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message 1: by Jim (new)

Jim (jimliedeka) I can't believe I just heard about this as they started republishing books a few years ago. These aren't really alternative thinking books. They are books that are in some way threatening to people in power and therefore have been marginalized.

I've only read one book of the twenty-three listed but I expect to read more.


message 2: by B. (new)

B. | 246 comments Interesting stuff...cool post

message 3: by Guido (new)

Guido Colacci Absolute list of MUST READ BOOKS, for those that are not afraid to learn the real truth.

message 4: by Angela (new)

Angela (anbald) | 9 comments Thanks, I just updated my to read list.

message 5: by David (new)

David Elkin | 508 comments I am not convinced that these books are the end all and be all. Here is a take on Mr. Stone.

I am not saying all the books are bad, or wrong. Just reminder we all have an agenda.

Website: https://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/bo...

But Stone’s career does have its oddities, and, by unhappy coincidence, one of those oddities bears on that same vexed question of journalism and lunch. MacPherson reminds us that in 1992, three years after Stone’s death, a high officer of the former Soviet Union’s former spy service, the K.G.B., revealed that from time to time in the 1960’s, Stone did accept luncheon invitations, and the K.G.B. picked up the tab. The K.G.B. agent was Oleg Kalugin, and, in recalling those lunches, he left the impression that Stone might have been a Soviet operative. Stone’s enemies in the United States, in a delirium of joy, responded to Kalugin’s remarks by leveling some very serious posthumous accusations at Stone, and they have kept on doing so, as anyone could have predicted.

Another book mentioned is The Lords of Creation.

It was written in 1935! The story of the immense financial and corporate expansion which occurred in the United States between the depression of the 1890's and the crisis of the 1930's, with an analysis of the leaders and the forces that brought boom and bust.

Does this mean the book is bad, or wrong no. But we need to look at the list with clear vision, not conspiracy rose colored glasses.

message 6: by James, Group Founder (last edited May 27, 2018 11:55AM) (new)

James Morcan | 11373 comments David wrote: "I am not convinced that these books are the end all and be all. Here is a take on Mr. Stone.

I am not saying all the books are bad, or wrong. Just reminder we all have an agenda.

Website: https:..."

I gotta agree, David - some of those titles seem to be more forgotten or overlooked rather than forbidden. Unless I'm missing something, forbidden implies censored or blacklisted or blocked from getting published/republished. But I guess if you take a loose definition meaning "forbidden information", then it might make sense. And quite a few other titles outside of this list but on the same subjects have been bestsellers, of course...

There does look to be some strong titles on there, however, so I may check out one or two of them. Thanks for posting Jim.

message 7: by Herman (new)

Herman It's hard to believe that anyone would be so upset about a book as to have it banned in the first place. Of course that is from a 2018 perspective it was very different in early era's but really not enough people read books anymore to make any difference one way or another to any particular topic or social issue. Power doesn't respect knowledge because it doesn't fear it any more, it controls the internet and corporate media; so write, on nothing anyone could write or publish could in anyway change the nature of things books do not have that sort of power anymore.

message 8: by David (new)

David Elkin | 508 comments See book burning. Power still fears knowledge hence the blocking of the internet in many countries. Religion is even worse with the fear of knowledge. I disagree completely with "Power" not fearing knowledge. How did the USSR do in 1989? Words still change the world.

message 9: by James, Group Founder (new)

James Morcan | 11373 comments Agree Dave. The Nazis banned a lot of books as did Maoist China and the USSR, as you point out. More recent examples are current day China (at least anything that criticises their regime), Muslim countries re religiously sensitive material, Thailand (any books that mock the King) and especially North Korea. There could be a real forbidden bookshelf formed from those nations that'd be a mile long.

Obviously America is the antithesis of these nations - hell, look how many people openly mock each President.

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