuss is a bad person, that's what i'm saying, that's what i'm proving and that's what this thread has essentially discussed. You're saying we're bad people, you're not proving this, you're not discussing this, you're just saying it because of subjective feelings based around an author who gives less than no fucks about you.
By the way, read what faith said again David. Are you such a hippie leftist that you believe the whole world is some peaceful utopia where authors share their art and work with the world at their own leisure? these people apparently make no mistakes and must be worshiped, that they can never do someone wrong? lmao it's so disgusting to me that someone could suggest that. I've seen real artists, scraping by nothing, they don't take life at a leisurely pace, they aren't so financially secure that they can just pop out an artwork whenever they want, but faith suggests that this somehow happens? as if people don't need to actually do their job to get paid? what?
I'm saying this because she's clearly referencing post modern art, allusions to "popping out work" or whatever, mass production and a factory setting is what she's implying. She would imply that this is not the real world. I'm sorry but the real world is post modern for a reason, mass production is a real thing because people need jobs, writing is a tough job for sure but you know the people who actually make money doing it as a career? the people that sit at their fucking desks 9-5, every day and write until their brain is seeped dry. That's why i find Brandon Sanderson to be such an amazing author, he knows what the job is, he didn't romanticize it by comparing it to art. Contrasting to Pat, who lied to his fans because he *probably* realized this job wasn't that great after all.
By the way, fohgetdatshit was obviously using repetition to drive the point that this novel, that Justin was essentially romanticizing; was a book about an under aged girl making soap and having to deal with ocd. Something which in my opinion should never be romanticized.
Best thing is though that you're not even gonna attempt to prove me wrong, you're gonna skim this and just think to yourself "ugh what a cunt fuck this guy" and leave. Prove me wrong, show me how i'm incorrect in ANY of my statements, just once so we know you're not just a fucking cry baby.
Because really; in the end, all you are is a fucking whinger.
(btw lol, every day i get some hate on these threads about how i'm wrong and every day i receive a few likes on my reviews; agreeing with everything i say, isn't that weird?)