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Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ ...about GH! Best article I've read about GH. Found by Teresa.

https://happyeverafter.usatoday.com/2...

& the book covers look to be a big improvement!


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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Great article!
Love the collection of Grand Sophy covers linked to in the article! I like almost all of them.


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Mela (melabooks) | 215 comments Mod
❇Critterbee wrote: "Great article!
Love the collection of Grand Sophy covers linked to in the article! I like almost all of them."


I agree. Enjoyable interview. But I can't see the collection of Grand Sophy covers? Could you copy the direct link here?


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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Sure, the link was hidden in the middle of the article, I should have thought about that - Sorry!

To Grand Sophy, Arabella and Frederica past covers

They show a nice selection of all three titles.


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Abigail Bok (regency_reader) As usual, I like the Pan covers the best! At least the artists read the books. The new Sourcebook ones presumably are an attempt to appeal to a younger generation, but they got the dogs all wrong. Where is Ulysses' flyaway ear? And the Baluchstan hound looks like a golden retriever!


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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments True about the dogs, I don't even know who those two on Arabella and Frederica are! Tina looks the most accurate, as Sophy's sweet faced Italian Greyhound friend.

My fav Sophy cover is the Jove, showing her on Salamanca, racing off without being too concerned with the man chasing her on his horse. Lush and conveys her lack of concern with others who disapprove or and try to censure her.

I agree about Arabella's Pan covers - beautiful, and they have the most connection with the actual story.

For Frederica, I love the Bodley Head covers, and the Pan with the balloon in the background.


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QNPoohBear | 1640 comments I saw the new Frederica cover in the < ahref="https://www.basbleu.com/cgi-bin/hazel... Bleu catalog. I am not a huge fan of the new covers. The only one that would say "historical fiction" to me is Frederica. Yes I judge books by the cover. Lady in pretty dress = historical fiction. I liked the 2009 Sourcebook covers with Edwardian era paintings but the paintings seldom depicted anything relative to the story.


Andrea AKA Catsos Person (catsosperson) | 1136 comments PoohBear,

I don’t like these new covers either! They are not an improvement in any regard!

I’m so glad that the titles that I own in hard-copy are the pretty Sourcebooks editions.

A raspberry for these new covers.


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Abigail Bok (regency_reader) I just hope they've done a better proofreading job this time around.


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ Abigail wrote: "I just hope they've done a better proofreading job this time around."

I was thinking that! But some of the proofreading errors go back to the 1970s. :(


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Abigail Bok (regency_reader) It's true, and then the errors grow errors and the corrupt text metastasizes.


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ | 363 comments I have to say the new covers aren’t all that appealing to me. But if they help enlarge Georgette Heyer’s fanbase, it’s all good.


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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments I agree Tadiana, the covers might not be the best, and more editions being published do introduce Georgette Heyer to more readers.

For those new readers who do not have someone that recommends GH to them, this is a gift.


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Mela (melabooks) | 215 comments Mod
❇Critterbee wrote: "Sure, the link was hidden in the middle of the article, I should have thought about that - Sorry!

To Grand Sophy, Arabella and Frederica past covers

They show a nice selection of all three titles."


I have seen that link I just don't see those covers (the collection) :-( I don't understand why. Perhaps I have forgotten about some other blocker on my web browser (I have turned off those I remember). I will try on another computer. Otherwise, I will have to live without it ;-)


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ I'm just happy to see covers that are designed for her books. I'm pretty sure GH would have hated them. One of the GH biographies mentioned she hated the Pan covers.

But I was really surprised to see what I thought was Charity Girl It was a different author but it looked exactly the same - right down to the size of the book.


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Jenny H (jenny_norwich) | 1210 comments Mod
❇Critterbee wrote: "Sure, the link was hidden in the middle of the article, I should have thought about that - Sorry!

To Grand Sophy, Arabella and Frederica past covers

They show a nice selection of all three titles."


I still can't see them! But I get redirected to the EU version of the page, so maybe they aren't on there.


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Jenny H (jenny_norwich) | 1210 comments Mod
Mela wrote: "I have seen that link I just don't see those covers (the collection) :-( I don't understand why."
It will be because you're in the EU, Mela - I can't see them either. We're getting a special EU version of the page.


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Sheila (in LA) (sheila_in_la) | 401 comments Thanks for the link to the article, Carol. I might grow to like those new covers--I remember, very well, the Agatha Christie covers from the 70s, which often featured significant objects from the story, such as a playing card, revolver, or whatnot. Did not realize they are called "Easter eggs."

I created a Pinterest board for my favorite GH covers. I think there are some gems from all periods. I think the Jove covers capture something of the emotional content of the books, which makes them stand out (e.g., the Grand Sophy cover that Critterbee mentioned). I forget the name of the artist at the moment, but he is well-known.


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Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4146 comments Here’s one of the new covers (for those who couldn’t see them): https://www.basbleu.com/cgi-bin/hazel...


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Jan (jan130) Thank you Teresa and Carol for the link. The new covers are very different but I agree that if they bring Heyer to new readers, it's all good.

I generally like the choices they have made for the selection of books to be republished and the order they're releasing them in, although IMO my fav Venetia should be a bit higher up the order LOL.

It's great to see those old covers too.


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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments The Grand Sophy



Sophy Sophy Sophy
**1950 Heinemann**-***1972 Pan Books***-**1972 Pan Books**

Sophy Sophy Sophy
**1976 Berkley**-***1982 Pan Books***-** Year? Pan Books**

Sophy Sophy Sophy
***1983 Jove***-***2003 Harlequin***-***2009 Sourcebooks***

SophySophy
***2013 Arrow***-***2018 Sourcebooks***


Older images, in case the new one above do not show for you:
(view spoiler)


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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Frederica



Frederica Frederica Frederica
*1965 The Bodley Head*-*1965 The Bodley Head*-*1965 Pan Books*

Frederica Frederica Frederica
**1974 Pan Books**-***1980s Pan Books***-**2000 Harlequin**

Frederica Frederica Frederica
*2009 Sourcebooks***-***2013 Arrow***-***2018 Sourcebooks*


Older images, in case the new one above do not show for you:
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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Arabella



Arabella Arabella Arabella
**1949 Heinemann**-**1964 Pan Books**-**1969 Pan Books**

Arabella Arabella Arabella
***1972 Berkley****-****1980 Pan Books****-****1982 Jove***

Arabella Arabella Arabella
*2003 Harlequin***-**2009 Sourcebooks**-***2018 Sourcebooks*


Older images, in case the new one above do not show for you:
(view spoiler)


Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ | 363 comments Surprisingly, I'm rather fond of the Harlequin covers. I do like the Sourcebooks covers but, as others have mentioned, they tend to be rather random ("Oh, here's a nice painting of Regency-era ladies; let's use it!").


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Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ Tadiana ✩Night Owl☽ wrote: "Surprisingly, I'm rather fond of the Harlequin covers. I do like the Sourcebooks covers but, as others have mentioned, they tend to be rather random ("Oh, here's a nice painting of Regency-era ladi..."

Or here's a Georgian era man - lets put it on a Regency cover! (The Quiet Gentleman)


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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Agreed, especially when the hair coloring and attitude doesn't match! When did Sophy look so meek and melancholy as that Sourcebooks edition has her looking? Who is Arabella picnicking with?

Those pics look blurry, let me see if I can make them better.


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Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4146 comments Thank you, Critterbee, for posting them all - so much easier to see them side by side!


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Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4146 comments I always thought these were attractive covers, at least they attempted to portray something of the plot and characters: Black Sheep by Georgette Heyer

I also like the Heinemann covers above, and I think the new covers aren’t bad, if they catch a new reader’s eye and gets Heyer a wider audience, I’m all for it! I agree about the Sourcebooks Sophy cover, though - I have that one and chuckle every time I see the cover -that is so un-Sophylike! Unless she’s looking down to reload her pistol...


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Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4146 comments But I don’t think Sophy would be seen dead in that horrible bonnet - looks like it has oranges on it! The dog looks kind of like the way Tina is described!


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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Susan in NC wrote: "But I don’t think Sophy would be seen dead in that horrible bonnet - looks like it has oranges on it!!"

Indeed, they DO look like oranges! Sophy, having all of her dresses made in Paris, would never balance those globular fruits upon her bonnet!


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Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4146 comments ❇Critterbee wrote: "Susan in NC wrote: "But I don’t think Sophy would be seen dead in that horrible bonnet - looks like it has oranges on it!!"

Indeed, they DO look like oranges! Sophy, having all of her dresses made..."


Thank you!


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Jan (jan130) I've never liked the 2009 Source books covers. Probably my least favs. They seem a little random and also the style of the paintings doesn't appeal to me - overly mushy and sentimental IMO.


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Mela (melabooks) | 215 comments Mod
Jenny wrote: "Mela wrote: "I have seen that link I just don't see those covers (the collection) :-( I don't understand why."
It will be because you're in the EU, Mela - I can't see them either. We're getting a s..."


Good to know that.


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Mela (melabooks) | 215 comments Mod
❇Critterbee wrote: "Arabella"

Thank you ❇Critterbee, you are great!


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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Mela wrote: "❇Critterbee wrote: "Arabella"

Thank you ❇Critterbee, you are great!"


:)


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Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4146 comments Jan130 wrote: "I've never liked the 2009 Source books covers. Probably my least favs. They seem a little random and also the style of the paintings doesn't appeal to me - overly mushy and sentimental IMO."

Mushy, random and sometimes sentimental, thank you, that sums it up very nicely! I like them, but they often don’t make sense relating to the plot.


Andrea AKA Catsos Person (catsosperson) | 1136 comments Critterbee,

Thank you for preparing/curating the exhibit of some covers for some favorite titles!


Susan in Perthshire (susanageofaquarius) | 1448 comments I love the interview and I am impressed that they seemed to have published her responses in full. I haven’t seen any new re-issues of Heyer’s books over here, but although I don’t particularly like he new covers shown in the article - if they get a new audience for her books, it will be worth it!


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Maith | 148 comments ❇Critterbee wrote: "The Grand Sophy



**1950 Heinemann**-***1972 Pan Books***-**1972 Pan Books**

**1976 Berkley**-***1982 Pan Books***-** Year? Pan Books**

I have Arrow versions of some of Heyer's books, TGS among them - published in the 1980s. Will take some pictures tonight and post. They aren't shown on your list above. I also have both 1972 Pan (UK) versions - they were my aunts' and pretty tattered when I got them so I bought the Random house edition when I was in high school.



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Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Nice! It is always nice to see different covers. The ones posted above are taken directly from the USA Today story.


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Jenny H (jenny_norwich) | 1210 comments Mod
Thanks for posting those! I was feeling so left out! I think the original hardback covers are the best (Heinemann & Bodley Head) - they have very much a period feel to them. Otherwise it's the 60s/70s Pan ones, though they do tend to give their ladies rather 60s faces (and sometimes hairstyles). I mostly hated the 80s Pan ones - they made their cover girls look so plain (though the one for Civil Contract worked well for that very reason). You'd never guess that one of the ladies on the cover of that edition of Frederica was meant to be a ravishing drop-dead beauty! And why on earth are they carrying fans to walk the dog?


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Jenny H (jenny_norwich) | 1210 comments Mod
Jan130 wrote: "I've never liked the 2009 Source books covers. Probably my least favs. They seem a little random and also the style of the paintings doesn't appeal to me - overly mushy and sentimental IMO."
Just what I thought - they look very Edwardian, too, and nothing to do with the actual books. Any one of them could stand in for any of the others.


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Jenny H (jenny_norwich) | 1210 comments Mod
❇Critterbee wrote: "The Grand Sophy ...

Interesting that Pan obviously demanded some tweaks in their cover illustration for this - the earliest version of Sophy goading Charles with the monkey on her shoulder has clearly been revised to give her the right hair colour and a more stylish dress!

The illustrator of the 2013 Arrows clearly has no idea about Regency dress - and Sophy looks as though she's sitting on a mule rather than a spirited steed that everybody admires.


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Sheila (in LA) (sheila_in_la) | 401 comments These Old Shades and Devil's Cub have been released by Sourcebooks with the "new" covers:

https://www.therippedbodicela.com/boo...

https://www.therippedbodicela.com/boo...


Andrea AKA Catsos Person (catsosperson) | 1136 comments Sheila (in LA) wrote: "These Old Shades and Devil's Cub have been released by Sourcebooks with the "new" covers:

https://www.therippedbodicela.com/boo...

https://www.therippedbodicela.com/boo..."



Very nice!

I like the mask on the DC cover!


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Jenny Hambly | 37 comments I think both book covers are a little light-weight for these two stories.


Hilary (A Wytch's Book Review) (knyttwytch) Hmm they are hardly going to jump out at new readers on the bookshelves!


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QNPoohBear | 1640 comments Jenny wrote: "I think both book covers are a little light-weight for these two stories."

That's what I was thinking. Pretty covers but a little too pretty for the stories. TOS is slightly better, giving a sense of the time period anyway.


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