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Are there individuals far richer than those on the Forbes’ Rich Lists?
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It has been purported by financial researchers and alternative media outlets that there are individuals whose net worth would dwarf whoever tops the Forbes Rich List at any given time – net worth the likes of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or Carlos Slim Helu could only dream about. If this theory is true, then it would fit into a little-known financial category referred to as invisible or hidden wealth. Massive undeclared fortunes, often derived from black market monies or Old World financial empires kept in tax havens and Swiss bank accounts. Saudi Arabian arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi, former President of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos and Queen Elizabeth II are among the individuals said by some to be/have been trillionaires.
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The rothschilds are not on there so there must most definitely be far richer people we don't know about
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Krishna wrote: "I guess many other richer people r there, but most of their money is black money."I believe that's correct.
Krishna wrote: "Swiss bank contains unlimited amount of black money specially of politicians. many policies r now being introduced for getting back that money as most of those money r of common people which have b..."I think hell will freeze over before the Swiss Government ever agrees to reveal the bank accounts of the elite they are holding. For starters, many of the accounts are number-only, so nobody knows who the hell they belong to not even the banks themselves. that is their level of secrecy.
Krishna wrote: "government is trying best to get back the black money."Indian government I assume?
I think sometimes the Swiss govt will force banks to release account details of convicted criminals and freeze those accounts.
But look at former Philippines President Ferdinand Marcos and his rumored multi-trillion dollar Swiss account(s).
The Philippine government has been trying in vain to get back that money for decades from the Swiss banks.
Switzerland goes to great lengths to protect their clients, but maybe that's slowly changing I'm not sure.
Money will move fast if they are forced to reveal bank accounts... Probably to some island in the Caribbean.
Excerpt from INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER$: The Global Banking Elite Exposed and the Case for Restructuring Capitalism:“There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.” –Daniel K. Inouye, US Senator from Hawaii, in his testimony at the 1987 Iran-Contra Hearings.
It has been estimated by many an independent researcher that the bulk of the world’s money supply is in the hands of less than 1000 families.
Yes, you read that right: the bulk of the world’s money supply is in the hands of less than 1000 families.
These families include the likes of the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the British Royals as well as other elite dynasties. Their fortunes are said to consist of a mixture of Old World money, modern (declared) income, as well as invisible money and blood money.
In a similar vein, David Rothkopf’s 2008 book, Superclass: The Global Power Elite and the World They Are Making, states that the world is governed by a group of 6000 elite individuals.
And according to Oxfam’s 2014 economic briefing, the wealth of the top 1% in the world amounts to US$110 trillion. That’s 65 times the total wealth of the bottom half of the world’s population.
Another staggering statistic from Oxfam’s briefing was that, collectively, the financial worth of the world’s 85 wealthiest people approximately equals that of the poorer half of the world’s total population. In other words, and get this – the richest 85 individuals have as much wealth as the 3.5 billion or so people who make up 50% of the world’s population and who are categorized as the poorest on the planet!
What if those 85 Rich Listers got together – assuming they or their representatives haven’t already – and agreed on certain financial things?
Things like bailing out private banks facing bankruptcy, lobbying for the amalgamation of various currencies, forcing austerity measures upon vulnerable nations sinking in debt or anything else that fits their definition of a better world?
With their financial clout and inherent power, surely almost anything imaginable would be achievable for the global elite. After all, who would have the power to stop this uber-powerful niche – the .000000001% of the world’s population, who control the bulk of the world’s money supply?
“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce. And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.” ‒James A. Garfield, 20th President of the United States and one of only four presidents to have been assassinated.
Black Money
Beyond the official summaries of the world’s wealth, and how few control it, there is in our opinion a hidden system of finance, which, if one day proven, will show there is an even greater gap between the global elite and the rest.
It’s generally accepted the world’s so-called ‘Rich Lists,’ from Forbes and the like, are not accurate in that their estimates of the Rich Listers’ wealth are just that – estimates. However, according to our research, the world’s wealthiest individuals don’t necessarily even make the lists.
It has been purported by financial researchers and others in the know that there are individuals whose net worth would dwarf whoever tops the Forbes Rich List at any given time – net worth the likes of Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or Carlos Slim Helu could only dream about.
This may be hard to fathom, but it’s important to consider two points when analyzing the finances of the global elite.
Firstly, without being able to inspect the bank accounts of billionaires, Forbes and similar Rich List publishers can only make crude guesstimates of individuals’ true worth. As a result, their lists are anything but official and their accuracy is questionable – something the billionaire community is quick to point out.
Secondly, beyond those individuals and sums mentioned on the Rich Lists, there exists what is often referred to as invisible or hidden wealth. This involves non-disclosed fortunes that are virtually impossible to detect. The planet’s invisible wealth is comprised of undeclared income stashed away in offshore tax havens and Swiss bank accounts, secret Old World money and black market economies in which criminal enterprises conduct their business.
The criminal enterprises referred to include illegal drugs and arms dealing. One such arms dealer is Saudi Arabian Adnan Khashoggi who some banking and financial commentators estimate had a massive personal fortune of between US$2 trillion and US$7 trillion in the 1980’s.
However, the world is still waiting for its first official trillionaire, and Khashoggi’s fortune was only ever estimated by Forbes and the likes to be worth between $400 million and several billion. If the rumors of Khashoggi’s multi-trillion dollar personal fortune were true then there’s an extremely wide gulf separating unofficial and official estimates of his wealth.
The 2005 feature film Lord of War, directed by Andrew Niccol and starring Nicolas Cage and Ethan Hawke, is said to have been inspired by Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout. Like Khashoggi, Bout is rumored to have amassed a huge personal fortune impossible to estimate. Cage’s character, a Ukranian-American arms dealer, is shown in the movie to be above the law with apparently unlimited money and resources.
The now deceased former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos is another individual strongly rumored to have profited from the black market. Many who investigated Marcos, including politicians in the current Philippine government, say much of his wealth was secured from discoveries of the WW2 Japanese treasure hoard known as Yamashita’s Gold. As the existence of those treasures was never acknowledged by any government, it’s conceivable President Marcos could have amassed a large fortune impossible to trace or estimate. Some investigators say his secret bank accounts amounted to trillions of dollars.
If this sounds totally unbelievable, consider the television interview his widowed wife Imelda Marcos gave in 2009 for the BBC TV travel series Explore. While being filmed inside her lavish home in the Philippines, Imelda told BBC presenter Simon Reeve that her late husband was heavily associated with gold mining companies and also traded in gold. The former First Lady then presented Reeve with an official document. Although she would not allow the document itself to be filmed, Reeve confirmed it was a Certificate of Deposit made by Ferdinand E. Marcos in a bank in Brussels, Belgium, for the amount of Nine Hundred and Eighty Seven Billion United States Dollars. For those who don’t have a good math brain, that’s only 13 billion short of a trillion bucks.
If true, this sum in Marcos’ Belgium bank account alone would be almost 13 times more than Bill Gates’ total current fortune. The legacy of the former president becomes even more staggering when considering that this was just one of his bank accounts; the Philippine government has confirmed through investigations of its own that Marcos had many such secret accounts in banks all over the world.
Sticking with the theory that there are individuals worth far more than the names topping official rich lists, some say the Queen Elizabeth II is one of the wealthiest people, if not the wealthiest, in the world.
The majority of the Queen’s wealth is said to be inherited money. After all, the British Royals descend from elite European families in a centuries-old empire that reaped the spoils of Ancient Rome, the Crusades and splits in the Vatican.
We are talking serious Old World money here. The Queen’s ancestors not only owned untold mineral resources throughout the known world, but were also instrumental in setting up the earliest banks and controlling money supplies and lending. And the British House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha – since renamed the House of Windsor – actively supported and profited from nefarious but extremely lucrative historical events like the opium trade in China as well as slave-trading.
Certain researchers suggest gold alone in the Royal Family’s possession is said to be worth well over a trillion British pounds sterling.
And lastly, the world of Black Money is also said to be dominated by centuries old banking dynasties.
Another excerpt from INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER$: The Global Banking Elite Exposed and the Case for Restructuring Capitalism: “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” –David Rockefeller from his 2002 autobiography Memoirs.
Elite banking families
In a book on “international banksters,” in a section on “financial overlords,” we’d be remiss not to at least mention in passing the elite families who have been juggernauts in the history of global banking.
Families such as German financial dynasty the Oppenheim family who began to dominate the finance and banking sectors in Europe from the 18th Century onwards. One of the Oppenheim family’s key assets for centuries, Sal. Oppenheim, was the highest valued privately owned investment bank in Europe until the family sold it in 2009.
An even more powerful banking clan is the almost infinitely-wealthy Rothschild family who also entered the banking industry in 18th Century Europe and used to own mining giant Rio Tinto.
Some say the Rothschilds have incalculable wealth and that even the price of gold is determined by them.
In the United States, the Rockefellers are essentially the equivalent of the Rothschilds, or almost. Besides their extensive background in the oil business, the Rockefellers have long been an elite banking family with key investments like Chase Manhattan Bank and JP Morgan Chase.
Although it’s not commonly reported or even investigated by mainstream media, it seems logical that these elite banking families would manipulate financial markets in their favor. Especially given they have dominated banking for centuries and have the process down to a fine art.
Another important point is these families made much of their fortunes through either criminal or highly immoral enterprises – perhaps deserving their “bankster” titles bestowed upon them by certain independent researchers.
For example, a June 26, 2009 article in the UK’s Financial Times mentions the Rothschilds’ and other elite banking families’ historical links to slavery.
“Two of the biggest names in the City of London,” the article states, “had previously undisclosed links to slavery in the British colonies, documents seen by the Financial Times have revealed.
“Nathan Mayer Rothschild, the banking family’s 19th-century patriarch, and James William Freshfield, founder of Freshfields, the top City law firm, benefited financially from slavery, records from the National Archives show, even though both have often been portrayed as opponents of slavery”.
The Rockefeller-associated asset, JP Morgan, is also listed in the Financial Times article as having ties to the slave trade.
“JPMorgan, the investment bank, set up a $5m scholarship fund for black students studying in Louisiana after apologising in 2005 for the company’s historic links to slavery.
“In the case of Mr Rothschild, the documents reveal for the first time that he made personal gains by using slaves as collateral in banking dealings with a slave owner”.
The article also names Lehman Brothers and the Bank of America as among other major financial institutions that profited off slavery.
“All problems, depressions, wars, disasters, assassinations ‒ all of them were planned, caused, instigated, and implemented by the international bankers and their attempt to establish a central bank in every country in the world, which they have now done, thanks to corrupt politicians who have been bought and paid for. This is all you need to know about the history of the world.” ‒Mary Elizabeth Croft
Could it be that some, or even many, of the world’s recent financial problems – including meltdowns and crashes – are partly due to market manipulation these elite banksters (partially listed in this chapter) are doing in secret?
If the answer to that question is yes, then it is highly likely much of this subtle, semi-hidden manipulation of the “free market” is done via the much denigrated central banks.
The third book of the Oligarch series that I'm accomplishing nowadays is dedicated precisely to the topic of this discussion ...
What will that book cover, Nik? The Russian financial elite?
Global. It's about Ukrainian tycoon, whose ambition is to top Forbes, but then he discovers that there is another dimension, meaning the real rulers of the world are not listed there...
Cool...Have you come across any of these people in real life, Nik?
Trillionaires are out there...
Nope, and I'm not sure trillionaires or quadriollionaires (why to be shy?) exist, but I won't rule it out. As of non-listed billionaires, they definitely exist and the magnitude of their wealth may be considerable. It's not like Forbes does auditing of any billionaire. I think they use external/objective materials - like shares' value on stock exchanges, evaluation of known assets, etc. So whoever stays private and doesn't have easily attributed and evaluated assets may just remain below/beyond the radar. Many Russian/Ukr billionaires were billionaires much before they entered Forbes, but only once their companies become public, certain assets revealed, their estates became evaluated...
In reply to your why to be shy question...Various reasons...For some it's motivated by a need to keep a low-profile in that they are criminal or making money on the black market or simply would rather avoid any undue attention. Arms dealers could fit into this category. Check out the movie Lord of War, for this school of thought. Based on real theories about such arms traders like Viktor Bout and Adnan Khashoggi - both rumored to be worth hundreds or even thousands of times what Forbes ever reported their worth to be.
Beyond that, you have Old World money dating back to the Black Nobility in Europe and even Babylon some say. Incalculable, untraceable assets, that no financial analyst can accurately estimate. And so such elites in these Old World families are the polar opposites of the likes of Donald Trump...they don't need or want or care about getting publicity, especially as they were born into such secret off-the-scale wealth.
Interesting footnote: the Rothschild family are often held up by conspiracy theorists as the big kahunas of the world of hidden finance, or the highest level trillionaires/quadrillionaires, if you will. However, we need to take note of that old monster known as anti-Semitism and recognize that some conspiracy theorists who have an undeclared agenda are trying to subtly imply that old, idiotic theory of "the Jews control the world and all the money supply" - which anyone with half a brain knows is pure BS and comes from a place of racial hatred. So in my assessment, according to what I've researched, the Rothschild clan are just one of hundreds of such elite, Old World money families in this hidden system of finance beyond the official financial system in Wall Street and beyond and above the Forbes Rich Lists.
I'm pretty confident that the existing lists provide very partial info and absence of certain figures, doesn't mean they aren't comparable or maybe even above those listed. Who knows the wealth of Putin or Arab sheikhs or Mubarak even, for example? Where mafia bosses and drug lords stand?As of arms dealers, example of Lord of War movie or others, I doubt trillionaires can come out of this black or white market industry for few reasons. What we've seen Nickolas Cage doing is selling mostly fire arms and ammunition - relatively "cheap" stuff, worth dozens or hundreds of thousands at most, for all I know. What's worth millions are sophisiticated systems like planes, subs, ships, systems. And in these spheres, I think most deal are done G2G (government to government), like cancelled Mistral deal btween France & Russia, for example. I doubt there is much of a black market for planes or subs. If you take the list of the biggest exporters (US - the biggest with roughly 10B in 2014) and importers (Saudi Arabia #1), I'm not sure how much is done through intermediaries and I believe the black market, which undoubtedly exists, comes anywhere near the official market figures.
I also wonder where the "Old" money is. There were richest dynasties of 17-th, 18-th, 19-th centuries, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt among them. I doubt all their wealth evaporated.
I haven't researched what is attributed to Rothshilds specifically, but no doubt many allegations regarding them or other wealthy Jewish families originate from anti-Semitism. And unfortunately, there are quite a lot of conspiracy theories coming from the same despicable ideoligical background.
The Rise Of The House Of RothschildCertain special features of the 19th century have been entirely neglected. An example of this neglect is the ignoring by historians of the role played by the Rothschild family in the history of the 19th century. The object of this work is to appraise the important influence of this family on the politics of the period, not only in Europe, but throughout the world. The influence of the Rothschilds, interestingly enough, is barely mentioned in other more comprehensive works. The aim of this work is to trace the rise of the House of Rothschild from its small beginnings to the great position it obtained, culminating in the year of its great crisis.
It doesn't arise from anti-Semitism, it comes from anti-Zionism which is very different. Anyone can be a Zionist. That is what most conspiracy theorists are against, Zionism.
acemace wrote: "It doesn't arise from anti-Semitism, it comes from anti-Zionism which is very different. Anyone can be a Zionist. That is what most conspiracy theorists are against, Zionism."Disagree - the line separating anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism gets blurred all the time. You see this in anti-Zionist posters where the so-called anti-Zionists use well-known anti-Semitic symbols depicting Jews. So technically being an anti-Zionist is fine on paper, but in reality the truth is many anti-Zionists are anti-Semitic - sometimes even without realizing it.
Who is US Secret Agent Lee Wanta?Some say he was worth 31 trillion dollars...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqVyN...
According to our research, this (outdated) 2012 Forbes article is a gross underestimate - but still it's great that mainstream media is at least reporting about what is essentially a black market of money or a secret world economy of the elite...FORBES: Super Rich Hide $21 Trillion Offshore, Study Says https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederic...
"A new report finds that around the world the extremely wealthy have accumulated at least $21 trillion in secretive offshore accounts. That's a sum equal to the gross domestic products of the United States and Japan added together. The number may sound unbelievable, but the study was conducted by James Henry, former chief economist at the consultancy McKinsey, an expert on tax havens and offshoring. It was commissioned by Tax Justice Network, a British activist group."
What if we have all been sold a lie with the concept that there's a lack of capital available for important social issues like poverty, education and medicine? What if there is, and always was, "enough" for everyone? In this interview I gave on Las Vegas' KCOR radio network, I make the case (and provide some evidence to indicate) that scarcity and limited budgets for populations are artificial constructs.Undocumented Wealth For Humanity - BREAKING THE ILLUSION OF SCARCITY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwIqQ...
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