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Does anyone else like the endings to the trilogies?!
I have never read Legend (want to), but I have noticed that I HATE the endings to dystopian trilogies! The Maze Runner, The Hunger Games, and Divergent, all have endings I hate! What is up with that? I loved the first two books, and then I hate the last
I am currently reading Champion so I'll give you my opinion on that later but I have to agree with Kamiko. I hated the ending to Allegiant, Mockingjay was disappointing, and I just hated all of The Death Cure though the ending was okayish. You have an awesome tastes in books it's just authors have a horrible taste in how to end their books.
ѵíղíԵɑ wrote: "I am currently reading Champion so I'll give you my opinion on that later but I have to agree with Kamiko. I hated the ending to Allegiant, Mockingjay was disappointing, and I just hated the Death ..."Finally someone understands me! Yeah, I loved the books, hated the endings, read them again, hated the endings.
Mockinjay- (view spoiler)
Allegiant-(view spoiler)
Death Cure-(view spoiler)
Sorry, I had to do that rant
Oh, I HATED The Death Cure! But that was the only one... Death Cure's ending almost made me throw the book across the room. But I liked the rest, I don't know. Maybe I am the only one... haha
I personally love the first two books of a dystopian trilogies, and then when I get to the third book, I feel a bit disappointed during the story like The Death Cure and Allegiant. I haven't read Champion, so I don't have a opinion on that, but those are the feelings I have for the Divergent Trilogy and the Maze Runner Trilogy.
I usually HATE the middle book. And then the third seems fantastic in comparison.
I don't think I either loved or hated any of the endings of the trilogies I've read. There were some that I thought weren't the best. Some that were ruined long before the end of the book *cough*Allegiant*cough*. And some that weren't actually finished when they ended (Requiem). Mostly, I think the endings were alright. Mockingjay, for instance was the natural ending for the seires. The only other realistic ending would be if the rebellion wasn't successful and everyone died. Which would have been pretty depressing. Personally, I think if someone hates every ending they read, it's because they're too picky. When you read a series, you have opinions - you want it to turn out a certain way and if it doesn't, you're disappointed.
Dramapuppy wrote: "I usually HATE the middle book. And then the third seems fantastic in comparison."Oh my gosh, me too! I didn't like Catching Fire OR Insurgent as much as I liked Mockingjay or Allegiant! I don't remember about Prodigy (I thought all three books were fantastic), but that seems to be the way it goes with me!!
I'm usually really diappointed with the last book in a trilogy too! I don't know why really, it's not that I'm upset or annoyed that a main character is killed off, or that everything didn't work out perfectly in the end...I actually quite like it when authors do something controversial or different, BUT only if it's done right! I hate when something is done purely for shock value or is emotionally manipulative when it has no effect on the actual story! Wasn't a big fan of Mockingjay, Allegiant or Champion.
That said, there have been some last books that i've loved! The Forever Song (#3 Blood of Eden), The Amber Spyglass (#3 His Dark Materials), City of Glass (#3 The Mortal Instruments) were all great!
I liked the ending to Divergent Series more so than The Hunger Games although I liked it too. I think the endings aren't really want people want because it goes against what we have been taught to think. Books are like fairy tales and have happy endings. But the truth is yes, that's what we read them for, and 2 series had a happy ending, just not a happy ending for everyone. I cried a little when some people from the Hunger Games died. I didn't cry at all for Divergent but somehow to me, it's more suitable an ending that having it the way most others want.
I usually love the endings of the trilogies!!! In some cases, they're my favourite book of the three!! I cried when I read the ending of Allegiant and Mockingjay!!!
I didn't love the ending of the Divergent series but I was satisfied with it. It kind of felt like a cop out to me. As for The Hunger Games Trilogy, I did like the ending. At first, I wasn't so sure I was satisfied with until I realize, the way it ended was really the only way it could have ended.
BTW, I'm a lot like @dramapuppy...I have a tendency to dislike the middle book. Most times, it's because the middle books are transitional and they tend to be slow moving.
I finished Champion and OH THE FEEEEEEELLLLLSSSS!!!!I did however liked it better than Prodigy.
My favorite books in all of the trilogies mentioned are as followed: From favorite to least favorite:
The Hunger Games: Catching Fire, The Hunger Games, Mockingjay
Divergent: Insurgent, Divergent, Allegiant
The Maze Runner: The Maze Runner, The Scorch Trials, The Death Cure
Legend: Legend, Champion, Prodigy
Allegiant was really dissapointing, did not like it. Mockingjay was pretty boring until the end so I was satisfied.
Champion was freaking fantastic. Loved the Legend trilogy, all three books are really good. I was fine with the ending, it just sucked to be done with it.
i liked the ending of allegiant.I understand why veronica roth killed off tris and i was sad but she died to save the city.
I despised Allegiant, with the ending the rotten cherry on top.I liked Mockingjay; I felt that the darkness inside Katniss made her unnervingly relatable.
I ADORED Champion, especially compared to Allegiant, especially in the difference between the (Spoilers for both w/ rage-y rant ahead) (view spoiler)
I hated the endings.
I think the end of Allegiant was very fitting for the series. I think its because as a reader one is taking this journey with Tris. The reader comes to understands Tris is maturing and also learning lessons about life. so I think that Veronica Roth wanted to show that mature confident Tris made the right choice in that situation.
I like the ending for Allegiant, I felt it was beautiful somehow. Although (view spoiler) I love how Tobias finally went ziplining to (view spoiler) I don't like the ending to Mockingjay though, I just ugh!! I felt that everything was just (view spoiler)
allegiant has a dumb ending period.
Cindy wrote: "I like the ending for Allegiant, I felt it was beautiful somehow. Although [spoilers removed] I love how Tobias finally went ziplining to [spoilers removed] I don't like the ending to Mockingjay th..."I also like how it ended with Tobias facing his fear of heights and zip lining (view spoiler)
I don't know, I just found the ending really confusing. like id expected from the start that someone had put them in there cause the lock was on the outside. It was just the genetic stuff was confusing and then how Tobias is Divergent but also isn't. Tris' death didn't anger me though, just upset but I see how she went through a period of growth and came to that final decision.
Maddie wrote: "I don't know, I just found the ending really confusing. like id expected from the start that someone had put them in there cause the lock was on the outside. It was just the genetic stuff was confu..."Wow, you REALLY need a spoiler mark on that. I do agree with you though. It was odd.
Allegient: Hm, okay. (view spoiler)Mockingjay: You know, that ending made sense. It made so much sense. (view spoiler)
Maze Runner: James Dashner be like: "And let's run the plot off in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION from the first book AND the second!" Sigh...
Haven't read Champion. Actually, I don't remember the first book much.
This is true, I never really thought about it....but the maze runner, hunger games, divergent, I really liked th first two books but the third books were a. Let downs. Allegiant was awful and ruined the series for me. The last hunger games I thought was awful. And the death cure, was the best out of the three but still I just thought there were too many questions left unanswered and the final solution seemed...wrong
Sic Transit Gloria wrote: "Allegient: Hm, okay. [spoilers removed]Mockingjay: You know, that ending made sense. It made so much sense. [spoilers removed]
Maze Runner: James Dashner be like: "And let's run the plot off in ..."
I agree with everything.
Well, at first I didn't understand, but then I read Veronica Roth's answer on Goddreads, and I was like oh. Well the 1st and 2nd will still be my fav.
Sometimes, I think, authors write trilogies because they don't know how to write a good ending. By writing a trilogy, they don't actually have to write an ending for three books.It's like chess. I can play a good game but my endgame stinks. These authors just can't write a good ending; their endgame stinks.
Laura wrote: "Sometimes, I think, authors write trilogies because they don't know how to write a good ending. By writing a trilogy, they don't actually have to write an ending for three books.It's like chess. ..."
Nice.
Laura wrote: "Sometimes, I think, authors write trilogies because they don't know how to write a good ending. By writing a trilogy, they don't actually have to write an ending for three books.It's like chess. ..."
I agree mostly.
Laura wrote: "Sometimes, I think, authors write trilogies because they don't know how to write a good ending. By writing a trilogy, they don't actually have to write an ending for three books.It's like chess. ..."
I think Roth had good intentions, it just fell apart. Also the book was boring, so maybe she just got lazy.
Zoe wrote: "In my case The Second book is always my favorite, and I hate the last book"Me to. Although a lot of terrible fights between Tris and Four and that was their last book before you know... but now, everytime I read where they have a fight I'm like "NO, STOP! TRIS IS GOING TO (SPOILER) AND YOU GUYS NEED TO LOVE EACH OTHER BEFORE TRIS (SPOILER) SO GET YOURSELF TOGETHER!"
Dramapuppy wrote: "Sic Transit Gloria wrote: "Allegient: Hm, okay. [spoilers removed]Mockingjay: You know, that ending made sense. It made so much sense. [spoilers removed]
Maze Runner: James Dashner be like: "And..."
yep
I think authors write trilogies because it's become so you HAVE to be a trilogy to be popular. I know authors who wrapped up their entire series but wrote more for money and fame.
Dramapuppy wrote: "I think authors write trilogies because it's become so you HAVE to be a trilogy to be popular. I know authors who wrapped up their entire series but wrote more for money and fame."I don't think authors have to write trilogies to be popular. I think it's expensive to get a book out to market so publishers are insisting on trilogies to recoup the money they spend. It's similar to how the movie-makers are dividing a single book up into two (or, heaven forbid, three) different movies to make extra cash.
So what's an author to do? Write one good story (which could have ended in one book) and then stretch it out with lots of unnecessary drama (such as fights between the female protagonist and her boyfriend(s)), all the while trying to end each book with a cliffhanger so that the public will continue to buy the series and watch the movies.
I agree with the money thing, Laura. But let me clarify what I meant: YA authors have to write trilogies. Why? Compare the number of popular YA trilogies to the number of popular YA stand-alones.
Nah I think with these dystopian type stuff, the first book and idea is usually about the falling apart of the society or the character trying to survive something (so, in Divergent, the attack and the society falls apart, in The Hunger Games, Katniss getting through the Hunger Games, and in Maze Runner, getting out of the maze) and once this happens it has to lead to an uprising or a major change or something, so they have to write more books because it can't be the end of the story.... I think I explained that really badly.
Anyway.
Hunger Games Mockingjay: I loved it. I had no problem with it. It was perfect to me.
Maze Runner ending: I despised it. The explanation for the maze was one of those that excuse whatever the author wants to happen without requiring a clever or fitting reason. Too bad, 'cause I really liked the first book. But yeah I guess a giant maze is pretty hard to explain.
Allegiant: [The spoilers are kind of implied so don't read my comment if you haven't read it] That ending was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. Completely. Unnecessary. And frankly not even realistic. Or good. Or beneficial in any way. All it's done is upset a whole bunch of people and I don't know why an author would choose to do that. And it mostly ruined the whole thing for me, and I hope they change it for the movie.
Lisette wrote: "Allegiant: [The spoilers are kind of implied so don't read my comment if you haven't read it] That ending was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. Completely. Unnecessary. And frankly not even realistic. Or good. Or beneficial in any way. All it's done is upset a whole bunch of people and I don't know why an author would choose to do that."The author chose to do that so she would never have to deal with the character again. The author is free to write about other characters' stories now.
Lisette wrote: "Nah I think with these dystopian type stuff, the first book and idea is usually about the falling apart of the society or the character trying to survive something (so, in Divergent, the attack and..."Ms Roth may think it is extremely realistic to (view spoiler) but i don't feel that way. although i respect her decision, i feel she became too tragedy happy. allegiant simply asked us to embrace death. sure readers are not idiots, but to use such strong emotion in a teen book? this is sloppy. all along her plan must have been to end it that way. because the plot went south. scratch that, there was no plot development.
first books are good. second books waver and third are usually lost to execution.
when i read champion before allegiant, i got mad at Marie. dystopian is such an annoying genre.
Laura wrote: "Lisette wrote: "Allegiant: [The spoilers are kind of implied so don't read my comment if you haven't read it] That ending was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. Completely. Unnecessary. And frankly not even r..."she is free to write other characters and then (view spoiler)
I was really disappointed in the Allegiant ending. Even sorry that I bought the mass market paperback. I would rather have stopped with the second one and used my own imagined resolution after that.
I liked the Hunger Games ending. I couldn't see it ending any other way. I thought it was tragically beautiful. As for Alligent, I hated that book and I was glad (spolier) that she died! I did love the first two books so I was really upset with the awful third book.
I wasn't really a fan of the whole Maze Runner Series so the ending to me was the same quality as the first two books.
I think that killing the main character is such a cheap way to get emotion from your readers.
Lisette wrote: "I think that killing the main character is such a cheap way to get emotion from your readers."Yes, it can be. But it can also be honest and realistic. I think the latter is the case, here.
Dramapuppy wrote: "Lisette wrote: "I think that killing the main character is such a cheap way to get emotion from your readers."Yes, it can be. But it can also be honest and realistic. I think the latter is the ca..."
That's why I liked the ending to Allegiant so much, because it was so honest to Tris's personal story!
I actually liked the ending to Allegiant because (view spoiler). As for Mockingjay, I read it so long ago and I liked it back then. I feel like if I read it now I'd like it less. There were certain things that bothered me, but overall I thought it was an okay ending.
I agree about Allegiant, Chloe.
Lisette wrote: "I think that killing the main character is such a cheap way to get emotion from your readers."Yeah, and the death was so contrived any emotional response other than outrage at the stupidity of it all was wiped out.
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So... did anyone else like ALL the endings to the trilogies (Mockingjay, Allegiant, Champion, etc.)? Or am I alone?? ...