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The undeniable FACT is I started the thread with the 2 questions that remain the 1st thing on this thread...
How sadly arrogant
That was interesting.Robert, if you show us your love, or patience, or relationship with our Saviour Jesus: you might actually Win one of the arguments someday. Cheers!
She's correct: your first post only has 2 statements- zero questions. Wonderful statements we all accept.
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Wonderful statements we all accept."
My response: You are a MODERATOR and DON'T even know how posts work???
UNBELIEVABLE! She is NOT correct and ANYONE HONEST enough to scroll to the top of this page will SEE what I started this thread with... the top of this page says this...
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Rod, are you honestly telling me that YOU and Alexandra KNOW BETTER than I do what I started this thread with????
Are you honestly telling everyone who reads this, that the very first thing we see at the top of this page is not...
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Really???????
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My response: You won't offer any apologies due to your self-righteous arrogance.
What does message #37 have to do with how I STARTED THIS THREAD?
My BEGINNING of this thread is EXACTLY THIS (copied from the top of this web page)…
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Robert, I think the issue is the topical heading, which is, in fact, posed as questions, but the 1st post lists statements, not questions. It was a bit confusing. I, among others it seems, looked at the post, not the heading.Let's all try to be more understanding.
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My response: Thanks Tyrone. When I started the thread... it was with TWO questions .
My first post AFTER starting the thread was TWO Bible verses that are statements answering the INITIAL QUESTIONS that I started with.
I do sincerely thank you for recognizing the potential issue and NOT calling me a liar about it.
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John 12:32 - "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME ."
Titus 2:11 - "For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men ,"
Romans 10:13 - "For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved ."
Romans 1:16 - "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ : for it is the POWER of God unto SALVATION to EVERY ONE that BELIEVETH ; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 12:3- "...but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to EVERY MAN the measure of FAITH ."
Colossians 1:20 - "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to RECONCILE ALL THINGS unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things IN EARTH , or things IN HEAVEN ."
1 John 2:2 - "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and NOT FOR OURS ONLY, but ALSO for the SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD ."
Romans 11:32 - "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have MERCY UPON ALL ."
2 Corinthians 5:19 - "To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF , not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
John 1:29 - "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which TAKETH AWAY the SIN OF THE WORLD ."
MarK 16:15 - "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE ."
1 Timothy 2:4 - "Who WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED , and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
2 Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance ."
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My response: The actual content of my posts STARTED when I initiated this thread, with TWO questions
Which were followed by TWO Bible quote statements (which were answers to the two beginning questions.)
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My response: How could I have failed to provide information? This thread would NOT EXIST if I did not START IT with the information that you claim I failed to provide?????
You are so caught up in your own word game. ALL - does not necessarily mean ALL or absolutely Everyone. The Bible was not written in English originally. Are there not examples in the O.T. Of ALL Not including everyone or everything? Haven't you checked? Be honest now.
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Are there not examples in the O.T. Of ALL ..."
My response: It is NOT a WORD GAME when you and others are so arrogant as to insinuate that I am LYING and don't even KNOW what I wrote to start this thread.
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Are there not examples in the O.T. Of ALL ..."
My response: It is also NOT a word game when I QUOTE the Word of God. His Word is NOT a game to me... it is what Jesus tells us that we MUST LIVE BY.
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My response: Are you a Greek scholar? Why would I REJECT 100% unanimous agreement of ALL Bible translation scholars... and embrace your opinion?
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For example:
Romans 11:32 - "For God hath concluded them ALL IN UNBELIEF , that he might have MERCY UPON ALL ."
Most likely you eisegetically say that the "ALL" in unbelief actually means "ALL"... while at the same time saying the "ALL" in mercy does NOT mean "ALL".
Rod wrote: "Are there not examples in the O.T. Of ALL Not including everyone or everything? Haven't you checked? Be honest nowWell, we know Robert doesn't put much stock in what the OT says. It's also become very obvious to me that Robert has a serious issue with reading comprehension (which he continues to demonstrate). And I think asking him to be honest is like asking the Pope to renounce Catholicism ;)
But I applaud your effort to continue to try :D
Alexandra wrote: "Rod wrote: "Are there not examples in the O.T. Of ALL Not including everyone or everything? Haven't you checked? Be honest nowWell, we know Robert doesn't put much stock in what the OT says. It's..."
Of course I could be wrong, but I think you have your Roberts mixed up. Robert C is the one with the Old Testament. I think Robert D is ok with it :)
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My response: Reading comprehension???
Uh, you were the one who insinuated repeatedly that I was lying when I told you what I initiated this thread with.
Rather than simply apologize and admit your error.
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My response: Thanks Tyrone... I love the OT... the NT... I believe Jesus when He tells us we must...
Matthew 4:4 - "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God ."
Tyrone wrote: "Of course I could be wrong, but I think you have your Roberts mixed up. Robert C is the one with the Old Testament. I think Robert D is ok with it :)"Gotcha, thank you! I stand corrected :D I do sometimes get them mixed up, there are so many other similarities lol.
Robert wrote: "Uh, you were the one who insinuated repeatedly that I was lying when I told you what I initiated this thread with."
I did admit my error, and stated why I wasn't going to apologize, and that under other circumstances I would have.
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Hence another demonstration of your reading comprehension issue.
Back to Ignore you go.
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My response: No problem. I would not expect an apology from someone as self-absorbed as you.
By way of reminder, here is an example of the things you said about me... all the while YOU WERE WRONG... (nothing to apologize for here...)
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Alexandra said - Message 147 - "So, yet again we see, you either have serious problems with the English language, or can't remember what's been said, or you're simply a liar who plays games to serve his agenda."
Robert wrote: "By way of reminder, here is an example of the things you said about me... all the while YOU WERE WRONG... (nothing to apologize for here...)__________
Alexandra said - Message 147 - "So, yet again we see, you either have serious problems with the English language, or can't remember what's been said, or you're simply a liar who plays games to serve his agenda."
Nope, nothing to apologize there, because it's demonstrably true.
I would have been inclined to apologize for my missing the questions you posted as the thread title, rather than in the post under different circumstances, as I already explained.
"I might be inclined to offer you an apology if it weren't for the fact that in Message 37 it was made clear to you I was going off the actual content of your post:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
And #48: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
And considering the fact that typically people ask their questions there, I wasn't aware you were referring to your thread title. And the fact that although this was made clear to you, twice, you failed to nicely provide that information, but it took you until message 148 to do it, and not nicely.
Which again demonstrates exactly what I've been saying. Getting a clear, calm, reasoned, answer or explanation from you seems beyond your ability, even regarding so simple a thing."
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
I'm sure you won't be able to resist responding, no doubt with further insults and false accusations, but I won't bother reading it. I'm not in the mood for this pointless endeavor.
Well, I guess this just establishes that Robert is indeed a stubborn donkey...
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My response: Thanks for your OPINION.
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My response: What POMPOUS ARROGANCE... you repeatedly called me a liar... about that which was the TRUTH.
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My response: False accusations????
TRUTH - you called me a liar
TRUTH - I was telling the TRUTH about what you insisted I was lying about
TRUTH - you were proven WRONG
TRUTH - you insist that you calling me a liar is JUSTIFIED
TRUTH - Exodus 20:16 - " Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor ."
TRUTH - 1 John 3:4 - "... for sin is the transgression of the law ."
Let’s just say the harder you struggle and the louder you scream, the better Alexandra looks...
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My response: So your faith in Jesus allows you to embrace and endorse her LYING about me?
Robert wrote: "TRUTH - Exodus 20:16 - " Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor ."TRUTH - 1 John 3:4 - "... for sin is the transgression of the law ." "
This broke my irony meter. ;)
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By the way I thought you were not going to read my comments?
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Questions:
1) How many people are in unbelief?
2) How many people might God have mercy upon?
3) Does "all" mean "all"? Or does "all" only mean "some"?
Robert, who is the ALL in Romans 11?You did look didn't you?
25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Who is the letter of Romans addressed to?
Rod wrote: "Robert, who is the ALL in Romans 11?You did look didn't you?
25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, un..."
Robert really, really hates context, language, and letting the Bible interpret the Bible. ;)
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My response: This coming from someone who repeatedly called me a LIAR... was proven WRONG... and was too arrogant to apologize...
Talk about "context"
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My response: ALL of the Bible is written TO Christians... who is it written ABOUT, is the questions...
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Romans 11:31-32
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through YOUR mercy THEY also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded THEM ALL in unbelief, that he might have MERCY UPON ALL.
CONTEXT IS KING!
I don't know if you're a liar? More likely a really lazy biased blind opinionated bully of a pseudo scholar. You're likely to start your own cult. Similar to the J.W.'s... not allowing anyone to think differently than you.
Romans 18 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed in all the world.
Was their faith proclaimed in ALL the world at that time? No. To this day- every inch? Not likely. So is ALL requiring some context and thought? According to Robert: never.
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You're likely to start your own cult. Similar to the J.W.'s... not allowing anyone to t..."
My response: This describes you to a tee... that is usually what liberals do... they project what they are onto others.
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Romans 11:32 - "For God hath concluded them ALL IN UNBELIEF , that he might have MERCY UPON ALL ."
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Questions:
1) How many people are in unbelief?
2) How many people might God have mercy upon?
3) Does "all" mean "all"? Or does "all" only mean "some"?
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My response: Rod, are YOU in unbelief?
Romans 11:32 - "For God hath concluded them ALL IN UNBELIEF , that he might have MERCY UPON ALL ."
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
And #48: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
And considering the fact that typically people ask their questions there, I wasn't aware you were referring to your thread title. And the fact that although this was made clear to you, twice, you failed to nicely provide that information, but it took you until message 148 to do it, and not nicely.
Which again demonstrates exactly what I've been saying. Getting a clear, calm, reasoned, answer or explanation from you seems beyond your ability, even regarding so simple a thing.
You're nothing if not totally predictable.
And no, don't bother repeating your orders, I've already addressed the issue of your "questions" multiple times.
Here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
and here:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
That you can't comprehend that is your problem, not mine.
Chad also addressed that issue quite well here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
and here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
and here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
and here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
As I've said, I'm done giving you my time and attention, and won't respond further.