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I didn't watch the Woman in White but I did wonder how period drama actors account for their perfectly nice teeth. The answer is in The Angry Tide. Demelza whitens her teeth with a marshmallow root every day! Who knew? Super Ross is a bit much to take. He's supposed to be about 38 years old-middle aged but he apparently has more lives than a cat!
I have one more comment on this episode: Can't Demelza comb her hair and the children's hair? At least put on a bonnet and one on the girl. In the book she hires Rosina to make bonnets and sun hats for the kids. The choice to make Ross wild makes sense but not the rest of the family. It was more OK when they were living in poverty but now they have enough money to afford servants and enlarge the house so they need to dress like it. Frock Flicks is snarking on the costumes from the first two seasons but they're not into the show enough to be caught up.
Mouth-to-mouth resuscitation at least existed in the 18th century/early 19th century. Who knew? I'm still not sure about heart defect. Stethoscopes weren't invented yet but physicians did know about heart disease. I skimmed the book to see if I could find it without spoilers and I couldn't. If Winston Graham says heart defect then I'll believe he did his research.
QNPoohBear wrote: "I didn't watch the Woman in White but I did wonder how period drama actors account for their perfectly nice teeth. The answer is in The Angry Tide. Demelza whitens her teeth with a marshmallow root..."I looked..........and saw a HUGE spoiler that has nothing to do with Caroline, you're gonna die when it happens! (and it might be htis season)
Looks like it was meant to be heart defect
Well, I also questioned whether Dwight would know about heart defects in this era, and whether he would be able to diagnose such a condition. It was very vague about how he knew. I wondered about the CPR as well...glad it worked, though. Whew.Baby Sarah...how sad for Dwight and Caroline. I was glad that Dwight confided in Ross, and that Ross came to be with them during that dark hour. I agree, QNPoohBear, that the bonding moment was touching and I was glad that Ross was there for Dwight...he could understand the pain. (I also agree that I would prefer to be married to Dwight. Even though I love Ross' character over all, his moodiness/bullheadedness has made me want to shake/smack him a few times.) Caroline's announcement shocked me, although I was afraid that the two of them would be so permanently wounded that it might affect their relationship deeply. It broke my heart when Dwight sent her off with a brave face and then crumpled when she was gone.
Ossie...ugh, yuck, eww, etc. I was so glad when Dwight told him off. For now Mowenna is safe... Wondering how Ossie's little visits with Rowella will end. She's playing him but good, but I have to wonder if she is just as despicable as he is...
Okay, now for George and Elizabeth...
QNPoohBear: everything you said...YES. I thought these same things. If George could make Geoffrey Charles disappear, he would. I think Elizabeth is trying to ignore the way George treats him, as well as everything else unsavory she knows about George. I have a feeling that somehow or another we'll find out that George is unable to father children...thus revealing the true paternity of Valentine. (Which is an awful name, by the way.) And I still think that Adderley is going to make a move on Elizabeth...at some point George's underhanded dealings have got to come back on him in a real way.
Linda: I thought that was a little weird, too, about Ross picking up on Dwight's brooding when Caroline hasn't said a word to him about it other than he's going to spoil the baby. And now I'm very curious about that spoiler...haha.I hate that I missed The Woman in White...I meant to record it.
QNPoohBear: Agreed about Demelza's hair, lol! It's always blowing all over her head. I think it does fit her character's carefree side, but sometimes it looks a little ridiculous. Haha. And does she only have that one green dress?? It's nice but let's see a different one. lol.
I found it! Baby Sarah was born small and according to Demelza, Caroline had a hard time with her when she was small and she [the baby] is still small. By Chapter 6 Ross notices Dwight's brooding and asks what's going on. Dwight at first tries to make light of it saying Caroline calls him an eternal pessimist, but he says that's his job. A child with measles could easily catch pneumonia. Then later he reveals Sarah has a heart defect. He thinks perhaps a murmur or "perforation." A HA so Dwight is slightly ahead of the research- In 1809 the mechanism of heart murmurs was first described and it was discovered just by putting the ear to an ailing patient's chest. At this time, the state of war between England and France is heating up as Gen. Buonaparte takes command of a fleet headed to Egypt or India and Admiral Nelson has recently been knighted so I'm guessing 1798? A+ for research Winston Graham!
George's new slimy friend isn't in the book so far- someone else helps him find a borough for sale but as far as the show goes, I'm fully expected some "free love" vibes from George's sleazy friend. Percy Shelley was into free love but that came later in the romantic period.
I'm continually impressed by how Debbie Horsfield takes the written word and puts it on screen. Most of the dialogue comes from the book, so far. Including the discussion Ross and Demelza have about their marriage and trying to repair it. YET.... there's one key thing she omitted to make Ross appealing to a modern day audience. He says while in London slight possible if anyone wants to read the book later on (view spoiler)
That WAS Vauxhall Gardens where Ross met Geoffrey, who is at Harrow. I wish they had shown more.
Boohoo I have to work really early tomorrow. I'm hoping to have time to watch Poldark after I come home, before I go to my nephew's preschool Halloween parade. One more Monday next week and then I should have time for Sunday TV watching. How many episodes are in this season, anyone know? I'm trying to pace the book so I'm just behind the show.
First, I just love that you're here in the mix with us, Q! :DI think their seasons typically have 8-20 shows.
AHHHH I was ready to kill a co-worker. I told him about Poldark - he likes bad boys and swashbuckling heroes- and he sent me two texts at 9:30 PM when I was in bed trying to sleep and not think about Poldark. Then today he asked me who (view spoiler) I started talking over him as so not to hear.I finished part 1 of the book. Regarding hero Ross... in the book (view spoiler) I skipped ahead a bit to the death of baby Sarah. It's exactly as it appears on the show with the same dialogue.
Episode 5 was tough. Spoilers ahead!
I love London and the fashionable new wardrobes! Now we're getting into the more iconic Regency fashions. Caroline ditched her hedgehog hairdo for a turban and curls. I love that style! Even Demelza in Cornwall has a new dress. It's so pretty but do all of her dresses have to match her hair or eyes?
The debate over the price of wheat will go on and on and on... to 1846! Gee relief to the poor at the expense of the wealthy? Imagine that! I was starting to hear A Christmas Carol in my head :
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
George is Ebenezer Scrooge!
I loved it when Ross decked the guy who challenged Geoffrey Charles but I wanted a duel! Don't tell George Ross helped Elizabeth's son!
Meanwhile back in Cornwall... it is nice to see Drake smile again but I feel bad for Rosina. Between her angry father and her lipsy leg, it's not wonder she's a spinster. She's only a few years younger than Demelza.
Rowella is playing a dangerous game. In the book her thoughts explain her actions. She likes the risk. It's like gambling. Poor Henry! Which leads me to the scene we've all been waiting for! I didn't quite like it though. I was hoping Ossie would get caught in bed down by the wharves sucking the toes of one of his lightskirts. Lady Whitworth is a nightmare and champion eye roller! Poor Morwenna! Her nightmare keeps getting worse and worse. I was afraid Drake would marry Rosina, Ossie would die and Morwenna would pull a Juliet. I was surprised Demelza even told Drake about Ossie's death. She's such a romantic!
So... Mowenna's comment. She's sick, tainted. Does that mean what I think it means? Ossie WAS hanging around by the wharves and those women were probably not the cleanest. AND... if that's the case... Rowella too? Christian Brassington is hoping for happily ever after for Morwenna so if he knows, he isn't telling. Perhaps Morwenna only meant she's tainted with madness or she's damaged goods and can never be a true wife to Drake?
Is Henry going to get caught? George needs to get over his insane jealousy and suspicion of everyone connected to Ross. Get over it. Fight it out in the House and leave it there. George keeps giving Ross and Lord Basset the cut direct. That's worse than fighting in Georgian Society etiquette.
Now I want to plow through the book. It's due Friday but I hope I can renew it.
omigosh, Pooh, you're so into this now, lol!Ossie-that's the spoiler I saw a couple of weeks ago, and was dying to tell you all.
I, too, thought that Morwenna would be freed up, but find that Drake was in love with another, and then do a Juliet.
I missed quite a bit of this one; it was Sunday night, and I was gearing up for work. I have to re-watch it, because I missed Ross's little trick in London, and where Morwenna said she was "tainted".
And Pooh, you missed it--remember how last week you wanted to know why Demelza doesn't have fancy hair like Caroline (besides the fact that she's missing servants who do it for her every morning?) Well, re-watch that scene where she tosses Tom out, and almost punches him! That's why she's got a no-fuss hair style! She's scrappy!
On another note, I've been trying to watch "The Woman in White", but Sundays at 10 is the only time they're playing it, I tend to get stressed out about getting sleep for work, and don't really focus on it. Plus, they are just zoooom!ing right through that book. Last night was only episode 2, and it was time for Laura to do her pneumonia walk on the balcony.
I'm into the show-it's such a soap opera- but I really can't forgive Ross for what he did to Elizabeth. It's even worse in the book. I knew about Ossie too. I skipped ahead in the book enough to see they held a funeral for him. I figured it was only a matter of time. The Poldark Insider PBS interview with Christian Brassington was interesting. He tried to do the voice while not shooting and his real life wife and TV wife both got REALLY upset. He's been very sweet with Ellise, checking to make sure if she's OK after all those horrific abusive scenes. He reveals all about toe sucking too.
I just think Demelza needs to put hats on the children and wear a cap when she goes out in public!
Interesting fact from the book: Ross doesn't know when his birthday is! He can't find a record of it. (Something tells me Valentine won't find a record of his birth either). Ross knows he was christened in late January of '60 but not if he was born in December of '59 or early January of '60.
Another slight departure from the book: Caroline is better at explaining why she wants to leave Dwight and why he can't come. She's leaving for a few MONTHS- not a year! Also, Demelza holds a Christmas party and that's why Verity comes to visit. Captain Blamey and his eldest son James come too. James was wounded in skirmishes but is still alive to romp with the small children. The next day Demelza holds a party for Jeremy's little friends - sadly excluding the unfortunately named Valentine. They wanted to invited GC but thought the invitation would be rebuffed.
One other interesting thing to note: The screenwriter is super careful about which characters take mistresses-aside from Francis and Margaret (briefly) it's only been the unlikable characters. In the book, Ossie considers committing Morwenna to a local house that cares for mad people and hiring a "housekeeper." Dr Behenna, who doesn't appear in the show, has a "housekeeper" and Geoffrey Charles (who is all of 13!) tells Drake in a very blase manner that next term or very soon he shall take a mistress! Drake is horrified.
The books are sooo slow! I have to resist the urge to read it as fast as I normally do.
They did that with the lead character in "The GIrl with the Dragon Tattoo" series, as well. In the films marketed to the US, they basically had him with his colleague (who's married, but it's an open marriage), while Lisbeth pines for him. In the book, he's with Lisbeth, his colleague, AND the woman he's hired to search for. Yeesh.
Geoffrey Charles is suddenly about 15! First Morwenna has been married two and a half years at the beginning of The Angry Tide and now it's been 4 years or so. That makes way more sense age wise but not so much sense because the book takes place from 1798-1799! The recasting decision makes more sense now. Demelza may get to London and then I hope she has new clothes and a new hairstyle. Ross is staying in rented lodgings. The Albany, a swanky bachelor residence, is still a private home for one of the Royal Dukes as of 1799. I doubt Ross wants to be with the fashionable elite or can afford to live there.
About Morwenna's comments to Drake... Debbie Horsfield truncated her speech and changed the meaning. What Morwenna means, in modern language, is that she is a rape survivor with PTSD and can't imagine herself with any man. She hates men. I think the changes may have been deliberate but I guess we'll see. I peeked ahead a bit in the book.
That was a great episode! It wasn't Christmas but almost everyone turned out happy for once. So Elizabeth is with child #3! Will she survive childbirth? She's very old (for the time) to be giving birth. She's pushing 40. The wife of the owner of the mill turned museum where I work died at age 37 in 1812 after giving birth. Of course that was child #9 (in 12 years) and not 3.
I'm confused why they added in Joan Pascoe and her husband St. John, Ross's cousin when they were cut out of the show. If I wasn't reading along with the books, I'd be confused. See also, name dropping Dr. Behenna, who is prominent in the books but not in the show. He delivered Valentine.
Highlights:
Demelza's "It's a Wonderful Life" scheme
Vauxhall! Oh how Georgette Heyer would love to see Vauxhaul- without "Kitty" the harlot. Her Georgian/Regency world is coming to life before our very eyes.
The fashions! Elizabeth and Morwenna look frumpy, Demelza needs a new dress but Caroline's pelisse dress is gorgeous!
Dwight and Caroline! Huzzah! They're so cute together. Horace is adorable looking up at his Mama for direction. They make a nice family.
Demelza in London with Ross. For an actress who has a no nudity clause in her contract, there sure are a lot of naked Demelza scenes.
Next week's preview: A duel at last! I have been waiting the entire show for a proper duel. The injured party chooses the weapon-swords or pistols. Will Ross end up like Alexander Hamilton or Aaron Burr? I think Georgette Heyer would nerd out. It's too bad they wouldn't adapt her stories properly in her lifetime. We need them and we need them on PBS like NOW after Poldark ends.
Low lights:
George conspiring against Ross again and Pascoe's Bank. Can we say Mr. Potter anyone?
Ross meeting mini Ross aka Valentine. It's soooo obvious he's Ross's child and no wonder Elizabeth feels cool towards the poor boy.
Valentine's ill fitting skeleton suit. Poor kid has an awful name and is stuffed into a skeleton suit while cousin Jeremy gets to run around in breeches and a jacket like an adult. Whoever thought skeleton suits were cute?
Morwenna. Oh poor Morwenna! My heart breaks for Morwenna. She won't be able to love her child. She seems to care for John Conan so maybe there's some hope for child #2. Lady Whitworth is a nightmare. Morwenna- now you are a widow so feel free to ignore Lady Whitworth.
Next week's scene PBS won't let me watch- Monk Adderly makes a play for Demelza. She's not stupid, dude and you don't want to mess with Ross's temper. Is that the cause of the duel?
Only TWO more episodes left!
Lol, Pooh, you kill me--"It wasn't Christmas" !I re-watched last week's before this one, and I have to disagree on Demelza's dress, Pooh. In the past, she kept wearing that olive green thing, which slightly washed her out. And Caroline was the one whose makeup and clothes were perfection.
Re-watching last week's, I thought, as she emerged from the office near the mine, I think it was, 'That aqua dress matches her eyes perfectly." It's about time her clothes got the same attention as Caroline's, though they've not half as much money.
I'll probably re-watch this one, too. I've moved my sofa further from my TV, so miss these little details (old TV, about 20". Probably need a high def, lol)
Yay, yay, yay, Demelza goes to London! But why did they leave the kids behind!? Lord knows they'd probably have room at Caroline's.
Glad Caroline went home.
As for Morwenna, I"m not sure, Pooh. I mean, he's dead, but vicars weren't known for being rich.........and until his mother dies, there's no huge inheritance.......so I don't think she can blow off the mother in law so easily, else she would have already.
Morwenna isn't in a fit state to do anything, let alone blow off her mother-in-law. Ossie was bankrolled by George so he did have money but it wasn't his own income. Ossie had money to throw at Rowella.Children didn't usually go to London unless they were of marriageable age or Frederica's little brothers! I'm sure the children would enjoy Astley's Circus and the Tower Menagerie but there wasn't a whole lot of child-centered activity in London in the Georgian era. Children stayed in the nursery, played in the square or park with their nurse or governess. Many of the MPs came alone or not at all. Parliament was something one attended as one wished. MPs could go home and come back to vote on matters they felt important. Cornwall is too far for Ross to go home. In 1799 Parliament sat from 20 Nov. 1798-12 July 1799 and 24 Sept. 1799-29 July 1800. The book takes place from 1798-1799 but the show may be a little farther along. History of Parliament online
I'm not sure Winston Graham's timeline works either.
Regarding last week's episode there's a big difference between the book and the show that the screenwriter had to rewrite for a modern audience. (view spoiler)
I'm going to watch the Amazon UK length versions over the winter if I have time. I heard I have to work this winter. I'm pushing for NOT. I really really hate school children (aside from my two nieces and that's only some of the time) and need some down time.
Oh, something came into my phone, where they were shooting season 5 already.........so I thought it looked innocent enough......First, Pooh will be happy, because Demelza will get a hairdo of sorts (chignon, but that's progress for Pooh) and a green suit that ought to look amazing with her eyes (dark green, not olive). Then, BOOOM! out of nowhere, there was a major spoiler for these last two episodes. Be prepared for an Avenger: Infinity War-type startle, folks!
Demelza's hair looks fine enough in the upcoming episode in London. Chignons are decidedly Victorian not Georgian. I don't think Winston Graham understood fashion. He keeps describing Demelza as wearing a blouse. Um what?! She's the wife of a landowner, albeit a broke one at the moment and though she may not dress in the first stare of fashion, no Georgian woman ever wore a "blouse." The word didn't apply to a woman's garment until 1828 in English. Winston Graham needed to consult Georgette Heyer's library. Too bad she died before this book was published. Heyer and Graham would have made an amazing team.I watched the scene from the next episode. Monk Adderly is such a creep and so transparent. Yes it's true husbands and wives weren't seen together much but Ross doesn't give much care for convention.
The book plays out the banking situation a wee bit differently and actually makes Demelza a stronger character. Ross tells her she's worth all Westminster, which is about the most romantic thing he's ever said to her in the books.
QNPoohBear is mad at Linda. I was up half the night debating whether or not to binge read the book to see if I could figure out the spoiler. At least I will be home Monday so I can watch the show live and not have to wait an extra day or two. I'm going to come home and take a nice late afternoon nap so I can be awake to watch my Sunday shows. I haven't finished last week's Durrells yet but that doesn't matter.
QNPoohBear wrote: "QNPoohBear is mad at Linda. I was up half the night debating whether or not to binge read the book to see if I could figure out the spoiler. At least I will be home Monday so I can watch the show l..."At me!? But I didn't spoil!
Did you read ahead or not!?
Madame, you alone control your impulses! :D
I was so mad that the article didn't mention spoilers. And it was one of those silly UK fanzine-type articles, where they take 40 shots of the same person, and they've barely moved, such that you could put the photos into a flipbook, and watch 10 seconds of realtime movement.
Is anyone planning to watch Jamestown?
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I haven't been watching Jamestown but I may be able to see it on Amazon this winter. Poldark is getting more and more intense. As awful as Morwenna's story is, I appreciate the research and attention to detail that goes into it. People think only about the romantic aspects of the era but not the fact that a woman was legally her husband's property to do whatever he wished with. Ossie's foot fetish aside, what he did to Morwenna is morally repugnant but not uncommon.
As for this week's episode... comments are going in spoiler tags in case Marie comes back
Whew! I'm so tired of Ross's distrust of Demelza. He distrusted her when he thought she had an affair with his friend, the custom officer. SHE has been the long suffering, patient wife watching him make one bad decision after another, including suspicions that he fathered a child with Elizabeth. Demelza is also like the poster woman of the #MeToo movement. In every season she's harassed and pursued by other men. In the book she's subjected to pinchings and squeezings, trading kisses for news with the old roue Sir Hugh Bodrugan.
THAT was not a masked ball! Where are the dominos, the costumes? Yes I know it's TV and we have to see the actors' faces. Anyway, the dresses are gorgeous and Demelza's hair looks passable with the bandeau. However, it just looked a bit off and costumey than realistic but I'll have to see if Frock Flicks tears into it. They don't like the show or the Cornwall costumes.
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I also thought it was strange that Demelza, who's been raised dealing with her brothers and father, fought in the streets, tossed ol' Tom out on his ear just last week, all of a sudden can't see through this guy. Yes, I think that she was slightly flattered by the attention. A pity that it damaged London for her.....imagine what a place of wonder it must have been, when all you'd known was one small town and the country.I thought her fiery red hair all of a sudden looked darker, in that 'do.
Geoffrey Charles--agreed! That was a humdinger....will play into the events of next week.
I'm worried about Morwenna, truly..........
Will probably go and re-watch all episodes, since it's ending soon.
Did Jamestown already start!? I had things on my calendar, but have been so busy...
I would have loved to see Demelza clock Adderley the way she did Ross after his midnight visit to Elizabeth. I don't think Morwenna can survive with such trauma. She's already dead inside. There's no way she'd go around telling people what a monster Ossie was. Fastest way to the madhouse! No one would believe her or care. They'd say "Well didn't you at least try to be a good wife and fulfill your duties? Lie back and think of England! Ladies don't feel emotions. Love. Pleasure. Not for the likes of us." Elizabeth would be unsympathetic. She doesn't enjoy the conjugal side of marriage but yet she does it because she has to. She loves her children and her comfortable life.
Elizabeth is 36 and will be 37 soon. Giving birth at that age at that time was risky.
The costume designers went with romanticized fashion rather than accurate to what people actually wore, according to the latest video.
I'm on edge wondering what's going to happen next and whether I want to see if I want to read on before the made up next season or wait until after that.
Me, too, that's why I feel like it was an inconsistent moment for Demelza.
PBS Insider teases new scene from the season finale. Epic showdown between Ross and George. Ross to George "What is it you want?" George's response certainly must be "To be the leader of the free world or barring that, the great-great grandfather of one."
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Anyway, did this season feel like a bit of a mess to anyone else? I mean it’s been good, but it just feels off a little. They practically waisted three weeks on nothing but Ross wining about parliament, then try to shoehorn the entire Demelza/Monk storyline into one episode. Next week is going to be mostly Elizabeth, but I also know there’s supposed to be more of Drake/Morwenna they haven’t even gotten to. Caroline basically feels like she’s been dropped. Maybe because I watched it all at once, the pacing feels off.
I did think the Demelza thing was inconsistent, too. I mean, I get the position she’s in with dealing with Monk, she just let Ross off the hook like that. She decked him for sleeping with Elizabeth, I’d have bitchslapped him for insinuating I was responsible for my own sexual harassment/assault, when he clearly her upset by monk touching her. I might have shot him myself. I know the books were written in the 1940’s, etc. but I don’t think Ross would have as many fans as he still does if Aiden turner wasn’t hot.
Man,............the insurance companies made Marie say "Bitchslap".......:) Sorry you have to deal with that. We don't really have a choice of companies, but we have that open enrollment period where we have to think about which level of coverage, etc we want. It's one of the moments when I'm happy I've no children-I get to spend whatever to make sure that I can see whichever doctor I need to.You know, I've been watching every week, so haven't noticed it until last night, when I went to re-watch every episode and discovered that I could only watch the last three without a passport. And I see what you're saying. There's a lot to wrap up in one episode, it'll be like a Mexican soap opera. Unless, of course, they have a couple of big things to leave on the edge of a cliff.
I agree with you about how he deserved to be slapped for that, at least he deserved a stronger rebuke than he got. That being said, she did that whole "do we have to throw away the flowers?!" bit; that did not help the situation at all. I felt so sorry for her, because London was probably something that she never imagined she'd see, and some jerk ruined its magic for her. And she got no sympathy from him for it. So at first she seems to accept that he's defended her honor, that he loves her, but then she takes off, insinuating that she's going back to "his" house and "his" children (all of a sudden, they're not hers)...........you're right, it's really inconsistent. I thought her letter saying "We'll see where we end up" was a bit dramatic.
In any case, I'm not sure whether to say, "I want them to act perfectly and heroically, because I read literature to escape", or to say, "Darn! They're complicated, inconsistent, and imperfect, just like we are in real life-well done, you, Graham!"
I'm loving Demelza's hairdo, though, Pooh.
Elizabeth is looking more cross-eyed and ditzy every moment....sorry to speak that way of the .........
Actually Marie, this book was written in 1977! I haven't gotten that far in the book but while Winston Graham was sympathetic to Morwenna, he did let Ross pretty much rape Elizabeth without comment, but now we see the repercussions. Yes this season was a hot mess. It took forever to get to any kind of plot and then the plots were over and done in one. This episode was also a hot mess.OK Demelza, Ross comes home and you fall into his bed and all is well again? Come on! Ross - Too much the pot calling the kettle black. It really really really bothers me how jealous he is of Hugh yet a) he's done nothing to show his wife he loves her in AGES. Remember the sexy silk stockings Ross? Remember the North Star comment at the mine? Of course she feels something for a romantic poet who properly pays court to her in a Byronic sort of way. and b)Yoo hoo Ross... You're in love with stupid Elizabeth who isn't worth 10 of Demelza. Ross should have married Verity. Keep the Poldark name, some money from her dowry and she's know what to expect. In return she gets a home and children. I got the impression that Verity did love him more than a brother from those flashback scenes and episode 1 season 1.
Elizabeth is still determined to mess up everyone's lives including her own. I did not see coming what she did to Morwenna. Why was George so nasty to Morwenna? She did what he told her and married nasty Ossie and now he's dead and she's free of him but dead herself. I don't understand what his anger was all about.
Spoilers for the season finale ahead
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Marie, I feel for you. I got lost in the health exchange website debacle and it was a headache getting it back. I qualify for state medicaid and I can choose which company I want to go with but one dropped the program so I had two choices of the same thing. I just keep sticking with the company my friend works for. She loves the company but hates her job. Good luck getting your insurance back!
As usual the answer to my burning medical question is in the books. A child is easier to deliver at 7 months because of the size and position in the womb. At 8 months the child turns and doesn't often survive premature birth. Ursula "little she bear" Warleggan was born hairless and nearly nailless- Aunt Agatha was right! The quack doctor wasn't exactly a quack but it sounds like his usual trade was giving potions to cause abortions of illegitimate babies for duchesses and princesses and also working for the people of the city, probably preventing poorer women from having too many children. That was my takeaway.I skimmed the end of the book and I actually felt sorry for George. He's not THAT bad in the books. Cary Warleggan is the real villain. George muses on the fact that none of Elizabeth's children look like her. They all look like their fathers. Valentine will look more like "that man who just exited the room [Ross] as he matures." I need to go back and read in more detail but from what I can see, the primary plot and dialogue in the show came right from the book.
The show didn't cover Sam's heartache! Do you wonder what happened to Emma Tregrils? Is she coming back? Can she be saved? It's in the book.
Teaser trailer for season 5 is up. Lots of dramatic moments. I'm avoiding spoilers for now.
QNPoohBear wrote: "Teaser trailer for season 5 is up. Lots of dramatic moments. I'm avoiding spoilers for now."argh! Yes! The first spoilers for season 5 popped p in my phone feed over the weekend. I ignored....
Did you read about the new characters? I really hate jealous maids. The trailer looks dramatic as always.
Nope. I've been avoiding spoilers or trying to.
Linda Abhors the New GR Design wrote: "Nope. I've been avoiding spoilers or trying to."No spoilers, just PBS teasing the new characters with a brief summary of their character and actor resume.
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I saw the trailer, it does look as dramatic as usual. So far all I’ve heard about the basic plot for the series is Ross is still in parliament (obviously) Drake is helping Morwenna begin to deal with her domestic abuse, Dwight thinks they might need to look further into the reason for Elizabeth’s death, and we might get to see human George who’s not entirely an ass.
I actually find George very human and very much a man of his time. That doesn't mean I like him or don't think he's what you described but I do see more nuances to his character than Ozzie, who was just as horrid as they come. I have more sympathy for George in the books. He's not quite as villainous as in the show. Uncle Cary is usually calling the shots behind-the-scenes. Elizabeth died because she didn't follow directions on her medicine given to her by a quack doctor. Apparently women still use that potion to help bring on or ease labor. It's not legal in the U.S. but it is in other parts of the world where natural births are more common. Winston Graham's medical knowledge was incredible. He knew nothing about fashion details. Hence the weird and wacky costumes in the show.
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Ann wrote: "Has anyone been watching the reruns of season four (on PBS) in anticipation of the final season airing soon in the US? I have watched some of the episodes, just to refresh my memory."I thought about it but I can't! The show stresses me out too much. I think Ross has ADHD he makes such poor decisions sometimes and he's so reckless. If I have time, I'll probably go back and watch some of it again. I usually watch the show and read the book and that's enough stress for me. Then it's back to school season and more work.
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I thought the same thing, Q, about the mine scene....."Well, obviously, he has to survive, or we have no show!" But worried about the rest. And yes, I thought that same thing about CPR!
Well, I would have said "consumption", but the part about her head being too big makes me think some sort of brain development issue. So sad.
I actually gasped out loud when she said she was leaving Dwight.
Did anyone stick around for "The Woman in White"? I was super loaded down with corrections, and was hoping that they would re-broadcast it, but sadly, they only re-broadcast it at odd hours, like 2am. :( So I left it on, but was correcting, can't say how much I got out of it.