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But this list is so infested with books that don't belong, removing a single book won't change much. There's even Erotica on there, maybe good for reluctant readers, but hardly for children. This is what happens when author-review-circles are given completely free rein ...
Well, it may not be ideal, but that's what librarians are here for (among other things). If you see more books on that list (or any other) that don't belong, you can always post a request in the librarian's group to have them removed from a list.
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...Please remove @75 "My Sister's Keeper" by L.P. Hartley which was published in 1970.
Fjóla wrote: "But this list is so infested with books that don't belong, removing a single book won't change much."Matter is, they all do belong; it`s just that Tastes Differ...
What I find grossly unfair is non-fiction books eliminated.
Dodo wrote: "Matter is, they all do belong; it`s just that Tastes Differ...What I find grossly unfair is non-fiction books eliminated. "
I beg to differ. Some people create topical lists in the hope that they be useful for somebody. But if 'any book belongs on any list' why would they go through that trouble. Whether a book is a picture book or not is not a matter of taste, if it doesn't contain pictures it can't possibly be a picture book. Books qualifying for a literary award need to satisfy specific criteria. I understand 'reluctant reader' to be an educational term with a specific meaning. In that sense, a non-fiction book on Cancer aimed at adults is not going to be helpful to an 8 year old who is struggling with reading, and thus does not belong on a list serving that purpose.
I agree with Fjóla. "Reluctant Reader" is a very specific parameter for a listopia. It's not a "taste" issue nor is it unfair to remove a book above reading comprehension levels or outside subjects/themes/genres educators using that "Reluctant Reader" phrasing normally recommend. Grim subjects like cancer (versus morbid humor or even some horror subjects) books generally are not considered as encouraging reluctant readers; some teen-appeal celebrity memoir could be even if for a cancer survivor.
Most nonfiction is seen as more homework/schoolwork versus interesting them in reading unless an individual reluctant reader specifically says they want to read up on a particular topic—at which point most educators, librarians and parents move heaven and earth to find books on that topic without needing a listopia—(this listopia does not mention a specific individual).
Anyone is free to start their own listopias, even ones that might be for "non- fiction for reluctant readers" or even "erotica for reluctant readers." (I'm now flashing on Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell in Overboard).
Maybe "Best Books for Reluctant Reader" should be changed to "Best Books for Young Reluctant Reader" to make the targeted age group more clear. I know it is in the description but having it in the title too wouldn't hurt.Other than that I agree with Fjóla and D.A.-bully victims suffer more than a ★ on their commercial product.
But... but... many a non-fiction book is better and more interesting than many a fiction book... It depends!
Dodo wrote: "But... but... many a non-fiction book is better and more interesting than many a fiction book... It depends!"Not arguing for or against that. No one on this thread was saying nonfiction books had to be removed from relevant Listopias or rating their quality -- just that two books didn't belong on one listopia and another book did not belong in a second Listopia.
Listopia creators do get to set whatever parameters they want for their listopias.
I'm not sure what you are asking librarians to do; they can't even categorize a book as fiction or non-fiction genre -- just correct book data and listopia spam.
Feel free to create your own listopias for fiction and/or non-fiction books and set whatever parameters you like.
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/2...Could you remove #217 - Brokeback Mountain by Annie Proulx? It does not fit the parameters of the list.
Much thanks!
Back to Reluctant Readers.https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/4...
I removed some painfully obvious ones (nonfiction for adults, The Secret History...)
I suspect these are out of place too.
The Godfather
p. 3
Fight Club
p. 4
Native Son
p. 4
The Wasp Factory
p. 6
A Clockwork Orange
p. 7
The Great Gatsby
p. 7
Dodo wrote: "Matter is, they all do belong; it`s just that Tastes Differ..."Looking at that list it's clearly aimed at collecting Children's Books, regardless what we may think of the term "reluctant reader" encompassing or which books one thinks to draw a reader in, that is a clear guideline which should be respected.
And as such I can't see the contested two books belonging (and certainly not "The Godfather" :D).
The Godfather, Fight Club and A Clockwork Orange are definitely not for children. Can't say anything about the other.
Lori wrote: "https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/2...Could you remove #217 - Brokeback Mountain by Annie Proulx? It does not fit the parameters of the list.
Much thanks!"
Will do.
Thank you again for removing those books.
Is a reluctant reader always a child? Or could it be a highschooler? Yes, Godfather is violent (I assume - I only saw the movie...), but maybe it's written in a simple enough style that it would get a "reluctant reader" to read.I thought books for reluctant readers were not just to do with content, but also reading level and style.
I think adults can be “reluctant readers” for sure, but I suspect the term is typically used for school age children. I mean, getting practice reading is pretty vital for a child’s success at school, not to mention their brain development. Whereas there might not be the same urgency to change the habit of an adult who doesn’t care for reading, and any particular book is unlikely to make a great difference there anyway. But I would think the bottom line was to try to stick to what the list creator intended, so if the list description refers to “youngsters” then surely it’s for children, right?
I guess a "youngster" could be anywhere from toddler to age 17-18. I'm definitely not suggesting a reluctant reader would be an adult, but I don't know when the category stops. 8th grade? Or can you be an 11th grade reluctant reader?
I would think a book for a high school reluctant reader would have to avoid any whiff of the scholarly, so Great Gatsby would be out.
Lobstergirl wrote: "I guess a "youngster" could be anywhere from toddler to age 17-18. I'm definitely not suggesting a reluctant reader would be an adult, but I don't know when the category stops. 8th grade? Or c..."
I would probably refer to an educator here. But common sense never hurts either, does it? I mean, if the use of common sense was allowed for curating listopia ...
Oh, I often use common sense in curating listopias. Otherwise they would all be complete and utter garbage.
After all, Emily did say that Goodreads wants to maintain the "integrity" of listopias. If you allow everything to stay on them that gets voted on, there really is no integrity whatsoever.
Please remove Neurology: The Amazing Central Nervous System
Chemistry: The Atom and Elements
Cellular Biology: Organelles, Structure, Function
from the list "Great Bedtime Read-Alouds"
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...
as I do not believe a child wants to hear about these subjects at bedtime.
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https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...Please remove Enter The Drama from this list as it is a best covers list and the book has no cover.
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Fame Place (other topics)Neurology: The Amazing Central Nervous System (other topics)
Chemistry: The Atom and Elements (other topics)
Cellular Biology: Organelles, Structure, Function (other topics)
The Godfather (other topics)
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https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/4...
Amazon does not have either classified as Children's or YA,
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