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LOL Ian! I haven't noticed that but having boobs myself they're not that fascinating. I think you'll love episode 6, Black Jack is amazing and so is Claire. How have you been enjoying the tv series?
Here are a few stills for Ep 7... We'll have to see if your theory plays out.
Oh my.I think there might be an escape attempt in progress.
I've enjoyed the last three episodes but I think the first two weren't as good.
I'm worried they'll be a little nip slip - ha! I think in those corsets an A cup would be over flowing. How is Jamie looking her in the eye?
LMAO, you guys are cracking me up!
I cannot imagine wearing something like that with my DDD breasts. Although it may calm the beasts :) So uncomfortable!
Ooh my, this is bloody funny! Agreed! If you were the modest type in the 1740's those well endowed souls would need to be wearing full 'Tuttle neck' style corsets (there's probably a proper term for those) lol.
I hate even wearing a bra - I can't imagine the torture of wearing a corsett with the ribs and all.
Oh well. Episode 6 scotched the rating method. It was kind of dull and no breasts. Although the way it ended was great. I kind of think that entire section where Claire was first talking with the assembled officers and then questioned by Jack Randall could have been handled in 20 minutes. Instead it was pretty much the entire episode.
I totally agree with Ian, this episode was supremely boring.BUT that teaser for the next episode...SMOKIN'. I can't wait until tomorrow!
I think the first section, with the other officers, could have been shorter. But I wouldn't change a thing about the questioning by Randall. The slow build of it, the way he toyed with her emotions, it was amazing acting. I was on the edge of my seat.Overall though, it was my favorite episode so far. It held me more riveted than the past ones.
WOW I though it was very intense and anything but dull. But then again I am not considering the booby factor. Besides it makes me cringe to see them all mashed up in those corsets.
Diane wrote: "I hate even wearing a bra - I can't imagine the torture of wearing a corsett with the ribs and all."I can completely relate.
do we need to put a spoielr tag on this convo?
Yeah, that's probably a good idea. I'll add it.
Stacia (the 2010 club) wrote: "Diane wrote: "I hate even wearing a bra - I can't imagine the torture of wearing a corsett with the ribs and all."I can completely relate."
ha ha...a little bit country ... a little bit NSFW .... very funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh2Pj...
Episode 7. Damn...that was like having teeth pulled. You know that circle thing they used to do at weddings....how boring it was? Episode 7 was more boring than that.
But a lot of (view spoiler) so I guess my rating method is back on the rails.
Hahahaha! What did you think was boring, Ian?
Leea wrote: "Hahahaha! What did you think was boring, Ian?"Flashbacks drive me insane...and maybe 50% of the episode was flashbacks. They could have quite easily done the episode as a conventional narrative and ended with the wedding and the boobs and it would have been less frustrating.
The old adage "KISS" (Keep it simple, stupid)
They're really trying to stretch this out and because of that, not all that much is happening in an episode.
CB travels back in time, meets JF and her husband's evil ancestor. C&J fall in in love. J gets caught, C rescues him. They escape to France.
That's me condensing outlander into tweet size. OK there are other things that are worthwhile...the witch trial for example but honestly the series is just meandering along without all that much happening.
I think it usually works in the books, but on TV it's tedious.
aproos the nip slip that didn't happen: Terry (terrydresbach.com) mentioned in her blog, or in an interview that there had been a little ruff detail along the bosom, but that in removing the wool cape, it just disintegrated after so many takes. No time to fix, since they were in the middle of a shot, so the costumers just stood by the sidelines in pain, watching it die. Thus, more cleavage. But it was still appropriate to the fashions of the era. thus are the vagaries of production.
Ian wrote: "Oh my.I think there might be an escape attempt in progress.
I've enjoyed the last three episodes but I think the first two weren't as good."
I loved the 2nd episode, it's the 1st introduction to the attraction of Jamie and Claire and I think that's important that they lead into the love.. I liked the wedding one the best but only the Claire and Jamie scenes, some of the other scenes I think detracted from it. I think the boob scenes are a man's idea of what should be on TV so I'm glad to see a man saying that they were less interesting Ian. You restore my faith in men (lol!)
Diane wrote: "I hate even wearing a bra - I can't imagine the torture of wearing a corset with the ribs and all."Yes, it must of been hell for women in those days and very uncomfortable. I think Claire breast in that wedding dress looked uncomfortable as well, I loved the dress but Caitorina's breasts are small so when they were pushed up by the corset to make them look bigger, her nipples almost were showing. But of course they did that for the boob lovers (LOL!).
Ian wrote: "Flashbacks drive me insane...and maybe 50% of the episode was flashbacks. They could have quite easily done the episode as a convention..."I so agree with you Ian, I hated the flash backs, they had way too many. I maybe could of stood 1 or 2 max. But they had way too many. And that one about the priest, was horrible. Not to mention when it got to the wedding the church they were using did have stained glass windows (I doubt they put them in, in a day)... And the ring flashback was a disaster too, it really pissed off a lot of fans that had went out and bought a ring like the one in the book. Plus it screws up the story down the road, as a big scene in the book was around Jamie giving Claire a ring.. But even with all that, I did love the Claire and Jamie love scenes.. So well done, so I forgive them for messing up some of it.
Mary wrote: "Ian wrote: "Oh my.I think there might be an escape attempt in progress.
I've enjoyed the last three episodes but I think the first two weren't as good."
I loved the 2nd episode, it's the 1st int..."
I hope this article from the Huffington post pastes correctly below. It is an amazing review of the wedding episode, and well worth reading. I would be interested in hearing what you all think of it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09...
i liked the wedding episode (now that I finally watched it) - but i'll talk about it in the spoiler thread...
Carol wrote: I would be interested in hearing what you all think of it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09... "
The article said:
("The erotic -- from a female viewpoint -- rarely finds its way onscreen," Loofbourow wrote. "Women are sexual scavengers: we cobble arousal out of things not intended to stimulate us because we're not considered worth stimulating." As she noted, "Game of Thrones," with rare exceptions, all but ignores the gaze of viewers who appreciate the male form)
I totally agree with this we very rarely get TV from a female view of sexuality and that is one reason I did like the love scenes as shot in the Wedding Episode. They were very well done and totally romantic. But what we saw in terms of the feminine view was basically from the book. Not something invented for the screen, but something Ron was brave enough to follow.
The article goes on to saying:
(I’m used to seeing breast after breast after buttock after breast while understanding that they're not there for me, that my enjoyment of them)
This is the reason I didn't like the flashback about the brothel. It was not there for women, but rather to satisfy that male need for boobs unrelated to romantic love. The book had her smelling the dress bought to her and thinking that it might of come from a brothel and they could of done that easily. They expanded on that idea to include the male view of sex (whores and breasts for men, not for me).
The article says:
(The decision not to do the usual, boring thing was reflected in how the couple's three sex acts were shot over the course of the hour. It wasn't the chain of the predictable sequences that we typically see; it wasn't about the male's confident conquests of the compliant lady-prize.)
No it wasn't the chain of sequences that we typically see, however, that in my opinion was where it failed to deliver what was so well written and delivered in DG books.
DG wrote the 3 love scenes exquisitely. It was her putting them in the feminine view to begin with only she did it better than the screen version.
I give Ron cudo's for showing the feminine side of these love scenes. It took courage to do that and that was different for TV. I hope he continues to have that courage, but the episode following the Wedding episode makes me wonder if he has. For in that episode we didn't get the romantic love scenes of the book, but we did get the attempted rapes.
We see sex from the male view on most shows, like Game of Thrones all the time on TV. We rarely get the female view, or the admittance that females are also interested in romance and in erotic male orientated scenes. I hope that the production company does not back down from that, as it is what the books do so well, and it breaking new grounds on TV.
Mary wrote: "We see sex from the male view on most shows"So true. Most depictions of sex...everything from porn to HBO are kind of a perversion of what sex should be. The woman is just there on display and the man bangs into her. That ain't making love. It's a part of it but it's also a part of rape. So why is that the focus?
I actually think TV shows should use sex scenes to teach men about making love rather than just reinforcing the slightly misogynistic idea that 'women are there for the taking'.
I was watching a story on Huffington Post about Feminist Porn. It was quite interesting to see a female porn star talk about making films where the woman chooses who she has sex with and decides where things go.
Ian wrote: "Mary wrote: "We see sex from the male view on most shows"So true. Most depictions of sex...everything from porn to HBO are kind of a perversion of what sex should be. The woman is just there on..."
I was just thinking the same thing about how Outlander should be watched by men that want to understand women better. It's like a great learning tool for men to understanding what women think is romantic and sexual. I think many men could use that sensitivity. I think women have been seeing what turns men on for a long time on TV, it's about time they get to see what turns us on. (LOL!)
I loved the sex scenes! I was simply agog because finally, the sexiest parts were for me, a woman! I loved getting a nice long gander at Jamie's (sam's) body and not exclusively having to see Claire's. it's nice to see the feminine sexuality being satisfied for once. Perhaps this may spark a revolution in television.
Vanessa Eden wrote: "I loved the sex scenes! I was simply agog because finally, the sexiest parts were for me, a woman! I loved getting a nice long gander at Jamie's (sam's) body and not exclusively having to see Clair..."LOL! I hope so!!
Mary, Did you know that Episodes 7 & 8 were directed by a woman?
So it wasn't just Ron's view but also the director's.
Sheila wrote: "Mary, Did you know that Episodes 7 & 8 were directed by a woman?
So it wasn't just Ron's view but also the director's."
Yes, I knew that. I think however in the hierarchy of what gets included and what get's cut it's probably more Ron than anyone else. He may get many inputs from the writers, the directors, DG, and even the cast. But basically he's the top banana. I'm assuming that like in any business, that means final approval. So I attribute the show's episodes to him. But that's JMO.
So am I the only one who has noticed that the less exciting episodes of the TV series have boobs, while the better episodes don't?
I haven't seen Ep6 yet, but I'm wondering if I see breasts early if maybe I should skip ahead to the next episode.
Not that breasts aren't great or anything, they're completely awesome, but well...they're just not the same on TV.
(nervous laugh)