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message 51: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments Thanks, I thought so...I hope to find it soon and read it....


message 52: by [deleted user] (new)

Michael wrote: "Brad wrote: "I loved "The Master of Go". I was interested in the game and now after reading this book I am definitely going a buy a board. Kawabata was a master as well."

i loved master of go as well- i even tried to learn the game, though did not pursue it. the idea of understanding by intuition that exceeds all calculation, is very beautiful. and why no go computer programs can compete with human masters, as it is magnitudes more complex than chess but easy enough to understand for a child. "


I am going to purchase a board, but I will have some difficulty in finding others to play or learn to play with me. I am not living in the most cosmopolitan of towns at the moment. And yes the intuitive part of playing intrigues me. In that aspect it is similar to martial arts or in my case Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.


message 53: by Yassemin (new)

Yassemin (yas666) Currently reading Saturday by Ian Mcewan as I didn't have any Japanese stuff to read until yesterday. I've bought Norwegian Wood, will probs read it next.


message 54: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments I plan to read Saturday sometime. I loved On Chesil Beach and Amsterdam.


message 55: by Yassemin (new)

Yassemin (yas666) Well unfortunately I gave up, couldn't get into it but I plan on picking up some more by him, just this one wasn't for me. I'm looking forward to picking Amsterdam and The Comfort of Strangers up in particular!


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Kyokugaisha | 1 comments I am about to start Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima. Could be heavy going but I shall be brave. Wish me luck.


message 57: by [deleted user] (new)

Kyokugaisha wrote: "I am about to start Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima. Could be heavy going but I shall be brave. Wish me luck."

I really enjoyed that book. I hope you do as well.


message 58: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments Yas wrote: "Well unfortunately I gave up, couldn't get into it but I plan on picking up some more by him, just this one wasn't for me. I'm looking forward to picking Amsterdam and The Comfort of Strangers up i..."

There is a movie The Comfort of Strangers which I didn't like..Also, I saw Enduring love... But wasn't very interesting... I prefer to read his work.


message 59: by Yassemin (new)

Yassemin (yas666) Me too. I heard Enduring Love as a movie wasn't very good. I think his writing is probably better than what a film could portray.


message 60: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments I agree.. Maybe it is because we imagine and create our own characters while we are reading and then we are disappointed after seeing it on the screen?


message 61: by Yassemin (new)

Yassemin (yas666) Yeah I think thats it. Also with the way Mcewan writes, stream of consciousness style in parts (like Saturday), its hard to imagine it being possible to actually translate it onto screen!


message 62: by [deleted user] (new)

I haven't read any of Ian Mcewan's books, but I have seen the movie Enduring Love. The movie was okay, but the opening scene was fantastic.


message 63: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments I. Mcewan is a writer whose style is clear, simple with sentences just flowing.. Almost poetry. But I must admit, even though I haven't read '' Atonement'' I liked the movie... Fantastic plot and acting...


message 64: by [deleted user] (new)

I will look for one of his books the next time I am at the used book store. Any recommendations?


message 65: by Phil (new)

Phil James Brad wrote: "Michael wrote: "Brad wrote: "I loved "The Master of Go". I was interested in the game and now after reading this book I am definitely going a buy a board. Kawabata was a master as well."

i loved m..."

In case you want to check it out there is an excellent site for playing live games of go against others on the web. You can also start by just observing.

http://www.gokgs.com/


message 66: by Yassemin (new)

Yassemin (yas666) Ivana wrote: "I. Mcewan is a writer whose style is clear, simple with sentences just flowing.. Almost poetry. But I must admit, even though I haven't read '' Atonement'' I liked the movie... Fantastic plot and..."

Yeah I liked the movie Atonement. It was good!

Brad- Atonements probably your best bet. Most people seem to like that one. I preferred Enduring love but Atonement is his bigger one.


message 67: by [deleted user] (new)

Phil wrote: "In case you want to check it out there is an excellent site for playing live games of go against others on the web. You can also start by just observing.

http://www.gokgs.com/ "


Thank you Phil. I will look into this. I like the fact that you can observe before committing to a game.

Yas- Thank you for your suggestion. I will read Atonement first.


message 68: by Praj (new)

Praj Works of Lafcadio Hearn.


message 69: by Xarah (new)

Xarah | 1 comments I just started "The Changeling" by Kenzaburo Oe. It's pretty good - I'm about 50 pages in!


message 70: by P. (new)

P. (shimizusan) | 8 comments Currently reading:

'Amulet' Roberto Bolano
'Retromancer' Robert Rankin
'Madame Bovary' Gustave Flaubert

All very different. All very good so far. No Japanese lit at the moment I'm afraid.


message 71: by Praj (new)

Praj Xarah wrote: "I just started "The Changeling" by Kenzaburo Oe. It's pretty good - I'm about 50 pages in!"

I'm trying to get my hands on it.The reviews are brilliant.


message 72: by Raven (new)

Raven (sriq) | 3 comments Just finished up Snow Country and Thousand Cranes by Yasunari Kawabata. Now I'm working on Death in Midsummer and The Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima.


message 73: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments Raven wrote: "Just finished up Snow Country and Thousand Cranes by Yasunari Kawabata. Now I'm working on Death in Midsummer and The Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima."

How did you like Snow Country and Thousand Cranes by Yasunari Kawabata?


message 74: by Raven (new)

Raven (sriq) | 3 comments Ivana wrote: "How did you like Snow Country and Thousand Cranes by Yasunari Kawabata? "

I think I liked Snow Country a bit more, but both were very amazing. I'm really liking the way Kawabata writes relationships and scenery so far. Everything is in kind of simple language, but it has so many layered meanings. Though I was a bit confused by the endings in both. But I'm going to try and get ahold of some more of his books like Beauty and Sadness soon.


message 75: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments Beauty and Sadness , definitely. It is my favorite...


message 76: by [deleted user] (new)

I started The Samurai by Shusaku Endo. I haven't gotten very far into it, but it is very good so far.

Raven I am curious what you think of The Temple of the Golden Pavilion. I enjoyed that book very much. Also I have not read any Kawabata that I did not think amazing so far.


message 77: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments Brad wrote: "I started The Samurai by Shusaku Endo. I haven't gotten very far into it, but it is very good so far.

Raven I am curious what you think of The Temple of the Golden Pavilion. I enjoyed that book ve..."


Well, you should give it a try, for Kawabata


message 78: by [deleted user] (new)

Ivana wrote: Well, you should give it a try, for Kawabata "

I have read Beauty and Sadness. It is a very good book, but not my favorite Kawabata novel.


message 79: by [deleted user] (new)

Parrish wrote: "If you're enjoying Samurai, have you tried the Sea & Poison or Glass Stained Elegies, both really good reads."

I saw a copy of Sea & Poison at a used book store today and I passed on it. I should have gotten it, but I do that sometimes. Plus I just started college and it has been twenty years since I was in school so I am trying not to acquire more to read books than I already own. It has been difficult.


message 80: by Brian R. (new)

Brian R. Mcdonald I read and collect fiction and literature which have scenes of the game of Go. Besides introducing me to many Japanese masterworks, from Kawabata to Soseki to Genji, it has also caused me to discover various popular writers such as the mystery writers Dale Furutani, Sujata Massey and Laura Joh Rowland. I have a shelf of slightly over 200 books in English [including those translated from Japanese, Chinese or Korean] which reference the game, If anyone knows of any obscure references of which I might not be aware, I'd love to hear about them.


message 81: by Margarete (new)

Margarete | 5 comments Dale Furutani's Samurai series is the best! He brought in so much of the culture and morals of bushido. I also loved the way he connected with the Japanese camps in the USA during the war.


message 82: by Brian R. (new)

Brian R. Mcdonald I agree. I don't know why he stopped writing, but I wish he would quit [quit stopping, that is].


message 83: by Margarete (new)

Margarete | 5 comments Ivana wrote: "Has anyone read Snow Country?"
It was good. More about someone who has everything and is still very shallow.


message 84: by Margarete (new)

Margarete | 5 comments Brian R. wrote: "I agree. I don't know why he stopped writing, but I wish he would quit [quit stopping, that is]."
I totally agree. Maybe he just had this limited number of books in him and then he ran dry.


message 85: by 4cats (new)

4cats (fourcats) Henning Mankell's The Dogs of Riga. Was disappointed in my last outing of Japanese fiction which was Taichi Yamada's I haven't Dreamed of Flying for a While, I loved Strangers, but couldn't get away with this read.


message 86: by Kamakana (new)

Kamakana | 54 comments has anyone read japanese sf that is not manga? i have read of but not read some, only title i remember is japan sinks. i know much japanese work follows the fantastic without usual genre differences in western lit, but what about 'hard' sf?


message 87: by 4cats (new)

4cats (fourcats) thegift wrote: "has anyone read japanese sf that is not manga? i have read of but not read some, only title i remember is japan sinks. i know much japanese work follows the fantastic without usual genre differenc..."

you could try Usurper of the Sun by Housuke Nojiri, Issui Ogawa maybe worth a punt as well.


message 88: by Praj (last edited Nov 23, 2010 08:05AM) (new)

Praj Shadowings - Lafcadio Hearn.I haven't read Murakami for a while. Maybe re-read Sputnik Sweetheart.One of my fav.Murakami.


message 89: by Elaine (new)

Elaine Runaway Horses. I meant to read all of The Sea of Fertility this year...don't think I'll make it :)


message 90: by 4cats (new)

4cats (fourcats) am thinking of reading norwegian wood, try to spread murakami out so i'll always have something to look forward to reading, man is a genius.


message 91: by Brian R. (new)

Brian R. Mcdonald The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet, set in Nagasaki in 1700. Excellent so far. I have somewhat put it aside to finish Shadow of the Wind, but Thousand Autumns seemed more appropriate to list for this group discussion.


message 92: by Satria (last edited Dec 05, 2010 07:12PM) (new)

Satria Anggaprana | 3 comments I'm about to start Mishima's Forbidden Colors but i just feel confused by the English version, every word seems to be too archaic for me.

I love Murakami's "Wind-up Bird Chronicle", but there is something remains in my mind after i read that book and it is a phrase: "wind-up bird". I'm still guessing what is the meaning of the phrase in that novel actually.


message 93: by N. (new)

N. (nonodisco) I'm reading No Longer Human, and not sure whether I'm enjoying it or not. The occasional phrase piques my interest, but overall I find Donald Keene's translation to make for slow going.


message 94: by Raven (new)

Raven (sriq) | 3 comments Just finished up The Woman in the Dunes by Kobo Abe. I really liked it, even though it made me feel very claustrophobic at times. Now I'm starting on The Master of Go by Yasunari Kawabata.


message 95: by Praj (new)

Praj Thinking of starting Murakami's "Wind-up Bird Chronicle".It's been on the shelf for a while.


message 96: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments It may seem strange but I've just bought my first Murakami's book '' After dark''... I am about to read it during Christmas holidays.. I am looking forward to it.......


message 97: by Selina (new)

Selina (selinatng) | 1 comments Ivana wrote: "I've just bought my first Murakami's book '' After dark''.."
After dark was my first Murakami's book too. I did enjoy it. I am hoping to start on Norwegian Woods because a movie based on this novel is coming soon.


message 98: by Ivana (new)

Ivana | 24 comments Yes, the movie has just been released in Japan....
Hope to see it soon in Europe....


message 99: by Satria (new)

Satria Anggaprana | 3 comments Oh my, Japanese books are really great!! I'm reading "Grotesque" Natsuo Kirino.

I can't wait, hope i can watch Norwegian Woods' movie.


message 100: by 4cats (new)

4cats (fourcats) Selina wrote: "Ivana wrote: "I've just bought my first Murakami's book '' After dark''.."
After dark was my first Murakami's book too. I did enjoy it. I am hoping to start on Norwegian Woods because a movie based..."

loved after dark love murakami


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