I need to know these books! No one seems to know?

[Justin]

I'm posting here and there because no one seems to know these two books that I really want to know. Here's most of what I remember about em;

1) Ok, I read this book, might have been a series. I remember being confused as to who the good/bad guys were, it might have just been my young mind though. So anyway, there were two main groups of wizards, and one was like an outcast like group. There was a lot of gate like travel, and the reason why I got confused was because it seemed like the outcasts were the good guys until at some point in the story they might have been revealed to be the bad guys? Make any sense? I cant remember much beyond that, I do know that both groups had titles in a way. Please I hope someone knows this story so I can go back and read it and hopefully not be confused anymore.

2)There was a main char, and heat some point did something that made him immortal, and his best friend was jealous. I believe the main guy could shape shift. There was possibly a queen in it that slept with all the males in her kingdom? AND the best friend ends up throwing the immortal guy into an everlasting well of fire or something at the end. The WHOLE story was twisted and weird though.

I really hope someone can name these books, I haven't found info on these anywhere!

[Jon]

Justin, sorry I don't recognize either of those plots.

However, there is hope (beyond me of course). :) You might also try this GoodReads group:

http://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1...

[Becky]

You could also try Abe's Books Booksleuths... They are very helpful. www.abesbooks.com

[Shannon]

I don't know either sorry, but you could try the GR group What Was the Name of That Book?, or if you're on LiveJournal there's a fantastic group called http://community.livejournal.com/what... that have always found the answer for me.

[Christine]

I think the first might be The Death Gate Cycle. Dragon Wingwas the first one in the series; I think.

[Justin]

No, i have the Death Gate Cycle and LOVE that series. This series was on just a single world. The gates i remember them traveling around through kinda remind me of Robert Jordans gates. I say that loosely since i cant remember a whole lot about this book/s.