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Books are sacrosanct to me too, so I would never be careless with them. But I consider my thoughts to be sacrosanct as well, so I have no qualms writing my thoughts as I read to any book I own. Of course if I don't own it, that's different. I haven't read Adler's essay yet, so I'm curious to see how he recommends scribbling in the margins. I'll discuss some of my methods after I read the essay.

That happens much less often now.But I know that I should have handled those books with more care. But I also think that actually reading a book is just as important as handling it with care like a fragile object.
Manny wrote: "But I consider my thoughts to be sacrosanct as well, so I have no qualms writing my thoughts as I read to any book I own."
That's an important point. What our reaction is to any given text has its own value. This is where the interaction starts, and what Adler calls making the book your own.
That's an important point. What our reaction is to any given text has its own value. This is where the interaction starts, and what Adler calls making the book your own.
Joaquin wrote: "I agree with everyone who says that books should be handled with care. But, to this day, I still have this tendency to flip books around because I get bored easily. That is when the paper starts to get ripped and the cover starts falling off. ."
That may show just how young you are Joaquin. :) It will probably change as you age.
That may show just how young you are Joaquin. :) It will probably change as you age.
Adler does distinguish between books that never should be marked up, such as "unblemished" books, historical editions or "elegantly bound editions", and the ones meant for what I call intellectual consumption. Moving on from here, Adler's definition of "owning" a book is a little different from what we immediately think of.
"Full ownership comes only when you have made it a part of yourself, and the best way to make yourself a part of it is by writing in it."
"Confusion about what it means to own a book leads people to a false reverence for paper, binding, and type - a respect for the physical thing - the craft of the printer rather than the genius of the author."
"The third [owner] has a few books or many - every one of them dog-eared and dipapidated, shaken and loosened by continual use, marked and scribbled in from front to back. (This man owns books.)


I thought this paragraph made a rather interesting point:
A book has a soul that cannot be destroyed? But one should be free to tamper with the body...lol.
But the comparison to a musical score is really interesting. A musical score exists in sort of a metaphysical nether world. The story of a book, the lyricism, the ideas, they too exist separate from the physical book in a metaphysical realm.
But the soul of a book can be separated from its body. A book is more like the score of a piece of music than it is like a painting. No great musician confuses a symphony with the printed sheets of music. Arturo Toscanini reveres Brahms, but Toscanini's score of the C-minor Symphony is so thoroughly marked up that no one but the maestro himself can read it. The reason why a great conductor makes notations on his musical scores—marks them up again and again each time he returns to study them—is the reason why you should mark your books. If your respect for magnificent binding or typography gets in the way, buy yourself a cheap edition and pay your respects to the author.
A book has a soul that cannot be destroyed? But one should be free to tamper with the body...lol.
But the comparison to a musical score is really interesting. A musical score exists in sort of a metaphysical nether world. The story of a book, the lyricism, the ideas, they too exist separate from the physical book in a metaphysical realm.
John wrote: "I don't use Adler's method exactly, but pretty close. I don't do the end notes as much as he does, at least not usually. I have found that the extent of my marking and notes reflects the extent of ..."
Adler would approve :)
I would love to see your Gutierrez book... A couple of years ago I listened to Now You Know Media talks on Oscar Romero and Liberation Theology, both by Dr. Michael Lee of Fordham University, in preparation to a trip to El Salvador. I knew we would be visiting the chapel where he was slain. I found the Romero not bad, but the other, oh boy! Lee repeated exploring theology "in a new way" so many times it made me dizzy. I kept thinking, what new way? The human condition hasn't changed, and what Christ says is. Whether you were oppressed in the Roman Empire or are subsisting on a coffee planatation, what's the difference?
Adler would approve :)
I would love to see your Gutierrez book... A couple of years ago I listened to Now You Know Media talks on Oscar Romero and Liberation Theology, both by Dr. Michael Lee of Fordham University, in preparation to a trip to El Salvador. I knew we would be visiting the chapel where he was slain. I found the Romero not bad, but the other, oh boy! Lee repeated exploring theology "in a new way" so many times it made me dizzy. I kept thinking, what new way? The human condition hasn't changed, and what Christ says is. Whether you were oppressed in the Roman Empire or are subsisting on a coffee planatation, what's the difference?
Manny wrote: "I thought this paragraph made a rather interesting point:
But the soul of a book can be separated from its body. A book is more like the score of a piece of music than it is like a painting. No gr..."
I loved that paragraph!
But the soul of a book can be separated from its body. A book is more like the score of a piece of music than it is like a painting. No gr..."
I loved that paragraph!
I use laminated holy cards as bookmarks. They do double duty for me marking the page, and their long edges make for a great ruler substitute for underlining passages. ...it must be the German in me, wobbly underlining just doesn't look right ;)
I do mark in the margins, less so than underlining, mostly by symbols such as stars, exclamation marks, smiley faces and frowns, and short sentences. Sometimes at the end of a chapter when there is sufficient space I jot down a few thoughts.
I do mark in the margins, less so than underlining, mostly by symbols such as stars, exclamation marks, smiley faces and frowns, and short sentences. Sometimes at the end of a chapter when there is sufficient space I jot down a few thoughts.

But the soul of a book can be separated from its body. A book is more like the score of a piece of music than it is like a painting. No gr..."
This is one of the ideas in Bulgakov's the Master and Margarita, isn't it? That even if you burn a manuscript you haven't destroyed the book itself, its metaphysical existence.

Gutierrez reminds me of that old review "xxx has written a book that is good and new, unfortunately what is good is not new and what is new is not good." The Gospel is there, which is of course good, but then applied through a Marxist materialist anthropology, economics and historicity, which results in nonsense. Nonsense squared or cubed really in the context of Christianity which teaches a fundamentally different anthropology.

But the soul of a book can be separated from its body. A book is more like the score of a piece of music than it is like a p..."
I loved this short essay, Kerstin, thanks for suggesting it. I read several portions of it to my wife.
John wrote: "Manny wrote: "I thought this paragraph made a rather interesting point:
But the soul of a book can be separated from its body. A book is more like the score of a piece of music than it is like a p..."
Is it? The Master and Margarita has been on my reading list but I've never gotten to it.
But the soul of a book can be separated from its body. A book is more like the score of a piece of music than it is like a p..."
Is it? The Master and Margarita has been on my reading list but I've never gotten to it.
Kerstin wrote: "I use laminated holy cards as bookmarks. They do double duty for me marking the page, and their long edges make for a great ruler substitute for underlining passages. ...it must be the German in me..."
Ha, you should see my scribbles. And when I'm in a moving vehicle the lines come out as wavy as a trembling hand. Can you imagine standing in a crowded subway on my way off to college trying to underline while the train is bouncing and rocking...lol.
Ha, you should see my scribbles. And when I'm in a moving vehicle the lines come out as wavy as a trembling hand. Can you imagine standing in a crowded subway on my way off to college trying to underline while the train is bouncing and rocking...lol.

Joaquin wrote: "I just read the essay. I thought it was good. But it did not really speak to me that much. Maybe because I don't really mark my books? Even if there are words there that really impressed me and I w..."
Joaquin, I think you’re still in high school. If you go on to college you’ll be pressed to remember key pieces of information, and so you’ll have to quickly find them in review. Also if you have to write college papers, you’ll want to identify parts that you need to either quote or paraphrase. Now unless you’re one of those like Galicius above who can take notes on paper outside of the book, then you will have a need to write in them. Time will tell. Of course you can only write in books you own.
Joaquin, I think you’re still in high school. If you go on to college you’ll be pressed to remember key pieces of information, and so you’ll have to quickly find them in review. Also if you have to write college papers, you’ll want to identify parts that you need to either quote or paraphrase. Now unless you’re one of those like Galicius above who can take notes on paper outside of the book, then you will have a need to write in them. Time will tell. Of course you can only write in books you own.

Yes, I am still in high school. Unlike some of my classmates, I don't highlight the key points in my textbooks. I have a notebook after all and that is where I put the important pieces of information. But maybe I need to get the habit of marking books already because the last two years of high school in the my country were already made to feel like college. But the last year of high school, I think, is the grade level with a lot of research papers. Thanks for this reminder.
Joaquin wrote: "Manny wrote: "Joaquin wrote: "I just read the essay. I thought it was good. But it did not really speak to me that much. Maybe because I don't really mark my books? Even if there are words there th..."
Whatever technique works best for you. I can see merit to both.
Whatever technique works best for you. I can see merit to both.
Adler’s list of devices was very interesting and perhaps the most important part of the essay. Here’s my response to each one and then I’ll add a few of my own at the bottom.
Absolutely. That’s probably the most important single thing you can do, identify the salient points.
I do this too, but more if a lengthy passage is very important. I do it in lieu of underlining.
I use asterisks too, again to highlight an import section. So what’s the difference between my underlines, vertical lines, or an asterisk? Not much actually. Underlining is more when I think the particular language used by the author is significant.
I don’t really do this, but then I don’t read philosophic works where the building of argument is important. If there are several points I may list them, numbering them.
Yes, I do this too but sparingly. It’s a pain to try to find the page of the previous idea to tie them together. I guess that’s my laziness.
Absolutely. Very important. A circle on top of the print stands out. I also circle dates to orient the passage in time and history.
Yes absolutely. A list of characters at the beginning of the book, an important thought in the margin, a summary of the salient point at the end of a chapter, an asterisk at the beginning of the chapter, what page important thoughts or events are located in the back of the book. I never fold a page tip. I’ll write that page number in the back.
Other things I do:
1. An exclamation mark on the side to highlight a well written or beautiful section. Double exclamation marks for something exceedingly well written.
2. An arc of a line to connect something on the top of the page to something on the bottom.
3. A definition of a word or term that comes up in the writing that I needed to look up.
4. Emotional reaction that I might have to a passage.
5. Question mark on something I don’t understand.
1. Underlining: of major points, of important or forceful statements.
Absolutely. That’s probably the most important single thing you can do, identify the salient points.
2. Vertical lines at the margin: to emphasize a statement already underlined.
I do this too, but more if a lengthy passage is very important. I do it in lieu of underlining.
3. Star, asterisk, or other doo-dad at the margin: to be used sparingly, to emphasize the ten or twenty most important statements in the book. (You may want to fold the bottom corner of each page on which you use such marks. It won't hurt the sturdy paper on which most modern books are printed, and you will be able to take the book off the shelf at any time and, by opening it at the folded corner page, refresh your recollection of the book.)
I use asterisks too, again to highlight an import section. So what’s the difference between my underlines, vertical lines, or an asterisk? Not much actually. Underlining is more when I think the particular language used by the author is significant.
4. Numbers in the margin: to indicate the sequence of points the author makes in developing a single argument.
I don’t really do this, but then I don’t read philosophic works where the building of argument is important. If there are several points I may list them, numbering them.
5. Numbers of other pages in the margin: to indicate where else in the book the author made points relevant to the point marked; to tie up the ideas in a book, which, though they may be separated by many pages, belong together.
Yes, I do this too but sparingly. It’s a pain to try to find the page of the previous idea to tie them together. I guess that’s my laziness.
6. Circling of key words or phrases.
Absolutely. Very important. A circle on top of the print stands out. I also circle dates to orient the passage in time and history.
7. Writing in the margin, or at the top or bottom of the page, for the sake of: recording questions (and perhaps answers) which a passage raised in your mind; reducing a complicated discussion to a simple statement; recording the sequence of major points right through the books. I use the end-papers at the back of the book to make a personal index of the author's points in the order of their appearance.
Yes absolutely. A list of characters at the beginning of the book, an important thought in the margin, a summary of the salient point at the end of a chapter, an asterisk at the beginning of the chapter, what page important thoughts or events are located in the back of the book. I never fold a page tip. I’ll write that page number in the back.
Other things I do:
1. An exclamation mark on the side to highlight a well written or beautiful section. Double exclamation marks for something exceedingly well written.
2. An arc of a line to connect something on the top of the page to something on the bottom.
3. A definition of a word or term that comes up in the writing that I needed to look up.
4. Emotional reaction that I might have to a passage.
5. Question mark on something I don’t understand.
Also, has it been said? I always use pencil, never ink. I live with mechanical pencils either in my shirt pocket (Yes, I'm a geeky engineer) or scattered through the house.
I think one other thing should be pondered. How does marking a book in the new world of ebooks work? You would think it would work the same way but I find it different. Certainly one can tack notes on any given page, and my current Kindle has four colors of highlight to choose from. But still I find it different. I find that I do not scribble little notes as often as when I have a pencil in hand. It tends to be rather tedious to open up the notes page and write a thought. I certainly don’t do it just to put a question mark or an exclamation mark in the margin. I can’t circle an important word or date. I highlight it, which I guess is the same. My previous Kindle only had one color, if it was a color, but now with four colors I have created a hierarchy with the color scheme. That helps. Red would be the most significant and perhaps equivalent to my asterisk in pencil. In the Kindle format I now never list the characters at the beginning or collate motifs at the end of the book. In short it’s is not as detailed as with pencil and paper book.
To me the kindle is pretty much reserved for more leisure reading. Meaning, those books that I don't really delve into and marking up. It is also great for traveling.
The immediacy of a physical book cannot be surpassed. It is also much easier to page back and forth, especially when moderating :)
Part of it is that my ancient kindle 2 is early technology. I prefer the app on my laptop when I want to underline. But still, it is cumbersome. What I often do, especially with public domain books, is download a version so I can copy and paste the text into comment boxes here.
Over the years I've seen many discussions of kindle vs. book, and to me it never was an either/or proposition. More like a both/and, very Catholic, I know :). It is one more tool in your toolbox, so to speak. You pick the right one for the right "job."
The immediacy of a physical book cannot be surpassed. It is also much easier to page back and forth, especially when moderating :)
Part of it is that my ancient kindle 2 is early technology. I prefer the app on my laptop when I want to underline. But still, it is cumbersome. What I often do, especially with public domain books, is download a version so I can copy and paste the text into comment boxes here.
Over the years I've seen many discussions of kindle vs. book, and to me it never was an either/or proposition. More like a both/and, very Catholic, I know :). It is one more tool in your toolbox, so to speak. You pick the right one for the right "job."
Kerstin, the Kindle for me is for Amazon kindle sales...lol. Plus I just don’t have the space in my house for any more physical books. I reserve paper books for more important reads, but I can’t claim I do “ leisure reads. I didn’t see any Kindle sales this Christmas, so maybe there weren’t any but last year Bought the new Kindle edition for only $50. I thought that was a great deal. And all the books on the previous model transferred over. The new model is nicer and easier to navigate.
Yes I also copy and paste off of download versions. But I could never read a whole book off a computer.
Yes I also copy and paste off of download versions. But I could never read a whole book off a computer.

I think there are pluses and minuses. I pretty much only highlight in ebooks, and scribble notes. I read ebooks almost exclusively on my ipad with a keyboard, so writing notes is no big deal. I find I write more notes, perhaps because other means of expressing myself are more limited.
I just read Adler’s biographical entry at Wikipedia and I’m surprised to learn he was a convert to Catholicism. I have read one of his books, though I can’t recall which, so I have known of Adler since I was a young man. I didn’t know he ultimately became Catholic. And I didn't know he was a Thomistic scholar. Well then he fits perfectly in our book club! Here's the Wikipedia entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortime...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortime...

That's funny Leslie. While I write extensively in my books, I never damage them on purpose and take the utmost care. Thanks.

I only recently began marking up books having thought prior to that to mark a book was a cardinal sin. I’ve picked up some great suggestions from both Adler and this discussion. Thank you!
Books mentioned in this topic
The Master and Margarita (other topics)How to Read a Book: The Classic Guide to Intelligent Reading (other topics)
Authors mentioned in this topic
Clifton Fadiman (other topics)Harold Bloom (other topics)
John Senior (other topics)
http://academics.keene.edu/tmendham/d...
What is your thoughts?
Now I must admit that I was taught books were sacrosanct. As a child our grubby hands had to be washed and we were taught turn the page without harming it, food and drink not anywhere close. Writing in them was a mortal sin. Given my father's background of having grown up in communist East Germany where nothing was in the stores to be purchased, the few books he had couldn't be replaced if they were damaged. I still have a handful of his books, and their pristine condition amaze me. Now they are so old, and some of the binding so cheap, they were produced in the 1940s, that I keep them on the "high shelf" so they don't completely fall apart.
How do you approach books?
A little bit about Mortimer Adler. As Manny already said, he was a Liberal Arts professor and instrumental in publishing the 54 - volume set of the Great Books of the Western Canon in 1952.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_B...
He also wrote How to Read a Book: The Classic Guide to Intelligent Reading
There were others who did similar compilations, Clifton Fadiman, Harold Bloom, and John Senior come to mind.