Ugly Love
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Anyone else get angry at Rachel? (Contains Spoiler)
Absolutely... Or she thought he would be fine after some time too. If she did, she expected him to be either.
I completely agree, the fact she waited so long living her happy life pissed me off while Miles stayed a shell of a person.
I was angry with her i thought she was a selfish coward, I understood she was in pain but she DID NOT deserve Miles!! She Broke him.
YES!!!She blamed him the entire time, didn't feel his pain, didn't think except for herself which is sort of 'okaaaayyyy' when you are under shock. However, she opened up again, loved another person, had another family n left him to rot!
EXACTLY!!!!Rachel Rachel Rachel pretty much pissed me off from the start but when we find out she left him hanging for six years... Who does that to someone they supposedly loved???
Rachel was very selfish, and what she did too Miles was wrong on so many levels.
I too was a little frustrated with Rachel. I was okay with the fact that she walked away to deal with her issues. I felt that it was the cowards way out, but I understand how traumatic it is to lose a child. She retreated into herself and then to another state.I do agree that once she got herself put back together with a good support system she should have reached out, at least to make sure Miles was handling things okay. They could have done a "couple's" session to discuss the loss because it was fair for Miles to be saddled with all that guilt for 6 years.
I totally agree!!She was an inmature and selfish girl, they both should have get psychological therapy, where the parents, they should have help them.
So much unnecessary suffering.
I totally agreed with all of you. Rachel simply resolved her life issues and moved on like nothing ever happened and nobody else was involved.
No guilty feelings after told Miles it was all his fault they lose the baby in that tragic accident.
She didn't care, that's all.
Glad I'm not the only one who didn't like Rachel. I always thought she was kind of immature and I didn't understand why Miles loves her so much. I think she never really demonstrate her love to him. And then with all that happened...I get it must have been hard , but the minute she was better and getting a family she could have done something about Miles. Tate and Miles were so awesome together! THAT couple I do understand.
I'm so glad I'm not the only feeling this way.
Gigi wrote: "I totally agreed with all of you. Rachel simply resolved her life issues and moved on like nothing ever happened and nobody else was involved.
No guilty feelings after told Miles it was all his f..."
I agree Gigi, she was very selfish and heartless. For someone who supposedly had loved him so much. I understand how people tend to blame in these types of situations but they are wrong to do so and leaving it, well forever cos Miles went to her after 6 years, she was happy to just carry on happily with her life. Most people would realise the wrong they had done blaming the father, who was suffering to and try to help release him of any guilt she placed on him. Bitch! Damn I better stop I'm getting worked up LOL :)
Assia wrote: "YES!!!She blamed him the entire time, didn't feel his pain, didn't think except for herself which is sort of 'okaaaayyyy' when you are under shock. However, she opened up again, loved another pers..."
TOTALLY AGREE!!! She should have sent Miles a letter when she came to the conclusion to forgive him. He harbored all of that guilt, stress, unhappiness for all those years. She could/should have handled that better.
I totally thought she's the luckiest girl for having Miles. But then after knowing what happened and how she dealt with it, she got into my nerve. How dare she! i think she was too selfish to move on and not clearing things with Miles.
I loved every minute of this book....
yes I was not happy with her not because of her reaction because as a mom I understand her but at the fact that she should have reached out to him and absolved him of the guilt he was feeling even if it was 3 years later! I did not like the fact that there was so much of Rachel in this book I felt Tate got crumbs while this love story flashback of Rachel got a sweet caring man.
wow i completely disagree but it seems its just me not that i want to ruin ur party or whatever but rachel was the most relatable character in the book imo and i don't think u'd be able to understand her pain unless u were a mother urself (not that i am but after reading the scene i sat with my mother and we discussed it) and i think you all should try to understand rachel's side of the story before u go on and judge her
Menna wrote: "wow i completely disagree but it seems its just me not that i want to ruin ur party or whatever but rachel was the most relatable character in the book imo and i don't think u'd be able to understa..."I think everyone understands that she was hurting and it was a tremendous loss. I think what upset everyone was the fact that she just let Miles go on thinking he didn't deserve to be happy while she did. It took her a long time to get to that point, but she did. All the while Miles struggled to just live. No one expected her reach out the next day or anything, but at some point you have to realize you aren't the only that got hurt.
I miscarried and while it isn't the exact same thing it is still extremely emotional. My husband and I struggled a lot after that. We were both hurting, neither reaching out to the other. It took a lot to get past it, but sometimes after a little time has passed by you have to think of others as well. That idea, I think is the one everyone was talking about.
Katrina wrote: "Menna wrote: "wow i completely disagree but it seems its just me not that i want to ruin ur party or whatever but rachel was the most relatable character in the book imo and i don't think u'd be ab..."I see where u r coming from and i totally understand ur point what i don't tolerate was some comments about how perfect miles is and how she doesn't deserve him and while i agree rachel should've reached out to miles i don't think she realised how much time it would take for miles to move on and in some ways he had held himself down it wasn't entirely rachel's fault so imagine my surprise when i see some people calling her a 'bitch' just for being a flawed REAL character
Menna wrote: "Katrina wrote: "Menna wrote: "wow i completely disagree but it seems its just me not that i want to ruin ur party or whatever but rachel was the most relatable character in the book imo and i don't..."I can see that. I don't necessarily think she was a "b". I think they both got lost along the way and didn't know how to dig themselves out of it. Rachel managed to do it and Miles hadn't yet.
All in all it was still a good book, and what book is good without at least a little tension? ;)
Katrina wrote: "Menna wrote: "Katrina wrote: "Menna wrote: "wow i completely disagree but it seems its just me not that i want to ruin ur party or whatever but rachel was the most relatable character in the book i..."Absolutely , it was nice to talk to you
I don't think miles was sweet at all, he was to Rachel but he was a shell of a man to Tate maybe because he was so sweet to Rachel when they were together is why she didn't think he would get stuck in grief. I didn't dislike her character but I wish I had read less about her
Silvana wrote: "Glad I'm not the only one who didn't like Rachel. I always thought she was kind of immature and I didn't understand why Miles loves her so much. I think she never really demonstrate her love to him..."I agree! I myself could not understood what it was exactly that Miles saw in her (especially considering what a great guy he is)! I doubt it's possible to completely abandon a person you supposedly loved, had a child with [and lost]. You're going to be connected by those incidents throughout life and the fact that she chose to live in her own happy bubble made her seem like a conceited person in my eyes.
I never particularly liked Rachel either. And I'm really really glad that Colleen did n't kill her off along with the baby.
That would immortalise this perfect and beautiful conception Miles had of her. And it would be even more agonisng for Miles to let go of her.
Because in reality, Rachel was n't as sweet or freespirted and kind, as Miles often remembers her to be.
And I like that if I had to choose a HEA for one of the two relationships in his life, I can with a clear conscious choose Tate, and all the suffering involved.
Because it is evident that they could trudge though the strongest catastrophes and tattered times, and that their's is a love that would survive and thrive, not shrivel when hard times are near.
Rachel never struck me as a Brave girl, though I suppose we just have n't seen her presented with a opputinity to portray her courage, aside from the focal mistake she made.
I don't blame her for that. Grief untreated can ruin lives and loves.
I don't think we can name tag her as a vicious soulless being, for not reaching out towards Miles to obtain closure.
I''m sure it was a very awkward and uncomfortable situation for her, and she must have been afraid as well.
I suppose she never truly realised how severely the guilt she placed on Miles would effect him. And figured a clean break was the best course of action.
Granted it's the cowards way out.
She came across utterly unremarkable in my eyes...
But I did not hate her. And I don't think she's a dispecable being.
I agree with Violet. While I do agree that Rachel was selfish, I think you can't really put that much blame on her character. I think what Colleen Hoover wrote for Rachel could be a very real situation. Until you have a child and lose a child, you never know how you're going to react. It's easier to place blame on someone or something to have a reason for what has happened. And she was only 18. That's really young to try and deal with it all. I'm not saying they shouldn't have talked it all out at some point, but how was she to know that he hadn't moved on too? How was she to know that her forgiving him or moving on wasn't going to hurt him even more? I mean, Miles chose not to really deal with it and move on. He chose not to forgive himself.
i agree to an extent ! but obviously the whole book was about miles and him trying to move on , see past his horrible life experiences and i think the fact that rachel didn't forgive him/tell him she moved on makes the book. if she did so early then the book wouldn't be what it is
Yineth wrote: "yes I was not happy with her not because of her reaction because as a mom I understand her but at the fact that she should have reached out to him and absolved him of the guilt he was feeling even ..."Completely agree! Hated his POV and all the Rachel, Rachel, Rachel, ugh!
Rachel was so selfish. She let Miles take all the blame for the death of the kid, it wasn't his fault, it just happened. I always thought, Miles loved her more than she loved him.
Agree agree agree
YES! Totally, I hate Rachel...she had a pathetic reason to leave Miles and never came back to him! She is such a...(let me mind my language)
In honesty,can Rachel be blamed for Miles not moving on?I don't think so. Was she selfish in the end?Yeah for blaming him. Miles needed therapy not confirmation from Rachel...life is cruel,do not rely on people. Mind is crazy but you are the only one that can control it.
I wouldn't say I blamed Rachel. But... instead of going through the pain with Miles, she left him and more... she broke him! If you truly love someone, you stick by their side, through thick and thin. Miles was doing that for her, because he loved her so much. Then, she moved on with another person?? Tsk tsk tsk. It's ok, I like Tate more anyway.
I was very angry at her for leaving him the way she did. For not trying to get over the pain together. But then again, I have never been in this situation so I don't know how I would react.
I was angry with her because she left Miles in the middle of a very hard situation but I cannot blame her, because she reacted like a normal human would react, she lost her child and that is a situation too difficult to be in, so she did something to continue with her life even if that choice affected Miles. She was selfish but she is human.
I don't think that Rachel considered that Miles would hurting for so long and she needed time to herself. I think that she originally planned to contact him, but never got around to it figuring he was having a good a life you can in those circumstances.
I did...thank goodness am not the only one! somehow I felt that she should have at least tried to reach out to Miles, but it made the story much better when Miles finally came to her...
Me too...She was selfish at least she could have told him that she was happy! But I also I get it had to be that way for the story to flow.
Silvana wrote: "Glad I'm not the only one who didn't like Rachel. I always thought she was kind of immature and I didn't understand why Miles loves her so much. I think she never really demonstrate her love to him..."I agree Silvana, for some reason I didn't think Rachel was as into Miles as he was into her and that is what turned me off from her from the start...and then at the end she moved on with her life and had that baby...whew...talk about pissed...to see Miles break down in the hallway hurting...gee wiz...I cried.
I actually felt the opposite. If anyone annoyed me it was the lead character for choosing to sleep with a guy and hoping for a different outcome than what he had told her would happen. I was actually more invested in Rachel and Miles as a couple. Not that I didn't find Rachel's reaction to what happened terrible. I certainly felt that way. Terrible but yet sympathetic. She was young. And even youth doesn't always explain the terrible way she reacted through her grief. Many couples much older split up after the death of a child because of the same reason.
I wasn't overly irritated with her for not contacting Miles either. I can't look down on her for not making peace with him. We can't forget that she was in the same boat. She shared those terrible feelings. She WAS Miles. True she did come out of it. But do you think Miles would have contacted her had he been able to find happiness? I'm doubtful. He was only contacting her now because he HAD to, in order to move on.
I think one of the reasons that Rachel came out of it was she didn't contact Miles?It was such a horrible situation and the only way that she could move on was to grieve and then let it go, close that door and move on. I don't think it was selfish. And when you finally move on from something and have an inkling at what is like to be happy again, sometimes you are just so scared that the previous horrible, awful thing is going to happen all over again... her contacting Miles would have just reminded her of the past.
People cope with things differently too, they didn't talk to each other and so she wouldn't have known that Miles was so hard on himself and holding himself back from being happy again. Maybe she just hoped/assumed that he would have also moved on. Maybe she didn't want to contact him in case HE was finally moving on and she didn't want to stir up any past feelings and interrupt any good things finally happening in the present?
Whoops, I seem to love italics.
I hate how people bashes Tate for having sex with miles. She wanted him and he wanted her. She wanted all of him but he was only willing to give half of himself to her,so she took what she could get at the time.She didn't know he had such a terrible past because miles didn't say shit about his it. Obviously, she would try her luck to see if the guy she felt such a strong connection with would fall for her if she got him to open up to her. She knew that sleeping with him would hurt her, but she liked him and when you really like someone you tend to do stupid things sometimes. I know we all have different standards but I don't think it's right to look down on someone because they choose to have sex with someone with emotional attachment. I know that Tate promised that she wouldn't get her emotions involved but hey miles fell for her too.
I also wanted to add that Racheal was a bitch for believing she was the only one feeling pain for the loss of their son and for blaming Miles. Making him feel like he didn't try hard enough to save the baby when he did his best to save them both. You don't just leave a letter shitting on someone like that and expect them to magically get over it.
Shubha wrote: "In honesty,can Rachel be blamed for Miles not moving on?I don't think so. Was she selfish in the end?Yeah for blaming him. Miles needed therapy not confirmation from Rachel...life is cruel,do not r..."I agree... Also, I think Miles puts her on a pedestal, like she cannot do wrong and maybe as a reader you also expect nothing wrong from her, however she is human, and as humans we are going to make mistakes, it is how we face them that will define us. Rachel fail to understand that her actions have consequences and words can really hurt and change lives. Rachel's words, with or without intention, had repercussions on Miles' life, and whether she meant them or not they had an effect that should be acknowledge.
It is one of the wonderful things about books, you can learn from them, their characters and actions, yeah some people tends to be unreliable, we shouldn't measure our worth or happiness on what others do or say.
Regardless, everybody needs to be concious of their actions, words and how they could impact on others and themselves.
She moved on. That's what she was supposed to do. I feel like if she told Miles she had moved on it would've done more harm than good. He saw her when he was ready to, and I feel like everything was done in due time. He felt that he was at fault, and in the state that he was in, even if she did say something to him, I'm sure it wouldn't have helped much. Judging by her reactions when she did see him, she wanted the best for him all this time, and I'm sure she knew what was best for him was giving them both the time to heal. He just took longer than she did.
Patty wrote: "Through the entire book, I thought Rachel was this sweet girl. But in the end I was completely angry with her for not reaching out to Miles when she found she could live again. By blaming him, she ..."I agree also!! She went on with her life and didn't even so much as try to connect with Miles.
I agree, I think had Miles known, he would have been able to heal better. The argument could be made that it would have hurt him more or not done a thing but he clearly thought he ruined her life forever and was endlessly living as a shell of a man cause of it. I think from the fact that Rachel's husband let Miles in right away was a sign, even he knew, that Rachel had to give Miles some closure.
I might come of as selfish, but i didn’t like Rachel at all from the beginning since I fucking loved Tate dearly!!!!! (although she was stupid and naive to except Miles’ proposal for having no strings attached sex thingy) and i disliked Rachel because her and Miles’ story was from his POV, and let me tell you that I effing love a story from a guy’s perspective and since I love Tate so much, I wanted a bit more of Tate and Mile’s story from his perspective which caused me major angst because it kinda made me feel that Miles loved Rachel more than Tate and honestly Tate deserved to be loved more than Rachel (Ik Rachel is this very sweet girl but i can’t get over how she was able to blame Clayton’s death on Miles, it literally ruined him....gee I am so mad rn) But yeah, Rachel had a very important part in Miles’ life, she was his first young love. But Tate FTW!!!!!! I love her, she is one of my favourite female protagonists.
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I get that she was young, but waiting 6 yrs ... That's just mean.